Ep1 - Snowmobile Rider Positions
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- čas přidán 27. 09. 2018
- In this episode of Back To Skool™ Bret teaches correct body positioning, where to stand on the snowmobile, and how to move through four basic position to help you more effectively navigate the backcountry snowmobile terrain.
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Episode 1 - Snowmobile Rider Position. In this video we’re going to talk about rider positioning. It’s important for the student to understand correct form while he’s navigating the backcountry. It gives him more control of the sled and better balance. When you’re on your sled on a flat surface in the neutral position you should be in an attack position. What’s gonna give you the most control is when you’re up on the sled and you’re in an aggressive riding position. You need to be standing with a straight back, your knees should be slightly bent when you drop your arms to the handlebar grips. Your elbows should be straight. And this is what gives you the good control. While in this position, you should be able to get anywhere on the sled that you need to, to maintain control. So, from neutral we want to talk first about rider position number one. In this position the rider will rotate his foot with the heel outward on the running board. I like to leave the ball of my foot on the edge roll of the running board. And, by pivoting my heel outward it give me additional leverage over the sled. The opposite foot, I will simply unweight. Sometimes I’ll raise it off the running board. Sometimes I’ll drag it up along the fuel tank or the edge of the seat. To advance to rider position two, you’d simply leave your foot rotated at an angle off the running board with your heel off the edge, follow foot on the edge roll. You draw your opposite leg across the seat and place it also on the running board. This is considered a transfer position. We tend not to hold this position for a long period of time. The transfer position is more of a temporary position. It gives you more leverage so you can pull the sled up to it’s edge. In the transfer position, the rider is not perfectly squared up to the sled. In other words his shoulders won’t be square to the sled, they’ll be more in line with the sled. You field of vision is shorter. You’ll only be able to see off one side of the sled and not the other as easily. For this reason, we discourage holding the transfer position for an extended amount of time. Position number three that we refer to as wrong foot forward. The right foot will be found on the left running board, or vice versa, that’s how it gets it’s name. In this position the rider has maximum control of the sled, he has really good control of balance, he’s up on the sled, the counter steer comes more natural in the wrong foot forward position. With a foot on the running board the free leg will be extended outward and forward. This leg is used more or less as a balancing mechanism. When you extend your free leg outward, it gives you the ability to step down in the snow and catch the balance of the sled as you drive forward.
I hope there will be alot more of these videos!! Verry cool!!
We plan to release as many as 30 videos in the next 12 months, stay tuned!!
@@RideRasmussenStyle That's great! My 15 year old son is starting to have intereste for back country snowmobiling and this will give us a good starting point for technique and the fundamentles.
Thanks again!!
@@hpenduro000 The first fifteen videos or so will all be great for his education. We'll also have some avalanche training videos coming which will be good for mountain/backcountry riders. I'd recommend having him take a class from us or whoever is close to you in the meantime.
Dont know if you guys gives a shit but if you guys are bored like me atm you can stream pretty much all of the new movies on Instaflixxer. I've been streaming with my brother for the last few weeks =)
@Theodore Braxton Definitely, have been using instaflixxer for since november myself :D
Been sledding for 41 years and the last two seasons been the best in my life. Thanks to Bret for teaching me how to unlearn what I knew, and, learn new techniques to ride. I lo00ove my G4/154/3.0; driving it is the joy of my life. HEY BRET, THANKS MAN!....Wrong foot forward, wOoo! Ive forwarded this vid to 10 of my riding friends.
Thanks for watching and sharing, that's awesome! Hopefully this has been another great season for you!
Bring on the winter!! This could be a good series look forward to seeing it all
I’ve been a certified ski and snowboarding instructor for 25 years. You presented the info and techniques beautifully!!
More videos please!!
Thanks Geoff! That's our goal. Stay tuned, more on the way!
THIS IS FREAKIN AWESOME !!!! TY BRET
You're welcome, I hope these videos have been helpful!
If the sled is coming over backwards is it best to back out of the throttle or tap the brake. 2019 Summit X 165
The opposite foot forward is wild. I tried it yesterday while sledding. It was my 4th time ever riding the mountain and 2 time on my alpha i bought this winter WOW. I got that thing going opposite forward i didn't even have to think about counter steering just came natural and i was on like a 45 degree sidehill and didnt even know it. Now to get used to the not as aggresive sidehills doing that and turning downhill
Sounds like you are killing it! Keep up the fun:)
@@RideRasmussenStyle Thanks hoping to get out a couple more times yet before spring takes over
Hi! i have two rather old beasts of snowmobiles. #1 an old 70 harley and #2 an old 88 skidoo. The harley is down for the count for now but i use my skidoo frequently. It's very different from now-a-days lighter yamaha's and others like that. Are there any tips or special things i should know about the older snow machines?
Most importantly, don't stray to far away without another sled with you. If you haven't found out already, you can get, in a short amount of time, farther away from home than one will want to walk!
I will say however that I rode these sleds that you describe. And although the technique I describe has evolved, it was originally developed and used successfully on these 70's and 80's sleds. Just have fun with it! That's what counts 😉
@@RideRasmussenStyle Thank you so much. I left out the detail that the 88 is an old formula MX. It's a total beast and kind of a bitch to deal with on turning! I love it none the less cuz it was actually given to me by old extended family of mine. Either way, it's always been kinda finicky to start with the primer getting either too little or not enough fuel into it. Once she starts really purring though it's not a issue. I worry about that though because i feel that my technique will be flawed if i stray from it due to issues with flooding it due to an unsure idea of how much is good enough. EDIT: And the key has always stayed in the ignition for so many years that im afraid if i try to turn it back and pull it out it might break so i just leave it in.
What about riding in a #1 position having a knee on the seat? Is there any reason to avoid this?
Thanks for the comment. You should never ever rest a knee on the seat! Reason beings, when the suspension releases from a compression in a bump it will throw you in the air and possibly over the bars. One, it could be really embarrassing and two, when you sled runs over you it might hurt! When you take away the riders knee action he can't compensate for any inadequacies of the suspension. It's the riders knee action that is lost when resting a knee on the seat.
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Hey Rasmussen !! just picked up my new skidoo 850 summit ! can you please answer this question for me?? full skid plate or the extreme ?
If you run a skid plate at all, run the extreme version. I prefer to not run a skid plate because they just collect snow and besides if I hit anything hard enough to do some damage its probably going to bend an a arm, which the skid plate does not protect. Consider a Skinz/Rasmussen front bumper with the down protectors. This will help to guide the sled over rocks and stumps as well as anything I have found.
@@RideRasmussenStyle im a beginner rider ! so thats why im concerned about damages ! your series has already taught me so much !!!
Recently I sent you a question about transmission oil???? Wrong question: I should have referred to the gear box (fwd, neutral, reverse on my Scandic) and the chain case - do they share the same oil?
Yes same oil sump. I think it requires a higher grade synthetic oil than just a regular chain case.
@Ride Rasmussen Style eventually a dealer confirmed exactly the same thing, the gear box needs syndromes transmission oil and that exceeds the chain case oil specs... not recommended to go the other way and use chain case oil... for the scandic... thx for getting back to me
That should be syncromesh transmission oil lol
I just recently switched to a yamaha vector mountain. My fear is, its gonna take way more effort to do this
Let me confirm that for you. Yes!
The new sleds are so much easier to ride in the mountains than those manufactured a few years ago as the Vector was. Having said that, do you need a new sled to have fun on? No! Everything is relative. Just go out and have a blast in that bad boy and when you ready to move up you'll have already developed a skill set that will lend itself to the newer sled. Have fun with it. 😁
Please, some help for us taller riders out there. When your 6-5, it's very easy to get out of position on the bars and you have to correct with your outside hand/foot which upsets the sled when it's on edge balance. N PLEASE don't stop the videos, they're saving a lot of sleds from Craigslist. Lol
Well, I'm not tall so i can't speak to you first hand, but I must say that I've always been envious of you taller guys, you have so much leverage when you lean out!! The key is to stay on the balance point, tall riders are always behind the sled because with your long arms stretched out you find yourself at the back of the sled. Get a forward post block from skinz, this will move you up on the sled about 3 inches and will help more than anything you can do. Remember to crowd forward, if you have any doubt as to where the balance point is, you are probably behind it!! Happy sledding!
Thanks for the insights. Getting that block ordered ASAP.
@@donaldjohnson633 You're welcome.
Why is it spelled wrong tho...
Just to get your attention! Did it work?
@@RideRasmussenStyle guess it did :)
You’re unfortunately forgetting all the female riders out there. Bummer to watch this and keep hearing “the rider, he...”