This is actually very good I've seen, it shows that there is both ways for Scotland to be independent and be prosperous, yet it also lines the fact that there will be issues and problems that will need to be managed.
Nobody's mentioning that Scotland holds the nuclear weapons storage for uk. So if they do become independent, England must find another holding facility or pay Scotland money to continue.
Maybe, because they know it's irrelevant, unlike you. There are plenty of other suitable locations in the rest of the UK. Defence of the UK is responsible for thousands of well paid, high skill jobs in Scotland. In fact, they were located there, to aid the Scottish economy. With independence, Scotland can kiss all this goodbye.
Why should everyone put up with Westminster wants, if they are serious move it to the THAMES, endangering the lives of Scotland, and places this explosive muck is driven through> TOP TABLE NONSENSE FROM THE WESTMINSTER EMPIRE RE-BUILDERS
One thing that gets me, people say Scotland would be too poor and run a deficit so can't afford things, has anyone looked at the UK borrowing for the last 50 years? Westminster borrows beyond its means every year which is fine but Scotland doing so even temporarily is not acceptable?
Scotland doesn’t run a deficit, it also has no debt. By Law Scotland has to have a balanced budget every year. Any deficit attributed to Scotland (and indeed Wales ad NI), is a portion of the deficit run up by the Westminster Government. The UK debt ( currently heading north of £2.3TRILLION), is entirely the responsibility of the UK Government.
@@tamkofta151 yes I'm aware of how it works, my point being that people use that arguement as a some sort of massive barrier to Scotland operating independently when in reality every country uses borrowing to smooth out spending or when putting money into large scale projects especially in infrastructure and defence. The main difference being that the UK runs so much debt it now spends over £40Bil per year on just the interest alone, it's now in a cycle of repaying the minimum and borrowing more despite austerity measures. The debate about debt share and fixed assets is one for another day, nobody knows how that situation would work out with pensions, military equipment and financial reserves along with debt as that would be subject to negotiation.
Scotland wants Independence 1. Make the creation of a Scottish central bank with currency issuing and interest rate setting powers 2. Devise a EFTA membership, whilst it considers whether to applies for EU membership 3. A Border policy to deal with the rump UK, devise a common travel area accord with the UK so travel is unaffected..
It is abundantly clear that Scotland DOES NOT WANT INDEPENDENCE. Only the disastrous SnPee keep banging on about it to try and deflect attention from their disastrous record in government.
The best method for us to get independence. Nicola sturgeon seriously needs to say stuff to do with the EFTA and a scottish bank soon to gain some trust in her method to getting us out of the UK
Scotland could peg its currency to the Norwegian currency. That's how Brunei, a tiny tweeny country, pegs its currency to Singapore dollar. It's an oil producer and it is able to sustain its currency sovereignty. Both countries prospered and are still doing well.
There are pros and cons to Scottish independence. But it’s becoming more clear that there are certainly more pros than there are cons. There will be some pain. That pain will be magnified enormously by the English Conservatives in their print and broadcast media. But whatever small amount of pain is experienced or perceived initially, it’ll disappear quickly and Scotland will thrive and be a successful and prosperous independent Nation. There is no doubt about that.
@@danpictish5457 What's it like talking to yourself all the time? They say that it's the first sign of insanity. Scots Gaelic is spoken by about 1% of the Scottish population. So to ninety-nine out of one hundred, it might as well be a foreign language. You could throw millions of pounds, trying to make it the majority language. However, that too would be doomed to failure, because nobody's interested. The same thing still happens in Japan, where they spend millions every year, teaching all children English, but still only a few percent can speak it. At least in Wales, 20% of the population can speak their own language.
@@sandgrownun66 My culture is over 6000 years old. Language =People and it sounds as though you are trying to get rid of us! The English have being trying for years. You don't know and you are very rude!
@@danpictish5457 Which culture is over six thousand years old? I'm not getting rid of anybody. The process has been going on a long time. It's called being conquered. It happens when a larger force meets a smaller one, and the smaller one is subjugated. It's happened many times through history. Geography and serendipity are important factors too. England was invaded latterly by the Normans, and it's people were subjugated for several centuries. However, they regained their position, as the authority in their own country. The English language also replacing French and Latin as the Lingua Franca. The truth is never rude. It also never takes sides.
Always concerning when an argument is made with clearly 'edited' bits of discussions. What was said in the edited out bits? We can all support our argument if we cherry pick the right bits of a debate.
62 countries have gained their independence from Westminster for example the Republic of Ireland, Canada, Australia and New Zealand etc. Many other countries around the world have gained their independence for example Norway from Sweden, Czech Republic and Slovakia etc. They all have a currency, defence forces and trade with other countries etc. Being an independent country is normal. Being a country like Scotland controlled by a neighbouring country is abnormal.
Scotland is very rich land , many resources , many island scotland and tourism beautiful land , oild , whisky, very curative to do something , scotland want to stay together wit EU , welcome scotland to open diplomatic with ASEAN and other country ,
The currency issue was the weak link during 2014. All future action has to involve clarity on the currency, and it's not difficult for Scotland to set up its own, without heavy debts, such as England's 3 Trillion National Debt... more than half of which accumulated by the Tories in the past decade. The Common Weal have a few free ebooks covering all of this.
If Scotland became independant, it would not automatically, nor directly, be accepted into the EU; There is a test period for their own independence, just like any other member state, that needs to be assessed before that even becomes an option. I think it was like 3 years or so, but I could be wrong. It's not as if the moment it left the UK, the EU would automatically take over the benefits it enjoys from the UK right now (such as they are).
SURELY AFTER 50 years. They KNOW and trust us? It was England that wanted to leave!. WHAT U.K.BENEFITS CANNON FODDER FOR THEIR FORCES, RESOURCES AN GOODS, LOW PENSIONS, HIGH PRICES,FRACKING, ENGLISH WHISKY(THAMES WATER??)TAKING OVER OUR SPACE PROGAM, POLLUTING OUR FISH WITH NUCLEAR. TRASHING OUR LANGUAGE AND CULTURE!! OUR ENERGY, OUR INVENTIONS!
The English voted themselves into third country status, way to go England. The Scots with their oil, young population, and fear of debt would stand them in stead if they voted to become independent. The bigger problem is would England allow the vote. If Scotland leaves then Northern Ireland would not be far behind.
The question I have is what to do with the border with England. England is Scotland's largest trading partner. If Scotland rejoins Europe will it require border guards, etc. I am for Scotland's independence but lest get all the facts worked out. No SNP hype.
"England is Scotland's largest trading partner" - yes, but the EU is a market with more potential. If Scotland became independent and re-joined the EU, its trading patterns would change quite quickly - as is presently being seen in Northern Ireland. Also, there would not need to be border guards - the movement of people would almost certainly remain unchanged as both Scotland and England (along with Ireland) are members of the Common Travel Area. There may be customs checks and paperwork at the border which may cause delays in trade, but won't stop it. And remember, the EU and UK have signed a free trade deal so these delays would be no worse than being experienced in Belfast and Larne today.
Facts? Are you asking for snp to tell you what future policies and spending will be in an unknown time from an unknown government? What exactly do you mean all the facts?
Westminster just put up 27 borders, they decided to be a competitor not a team player, so of course there has to be a border. Just depends on how strong a one it is. With all the nonsense happening down in England, we have to watch we don't get swamped with people leaving England in huge masses, Scotland doesn't have the infra-structure to cope with that. Yet
Let’s remember that Scotland has deep divisions - cultural, religious, historical, geographical. It has vast differences in health outcomes that are not explained by the ‘poverty’ explanation. The Independence Movement has remained popular in the last decade by playing the victim card and blaming everything that is a problem in Scotland on others -England/Westminster -like adolescents everywhere. If by some fluke Scotland becomes independent, all the divisions will come to the fore and living in Scotland will be akin to being in a sack of fighting rats…
They said the same about Ireland. The protestants just stole churches etc, they said there would be chaos as everything changed. Nothing changed and everything just went on. Protestants kept their curches, and Catholics theirs, and they got on with it. All over the republic you will find towns with catholic and protestant churches across the road from each other. However, they will need to accept that Scotlands greatest asset is not oil, but the people. The people who withstood the vikings, the romans, who were the driving force behind roman technology and the industrial revolution, and in a free scotland there will be no time for the celtic v rangers disputes, they would need to be put to bed. Cause history shows, when you have a highlander, lowlander, and an Irish perosn working on a problem, you get solutions.
@@yingyang1008 football supporters yelling at each other is a trivial hangover of deep secrarian divisions,I’d agree but these sadly linger still. The male life expectancy gaps between areas of greater Glasgow and North East ditto despite considerable repeated attempts to impact these, Indigenous linguistic and cultural gaps between the west highlands, north east and lowlands persist and are greater than the gap between the the south of Scotland and north of England. Etc
@@sisiphas What are you talking about? None of that represents a deep divide Catholics and Protestants live, work and inter marry among one another quite happily in Glasgow I should know as I grew up among it all in Lanarkshire Everyone got on just fine I never once saw any violence related to sectarianism - it was all just nonsense related to football At one job there was a massive Rangers fan who refused to eat the green Penguin biscuits as a joke - oh the horror You have to go back to the early 1980s to see the last time there was any violence at a Rangers Celtic match There was a well documented case of a Celtic fan being killed 20 years ago in a bar - a terrible thing but that was once in 20 years, hardly evidence of a deep terrifying division It's the most over rated problem in the Western world As for the terrible life expectancy in the east end of Glasgow - that's a direct result of Thatcherite policies that gutted the city of its communities ad industry - something that would never happen under a more caring and Scotland-focused government
THAT is where the blame lies!! Every country has differences. Many differences introduced by Westminster, DIVIDE and CONQUER. Diversion Tactics to pass secret laws without SCRUTINY !!
Would be interesting to see economist opinions on Scotland remaining in UK when the English seem desperate to harm the economy by voting for Brexit and the Tories whose incompetence seems to know no limits. They voted for Boris and allowed Truss to happen
It is projected that within 10-15 years the UK will try to get back to EU. I wonder what would happen should Ireland unify and if the Great Alba will become independent again. My feeling is, the England would fall into political chaos. Strange, isn't it? UK notion for leaving EU was independence. (mainly supported by nationalists). But they don't want the same freedom in decision for NI and Scotland?
@Bessie Hillum €1.13 to €1 in 2022 €1.45 to £1 in 2015... Can you see what your unionist bosses are doing? They are taking your Currency......#indyref2🏴
@Bessie Hillum yes, and it's lost value far quicker than the euro or dollar. Anyway, an independent Scotland won't be using gbp or eur, we would be using a Scottish pound so we can set interest rates, have cheap exports and not be at the mercy of the central UK bank
@Bessie Hillum We are yet again talking in "if". an independent Scotland will use a Scottish currency separate from the sterling. joining the EU is also inevitable, as Spain has said that they wouldn't veto access. however, joinin the EU would pin us to the european central bank, so joining the EFTA initially to gain monetary freedom to do what we want and still be part of the single market (7 times larger than UK market) would be a better option
The sovereign, meaning the person or group with the monopoly of violence in a given polity, decides what is and isn't true regarding the currency. Nations aren't reducible to economic mechanisms, man does not live by bread, alone.
My concern is the long, even medium~term, value of oil, given the Green issues related to hydro~carbons. The shortages resulting from the war in Ukraine may give it a new lease of life, for undesirable reasons, but it remains a source of income that should not be relied upon.
I'm more concerned Westminster are after our renewable energy and if we don't get out of this toxic tory dictatorship they'll bleed us dry of that next
IN THE FUTURE NOT RELIED UPON!! ENOUGH NATURAL ENERGY WE WILL BE SAVING or SENDING IT DOWN TO ENGLAND FOR FREE, NOR WILL WE BE THE ONLY COUNTRY PAYING OVER 7% to use our own WIND and WAVE ENERGY
No one's doing that - just pointing out that it's a fantastic natural resource to have on our doorstep, along with all the other ones we are blessed with
One thing I never read about Scotland and independence, Scotland has no deep water ports. On the east coast you Dundee, Leith, Aberdeen, Rosyth, Grangemouth, but none are deep water which means imports and exports would still have to go via England. I'm a great advocate of Scottish independence.
I'm not very good at this so apologies in advance Bruce. It shouldn't really matter if goods need to go through England when we're independent. The important thing is that Westminster won't be able to claim the tax on it anymore. Something like that anyway. 😁
@Bessie Hillum the difference is that Scotland is a country in it's own right has been since 800 ad, Catalonia never was an independent state and Catalonia leaving Spain would be like Yorkshire leaving England.
@@ruaraidhmac8171 Sterling would stay with England, wales and Northern Ireland with the Bank of England still being the central bank and lender of last resort. Next?
@@ruaraidhmac8171 The pound is already down at a 37 year low of £1.10 to the dollar. If Scotland became an independent country the Rump UK pound without the backing of Scottish exports would fall even more in value.
5th October 2022 the ratings agency Finch lowered the outlook for its credit ratings for Westminster government debt to "negative" from "stable" days after a similar move by the Standard & Poor's rating agency after the Westminster Tory SEP. 23 financial statement.
Who cares anyway - as if you should vote for or against independence just to save a percentage point of GDP It's a deeper question than that There's no reason why a modern and well educated European country blessed with natural resources shouldn't be a viable concern Why would it not work? Because we need the expertise of Borris Johnson rather than Alex Salmond?
The Yes campaign in 2014 knew most of this but got drowned out because Scotland had 100% of the media, Radio, newspapers against Independence. Which was outrageous. Nothing fair and balanced in the media in Scotland.
Television invented by Scotsman, but used as a propaganda machine by Westminster! Papers(RAGS are English, do they pay tax???Radio and T.V. stations owned by the same!
Since when are the EU looking to add economic basket cases to their ranks, and how does that Greek economic situation impact on their membership of the EU? Might we not better examine the figures and projections for the economic prospects for an independent Scotland given the current GDP %age deficit, as compared to rUK’s current rate? And how exactly roughly 2million(the taxpaying sector of the roughly 5.5million, ageing population) will service and reduce this debt, oil or no?
I think you should leave that to the economists, if what the guys in that video say is remotely true or possible then an independent Scotland will be ok. If they are wrong then an Independent Scotland will be the first independent nation to fail itself. The only people wanting to deny them that right are those at Westminster and they run the government in a far worse manner than any non-Union Scottish Party.
Only a percentage and mostly due to the constant negative propaganda spewed forth from the media and a last minute vow. Funny how lead us, don't leave us fell to the wayside the day after the referendum with Cameron introducing EVEL
@Bessie Hillum it's in English. Is there something wrong with your ability to read/comprehend or would you rather pick fault with what I've written to avoid conceding the truth of the matter? 🤔
A military spend similar to Noway would save Scotland nothing, it would cost them, the british armed forces don't come out of the Scottish block grant so doesn't cost them a thing where as they're benefitting from taxes from those within the scottish borders. If they wanted to join nato and have 2% gdp spend it will all of a sudden cost them £4 billion which won't do much to start from fresh. Considering the divorce bill, drop in trade etc they'll be £200 billion in debt on day one, i doubt they'll have money for armed forces so go neutral like Ireland and let the UK take responsibility while allowing scottish people to continue to serve. Sturgeon, although she's leaving, didnt want trident in scotland either, so it's possible the naval bases are or were planned to be something else. The oil arguement is valid but nothing will change, all oil revenues and taxes go to scotland with the scottish block grant, nothings stopping them extract their own oil now but it wont happen. NS oil revenues is less than 1% GDP yet Jim Rodgers, who confusingly gets the UK, England, and Great Britain mixed up, seems to think it's a lot bigger than it actually is. In 2020 120 wells were closed and 60 opened, 1600 wells are set to be decomissioned in the next 6 years or so. Still, like brexit, i'd probably risk leaving... although i regret voting for that now so i dont know what that says about my voting intentions lol
It's all factored in to overall UK spending And who cares anyway - as if you should vote for or against independence just to save a percentage point of GDP It's a deeper question than that
@@yingyang1008 the prospect of your country is a pretty deep one, if it’s not, it shouldn’t be taken lightly. Especially if the reward is a bit of national pride.
@@SirAmnesia I'd say there's a big difference between national pride and national self determination Scotland hasn't voted Tory since the 1950s - there is deep resentment of such politics and their disastrous impact on our country Add that to the fact that many people in Scotland simply don't feel British and never have (ie similar to Ireland) Then throw in the Brexit fiasco which is incredibly unpopular in Scotland
@@yingyang1008 self determination based on the borrowing and oil revenues isn’t promising. Even brexiteers feel the impact of brexit, it will be too late to regret any decision. The decision to not vote Tory is a good one,m. The SNP aren’t exactly amazing though, they’re better, don’t get me wrong. Running the country on hopes and dreams without reality is dangerous. It will be much worse than brexit imo. Things are already as tough as I’d like it to be, I can’t imagine voting for worse.
A difficult one to assess. Impossible to calculate the impact of big business moving South or the losses caused by their biggest customer (England, Wales and N.Ireland) looking for new sources of goods. Defence spending in Scotland would be decimated if all shipbuilding goes to new yards. One thing is for certain, nothing is certain.
Scotland is the tribal part of GB. We in the East differ to those in the West and the Highlanders couldn't be more different to the Borderers. Those differences are nothing compared to the religious divides. The rich would become non resident. It's a nice place to come from.
🤣 this is just a compilation of ignorance and puppets wheeled out to say what you want to hear. What none of them are talking about is the hardship of austerity that will be absolutely crippling if the aim is to join the eu. Only one of them alluded to it and rightly asked what are people willing to pay to be where they want to be. What are you willing to pay?
I simply don't trust any economist from England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Eire or Europe to give a balanced opinion on independence. There are far too many vested interests and axes to grind. Unfortunately very few others know enough about the subtler details to add much to the debate. For instance Jim Rogers probably is not biased, but his viewpoint is from the stratosphere. I would bet that he knows next to nothing about Scotland or it's relationship with the UK and Europe, let alone the SNP. Also I would not be surprised in the slightest if we eventually discover that Russia has been involved in promoting Scottish independence as they certainly have had a role in Brexit. Do we want to benefit Russia? If Scotland leaves the UK I am in no doubt that our relationship with England will sour much further. The UK will NEVER be welcomed back into the EU and similarly Scotland will NEVER be welcomed back into the Union. Whether Scotland would be welcomed by the EU is anyones guess and in no ways a certainly. Hence we should be extremely careful before leaving and not trust those who seek to manipulate us to their gain, whomever they are. Remember, we as voters in the UK have been very easily fooled in the past on many issues and I suspect that this will end up similarly.
Great discussion. Go for it Scotland.
This is actually very good I've seen, it shows that there is both ways for Scotland to be independent and be prosperous, yet it also lines the fact that there will be issues and problems that will need to be managed.
Nobody's mentioning that Scotland holds the nuclear weapons storage for uk. So if they do become independent, England must find another holding facility or pay Scotland money to continue.
if Scotland doesn't agree, NATO will force them to.
Maybe, because they know it's irrelevant, unlike you. There are plenty of other suitable locations in the rest of the UK. Defence of the UK is responsible for thousands of well paid, high skill jobs in Scotland. In fact, they were located there, to aid the Scottish economy. With independence, Scotland can kiss all this goodbye.
Why should everyone put up with Westminster wants, if they are serious move it to the THAMES, endangering the lives of Scotland, and places this explosive muck is driven through> TOP TABLE NONSENSE FROM THE WESTMINSTER EMPIRE RE-BUILDERS
Excellent! Thank you 👍
One thing that gets me, people say Scotland would be too poor and run a deficit so can't afford things, has anyone looked at the UK borrowing for the last 50 years? Westminster borrows beyond its means every year which is fine but Scotland doing so even temporarily is not acceptable?
Scotland doesn’t run a deficit, it also has no debt. By Law Scotland has to have a balanced budget every year. Any deficit attributed to Scotland (and indeed Wales ad NI), is a portion of the deficit run up by the Westminster Government. The UK debt ( currently heading north of £2.3TRILLION), is entirely the responsibility of the UK Government.
@@tamkofta151 yes I'm aware of how it works, my point being that people use that arguement as a some sort of massive barrier to Scotland operating independently when in reality every country uses borrowing to smooth out spending or when putting money into large scale projects especially in infrastructure and defence. The main difference being that the UK runs so much debt it now spends over £40Bil per year on just the interest alone, it's now in a cycle of repaying the minimum and borrowing more despite austerity measures.
The debate about debt share and fixed assets is one for another day, nobody knows how that situation would work out with pensions, military equipment and financial reserves along with debt as that would be subject to negotiation.
1.8% of UK loans paid back since WW2. And they have the audacity to say we can't survive.
@@tamkofta151 Apparently if rUK doesn't take up all the debt when we leave then they would also be forced to leave the UN Security council
The UK borrowing includes Scotland
Come on Scotland! 👍
Yes🏴 Scotland Independence🏴🏴
Scotland wants Independence 1. Make the creation of a Scottish central bank with currency issuing and interest rate setting powers 2. Devise a EFTA membership, whilst it considers whether to applies for EU membership 3. A Border policy to deal with the rump UK, devise a common travel area accord with the UK so travel is unaffected..
CTA would be unaffected. EFTA has a free trade agreement with UK so no borders.
The Franco Prussian pact EU are demanding a hard border so please explain 🤔
It is abundantly clear that Scotland DOES NOT WANT INDEPENDENCE. Only the disastrous SnPee keep banging on about it to try and deflect attention from their disastrous record in government.
The best method for us to get independence. Nicola sturgeon seriously needs to say stuff to do with the EFTA and a scottish bank soon to gain some trust in her method to getting us out of the UK
@@Alexander-vo4gv Do you not think that Nicola Sturgeon has told the nation ENOUGH LIES ?
Scotland could peg its currency to the Norwegian currency. That's how Brunei, a tiny tweeny country, pegs its currency to Singapore dollar. It's an oil producer and it is able to sustain its currency sovereignty. Both countries prospered and are still doing well.
And Scotland owns the oil dies it ????? The ten barrels left in the North Sea !!!!
@@TEMPLAR969 sorry mate but there's a reason 90%+ of UK oil and 70%+ of gas is Scottish. Just a little bit more than 10 barrels
THAT COULD BE SENSIBLE, MORE SENSE ,and less reckless than WESTMINSTER!
There are pros and cons to Scottish independence. But it’s becoming more clear that there are certainly more pros than there are cons. There will be some pain. That pain will be magnified enormously by the English Conservatives in their print and broadcast media. But whatever small amount of pain is experienced or perceived initially, it’ll disappear quickly and Scotland will thrive and be a successful and prosperous independent Nation. There is no doubt about that.
Just to remind you that Scotland hasn't voted Tory since the 1950s - that's one hell of a divide
Independence for Scotland _ bring it on.
The rest of the UK is sick of Scotland's bellyaching. Why not just kick them out instead?
Saor Alba gu brath!
Yeah right. Nobody speaks that language, even in the country it's meant to be from.
@@sandgrownun66 I do Greetings from Scotland!
@@danpictish5457 What's it like talking to yourself all the time? They say that it's the first sign of insanity. Scots Gaelic is spoken by about 1% of the Scottish population. So to ninety-nine out of one hundred, it might as well be a foreign language. You could throw millions of pounds, trying to make it the majority language. However, that too would be doomed to failure, because nobody's interested. The same thing still happens in Japan, where they spend millions every year, teaching all children English, but still only a few percent can speak it. At least in Wales, 20% of the population can speak their own language.
@@sandgrownun66 My culture is over 6000 years old. Language =People and it sounds as though you are trying to get rid of us! The English have being trying for years. You don't know and you are very rude!
@@danpictish5457 Which culture is over six thousand years old? I'm not getting rid of anybody. The process has been going on a long time. It's called being conquered. It happens when a larger force meets a smaller one, and the smaller one is subjugated. It's happened many times through history. Geography and serendipity are important factors too. England was invaded latterly by the Normans, and it's people were subjugated for several centuries. However, they regained their position, as the authority in their own country. The English language also replacing French and Latin as the Lingua Franca.
The truth is never rude. It also never takes sides.
Always concerning when an argument is made with clearly 'edited' bits of discussions. What was said in the edited out bits? We can all support our argument if we cherry pick the right bits of a debate.
Yeah I’m all for independence 🏴 but I agree this is a heavily biased video as I’m sure some economists would disagree
Yes, Scotland has more than enough resources to be an Independent country. This has not changed since 2014 and the last referendum.
What resources except hydrocarbons?
62 countries have gained their independence from Westminster for example the Republic of Ireland, Canada, Australia and New Zealand etc.
Many other countries around the world have gained their independence for example Norway from Sweden, Czech Republic and Slovakia etc. They all have a currency, defence forces and trade with other countries etc.
Being an independent country is normal. Being a country like Scotland controlled by a neighbouring country is abnormal.
Please read the history con your statement
Scotland is very rich land , many resources , many island scotland and tourism beautiful land , oild , whisky, very curative to do something , scotland want to stay together wit EU , welcome scotland to open diplomatic with ASEAN and other country ,
When you only see one cherry picked version on a subject its called propaganda. An honest representation asks and displays both sides.
look at the MSM everday, they have the unionist propaganda on there
Scotlands Independence coming ASAP 🏴
Even if the Scottish people don't want it?
The currency issue was the weak link during 2014. All future action has to involve clarity on the currency, and it's not difficult for Scotland to set up its own, without heavy debts, such as England's 3 Trillion National Debt... more than half of which accumulated by the Tories in the past decade. The Common Weal have a few free ebooks covering all of this.
Sage words!
If Scotland became independant, it would not automatically, nor directly, be accepted into the EU; There is a test period for their own independence, just like any other member state, that needs to be assessed before that even becomes an option. I think it was like 3 years or so, but I could be wrong. It's not as if the moment it left the UK, the EU would automatically take over the benefits it enjoys from the UK right now (such as they are).
SURELY AFTER 50 years. They KNOW and trust us? It was England that wanted to leave!. WHAT U.K.BENEFITS CANNON FODDER FOR THEIR FORCES, RESOURCES AN GOODS, LOW PENSIONS, HIGH PRICES,FRACKING, ENGLISH WHISKY(THAMES WATER??)TAKING OVER OUR SPACE PROGAM, POLLUTING OUR FISH WITH NUCLEAR. TRASHING OUR LANGUAGE AND CULTURE!! OUR ENERGY, OUR INVENTIONS!
The Scottish government passed the Referendum Bill and has said the Indyref2 will be at the end of 2023.
And what happens if it's "No" again. Is it going to be third time lucky?
The English voted themselves into third country status, way to go England. The Scots with their oil, young population, and fear of debt would stand them in stead if they voted to become independent. The bigger problem is would England allow the vote. If Scotland leaves then Northern Ireland would not be far behind.
It is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS!! YOU might find that the NORTH OF ENGLAND WANTS OUT!??
30% reduction in all asset worth, across the board.. let me think about that…
Just wouldn’t happen tho.
Oil, whisky, pensions....I could go on.
@@julianshepherd2038 ahhhh yes pensions.
The question I have is what to do with the border with England. England is Scotland's largest trading partner. If Scotland rejoins Europe will it require border guards, etc. I am for Scotland's independence but lest get all the facts worked out. No SNP hype.
"England is Scotland's largest trading partner" - yes, but the EU is a market with more potential. If Scotland became independent and re-joined the EU, its trading patterns would change quite quickly - as is presently being seen in Northern Ireland. Also, there would not need to be border guards - the movement of people would almost certainly remain unchanged as both Scotland and England (along with Ireland) are members of the Common Travel Area. There may be customs checks and paperwork at the border which may cause delays in trade, but won't stop it. And remember, the EU and UK have signed a free trade deal so these delays would be no worse than being experienced in Belfast and Larne today.
Facts? Are you asking for snp to tell you what future policies and spending will be in an unknown time from an unknown government? What exactly do you mean all the facts?
@@saddoncarrs6963 FFS what is the big deal of having your passport/id. checked at border custom checked takes minuites. FAKE NEWS! ALBA GU BRATH
@@franciscruickshank8794 Totally agree - although I doubt even that will be necessary under the Common Travel Area.
Westminster just put up 27 borders, they decided to be a competitor not a team player, so of course there has to be a border. Just depends on how strong a one it is. With all the nonsense happening down in England, we have to watch we don't get swamped with people leaving England in huge masses, Scotland doesn't have the infra-structure to cope with that. Yet
Ireland and Scotland should get independence. I wish the same for Wales.
Wales not whales. One a country other an animal.
Ireland already is independent.
Ireland is already independent you mean Northern Ireland. Look at a map.
Tehran should have independence.
Ireland has been independent since 1920, in case you weren't aware.
Here was me thinking Wee Jammy pledged against a hydrocarbon future🤔…
There’s no contradiction there tho? 💀
We have hydrocarbons and wind, tidal, hydro electricity.
We have a lot of wind and tide.
@@julianshepherd2038 majority of the wind comes from mendacious Nicoliar.
This is interesting if only for the fact that it demonstrates that economics is not a hard science! That and how delusion is rampant.
Let’s remember that Scotland has deep divisions - cultural, religious, historical, geographical. It has vast differences in health outcomes that are not explained by the ‘poverty’ explanation. The
Independence Movement has remained popular in the last decade by playing the victim card and blaming everything that is a problem in Scotland on others -England/Westminster -like adolescents everywhere.
If by some fluke Scotland becomes independent, all the divisions will come to the fore and living in Scotland will be akin to being in a sack of fighting rats…
They said the same about Ireland. The protestants just stole churches etc, they said there would be chaos as everything changed. Nothing changed and everything just went on. Protestants kept their curches, and Catholics theirs, and they got on with it. All over the republic you will find towns with catholic and protestant churches across the road from each other. However, they will need to accept that Scotlands greatest asset is not oil, but the people. The people who withstood the vikings, the romans, who were the driving force behind roman technology and the industrial revolution, and in a free scotland there will be no time for the celtic v rangers disputes, they would need to be put to bed. Cause history shows, when you have a highlander, lowlander, and an Irish perosn working on a problem, you get solutions.
Deep divisions?
Rangers and Celtic fans like to shout at each other four times a year, that's about it mate
@@yingyang1008 football supporters yelling at each other is a trivial hangover of deep secrarian divisions,I’d agree but these sadly linger still. The male life expectancy gaps between areas of greater Glasgow and North East ditto despite considerable repeated attempts to impact these, Indigenous linguistic and cultural gaps between the west highlands, north east and lowlands persist and are greater than the gap between the the south of Scotland and north of England. Etc
@@sisiphas What are you talking about? None of that represents a deep divide
Catholics and Protestants live, work and inter marry among one another quite happily in Glasgow
I should know as I grew up among it all in Lanarkshire
Everyone got on just fine
I never once saw any violence related to sectarianism - it was all just nonsense related to football
At one job there was a massive Rangers fan who refused to eat the green Penguin biscuits as a joke - oh the horror
You have to go back to the early 1980s to see the last time there was any violence at a Rangers Celtic match
There was a well documented case of a Celtic fan being killed 20 years ago in a bar - a terrible thing but that was once in 20 years, hardly evidence of a deep terrifying division
It's the most over rated problem in the Western world
As for the terrible life expectancy in the east end of Glasgow - that's a direct result of Thatcherite policies that gutted the city of its communities ad industry - something that would never happen under a more caring and Scotland-focused government
THAT is where the blame lies!! Every country has differences. Many differences introduced by Westminster, DIVIDE and CONQUER. Diversion Tactics to pass secret laws without SCRUTINY !!
hope Scotland will be independent soon from yhe UK
So do I 🏴🤭
*the UK
Careful what you wish for
@Bessie Hillum Says someone who said communicate yourself better 🤣🤣
@Bessie Hillum he didnt write properly in the sentence. i assume you meant *correctly*
Would be interesting to see economist opinions on Scotland remaining in UK when the English seem desperate to harm the economy by voting for Brexit and the Tories whose incompetence seems to know no limits. They voted for Boris and allowed Truss to happen
Exactly .
It is projected that within 10-15 years the UK will try to get back to EU. I wonder what would happen should Ireland unify and if the Great Alba will become independent again. My feeling is, the England would fall into political chaos.
Strange, isn't it? UK notion for leaving EU was independence. (mainly supported by nationalists). But they don't want the same freedom in decision for NI and Scotland?
Yep its abit two faced eh. Don't do as I do, do as I say.
@Bessie Hillum €1.13 to €1 in 2022
€1.45 to £1 in 2015... Can you see what your unionist bosses are doing? They are taking your Currency......#indyref2🏴
@Bessie Hillum it's over for the pound lmao. it was at $2 USD in 2007, now trading at $1.21
@Bessie Hillum yes, and it's lost value far quicker than the euro or dollar. Anyway, an independent Scotland won't be using gbp or eur, we would be using a Scottish pound so we can set interest rates, have cheap exports and not be at the mercy of the central UK bank
@Bessie Hillum We are yet again talking in "if". an independent Scotland will use a Scottish currency separate from the sterling. joining the EU is also inevitable, as Spain has said that they wouldn't veto access. however, joinin the EU would pin us to the european central bank, so joining the EFTA initially to gain monetary freedom to do what we want and still be part of the single market (7 times larger than UK market) would be a better option
There’s no such thing as Scottish pound, it’s all sterling just different issuing banks
They're just pointing out that Scotland already prints and manages its own money, so that the country has everything in place to switch over easily
The sovereign, meaning the person or group with the monopoly of violence in a given polity, decides what is and isn't true regarding the currency. Nations aren't reducible to economic mechanisms, man does not live by bread, alone.
My concern is the long, even medium~term, value of oil, given the Green issues related to hydro~carbons. The shortages resulting from the war in Ukraine may give it a new lease of life, for undesirable reasons, but it remains a source of income that should not be relied upon.
I'm more concerned Westminster are after our renewable energy and if we don't get out of this toxic tory dictatorship they'll bleed us dry of that next
oil even if not used for power production has many uses and applications so it would even have value if it wasn't burned for power.
@@atroxie not only this, oil is increasingly becoming less important in the Scottish economy as the renewable sector skyrockets
@@Alexander-vo4gv i dont even think we use it for our own energy anymore? I saw 97% of our energy is renewable
IN THE FUTURE NOT RELIED UPON!! ENOUGH NATURAL ENERGY WE WILL BE SAVING or SENDING IT DOWN TO ENGLAND FOR FREE, NOR WILL WE BE THE ONLY COUNTRY PAYING OVER 7% to use our own WIND and WAVE ENERGY
Let’s base our country on oil, yep right in this day and age isn’t going to happen.
No one's doing that - just pointing out that it's a fantastic natural resource to have on our doorstep, along with all the other ones we are blessed with
One thing I never read about Scotland and independence, Scotland has no deep water ports. On the east coast you Dundee, Leith, Aberdeen, Rosyth, Grangemouth, but none are deep water which means imports and exports would still have to go via England. I'm a great advocate of Scottish independence.
I'm not very good at this so apologies in advance Bruce.
It shouldn't really matter if goods need to go through England when we're independent. The important thing is that Westminster won't be able to claim the tax on it anymore. Something like that anyway. 😁
@Bessie Hillum no they don't. They say that whenever they want something.
@Bessie Hillum nothing, they're part of Scotland
@Bessie Hillum that's like Catalonia trying to leave Spain. It wasn't recognised internationally as they're not a separate country
@Bessie Hillum the difference is that Scotland is a country in it's own right has been since 800 ad, Catalonia never was an independent state and Catalonia leaving Spain would be like Yorkshire leaving England.
What would the credit rating be of an independent Scotland with no established currency?
what happens to sterling when Scotland leaves?
@@ruaraidhmac8171 Sterling would stay with England, wales and Northern Ireland with the Bank of England still being the central bank and lender of last resort.
Next?
@@ruaraidhmac8171
The pound is already down at a 37 year low of £1.10 to the dollar.
If Scotland became an independent country the Rump UK pound without the backing of Scottish exports would fall even more in value.
5th October 2022 the ratings agency Finch lowered the outlook for its credit ratings for Westminster government debt to "negative" from "stable" days after a similar move by the Standard & Poor's rating agency after the Westminster Tory SEP. 23 financial statement.
@@martindornan1667 And? UK investment credit trading is not at danger. Countries like Japan and Australia have also been downgraded on their outlook.
Who cares anyway - as if you should vote for or against independence just to save a percentage point of GDP
It's a deeper question than that
There's no reason why a modern and well educated European country blessed with natural resources shouldn't be a viable concern
Why would it not work? Because we need the expertise of Borris Johnson rather than Alex Salmond?
The Yes campaign in 2014 knew most of this but got drowned out because Scotland had 100% of the media, Radio, newspapers against Independence. Which was outrageous. Nothing fair and balanced in the media in Scotland.
100% correct!!
It was worse with Brexit? So what are you trying to say?
Television invented by Scotsman, but used as a propaganda machine by Westminster! Papers(RAGS are English, do they pay tax???Radio and T.V. stations owned by the same!
People tourism and education in schools hospitals,and
Since when are the EU looking to add economic basket cases to their ranks, and how does that Greek economic situation impact on their membership of the EU? Might we not better examine the figures and projections for the economic prospects for an independent Scotland given the current GDP %age deficit, as compared to rUK’s current rate? And how exactly roughly 2million(the taxpaying sector of the roughly 5.5million, ageing population) will service and reduce this debt, oil or no?
I think you should leave that to the economists, if what the guys in that video say is remotely true or possible then an independent Scotland will be ok. If they are wrong then an Independent Scotland will be the first independent nation to fail itself. The only people wanting to deny them that right are those at Westminster and they run the government in a far worse manner than any non-Union Scottish Party.
Only a percentage and mostly due to the constant negative propaganda spewed forth from the media and a last minute vow. Funny how lead us, don't leave us fell to the wayside the day after the referendum with Cameron introducing EVEL
@Bessie Hillum do you have a problem with my English?
@Bessie Hillum it's in English. Is there something wrong with your ability to read/comprehend or would you rather pick fault with what I've written to avoid conceding the truth of the matter? 🤔
Scotland gdp per head is more than twice that if Greeces.
I don't think you know anything about their economies.
Can't the Scots speak for themselves ? Greek ?
Yes🏴 Scotland Independence 🏴🏴
A military spend similar to Noway would save Scotland nothing, it would cost them, the british armed forces don't come out of the Scottish block grant so doesn't cost them a thing where as they're benefitting from taxes from those within the scottish borders. If they wanted to join nato and have 2% gdp spend it will all of a sudden cost them £4 billion which won't do much to start from fresh. Considering the divorce bill, drop in trade etc they'll be £200 billion in debt on day one, i doubt they'll have money for armed forces so go neutral like Ireland and let the UK take responsibility while allowing scottish people to continue to serve. Sturgeon, although she's leaving, didnt want trident in scotland either, so it's possible the naval bases are or were planned to be something else. The oil arguement is valid but nothing will change, all oil revenues and taxes go to scotland with the scottish block grant, nothings stopping them extract their own oil now but it wont happen. NS oil revenues is less than 1% GDP yet Jim Rodgers, who confusingly gets the UK, England, and Great Britain mixed up, seems to think it's a lot bigger than it actually is. In 2020 120 wells were closed and 60 opened, 1600 wells are set to be decomissioned in the next 6 years or so. Still, like brexit, i'd probably risk leaving... although i regret voting for that now so i dont know what that says about my voting intentions lol
It's all factored in to overall UK spending
And who cares anyway - as if you should vote for or against independence just to save a percentage point of GDP
It's a deeper question than that
@@yingyang1008 the prospect of your country is a pretty deep one, if it’s not, it shouldn’t be taken lightly. Especially if the reward is a bit of national pride.
@@SirAmnesia I'd say there's a big difference between national pride and national self determination
Scotland hasn't voted Tory since the 1950s - there is deep resentment of such politics and their disastrous impact on our country
Add that to the fact that many people in Scotland simply don't feel British and never have (ie similar to Ireland)
Then throw in the Brexit fiasco which is incredibly unpopular in Scotland
@@yingyang1008 self determination based on the borrowing and oil revenues isn’t promising. Even brexiteers feel the impact of brexit, it will be too late to regret any decision.
The decision to not vote Tory is a good one,m. The SNP aren’t exactly amazing though, they’re better, don’t get me wrong. Running the country on hopes and dreams without reality is dangerous. It will be much worse than brexit imo. Things are already as tough as I’d like it to be, I can’t imagine voting for worse.
@@SirAmnesia Oil is just a nice thing to have - it's not the basis of anything
Scotland has a decent enough economy without oil
A difficult one to assess. Impossible to calculate the impact of big business moving South or the losses caused by their biggest customer (England, Wales and N.Ireland) looking for new sources of goods. Defence spending in Scotland would be decimated if all shipbuilding goes to new yards. One thing is for certain, nothing is certain.
Potential loss of Navel Base .
Complete fictional nonsense.....grow up scotland...ask klaus Schwab 😆
So England will stop buying from Scotland. What and the EU because you buy electricity from both.
Not thought it through, have you.
so you assessed it negatively 🤣🤣
@@fayfairley6339English potential loss of oil and electricity....
Scotland is not the country of JK Rowling ffs 🤦♂️
Very nice work. Scotland deserve more than a clown deciding their future.
There is a clown in charge of Scotland, clown and a thief and liar.
Which clown? The mini trump or the one that looks like a 12 year old boy.
Yes, she’s terrible, and corrupt too.
@@freeforester1717 everyone in the BSNP is corrupt
No I don’t care at all !
Scotland is the tribal part of GB. We in the East differ to those in the West and the Highlanders couldn't be more different to the Borderers. Those differences are nothing compared to the religious divides. The rich would become non resident. It's a nice place to come from.
It's no different to anywhere else. North of England compared to south of England, Manchester v Birmingham etc etc
Sounds like you left in 1983
@@alibrown6268 we don't have riots
@@julianshepherd2038 ‘79
@@julianshepherd2038 the riots were in 1707
God Save the King 🇬🇧 🏴
lizzies in a box
Giving him a £47.000 present should help, we all need saving!!
These are all out of date. Several years old. Different situation now! No to independence.
The only way to do this is a hard Border built and the British pound being withdrawn overnight
🤣 this is just a compilation of ignorance and puppets wheeled out to say what you want to hear.
What none of them are talking about is the hardship of austerity that will be absolutely crippling if the aim is to join the eu. Only one of them alluded to it and rightly asked what are people willing to pay to be where they want to be. What are you willing to pay?
I simply don't trust any economist from England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Eire or Europe to give a balanced opinion on independence. There are far too many vested interests and axes to grind. Unfortunately very few others know enough about the subtler details to add much to the debate. For instance Jim Rogers probably is not biased, but his viewpoint is from the stratosphere. I would bet that he knows next to nothing about Scotland or it's relationship with the UK and Europe, let alone the SNP.
Also I would not be surprised in the slightest if we eventually discover that Russia has been involved in promoting Scottish independence as they certainly have had a role in Brexit. Do we want to benefit Russia?
If Scotland leaves the UK I am in no doubt that our relationship with England will sour much further. The UK will NEVER be welcomed back into the EU and similarly Scotland will NEVER be welcomed back into the Union. Whether Scotland would be welcomed by the EU is anyones guess and in no ways a certainly. Hence we should be extremely careful before leaving and not trust those who seek to manipulate us to their gain, whomever they are. Remember, we as voters in the UK have been very easily fooled in the past on many issues and I suspect that this will end up similarly.