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- Suleiman Blames Hurrem for His Son's Death " DID YOU SLANDERED MY SON? "
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Hürrem gets prepared for a bloody play!
As the time passing makes Suleiman feel more lonely, Hürrem gets in search of revenge with her sharpened rage. In the meantime, Rüstem has become the Grand Vizier thanks to the power he gets from Hürrem and Mihrimah and the politics he played. He gets prepared for a bloody play with Hürrem.
High winds between Selim and Bayezid...
The princes gather in the capital for Cihangir's sword girding ceremony. High winds bluster among the brothers who come together after years, especially between Selim and Bayezid. The fact that Mustafa has been welcomed effusively by the janissaries resonates with the palace. Rüstem doesn't hesitate to use this against the prince.
Meanwhile, a Venetian odalisque who has been presented as a gift to the palace draws attention with her beauty. This woman will change not only hers but also the destiny of the royal family.
At the age of 26, when he ascended to the throne, Sultan Suleiman aimed to build an empire more powerful than Alexander the Great and to render the Ottomans invincible. Throughout his 46-year reign, he became the greatest warrior and ruler of both East and West.
The young Suleiman received news of his succession to the throne during a hunting party in 1520. Unaware that he would be ruling a reign beyond his dreams, he left behind his wife son and took to the road with his close friend and companion Pargali Ibrahim to reach the Topkapi Palace in Istanbul. As they started their journey overland, an Ottoman ship set sail from Crimea in the Black Sea, bringing female slaves as gifts for the Ottoman palace… On this ship was Alexandra La Rossa, the daughter of a Ukrainian Orthodox minister, taken away from her family and sold to the Crimean palace. She had no idea that she would become Hurrem, wife of Sultan Suleiman and mother of princes, ruling the empire with him through bloodshed and intrigue.
As Sultan Suleiman conquered the world, his great passion for Hurrem would clash with his love for and trust in his closest friend and advisor, Grand Vizier Pargali Ibrahim, all set against the backdrop of the tension between Christian Europe and the Ottoman Empire in the 16th century.
Cast: Halit Ergenç, Nebahat Çehre, Meryem Uzerli, Okan Yalabık, Nur Aysan, Selma Ergeç, Sema Keçik, Filiz Ahmet, Selim Bayraktar, Selen Öztürk, Nihan Büyükağaç, Burcu Tuna, Merve Oflaz, Arif Erkin, Ali Uyandıran, Alp Öyken, Murat Tüzün, Doğan Turan, Gökhan Çelebi, Yüksel Ünal.
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Suleman was deeply insecure person who felt threatened by his sons capabilities and competencies. This Phenomenon exist today also like insecure bosses getting intimidated by employees.
yh that’s definitely it…well done 👍, comparing Suleyman The Magnificent, The Prince of the Believers, The Caliph of Islam to a boss getting insure by his employees. There’s definitely nothing else to it, like the Law of Fratricide which would’ve meant Mustafa would’ve killed Selim, Changir and Bayezid once he ascended the throne, giving Hurrem a reason to want Mustafas Death, or the Fact Mustafa literally marched on the Capital with an Army and managed to get to the palace’s entrance, or the father of the Sultan, Selim the 1st. It’s definitely insecurity 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@TheRedMenaceUK palace's entrance with no weapon.
Truth. And Murad was worse, he killed his 4 Young brother, and almost Ibrahim, only he died before It could happens and history says Kosem peotect só he couldnt kill and died before. But I Felt Sad that on the série they tried clean his image qnd they put the guilty on Kosem.
@@TheRedMenaceUKgenuinely curious, not being sarcastic or anything - cant Suleiman abolish that law since he’s the Sultan?
@@emvittKasem and Ibrahim? They were not even capable to be the sultan of the empire. Putting them in the line for the throne is both toxic for the empire, and a stupid decision in itself. Bayezid deserved to be the sultan as much as Murad. But Bayezid's time would have come, if he directly rebelled, or waited for his chance to come. Murad IV was a great sultan, his strength, his intelligence, his wit, everything was just absolutely excellent. He was a hot blood, which might have made him to take some not nice decisions. But he was one of the best sultans of the ottomans.
I really loved Hurrem's response. No matter what Hurrem did, ultimately Suleiman was the one with the final call.
WTF r u crazy?
She is manipulative.. I don't know how come this suleyman kept trusting her. Always lies.
Agreed. At the end of the day she can't make such a decision. No matter what she is always loyal to Suleiman. She even said and proven before that not even one of her sons can get to the throne while Suleiman is breathing.
Loved her speech to Shah earlier, that she is his breath as long as she breathes that means he is alive and she will always be love and be loyal to him first.
It’s true he didn’t believe the letter hurrem made from Mustafa, but he did believe the coup mustafas army was planning, which is the very reason a prince doesn’t have his own army while the sultan is alive, mustafa knew this but still allowed them to stay with him and even payed them for their loyalty instead of sending them to his father as he was supposed to, that wasn’t hurrems fault or plan, and the fact that mustafa didn’t understand that what he was doing looked wrong was a very big fault in his character
Mustafa believed his father was fair and honest
He knew who was responsible for the scheme but he wanted to plead his case. Very hard horrible scene nevertheless. 😢
He was truly grieving and feeling remorse and he wanted to blame someone else for being able to feel more at peace. He knew that Mustafa was dangerous because of hiw much the soldiers loved him...
yes and that's why the prince needs to warn the army but he did not he sort of liked it and this good sir is called Treason and the punishment of treason is DEATH
the good thing about this sultan is that he apply the law even on his own familly
no joke why he was called AL KANONI ( the just ) or more like ' The Lawgiver''
He was also insecure about his position on the Throne as there was a family history of his own father Sultan Selim 1 seizing power and dethroning Suleiman's own Grandfather Bayezid II . With Shehzade Mustafa being so popular with the Jannissaries and the local population , Sultan Suleiman was paranoid that history would repeat itself and Mustafa would do the same to him by seizing power and dethroning him just as his own father Selim 1 had done to his own father Bayezid II. Suleiman as a prince feared his own father Selim 1 and saw a lot of his father's ambition in his own son Mustafa!
lol what a paranoid loser suleyman was, imagine seeing your potentiel succesor as dangerous because the soldiers loved him. The fact that the soldiers loved him makes a good candidate as a succesor to the throne for more glorious days for the empire. he was gonna dies anyway soon of old age with his white azz beards lol what was he so afraid of? having a good succesor ? xD some old people does not know when to quit!
Hurrem put mustafa seal on the letter...of course she is the one to blame...
@@ismaelbouissef4436in real life I'm 90% sure she didn't put anything .... Suleiman wanted to kill his son
Hurrem's cunning words were honest and enough to answer Suleiman. She reminded him that power demands sacrifice and that they are together in it. Great lines and wonderful delivery by the actress
So that makes everything right? Isn't that hypocrisy?
@@jobairkhondoker5775 so that made Hurrem and her sons survive (so far)
Hurrem's response was indeed strategically appropriate. She understood the palace intrigues and knew how to handle herself even when Suleiman asked her if she had slandered Mustafa triggering his execution.
Suleiman was the only one who had the power to end the brother slaughtering tradition. Declare it illegal, pay off holy men to denounce it as an act against god, whatever needed to be done, and reinforce that for decades. Mustafa and Hurrem's children already loved each other, perfect place to start. Banish Mahi and remove her influence. End her if need be. But Suleiman the cowardly fool did nothing for his children and their mothers, and he goes on to blame everyone but himself.
The second part with the "new" Hurrem is not anymore about Suleiman's heart, but her children's survival. It was either her and her children or Mustafa.
She literally said : I selfishly chose power over the life of your son and thats how it is , accept it
@@Themanthelegend2didn't Mahidevran do the same though? She's been trying to get rid of Hurrem and her children since the beginning. She tried and failed twice with Mehmet and then she finally succeeded with the smallpox infested blanket
There's no reason to love suleiman either. He is such a hypocrite and a oath breaker. Who does the things he wants and then when something goes wrong he blames others. (I'm talking about the show version)
@@crystallofton5809 Yes. The Law of Fratricide instigated the dog eat dog mentality especially in the harem where the mothers had to be ruthless. It wasn't just Mahidevran but also Hurrem. It only caused pain and sorrow. It wasn't until the murder of 19 princes by orders of Mehmed III the populace had had enough.
To be fair, it’s neither Hurrem's not Mahidevran's fault. Both of them were trying to save their children. But who are we to judge? If we lived in that era, who knows, may be we would have done what's necessary too.
Suleiman saw Mustafa as a threat to Hurrem's children and he thought killing one son will save the lives of others. So he didn't care much to prove his innocence.
Ironically in the end Hurrem's children turned against each others anyways 🤷♀️ and that incompetent Selim became sultan.
I mean it’s game of thrones, you either kill or get killed. 🤷♀️
May I suggest to everyone who calls Selim incopetent read more about his rule and him as a Sultan, not the things show is trying so hard to represent. Thank you.
no , a person has ability to take decision but person with wish will not think other wise
@@DarkSpells87 He was a horrible leader, in his reign Russia expanded so much and destroyed Tatar khanates while he did nothing except for a poorly planned Astrakhan campaign which ultimately failed
@@invoker7826 why are we talking about Russia here?
@@DarkSpells87 Because Russian empire is the one that destroyed the Ottoman Empire. Rising power of Moscow crippled the Ottoman Empire in the next centuries
For me he was a coward he always pretended to be the fairest person on earth but was unfair to his family the most specially mahidevran and mustafa even when he knew that hurrem was the masterming behind his execution he still diden't punish her or killed her meanwhile he striped mahidevran from her title and wealth he was always easily deceived by his sourounding never knew what was happening behind the scenes like hurrem and ibrahim's constant conflict
during this scene he proved that he was nothing more but a plaything of hurrem she could get away with anything even after mustafa's son died because of her he still diden't act he was manipulated until the end he was always good at faking power and making empty threats but this scene show what exactly he is a COWARD
He knew everything, he chose to turn a blind eye . He was a very intelligent ruler deep down he had to make a choice. He Chose Hurrem and her kids over Mustapha and Mahi. My opinion the letters from the Shah etc etc were too convenient any person would question it but he chose to believe it
That being said I loved Halits portrayal as the aged Suleiman the pain he portrays after executing his son. The darkness that surrounds him. The eyes tell a story , he was magnificent 👌
Well said👏👏👏
Mahidevran was a horrible person. She started the war with Hurrem over jealousy..she refused to accept the Sultans will. She tried many times to kill or harm others because of her obessession. Hurrem is like a dangerous animal. If you left her alone she left you alone but if you brought trouble to her she would ride you down without mercy. Hurrem had very little mercy in her.
he knew. mahidevran should have known her place and kept her silence when he married hurrem and she would have been cared for instead she turned into a murderous child throwing a tantrum because he wouldnt give her attention anymore. hurrem got rid of her because she threatened her saftey and her childrens saftey. he was right though she would never have tried to displace him and put her own children on the throne she loved him and wanted him there.
The thing is, had Mustafa lived he would have either been forced to kill his brothers or someone else would have done it for him. As much as he loved them, he wouldn't have been able to protect them. Hürrem had a clear motivation to do what she did. The only person with the power to change that and end the conflict was Süleyman himself. Because of that I hold Süleyman more responsible than anyone else. He was in the best position to prevent this and yet he didn't.
@@machandiohashmi3123 OK but I explained why in my above comment. Besides she did love Süleyman.
@@hurremhascki
She loved him more then anything and anyone.
He couldn't actually prevent killing future between brothers,what he really did- He kill his son for his own throne, same as his father tried to kill him.
@@noname8151 Yeah it's the vicious generational cycle of trauma.
True but that is what happened. She or they feared that the stepson would kill others. But in the show selim killed his own brother and little nephews. I found it much more cruel. Also killing of Mustafa's so little boy was when I lost respect towards Suleyman. I am talking about the show.
@@samiasultana44 Fair. But did Hürrem have any other realistic options? I think the one thing that could have changed the outcome of Selim and Bayezid's rivalry was if she had lived longer.
I feel sorry for Suleiman. According to research papers, after Mustafa's execution, he became short-tempered, distanced himself from everyone, and remained silent most of the time.
Good riddance
Killing your own son, specially your first child is what made him more silenced.
I love her response for many reasons. One, her reference to a shadow says she cannot move unless he moves. She would be squashed if he wanted it, ever. Mustafa’s death wasn’t just because of Hurrems slander. It was because Suleiman was threatened by him. Two, Suleiman loved HER as much as he loved power, and she had 5 children by him. Their empire however loved Mustafa. And whether he would have ordered the death or his brothers or not when he took the throne, it would ultimately still cause chaos and division amongst the empires peopleand likely result in more deaths. Suleiman knew what had to be done if he chose Hurrem. Hurrem was aware her children’s lives depended on her alliance with Suleiman. Thirdly, to say no one is sinless under this roof was so true. Hurrem was a powerful woman because she was ruthless to everyone but her own family. She was wrong on so many levels, but what she said was the truth. She would always want what he wants, which was to be with him and their children to stay alive.
Suleiman: "DID YOU SLANDER MY SON AND HAVE ME EXECUTE HIM???😡"
Hurrem: "I wanted what you wanted🤷🏾♀🤭"
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
“Who am I?
I’m just your shadow.
I wanted what you wanted.”
Brilliant.
So cunning
Scary how she can twist anything and outwit anyone...
@@helenspitz250 It wasn't twisting anything and he had no choice but to accept everything she said because they were just flat out facts. It doesn't matter in the end what she or anyone else did because at the end of the day it was Sultan Suleiman who felt threatened by his son who gave the order execute him to keep his own power. He can't blame her or anyone else for furthering and going along with something that he himself ultimately wanted as well. This was Hurrem respectfully refusing to be his scapegoat in telling him to take responsibility for his own choices as Sultan and deal with his fatherly guilt. She simply reminded him that the whole system is built on getting and keeping power in order to survive and that no one not even himself is or can be innocent when pursuing it .
Hurrem answered Suleiman's question with brilliance
I love her
Yet indeed very intelligent and cunning too at the same time
So so sad for you
@@izas5768 why?
The perfect answer if she pleaded innocent and acted clueless he would have known it was a lie.
Suleiman would not have killed Mustafa if not for the twisted plot from Hurrem and Rustem. I get she wants to protect her children however she destroyed Suleiman in the process which calls into question her love for him
He was the Sultan. He could investigate and look for proofs of Mustafa's innocence or guilt. No one obligated him to do it.
@@vincentdenorvvv Yes and this fact is exactly what Hurrem is telling him here. Suleiman felt threatened by his son for far greater reasons that had more to do with Mustafa's own openly questionable behavior and bad choices than any plot from Hurrem or anyone else. He could see that Mustafa was growing in popularity thus power and was openly exhibiting behavior that was showing a growing desire to overthrow him. Suleiman essentially chose preserving himself over the increasing potential threat his son was posing.
@@cisio64123 this is what I am trying to say. Whoever roams with your enemies, supports them and fund them is not your friend, even if it is your son. I just don't understand why people not getting this point.
Cunning woman, know her way through sweetened words and then poisons mind and thoughts, well that atleast is beautifully conveyed in this show.
It's a very sexist trope though.
Hurrems words are so right here noone is innesent and they are all intangeld in angame of power they realy do nor want to but are in to deep in it becose of survival
According to me Hurrem is the true villainess of the series.
She's more of an antiheroine or antivillain if you ask me. She subverts villain tropes though.
I totally agree!! She manipulated even small issue .
@@danielsgzzawi6090 I mean that is a very reductive take.
@@hurremhascki but I do agree with Luka. The series was obviously to heightened the 2. Sulaiman and Hurrem. Yet still she was the villain. This is normal story of first wife , second and others From Mahi perspective still she behaved well in that manner. Otherwise, nowadays first wife can be more nasty and mean than Mahi.
@@danielsgzzawi6090 Hürrem had her own perspective though that is just as understandable. And I think she actually subverts a particular villain trope. I'd consider both women as antiheroes really.
In his subconscious mind he always doubted Mustafa. He used to have nightmares like "Mustafa and Ibrahim killed Hürrem and all her 5 children" or "Mustafa and Ibrahim have cut Mehmed's head off" etc.
But he never had a nightmare like "Mehmed killing Mustafa". He knew Mehmed was innocent hearted. Mustafa confessed that he was not innocent anymore infront of Suleiman. Mustafa used to bribe the army under his control, that was strictly prohibited. Mustafa used to meet with Grand vizir Ibrahim without Suleiman 's knowledge.
Al these thing collectively killed Mustafa, not Hürrem's slanders.
Was instigated by hurrem
@@Justanormalhuman1992In her way, all she did was snitch. So your logic is "snitches get stitches even if it would mean all her children are dead." Good for you, stick to your guns and go off I guess.
@@Justanormalhuman1992
It was instigated by Mustafa’s own actions and disobedience. He repeatedly made mistakes, disobeyed his father’s orders and did things behind his back despite the many warnings and second chances given by Suleiman. Mustafa preferred to be headstrong than to keep his father’s trust. Hurrem just used it to her advantage and exposed what Mustafa did on his own.
@@Dreamfyre2 hurrem wasnt a saint either
@@Justanormalhuman1992
Lol is that your response seriously? No, she wasn’t obviously. Who would be in a war where your and the lives of your children are in constant threat and when you’re a target to constant traps and plots? They started the war, Hurrem finished it.
It seems one think slips poeples mind ..it's very simple mustafa was simply a threat to sultan sulaiman's throne .and sultan had to do what he had to in oder to remain in power same with ibrahim he out shined the sultan popularty with the poeple he over shadowed the throne and he had to be gone...I believe sultan sulaiman had them killed not becouse he was manipulated to he killed them becouse he feared they will overthrow him
But Ibrahim Pasha's case was different he really couldn't afford the new found power and in a way tried to fool the King
He in real life was corresponding with the Venetians
So what how can he so foolish mustafa could be a much more better sultan then sulaiman none of hurrem's sons r capable to be sultan. Hurem destroyed the future of ottoman empire jst for a drunk son
@@mortuza.77 what would u have done if u were in hurrem's place ? Even if u wouldn't want to do it u had to do it 4 your own survival. Mustafa would have killed hurrem and his children after being in the throne so it was better to remove him from her way
@@whocares5456 hurrem was nt so important she was the actual villain of that eta she should be killed for the future of empire as u can see after sulainam era ottoman empire never grows bigger if mustafa becomes the sultan then the remaining half of the world he could concure bt selim was useless
🤣🤣🤣🤣 killed his son. And ooops now I will blame everyone. You fool you got manipulated. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He's so blind and privileged. Honestly if he couldn't see her motives (and his own role in the fanning the flames of conflict) that's on him. At least Hürrem was trying to protect her kids. What's Süleyman's excuse?
Even if suleiman was always afraid of his son's abilities and leadership he was never going to execute him without the ontervention of hurrem i never really saw her as a victim anymore once she gained power
Ibrahim pasha nd mustafa would have been game changing combinations, but sulaiman was stucked with orthodoxy....he never thought of the future of empire...
The mature Hurrem. Her answer is so brilliant, I cannot think of a better answer.
Intelligent, cunning, sharp.
To be manipulative with your love makes you the scum of earth …. She said because i love you and love power , we had to get rid of ur son opps my bad
@@Themanthelegend2 maybe you dont know laws and tradition surrounding royal dynasty back then. Mustafa getting the throne meant 100% death for all her children. She did what she had to.
8:20 here she admitted what she did for those here who think otherwise.
She doesn't fear Suleiman anymore because she's valide sultan.
No valide sultan is the mother of the sultan. Hurrem was still haseki because the sultan was her husband not her son
Also, the sultan have the power to throw a valide sultan to the dungeons. Look, kosem the most powerful valide sultan was sent to dungeons by Murad
@@Global-activist-reporter well, other than OP's fixation with Valide Sultan title, she's right.
Hurrem finally told him truth as she no longer had any enemies. Only Suleiman was more powerful than her in a way. One he could have her killed, and she's fine with that.
And other sultan's threw Valides in dungeons because of direct competition of power (meaning weaker Sultans).
Hurrem competed with everybody for power but never Suleiman.
@@Global-activist-reporter she was valide sultan
Valide hurrem sultana
I know that the series is based more on hurrem and wants us to side with her. But the comment section on this channel is extremely biased to her it's ridiculous . Apparently she is allowed to do all these crimes against others, while others are criticized for it . At least she loved her children I will give her that better than kosem. I still can't forgive her involvement with Ibrahim and mostafa death. They had flaws but I do believe they were loyal and cared for the sultan. Ultimately it was suliemans fault for making that choice.
I couldn't agree more, mate
Lol what? They started everything so why not? She did well and that's the truth you can support mahidevil all you want and that son of hers.
You are mahidevilbiasedto her
@@DimSK. You can be a fan of Hurrem and still be critical of her actions. I always thought she was an interesting character but got worse as the series went on. I never claimed mahidevhran was a saint but in the end she completely lost everything. The only son who ever loved. She was all alone from the start. Mostafa was innocent . Ibrahim may have been too cocky and ambitious but I truly believe he cared for the sultan and would put his life on the line for him.
@@lisaadams693 well I see what you said about Ibrahim and mustafa
Everybody became aged with time but why not Sumbal ?
He knew but it was too late now..
There's a mistake on both sides Suleiman could prevent it, he didn't, Hurrem helped to kill Mustafa, but because of survival of her children but anyway how they ascend to the throne is cruel and unfair the last prince who stayed alive was Selim the worst choice for the ottoman empire throne, I wished to see Mehmet or Bayezid or Gihankir on the throne not Selim
blame the dynasty for practicing fratricide
@@michellerenee92580 Selim I literally stayedi in the paalce and had whores every night. sorry but its true. Suleiman executed Bayazeid for revolting, which is dumb, suleiman was almost on his death bed when he executed bayazeid without thinking long term about the empire,
Suiliman should have just said yes or no to hurrem did you kill mustafa not listen to her poetry.
Hürrem:
"No. You did it"
😂😂
Truth be told, Mustafa was a threat to Suleiman. He always claimed that he would never go against his father but he surrounded himself with people who plotted his taking the throne. Even against his own wishes he was invariably being moved to overthrow his father. If Suleiman had not had Mustafa killed, Mustafa would have eventually killed his father.
Exactly, Mustafa was not innocent and the show did a poor job making him so so sweet and just while making Hurrem and Sultan Suleiman evil and unjust smh. It’s sad that Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent and his legal wife Hurrems Sultans love story played out to be a tragedy. I would’ve love to see more unity, trust and devotion for the two but brutality sells.
ur wrong
If talking about the show, killing Mustafa didn’t spare hurrem's children of a bad future. Selim plotted and killed his own brother. The kids also. I never saw Selim fit as a Sultan. Bayezid and Mustafa were much better hence people and soldiers loved them. About Suleyman he was an insecure person in the show. If my sons had been this popular and good I would be happy for bright future
@@samiasultana44
Killing Mustafa was not about safeguarding Hurrem’s children. Suleiman was protecting himself from his son. As far as the remaining deaths, that was always destined since only one son can remain so no threat exists to the reigning Sultan. I am not convinced Selim was the best one to inherit the throne but the way they played it out on the tv show, he was the only one that Suleiman felt he could trust. Keep in mind that we as the audience were privy to information that Suleiman did not have. I think Bayezid would have made a decent ruler but that is not how history records it. In all honesty, the best man typically is not the ruler because the things needed to secure the throne are typically not honorable or just.
@@samiasultana44 and would be die in peace bcos you hv a bright successor..
What kind of rubbish answer she gave
Hurem was the real devil here and don't you forget it!!!!
Glad to see someone is sane in this comment section
It would have been better if Suleiman would have communicated with Mustafa before execution just like how he spoke to hurrem
I think she's just wonderful, the great embodiment of Hurrem in later life
The beginning of the End for ottomans
Indirectly she accepted 😊
Sultan BAYEZIED iii ,Sultan MUSTAFA, SULTAN THEY BEST CHANGIR ♥ ❤ 👌
There one thing which is make big different between hurrem and kosem... Hurrem just a normal women who loyal to sulaeman, and brave to do anything to keep the power of her loved ones. I believe that if there a must she would kill own son for keep sulaeman on the throne if one of them had nerve to rebel, as kosem she just doing everything to keep power and control for herself. Not for state nor dinasty either.
I still doesn't get it with sulaeman act. She ask hurrem about his action? I admit maybe hurrem involved in this as like her involved ibrahim pasa death. But that really small portion. Sulaeman still hold the biggest part in that. He's regent, he's the one who decided to believe or not about mustafa betrayal. Simply like his decision to take mustafa life out or not
For Hurrem her love and her children come first while for Kosem the dynasty and the sultanate come first. That’s the difference. Had Hurrem been like Kosem who cared for power first and foremost she would have reigned over the world. But power and crown meant nothing to her without Suleiman.
he was an absolute monarch even if hurrem said anything to him he still held ALL the power
Terrible man! He killed his own children and grandchildren😢!
I think everybody had their chances to grow and be nice to each whatever they went through they deserved
If we were in their place am not sure how we would have handled it mahidevran had chances to win Suleiman but she was filled with anger and revenge and did not act wisely as hurrem did mahadevan was way too dumb during that era and ibrahim and Mustafa they should have thought about their future being before plotting against the king it's clearly shown that if Mustafa dint kill his father or brothers people around him will do it either way and make him king, when hurrem came mahidevran had revenge in her mind but when others came in hurrems way more than revenge she knew exactly how to avoid without much mess
Am sure she did her best way to survive so far and to be known as so powerful
No other women in ottaman days were as powerful as hurrem she had her own ways unlike others
Am not saying she is all good but what else she could have done in those era she had to act accordingly even others in the palace dint behave good to her
How clever she is
And that is the cool way to say. ' I did it but everyone take part on in too, even the same mustafa, even the same sultan' 👌🤘😎
Hurrem won the battle with mahedevran because she had more kid's
Mustapha wasn't a saint eight, I hated the way he threatened Hurrem with her children. He shouldn't have allowed his mother's hatred for Hurrem cloud his judgment and make him despise her too. I hated when Sulaiman made Hurrem apologize to Mustapha just to prove to Mustapha that he can rule Hurrem. Hurrem's fault in all of this simply remains fighting for her survival first and her children's later.
Suleyman: *kills Mustafa*
Suleyman: IS IT YOUR FAULT, HURREM?
According to history the relationship between mustafa and his brothers were great beyazid even accepted that he will accept mustafa as sultan 😅
7:21 She gave a brilliant 🤔🤔🤔🤔 reply, 😃LOL.
It was a war for survival the weak dies and the strong survives
Mustafa is far better than his step brothers
half brothers. And no Mehmed is better.
No he is not, Mehmed and Bayazid are wayyy better
@@tamaralogar3749 no. Mehmed died so young, and Bayazyd is an angry Child.
@@izas5768 the fact that mehmed died and bayezid was mad at one point does not invalidate or in anyway counterpoints my statememt that they were better. Mustafa was executed because he was a naive, blind idiot. Soo how about that? He wasn't smart or he would have played this essentially game of his life much smarted. He trusted and relied on people who were dumb and didn't recognize how stupid it was to go face to face with a much powerful player like Hurrem, who literally had the sultan's ear at her back and call. But I blame his mother. She was the biggest idiot and got him killed in the end. It is said that an ottoman prince and his path on the throne and ability to keep that throne i dependant on his mother's abblilities from the background. Hurrem was capable and smart and when she died she was smart enough to raise a daughter like Mihrimah who was able to take the role of Valide sultan of Selim. That was smart. Her daughter in law Nurbanu followed that example and soo did the Haseki sultanas thereafter. Hurrem literally started the era of sultanas. Mahidevran? Was an idiot who thought only of herself and her feelings instead of the safety and prosperity of her only son. She had it better from the beggining...she literally the firstborn son who was somewhat smart, capable and caring in the begginig, and better yet he was popular. But her stupid mistakes and jealousy of Hurrem got he disliked by the sultan and her son literally banished to a far off province. Please don't kid yourself. This is about the mothers and Hurrem was far far far superior.
@@izas5768facts bayazyd was also a drunk too
Valide sultan told the truth to Suleiman.
How could Sulyman world power be so manipulated into killing his own son
In good or bad but always honest Hurem. Of course she was forced to work against side that would kill her children, Mahidevran did kill her first prince already, but he was jealous on his own son for a long time, suspicious and death as final decision was his. He can't blame anyone. He could find other solutions of course
I think this accusation was unfair. Mustafa would eventually have overthrown Suleiman and he made so many mistakes that made his ambition clear to Suleiman. He plotted with Ibrahim who also wanted that kind of power.
He wasn't magnificent from what was shown in the series but just an unintelligent emotional man who danced to the tunes and slanders of Hurrem. He was her puppet
And your loving husband killed your son and another one helped him who was also yous son🤗🤗
Suleiman can't do anything to her anymore, she's valide sultan and immune to him
Suleiman is the sultan. He can have ANYONE killed ANYTIME.
The fact that he loves Hurrem enough not to do so doesn't mean that he can't do it
@@user-ob4sq6fi3s he can't. His reign is almost over she's above now as valide sultan on next sultan. People won't let it happen.
@@DimSK. hah. People don't have a say in the matter. The sultan's will is unquestionable. It's a crime to even discuss his wishes and commands. Suleiman had made that pretty clear.
@@user-ob4sq6fi3s ha future sultan cases tell otherwise. No matter who Suleiman is, the dignity of dynasty and rules must be followed
@@DimSK. if we're talking about Kosem's sons who literaly have to stnad in a perfect line whenever she was coming across, or Selim who was far too busy drinking and chasing after girls, then sure.
Hurrem litteraly confessed that she made him kill...
Grausame Zeit und grausame Menschen.
it should have not been about who'd be the king instead the best person should have been chosen by sulaiman and hurrem if they were actually loyal to the dynasty. Mustafa should have killed his father sulaiman the same way sulaiman poisoned his father salim I.
Why didn't they keep the original hurrem and just make her look older like everyone else?
I really think this actress does a better job of later life Hurrem...
This is how the ottoman empire started falling
I like the original hurrem
Hurrem cant even admit what she did
Just put the blame on others
You are hurrem sultan fan dude I know you can do better. What is this? Also why you returned??
Hi I am ShosssshoLocooo BOT! I took Sarah’s account. I always write liies on Hurrem.
I know she was most powerful Sultana and loved Suleiman, her children and family the most. She was best mother and wiife. Hurrem was always loyall to Suleiman and always protected her family. She never wanted power or throne, only safety for her family.
Mahidevran was a conncubine and died as Hatun, she never had power and never loved her son, she only wanted power and used Mustafa for it. She started all and killled Mehmet for power.
I am crying as BOT! bwaaabwaaaa
She does to herself though.
Most ''evil' woman does the same. They always project the blame on others, and play nice but deep inside they are ones who do all the dirty deeds.
@@mdarifulislamhridoy9147 Hurrem never blamed Suleiman botttt! She said she was not lnnocent and Suleiman wasn’t as well! Learn to listen!
Suleiman killled Mustafa, not Hurrem!
When did Mahidevran admit killing Mehmet? Bottt
Maybe hurrem slandered prince mustafa.
Wat nonsense she says that everything is Suleiman s even leaves will not fall if he wish.this can't be words of a believer.which fool wrote these dialogues?
He is the self-described shadow of Allah upon the Earth
@@alorr5751 a king is so means he must be obeyed n respected in just matters the counter will lead to anarchy
Wasn't those dialogues hurrem said,after suleiman asked her if she was involved in mustafa's death, those dialogues are great great shirk.... All of the properties, everything, people, all of the things are only Allah's properties...not any emperor's, everything is only belongs to Allah
Suleman was ajust ruler,then why he killed mihramah and hurem
Why y'all forgot what mahidevran did to mehmet?
So true! It's kind a she (mahidevran) is innocent, they forgot who started it first. She tried to poisoning hurrem while hurrem was pregnant with mehmet.
This is my question too there are lots of people in prison who have done far less harm
Hebelievesher
Wow she doesnttelltruth
Againsulybelievesher
She leveled suleyman with the god and yet people worship her
Süleyman şok, Süleyman iptal
She made issues too far
N again n again put her words in sulaiman's ears
Even k*** hus own grandson like seriously suleiman 😮
Its funny to see how some people in the comment section blame hürrem.she never started the war and Ibrahim wasn't loyal at all, if he could have, he would have took the place of Suleman.He always had fantasies about people bowing down or kneeling in front of his memorial.He lied multiple times to Suleman and the only reason he came so far at the end was because of The marriage he had.
IF thats what u call loyal 😅i don't know what else to say
He was prideful because he had even given his life to protect Suleiman. But he never imagined to betray sultan. Don't you blockheads know. Whome Suleiman calle before dying? Ibrahim n not hurrem. What a tight slap. Vaginas can blind men only for sometime. Real love n friendship always outshines
Hurem destroyed all empires 🥲
What?
True, because of her greed
@@nabilarahman180 No? She didn't 'destroy the Ottoman empire' and that claim is bad enough and just pseudohistory. But OP said ALL EMPIRES. So I guess they think she ended the Roman and Mongol empires too. Somehow.
I’m continuing the story . I am finding Kosem as way way smarter than Hurrem!! Brainy Kosem!!!
@@danielsgzzawi6090 They're both smart. But Nurgül's Kösem in particular (far more than season 1 Kösem).
"the king of the kings" has zero responsibility and accountability, typical. First of all he's responsible for everything he does not anyone else, secondly, hurrem still had a reason they forced women to fight for their children's lives, what do u expect. Suleiman had no reason, he was paranoid, power hungry and insecure of his own son. Mustafa was loved and suleyman was old, there never had been a case in ottomans when the ruler is so old that his son already has grown a full beard. Suleiman was selfish, killed his competent son and wanted to rule while he's greying for the sake of power, he's literally not competent in this age, one foot in grave and he's out here killing competent heirs as if he doesn't have maximum 5 years left on this earth
Hürrem is so right.
? With what? She's so bad, Mustafa was Innocent.
I don't want love like hurrem's love it's f toxic
He is not God and she did kill Mustafa with the help of Rustom Pasha. If those in power have a right to do what they want they should legalize murder theft everything in a country . They have no right to punish others
The reason no one liked her at the time
Forgive me for saying this but geez in a lot of these actors I see Greek faces. Suleiman reminds me of my spiritual father in heaven Ephraim of Arizona. A Hieromonk.
Sulieman considered mustafa a direct rival to his throne and a threat so he eliminated him . Everythjng else is irrelevant. There is a reason why Sulieman prefered selim as an heir to everybody else because he wasnt taken seriously by the army and was non threatening to Sulieman
Her answer was nothing, tell me straight was it her fault ? Is she killer of prince
Sultan.sulaiman killed mustafa💔his own father because of hurrem
Both, suleiman and hurrem are the killers