How Good is Camping? Camp Skills Tier List: Darkest Dungeon
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
- Camping may not seem impactful at times, but it's a great feature that has a lot of usage such as healing, buffs, scouting and the like.
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0:00 Intro
0:59 Generic Skills
1:29 Abomination
3:31 Antiquarian
6:07 Arbalest
9:29 Bounty Hunter
12:27 Crusader
15:32 Flagellant
19:04 Grave Robber
20:45 Hellion
22:49 Houndmaster
24:00 Highwayman
26:19 Jester
28:45 Leper
31:32 Man-at-Arms
34:59 Occultist
37:24 Plague Doctor
39:26 Shieldbreaker
42:24 Vestal
49:00 Bottom 10
54:49 Top 10 & Outro - Hry
Bounty Hunter's "This is How We Do It" icon looks to me like a fist being put in the palm of another hand, like he's getting ready to Rock, Scissors, Paper. I'm definitely probably sure that's it!
People (atleast in cartoons) do that when they figured something out. Fits BH because he is supposed to be crafty in the ways of murder.
Correct
Yeap, that's how you do it
That's also what I see!
I thought it was obvious...? Yet I don't know why, I don't recall ever seeing that gesture, cartoon or not.
This Is How We Do It is the funniest camp skill to me because Bounty Hunter only buffs himself. He's going over these plans like "okay, this is how we're going to do it" but nobody else is listening and he's just psyching himself up.
Omg, I love this!
he just fucking repeats "aim for the head aim for the head" to himself
This is one of the best headcanons ever
I think he's just bragging
This is how I do it
Can't wait for the tierlist tierlist.
Also Grave Robber and Highwayman have Gallows Humor because they were both in prison/sentenced to death by hanging.
Not exactly a tier list, but I would actually be interested in hearing your thoughts on each of the afflictions and virtues, which ones are the worst and best to get and perhaps a per character basis.
I'll be honest, i've never noticed such a big difference between them. My thought process is "oh fuck, i got afflicted" or "oh fuck yeah, i got virtuous", the specific name of the thing doesn't change too much. Most of them (maybe all) of the afflictions will have the afflicted person cause stress to the others, a lot of them involve passing turns, a lot involve harming themselves or others, a lot involve moving forward or back, a lot involve making a random move without my input. Same with virtuous, a lot of them (probably all) involve removing some stress from the party, a few heal, a few... i have way less experience with virtues than with afflictions for obvious reasons. If we're including the crimson curse in there i'd say all the virtues i've gotten so far are equally good, then i'd argue the crimson curse also counts as an affliction/virtue more than a disease (especially in bloodlust mode) and is worse than a virtue but better than an affliction, then rapturous for the flag is worse than the curse but better than generic afflictions, then every affliction is about on par in terms of fucking up my day. That said quick question, can the flagellant get virtuous? If so does he have a specific virtue or the generic ones? I don't have that much experience with him.
@@bonogiamboni4830 Some afflictions, specifically Fearful, Selfish and Abusive, never refuse friendly skills, so they're easier to cure mid-dungeon. I, therefore, consider them the less bad afflictions. Abusive also gives +damage, so it's a contender for the least bad affliction. Masochistic is also not too bad because it doesn't skip turns and doesn't reduce your damage or accuracy.
On the other hand, Irrational can do every stupid thing afflictions can do, so it's the worst imo.
@@Ironsuaba ok now that you mention it i remember irrational being absolutely bullshit. It's balanced out by having the best lines though.
Sanctuary has saved my party in 2nd Darkest Dungeon. Three dudes were low hp with mortality debuffs and Vestal was like: "Can we talk about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? " And entire party is patched up and level was completed two fights later. Incredibly situational camp skill, but when it works - it's SSS tier
It’s definitely a good one to throw on when the dungeon has been kicking your ass
0:10 Quotes tier list (for memes) and soundtrack tier list (serious) are my suggestions
Every Ancestor quote is amazing tho
Restring crossbow is easly an S, you can actually remove that debuff using herbs
Didn't know you could remove that debuff. Makes it a lot better for sure
I know this comento is really old, but you are not supposed to cure the speed debuff it gives you, having less speed can be usefull to make sure your arbalest goes after whoever else is in your party thats supposed to mark target, making it so you can mark and shoot the marked guy since first round, its really usefull since buff gives you dmg and crit already, that plus the mark is meant to oneshot or ay least leave target low just yo be executed by someone else, making it so you can finish off quick and move on to another target next round repeating the mark and shoot trick
@@ununicorniocon2gbderam787 my trick was having arbalest shot before target makes move, but yes, if the guy who applies mark does not have a lot of speed, then having debuff stay is a good strategy
In a weird twist of fate, Sandstorm is fantastic for a zone you rarely camp in. The court. You put Sandstorm on your squishy or your dedicated back liner who can’t be marked/stressed/pulled ( by the sycophants enraging slight ) and the courtesans. You could maybe get away with it general Warrens or Weald thanks to the Fungal Artillery, maybe, but yeah it’s a very niche card to play.
Here is truth about camping skills. I almost always take heroes to dungeon because I like team composition and camping skills are secondary to me. Certain heroes are good in certain location or they create good combo with other heroes. I don't look too much at camping skills when I choose team. Saying that, you posted another very good video mate. 👍
I agree, though I try to have every team have a skill that prevents nighttime ambushes because I hate being ambushed.
I have to agree with that! I have o lot taken certain folks just for camp skills (man at arms) when needed but overall I pick the team I want and then make the most out of the skills available. Being ambushed sucks so I do try and have someone to prevent that
9:45 It is a fist and hand, both gloved, hand on bottom with fist hitting it from above. Like a hand motion to emphasize "this is how we do it"
26:03 it's called "bandits sense" as in like someone with "common sense" like he has the sense to do something smart and protecting the group by setting up a tripwire to alert them to intruders.
Abilities: *Gives any stats*
Shuffle: "It's S-tier"
Whoa whoa whoa. I put Bless lower, and it gave stats D:
5% prot can shave off chip damage, which can add up, so Pray is a perfectly fine skill if you don't have better options.
Yup, statically removes at least one point of damage from every roll.
@@qwormuli77 to be fair, for 5% prot to remove 2 damage you need to be hit for at least 21, which isn't exactly common, but even 1 dmg adds up over a quest
35:09 okay, how did I never notice that connection between the Occultist and Shambler?! Seriously, first there was "Thrice-Damned" Mizir, then the two of them fighting in his backstory in 2...
(Mockery) “you can use this to hit abomination…”
Can people PLEASE leave Abom alone, he’s a good boy and he’s doing his best; he’s had a rough time, stop picking on him
"This Is How We Do It" - Montell Jordan
"Night Moves" - Bob Seger
"Every Rose Has It's Thorn" - Poison
Any other music buffs pick up on this?
Tier list idea: pozitive/negative quirks
I always make a point to use Gallows Humor before any other stress heals, since the RNG on it determines what you should do from there.
Of course there was that one time when it stressed all 3 of my allies, that wasn't great...
Next up: Jewel tier list???
Not a very long one but i think it'd be cool. But it ever happens, i know EXACTLY where citrine is going (spoilers: F Tier)
Did u know that there was supposed to be a camp skill called "hobby"? It was suppose to be -15 stress for yourself. There are still barks for every character in the game files.
I found out through a reddit post online. The barks are really fun.
Shuff never seeing hands before is a classic (bh skills)
I believe you considered most of the skills in their best possible scenario. Like Revel that is amazing in the end of a dungeon but close to useless if you're forced to camp earlier.
I believe that is the reason why there so many high tier skills
I love Revel, and often use it mid-dungeon. All it takes is four medicinal herbs to clear the debuffs. Like aspirin for the hangover :) I always plan and buy them when provisioning so its never a big deal.
@@annmariet67 But then... Is it really worth at this point? It will cost a bunch of money and the item slot
@@biancalages1431 I guess that depends on the mission and player choice. I find on Stygian that the stress removal and stress resist buff are worth the herb price, but I do tend to oversupply my teams. I always carry herbs to clear nasty debuffs and take 4 extra if I think I will use this skill mid dungeon. It also depends on the team since there may be other options. I view it as 4 Encourage and almost 4 Pep Talks all for 4 points and some money spent on supplies :)
@@biancalages1431 At the price point of 4 herbs it's similar in cost to a stress reduction activity, only you can also still take the hero out on a mission
@@KonoGufo My biggest point about it is that it is still inferior in many ways to other skills and would cost money
Unparalleled Finesse not top 10???? Dismas is gonna get angry at you for sure
Sacrilegious
Lash's Anger is the worst. You're better off hitting Rest with a point unspent. It's pure penalty.
"The burden must be borne by all!" *SMACK!* Vestal is at Death's door.
Exactly. Plus it’s pretty bad design to have a skill like that which is actually linked to a trinket you may or may not have. The other skills have uses and situational utility: this one only relates to a specific build with a specific trinket. Very, very bad.
@@steveharrison76 wait, what trinket? The one that gives more damage when stressed?
Maybe a fashion tierlist? 😗
You could rate the progression of the Armor and Weapons of the heroes, from battered clothes to the named version. Talk about if you like the visual design of the equipment, the progression, and the final, named version in comparison to the other ones.
I'm guessing not much to talk about mechanically, other than maybe which heroes take priority when upgrading, if you are low on gold to upgrade everyone before a mission.
Could be more of a lighthearted tierlist, where you just get to vibe over the heroe's fashion sense and their cool outfits
♥And there's some funny stuff in there too, like how the graverobber's first jacket is a stolen jacket, or that the occultist gets better and better skulls 🤣Like, what the hell is a "fine skull" supposed to be??
I, for one, appreciate the details they put into it, even tho it's just upgraded equipment.
I think a list like this for all the combat skills in the game would be cool, too!
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43:30 Mix of avoidance and acc.
The one time I conciously pressed that button was when I had an SB with the Natural quirk and no quirks or trinket to increase ACC.
As for Vestal getting the words skills, well she also gets the only two skills that people might argue as mandatory.
Omg i waited for this so long, can't wait for this.
Also, here are all the uses of Lash's Anger:
Activate that 85+ stress buff from a trinket, idk which one
I know that I am nearly 2 years late with this, but I have seen this in a few videos now. The damage modifier of a skill is multiplicative with a buff. So no, grapshot with 40% extra damage is not 0.9, but 0.7.
feel like unparalleled finesse is just the best camp skill
Idk I think you're a bit biased on that one. :P
@@girolamoesposito6131 Are they though? The context is that he gets accuracy, speed, dodge, speed, *and* damage. The accuracy is indrectly a small crit buff as something has to hit for it to crit anyway, damage gets him more stress heals from kills, dodge lets riposte be completely free way more often, and highwayman going first or second is rarely that disruptive to most teams.
Can't wait for that tier list of tier lists
Quirk tier list, perhaps one list for negative and one for positive!
I love camping! Its so fun to have a run going well, camp to buff your team, get woken up by enemies who totally ruin the entire run! So fun!!
44:44
Chant is actually good when you press it on flag. The real problem is that when you already have a flag, you can use him as a main healer and go full offensive, therefore not picking vestal could be somewhat more effective, althrough honestly it's just a style preferense.
In DD missions, however, where damage and stress (especially on torchless) have insane values, this can be proven useful.
Favorite person who comments on your videos tier list :)
I never understood why the heroes can prepare themselves so well while camping in the middle of a dungeon, but don't do those preparations before leaving off for the dungeon.
Like, they usually have a whole week, where they probably do nothing while another party is out adventuring. Hellion could have sharpened her spear and gone into her battle trance, man-at-arms could have given everyone some basic pointers in tactics, Arbalest could have given everyone her marching plan before they leave, Crusader could have given everyone a huge pep talk before the start...
I guess the idea is that they replenish themselves in the middle of the adventure, but it just feels weird that the boosts they get from camping are not there when they start the dungeon, as if they just went without doing the proper preparations, and then decided to do their maintenance while they are in the dungeon.
Of course it would be very unbalanced, but I would find it cool if they started out with those buffs in the beginning of the dungeon. Like, highwayman, you could have cleaned your guns before you left home.
i would love to see a team tier list which team setup is the best
I use mockery to virtue check during camping in endless, I dont think it has uses outside of that but I think that that makes it B tier at minimum
I usually press it on leper/abom since they can heal it easily whenever they need it. Downside being is to consciously demean those poor souls
Skills that have a benefit for afflicted heroes should always work. Otherwise the benefit is not a benefit.
Let me tell you a small story that might make sanctuary a better thing
I'm on Bloodmoon with the 2nd mission(first time!!) of the last location with Vestal, Highwayman, Houndmaster, Occultist(their positioning is respective to the order that I put it in) and then Occultist dies way too early after the first miniboss and all 3 of my surviving characters have reached death's door and I'm all out of food. I then set up camp and use Sanctuary which just absolutely SAVES everyone. In a scenario like that when a mission is going horribly wrong but you seriously think you can still beat it, Sanctuary is an absolute life-saver!!
Also funny note: all 3 of my characters wound up being virtuous(cuz I like bringing Tentacle idol and ring) and beat the other 2(3) minibosses by just spamming divine comfort, grapeshot blast and hound's harry. It might sound insane but RNG does crazy things sometimes.
Top 10: Marching Plan, Tactics, Snuff Box, Tiger's Eye, Hound's Watch, Reflection, Nightmoves, Sharpen Spear, Dark Strength & Trinket Scrounge. S-Rank: Anger Management, The Quickening, Strange Powders, Restring Crossbow / Clean Musket, This Is How We Do It, Planned Takedown, Stand Tall, Zealous Speech, Lash's Cure, Lash's Solace, Gallows Humor, Battle Trance, Revel, Unparalleled Finesse, Clean Guns, Bandit's Sense, Bloody Shroud, Weapon's Practise, Dark Ritual, Leeches, The Cure.
A-Rank (aka Good!): Encourage, Wound Care, Curious Incantation, Scout Ahead, Man's Best Fried, Therapy Dog, Release the Hound, Turn Back Time, Every Rose Has Its Torn, Quarantine, Instruction, Experimental Vapours, Self-Medicate, Snake Eyes, Snakeskin & Pray.
I think resupply and pilfer are better than B simply because they cost 1: with the available you never waste points, as there is a good chance the supply you get will see some use
9:32 that's 2 hands, the top one is a closed fist on top of the open palm one on the bottom, kekw
You say numbers fast to sound sexy... and it works
i still press sanctuary everytime i have no other option to prevent ambush and to me it's S just because of that
on the other hand, diseases never prevented me from successfully completing a mission and i probably could count on one hand the number of times i have cured them during camp so i don't value those abilities that much
i always press tactics and weapons practice unless i have unparalleled finesse or need stress healing
My experience had been that the horrid place known as the Weald will riddle you with diseases. You get rabies and a couple other diseases that lower resistances and you aren’t hitting the enemy thanks to lowered ACC and taking every DOT they throw at you. Or just losing damage output to the point that fights take forever.
Awaiting "How good are provisions?"
Modded content tier list or videos!
Still cleaning out the backlog of vanilla content that I have, but I'll try and see what I can do for more mod stuff :)
You're gonna become the northenlion of darkest dungeon with all these tierlists
What is your opinion on Flag only having access to his 4 camping skills?
Oh also I don't mind forcing Rapturous when using him to solo. Which is something I rarely do, but hella fun.
His 4 skills are fine. The default 3 aren't that strong besides encourage.
Tactics is GOAT.
These ones are always a pleasant watch, though at this point what remains of tier lists that are still serious? Curio tier list? Item tier list? At what point is it going too far to the point of parody?
Oh, I also believe Tiger's eye actually only hits one companion unless my memory doesn't serve me well and the Wiki is lying.
Not sure. I think we're out of the normal stuff.
Not directly related, but you make it a constant talking point that arb "doesn't need accuracy", can you explain this to me? Characters don't seem to have a base accuracy mod, as it is entirely skill dependant. Sniper shot has 115 acc @ level 5. There are lots of backline enemies that have around 40 dodge, giving her a 75% chance to hit (for example.) Assuming my math is correct here and the game isn't different than I assume, why would you not like a bump to accuracy in many cases?
I went and checked the enemies to be safe and a lot have 30-35 dodge, but only a few get higher than that like virago and madman. I'd say 80-85% is enough. Still being hit capped is nice. Personally I think it's fine in regards to restring crossbow, especially because the normal arb playstyle is shoot once or twice then heal. If you are going hyper carry arb then it's different and restring gets more appealing.
@@ShuffleFM That's fair. Thanks!
If you need to strees heal with a Jester at camp, then you are doing a bad job with Jester or you are in a lvl 5 cove
Bless 10ACC, 10 DODGE: "Eh, I dunno, kinda weird to get a little bit of offense and a little bit of defense, it's OK, B tier"
Trinket tier list: Lucky talisman, 12 ACC (ranged), 10 DODGE: "this is A" 😅😂
To be fair, graverobbers main defense is dodge, and the trinket is a constant buff. But still, that would mean that bless also has value. Then again, maybe against other camp skills it's not that impressive, and it doesn't serve as much of a purpose...
I think bless is better than I said here, but the main reasoning is that camp skills are highly competitive compared to trinkets
I don’t understand how you don’t put all the prevent nighttime ambush camp skills at S+ tier, because they’re the skills you HAVE to press at every camp right?? Every other skill is optional but you can’t not press prevent nighttime ambush?
I subconsciously considered the ambush preventers as a group. The effect is good, but that's why hound's watch and bandit's sense were higher because sanctuary and the others were compared to that. There are some times where you don't feel the need to prevent ambush surprisingly. Their occurrence rate is only 33% iirc and if you don't use a preventer you can scramble your party to counteract it.
@@ShuffleFM thanks for the reply man, and yeah that makes sense, I should try scrambling my party next time I don’t have a party that can prevent! 👍
soooo... who's gonna try sb and three hellions spamming breakthrough?
Second comment for the algorithm
I dislike Sanctuary, because Vestal is, by design, not supposed to let anyone hit Death’s Door, and therefore it is v occasional that there’s 3 heroes with mortality, let alone 1. I don’t think I’ve ever had a vestal and mortality debuffs ever; could be my luck thought.
B tier, I recognize the usefulness, but argue it is reactive
You're right that it is very reactive
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Turns out crit is good
@@ShuffleFM best stress heal in the game tbh
Me, wanting to use Antiquarian in the next dungeon for sweet cash: Curious Incantation + 3 Pep Talks at like 50 stress
Cultist Witch: first off thats really rude
Jester: haha ting tiddly ting ting ting
Edit: I would argue +40 stress move for Flag is excellent due to what you mentioned with Anti, where the enemies will begin to focus him down! Rapturous is bad, don’t get me wrong, but if anyone is going to afflict, you want it to be him. I would say Long dungeon use; easy C-B tier for situational, but effective use.
Alot of the worse skills you can make an argument for, Like +40 stress lash for abusing the game to focus him, and Pray, because while the religious heroes CAN heal themselves, do you really want to be pushing those buttons? Pray is proactive, meaning you can push better buttons, you can Exanguinate and take advantage of low HP flag, Crusaders -25 stress means he can hit his better buttons instead, and can stall heal others like Flag instead of himself.
Chant is still absolute garbage though
At 42:50 with vestals "religous" characters I believe that God fearing characters are considered religious despite the character being non religious and vice versa with faithless on religious making them non religious
Algorithmic purposes
Yay campskills tier list!~ always enjoy your videos help me improved my darkest dungeons runs