How to install a boxed gutter
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- čas přidán 24. 05. 2015
- Gday Team,
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There are MANY different ways to construct box gutters & they NEED to be built well otherwise they leak and go EVERYWHERE.
Here is a quick vid on the way we ran our box gutter tray through the frame and how we went about splitting the fall, trimming back the waste side, pop riveting & a couple extra AWESOME TIPS .
If you have any questions about the video please comment or personal message me and I'll get back to you.
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I need one with metal framing, a butterfly roof, commercial .. this is good though thanks
Gday Angie,
this Video is a good place to begin yet the detail of your commercial roof will have its own specifications and details that will need to be adhered to.
Every roof and area has to be built in accordance with the approved plans and regulations.
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joe joe
That joint is amazing, will be perfect for a life time and + one year :D
thanks Imre
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In California we call this inlaid gutter. Our box gutter is a bit different. I'm a sheet metal/metal roof/ all gutter type installer . I wouldn't pop rivet that laps, that's asking for a potential leak.
Gday Chris Compton,
Thanks for your feed back, its always Bonza to get the different ways people from around the world do their site/construction works.
As for the pop riveting tip, ill look into this.
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uncle joe joe
Its definitely riveted the video just doesnt show it, he's sealing over them in the end there
hey Chris I'd love to know how you do it in California! please see my comment above, picking up on what you're saying here about pop rivets and leaks
@@suetheron4495 you can rivet the vertical section of the gutter but as for the lower inside I always solder due to the fact of it lasts much longer than caulking and prevention of future leaks. I never rivet the bottom cause I can break through the water proofing under the gutter, that will give you a future leak. Soldering is the way to go with out rivets on the bottom face.
@@clearnoisesounds4390 that makes heaps of sense to solder the seam, I wouldnt be happy with just silicone. Yes the underside of rivets are rough. I notice in this video however they don't waterproof or use a membrane. There also must be flashing details to help reduce the risk of water spashing back into the roof space. I just found this italian website - good cad details for "internal gutters" using flashing folds and even a double-gutter system (maybe overkill) etc www.zintek.it/en/downloads/technical-drawings/
I am interested in your construction of the supporting portion of the gutter. Did you build the overhang to act as a torsion box? I work for an architectural firm and I recently did a design using the torsion box with the upper skin acting in tension to prevent the outer edge from sagging on a rebuild project. The overhang was 22 inches out from the face of brick. How did you brace the overhang to prevent the outer edge where the gutter is from sagging in the future? My overhang had snow conditions so drift was a concern. The carpenter would not construct it as a designed it.
Gday Gary,
im not sure of the torsion box detail/meaning. ive never heard of a torsion box in this type of construction.
the construction of the box gutter has a support beam on each side of the boxed area with trimmers and supporting members tying it all together. the support beams span 5.1 mtrs ( 17 foot) from load point to load point.
once finished off there is a 200kg (440LB) downward pressure
hope that helps
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uncle joe joe
The main roof was a mansard that had 22 inch slightly pitched overhangs which had the yakee gutters. Basically it is the same as what you built (ladder) except I put 3/4" plywood skins on the top and bottom so the overhang would take the snow load. The inside 2x6 of the ladder running parallel with the house was thru bolted to the existing brick masonry. The top skin being in tension and the bottom skin in compression would keep the overhang from sagging away from the building. How did you keep the overhang from sagging at the box gutter?.
I am trying to bypass my box gutters. I live in an 1870 Italianate Victorian, and the copper box gutters have all but rusted away, leaving extensive soffit and fascia damage in it's wake. They have been patched, glued, and rubber lined over the years (before I bought the house) to no avail. I am at my wits end! Now, I am hoping to frame them out, and then run shingles all the way to edge of the roof and install more modern, traditional gutters. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!
Gday Joseph Cardoni,
thanks for your message. the flashing of today, if done correctly, will last well over 70 years yet Its sounds like you suffer from multiple ex-contractor syndrome, also known as MES.
What you are entailing to do is a grrrrreat way to go about it, pull off the works as far back as you can and re-create the area to work with the new needs of the home and the future extremities the home will need to combat at the same time as ensuring the roofing and flashing is securely fastened ad nfitted guaranteeing water tightness.
The BEST PLAN of attack is to get someone in that deals with this in your AREA and is well informed about whats on the market. Even if you want to do the work yourself, offer to pay them for their time to come out and look at it and give you the best course of action inc materials to use.
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uncle joe joe
Great advice, Uncle Joe Joe! Thank you! Fortunately, I do have a few roofing contractor buddies that will tackle this for me. We have been discussing this for about a year now. We did do one gutter with rubber roofing liner and that seems to be holding okay up a few years later. However, I do know it's only temporary. When I first moved in, I had a lot the soffit and fascia (original wood from 1870) replaced and painted. I just thought it was rotten from age. Well, stupid me, being unfamiliar with box gutters, I didn't realize that the rot was being caused by the leaky box gutters. I few trips up to my walk-up attic conformed this. We could see the rotten box gutters lying in the soffit. So, a few years later I am back to square one again. But this time it will be done right.
We recently had a downpour of about 36 straight hours in the Chicago area. The box gutters simply could not handle it. Not only did it create new, extensive, to the soffit and fascia, the water actually started to run between my exterior and interior walls in the front of the house. From the gutters, down through the attic, down through the second floor, and all the way down to the first floor! This pool was about 8 feet wide, and would up coming down to the living room, and out of my front picture window frame! I stood there in disbelief as I watched water actually streaming down the inside of my window, and on the interior ledge and floor! That's when I sad enough is enough with these gutters! Had to take down the blinds, the outside storm windows, move furniture inside the house, and put buckets in place until it stopped. Not to mention the cleanup. A nightmare indeed!
I will keep you posted! We are supposed to start this project in the next few weeks once the weather warms up a bit. Thanks again for the great advice!! Incidentally, the photo next to my name is indeed the house I speak of. : )
Gday Again Joseph Cardoni,
There are many people that pay top dollar for a water feature inside, you got one for free !!!!!
WOWSERS what an amazing house, i would lurrrrve to work on this with you and give complement tot he craftsman that worked on it in times past. These are my favorite types of projects.
It is an art form to take
an existing structure and re-create with the understanding of how it was built,
and to pay tribute to its previous workmanship with complimentary quality.
Please keep us informed of how you go or better still let me know before you start construction and we'll see if there is a way fro me to make a trip over to help out.
stay awesome
uncle joe joe
Uncle Joe Joe! I would love for you guys to be on-site! That would be awesome! And you are so right! The craftsmanship that went into these old Victorian homes was absolutely incredible. Built with such pride and love! The fact that they are still standing some 150 years later is a testament to that! I live in an amazing, beautiful Historical District in Indiana not far from Chicago. I feel we are just temporary stewards of these old homes. I feel it is my duty and honor to leave this home in better shape than when I first moved in, and hopefully the next owner will do the same. I feel it would be a sin not to! But I plan on being here for a long time! I'm only 55! Yes, it's a costly labor of love at times, but the rewards, sense of pride, and compliments you get from others are more than worth it! I love my old home! : )
Unfortunately, the old box gutters aren't too popular here in the States anymore. It's hard to find contractors who will even come out to take a look at them. My box gutters actually have a rounded bottom to them, so we referred to them as "trough" gutters. I really do like the look of them, and I really do want to pay homage to the historical integrity of the home. Sadly, sometimes circumstances won't allow for it, but we are going to do our best to try to stay true to historical form.
I will definitely update you real soon! Thanks again!
@@josephcardoni5183 on this boat right now. Did you ever tackle the job?
so how exactly is the box gutter fixed/fastened to the base/structure? do you have a more detailed install from start to finish?
through the base, we just screw it down..... not really, through the sides at the top where the next cap flashing sits over it
is there a flashing detail of the overlapped join between the two halves of the box gutter that DOESN'T rely on silicone? What happens when the silicone fails in a few years - and it will. Silicones and mastics are expected to last 10 years max especially under UV. Is there an inspection point so that the gutter can be inspected for leaks underneath? Or flashing overlaps and folds?
Gday Sue,
Thanks for your question. there is a combination of alternative joining methods to HOLD the over lap in place such as folds & collars or pop rivets etc yet the silicon is there as a SEAL to ensure that the water doesn't slip through.
Advances in silicons have made leaps and bounds over the years & its AMAZING how long some silicons can last in the Australian sun without breaking down.
#stayawesome
joe joe
hence the purpose of running 3 lines of silicone. There are two lines of silicone un exposed to UV. This will last longer than the steel itself
Not to spoil it for you guys but my box gutter looks exactly like that, i have had issues with it for 7 years now. I’m so frustrated as the roofer comes around and try fixing it but every winter my inside wall is wet and the framework and insulation is soaking wet again. What do I do ? I personally think the box gutter should go up under the roof on both sides at least 100 mill or have a curl inwards ( into the gutter itself )
How do I go with this ongoing issue ?
I have sold my house but the problem is still there , so where do I complain ?
Want to sort it before settlement date
I thought a box gutter that length would need an expansion joint to prevent oil caning?
there's one in the middle yet the two ends are also free to expand slightly
How do we put concealed gutters on a pitched roof
DO NOT DO IT.... concealed gutters are a BIG problem
Joe Joe the wolverine.
Thanks Faki,
hope youre enjoying your carpentry course
"Pretty baddass cutting that tin plate with bare hands, mate, I am even more.....I use my TEETH!" -the Joker
Here to please
Seriously though, lucky clients who get your skills working on their projects!
Thanks HEEEAPS Mark,
30 years in the industry....you'd hope i'd have learnt a thing or two 🤣😂
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Uncle joe joe
What is the height of the inside of your gutter is 45mm high enough
Gday Arron,
100mm (4") at the lowest point and then deeper from there.
every place has their own set of standards and recommendation and here in Melbourne 75mm is the lowest you can go.
the width is also something that needs to be taken into consideration along with the over flow.
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joe joe
You went overboard with the silicone there, the birds won't mind it 😂 at least you won't have to go back to fix any leaks
Rather be looking at it then looking for it... nothing worse than only doing the bare minimum and having to come back to repair it
Where is you but shes metal in that shape? All I can find is normal gutters and sheet metal.
Gday Jo Woo,
You will need to get this folded to suit your project.
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Uncle joe joe
horrible horrible product design and install procedure. not hating on these guys, they are clearly very competant, its just so archaic and these systems never last long before decay, rust etc.. ive had a colorbond box gutter for 7 years, nothing but trouble
Thanks for your input Newie.
We go back to our projects regularly if we can and look over the build to see what works and what doesn't and improve on our systems as often as possible.
That being said, we have used this system for the last 15 years, and although there have been a few problems, all in all these have all performed VERY well with very little show of wear and tear.
there can be signs of rust and decay is the roofing plumber has cut the roof or metal with a grinder, we only us trills and tin snips to minimize any chance of rust.
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uncle joe joe
Is this 2mm tin sheeting? I sort agree with the bloke but tbf if the product is installed properly I can see it lasting I'm from North Yorkshire England and we use alot of lead sheet and if layed and soldered property in the right coad of lead for the job it is unbeatable. Enjoyed the vidio thanks 👍
Gday @@barrydewhirst3947
Thanks for the feed back buddie, much appreciated for your input and it would be bonza to see how you do it!!
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uncle joe joe
box gutters are the dumbest thing you could add to your house
lots and lots of people have them.... if you install them properly you shouldn't have any problems
@@BeowulfBuilders why? they hold water rust out then you need to take capping and roofing off to replace them, and yes you could give them some fall but why not just avoid them all together, because ten years laters some person has a drip in their roof and it cost way more to fix.
agreed, if they are not installed properly they are a problem.
i have installed many over the years and never had a problem to date