The Fastest 3D Printer of 2023! Flsun V400 or Bambu Lab X1 ?
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Who is the leader of the speed era? FLSUN or Bambu Lab?
Here is a brief introduction to the video:
0:00-1:36 Video introduction.
1:36-3:00 Nozzle Melting rate.
3:00-5:17 Slice Parameters.
5:17-7:04 Printing Time.
7:04-7:45 The Overall Structural.
7:45 Conclusion.
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Thank you for watching.
More comparison videos to come!
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Very very well done. I have NOT seen this type of comparison bertween these two printers and have learned so much !!!
Thank you
Did exactly same comparison and nothing is true in this video except the speed comparison, but quality difference was very significant and sound comparison is absolutely vice versa
There are big issues with the review.
@6:31 - There is a huge quality difference between the images. Moon City: The large tower is only partially printed on the FLSun, the small towers lack their tips, etc. Groot: The FLSun suffers from Z-wobble and quality loss because of smoothing.
Smoothing can be solved by adjusting the input shaping, and both printers have their own advantages and disadvantages😉
I think this is an interessting point, I have also seen other comparisons, where the Bambu printet more details at same speed then the V400. It might be more capable to change the print direction more abruptly, or just to better tuning. The V400 is much quieter though.
@@3dprintertest In stock configuration running input shaping is not an option since the V400 does not come with the accelerometer, and the stock firmware does not support it. That's why I returned in and have the Bambu. Also the advertised print volume is false on the V400. It's a cone at the top, not a full cylinder. :/
The Bambu build volume is true and comes with the sensor built in, for automated input shaping and micro lidar for automated flow setup. Neither of which the V400 has. One may be faster on flow rate, but without quality and tuning, the speed is unusable and pointless.
@@foam27 it seems that the V400 uses not the full potetial of klipper. It would be nice to see, if it archieves the same quality (at least like the P1P which has less sensors for auto calibration) if you would upgrade and tune the input shaper and pressure advance values nicely. The delta aproach is also good, I don't see why it is so unpopular. At the moment the price is an par with the P1P, and it has advantages -much quieter, larger build space, higher temp, more open source compatible and disadvantages- bigger, no enclosure out of the box- over the P1P. So I am on the fence.
Thank you for the in-depth comparison. I found it very helpful.
Love the videos. Spent the day listening at work. Great video. Just got my hands on the V400.
Don't forget the P1P which has the same specs as the X1 is $250 less. It's also smaller and prints a bit sharper. But I have to say, the FLSun is such a cool invention.
Wow, I can’t imagine how much time and effort went into this video. Great job!
Really nice video! Thanks for the insightful information, I've already order an flsun v400.
I like your take on it, I have the V400 on preorder myself.
Good job, thanks for sharing 💕
Thx for the video. you bring up a really good point in terms of flow rate. I haven’t seen a single channel compare the nozzles, multi color printing aside.
thank you for saving my searching time for fast 3d printer
Great video, both printers are on my shopping list.
V400 is my first 3d printer. I have had no trouble with it from first print. I am now updating firmware. V400 is a great printer.
Good job. I tot bambu is the winner, volume & price too if considered without Color change. Thanks for this awesome comparison video ❤
For me, quality matters more than speed. Which one prints BETTER QUALITY?
i have both and appreciate both.
Very informative, thank you. Time to upgrade my Snapmaker to V400
Excellent video review! I have been curious about this printer from the moment Flsun announced it！！
One could always hook up a Mosaic to the V400 to get multicolor prints. They also make an enclosure for it.
Thank you for this video it was helpful, in my opinion I would get the Flsun V400.
It’s all opinion. The best printer is the one that’s made for your needs
excelente. gracias
thanks for the information, this is the best comparison channel betwen this to machines that I have found until now!
keep the excellent work!
Thanks a lot for watching and commenting 🤘
the V400 is BIG. I love it so much
It will probably eventually be like CPUs where they don't measure performance by raw Hz speed but by a more benchmark. Your channel could be an authority in that way, like Dhrystones and Whetstones for CPUs there can be something like "Printstones" to measure the average time to print bechmark stls within a certain amount of quality.
I like the delta approach (coming from the QQS-pro).
Bought my v400 new for 715€. The P1P is 790€, the CX1 1360€.
Comes with the SpeederPad with which you can run another 2 printers on Klipper for free. (250mm/s SuperRacer)
It's a shame they don't ship the accelerometer with the pad or v400.
You have to build your own from a Raspberry Pi Pico + ADXL345.
I do want the lidar on my next delta...or load cell leveling.
Carbon rods wearing out and it potentially only being fixable by sending in the printer to the factory is also a rather huge caveat against the bambu printers where as the flsun components are of-the shelf parts that can easily be replaced...
I got a. V400 and if you lube the joins will last many years ,also the set of complete rods is $100 and exchanged in 5 min
Please more Flsun V400 content it would be a huge help! 😁
V400 is basically for PLA/PETG exclusively. Building a heated chamber would be a pretty big endeavor. The X1 has so much more flexibility in terms of use. vertical build volume is huge but that would also become a hindrance when printing ABS/ASA etc... even if you are able to build an enclosure.
Thats not true bud. You can print everything with it, and 3 big sheets of plexi glass are not that hard to come by if you want to print in ABS.. you can print NILON, flexible materials, carbon implemented materials ect.. it is versetile
@@rikampravdu8904 I didn't say you cannot print these materials. I said it would be a big endeavor to build a chamber that allows for printing ABS/ASA etc...
Though easy to come by, 3 large plexi glass sheets are not cheap yet and the sheets alone will do nothing without a frame robust enough to hold in place.
The V400 does not come with a hardened nozzle so yes, you could but again you'll need upgrades.
Any printer can be made to print 95% of available material, we all know this. Point is out of the box features and how much extra work it will take to get there.
V400: No hepa filtration which is must for ABS/ASA, no spaghetti detection, no automatic PA/flow calibration per print/filament, no AMS system as robust as the proprietary BL system, etc...
I have a V400 and plan to get an X1C with AMS. Each has it uses/issues.
Did you run the Bambu at standard speed? There's two more speed settings that are higher
Well I was afraid i made a bad choice by buying the v400 last year.. had a few issues but thats user (me not having any clue how to 3d print). But recently got it dialed in and able to get fast and fairly consistent quality prints.. So... up to testing a CHT bondtech nozzle on this to see if it works and get even higher melting flow? =)
Great comparison. Can you please share the V400 SuperSlicer Profile? Thank you!
Searchable in their Facebook group☺
New firmware on the FLSUN now does 600 mm/s ;-)
If they make AMS for flsun to allow multicolor prints, I'd definitely go with that.
6:33 "there's not much difference between the quality of the models" - the MoonCity from the V400 is missing the spikes on all turrets, and the entire turret in the middle of the scene...
V400 is my first 3D printer and it’s great.
I got a v400 and used a bambu. But the solution is the Creality K1 max(I own one)
Why not test the sound level of the X1 with the door closed since it has that advantage over the V400? You essentially tested the volume level as sound trapped/bouncing around in an enclosed space where it doesn't have as much air to diffuse. In terms of sound level, you test here was not an apples to apples comparison
You gotta redo this test with the new updates to Flsun v400 firmware updates and new Cura profiles
I have both .The FL SUN V400 works great, out of the box, prints ok. Various firmware errors at turn on, reset and all is fine until next shutdown. But i have no regrets buying V400. I will use V400 for some tall prints i need, and X1C for small ABS parts and multicolor.
Hello! Do you know where you can download the plugin for v400 to see the model on the screen? I can't find it anywhere
@@mariklove_3D you have to do some cheeky stuff for it to show up but you dont need no plugin
@@rikampravdu8904 well then how can i see the models on the screen?
@@mariklove_3D you have to activate something in cura, i dont use it so i have no idea but there are few videos about it
well done! i got my x1 last week, new to the 3d printing world, a big +1 is their software, camera, app on phone, and the AMS system. so if i understood correctly, the volume max flow only allows up to 350mms to print... but, what if i set my printer to 500mms (the max advertised)? does this mean it will give an uneven flow since the printer is moving faster than what the flow can give? i also want to mention the X1 is crap for TPU printing. i am printing at 50mms and its eh when it comes to bridging or overhangs. overall, loved your video and the way you presented all of this! bravo!
I think he's making too much out of flow rate. People have tested these printers, and when you set the machine to 500mm/s, it's seriously fast (much faster than it is at the 400mm/s setting). But the problem is still a matter of controlling the print head, pushing the upper speed limits will result in print quality starting to suffer (just like it does on the V400). I have both printers, I love them both. The speed is highly comparable. If you have the money, and you want a printer that is as close to a "push print and walk away" experience as you can get, the X1 Carbon combo wins hands down. Bambu is controlling the entire print chain, and is optimizing everything together. Bambu was founded by DJI engineers, so they know how to do this stuff, and it shows. This is a first generation product, and it's already amazing, and they are continuing to refine it. The X1 is what you buy if you prefer the "Apple" experience (the company is going to work all the details out for you). The V400 is the one to buy if you prefer more of the Android experience (you're going to be responsible for tuning things over time, and figuring out how to integrate 3rd party upgrades, like a Mosaic Palette, building an enclosure, optimal print settings, etc). Now with that said, buying a V400 isn't like buying just any Android device, you're buying a premium one, like a Samsung Note.
Honestly, I really do love them equally, but I wouldn't choose one over the other because of speed. I wouldn't necessarily choose one over the other because of multi-material, as you could always add a Mosaic Palette to the V400. I think it really boils down to whether you want a more open design you're ultimately responsible for, or a proprietary design developed and maintained by the vendor (in this case a very competent vendor who really cares). Next thing I'd consider is the print dimensions of each printer, do you prefer one over the other? How about the size, will they both fit in your space? Then I'd consider my all in price to get all of the features I want. Like it's cost me $150 in materials just enclose my V400. A mosaic Palette with run you $400 to $800 depending on version (if you want to do multi material). It's also worth noting that the Bambu AMS works differently than the Palette, each has its strengths and weaknesses, so you have to decide if you care about that. Basically I'm saying I'd consider the eco system surrounding the two printers. Lastly, depending on what you want to do with the printer, novelty of the delta's movement may or may not be of value to you.
@@bujin5455 i was a noob to printing and grabbed the X1C. its aweesome, ive learned how to print under a week. i do agree the flow parameter is odd, bc you def can set this mambo to 400/500mms and it rips. yes the quality goes down with speed but it sure can do 500mms. not to mention X1C acceleration can go up to 20,000mms and i thnk 1,000 travel speed? you are correct, i like the analogy, for sure X1C is an apple vs the android. i love how it was all in one package and i dont have to waste time programming it before knowing the world of 3d printing. i have too many other hobbies that consume my time ha... anyway, i freaking love this printer. its just "ok" for TPU. i also did notice throwing bambu PLA at it was amazing results while polymaker was eh... i def think this printer prints best with their filament. its not that much more money either, its just never in damn stock! ha
@@aerialphotons237 I love the X1C also, as well as their AMS, the two really do work great with each other. Today I ran out of filament, and the AMS told me it was out, and the printer just kept printing. I replaced the spool, WHILE the printer was printing, and it never stopped! Another time I had a spool get tangled up, which stopped the printer. It detected it, told me about, I fixed the issue, and it just continued, no problem AT ALL, not even a gloo blob where it picked up again! The X1C, combined with the AMS, is really on a completely different planet as far as ease of use goes.
Regarding filament selection, that is one thing that is kind of a bummer with the AMS. Not everything fit in it. However, my favorite filament, Hatchbox, does. And it looks REALLY good too. So if you haven't tried that out yet, you might want to. But then again, Bambu's filament isn't really all that expensive. Quality filament is generally about ~$26 a kilo. Though Voxel looks quite promising. I've ordered some of that, and that's ~$17 a kilo. It's supposed to be really good professional print farm level stuff. ...we shall see.
But as far as a first printer goes, you're definitely not signing up for the trial by fire that I did when I got started. Bambu has really taken most of the pain out the situation Congrats on your printer, I'm sure as time goes on you'll fine loads of awesome things to do with it.
@@bujin5455 thanks man! good to know anout hatchbox., i was on the fence with them as heard ups and downs with them but i like how i saw much more variety in their filament. how far off are you straying from stock settings with matchbox PLA'? any pointers to save me some pain lol?
@@aerialphotons237 Settings often depend just as much on the printer itself, and your slicing, as it does the filament. As far as the X1C goes, I've simply ran the hatchbox with Bambu's out of the box settings, and it looks great. I've tried a LOT of filament vendors, and I do like Hatchbox a lot. Their filament is consistent, it prints well, has good layer adhesion, doesn't smell terribly, they provide a good variety of materials and colors.
There may be people who have a better this or that over Hatchbox, but overall, I've never had a bad experience with Hatchbox, never had it jam a nozzle on me. Which I bought filament from a new vendor a few months back to try out something I thought I was interested in, and their dimensions weren't consistent, and when the filament got thicker, it jammed itself into the heatbreak, and it was a living hell getting it out, and I broke the thermistor while I was doing it! Beyond jams, consistency is also important, because that will affect your flow rate. Too much, and you can jam, or have plastic "push out" causing bumps in the print, and cause the print head to catch on those bumps, making you lose a step, shifting the entire print over a step from that point forward. Too little, and you can have thin places in the print, which may cause weakness and poor interlayer adhesion, or holes between layers/lines. So it's a pretty big deal.
My first printer was a delta- I absolutely love them. They work very well.
It is a non issue to me as I will be purchasing both. Already have a p1p, the v400 will be the next printer. I’ll follow up with a x1c without the AMS. That will retire my prusa printers leaving a heavily modified vyper for backup and smaller less time critical parts
2:00 cant i just replace the Stock nozzle and just buy a "better" nozzle to increase the heating and flow?
You say buy X1C for multi-color, but failed to say for multi-materials. X1C is enclosed which helps
It’s not that good for multi material because of the one hot end and it will clog if the material temperature is to different but for material that are around the same will work sometimes
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V400 is very user friendly.
then the Bambu would be faster with a more high flow nozle?
yes, which you can buy on amazon now.
@@foam27 ah good to now, you can use other nozels for bamboo lab, could you als use other hotends and other Extrusionssystems, or can you only use those providesd by bambu lab?
I think you'll just have to buy both!
7:23. This is a terrible argument. A Delta printer expresses ALL of its travel for the entire XYZ volume, whether X/Y head movement, or layer change, as compound movements of the X, Y, Z towers. A Core XY printer, such as the X1, ONLY uses the Z movement for layer changes, and expresses all of the X/Y head movement through its gantry system. Since 99.9999% of a 3D printer's movement is expressed in the XY plane, with only very rare Z layer changes, almost all of the wear will be expressed in the XY mechanism and NOT in the Z mechanism. So comparing the robustness of a Delta's Z mechanism to that of a Core XY machine's Z mechanism is a complete non sequitur, as the duty cycles are orders of magnitude different.
A more apples to apples comparison, would be comparing the linear rods of the X1's gantry system to the V400's captured bearing system.
The review has other big issues too, this is just one of them :)
@@war4peace1979 I agree, this is just one that was particularly glaring.
@@teeemm6415 Deltas don't use leadscrews.
The prints from the V400 has no detail... why is that? Seems no one get it to print details either like other brands can at the same speed
6:30 a lot of details are lost, like half of the tower in the middle. Or all the tower ends in front. LOL
You didn't mention the nozzle temperature,higher speed needs higher temperature.A lax test👎
I think this is Dennis Gignac. Here's a link to a vid from his other channel, compare the voice. He has a bunch of FLSUN deltas, so I think he's getting paid on the backside. czcams.com/video/DR-R_uKlo0A/video.html
V400 sans hésitation!!!!!
This isn't the first time I have seen quality issues with the V400 missing details or smoothing the print. Printing fast and losing detail kinda misses the point. @ 6:30 you are missing whole sections of the moon city print. I'm glad you were honest in showing actual results.
Your conclusion is flawed. If you are printing pla/petg in open air and don't need quality the v400 is fine. This could be fine for parts that need a lot of post processing or will be painted to cover up flaws and defects.
If you need/want ABS/PC/CF-Nylon/ or filaments that require an enclosure on top if printing pla/petg =X1C.
Or need a larger square build area, camera, AMS, auto bed level, first layer scan, spaghetti detection remote monitoring, better slicer = X1C
If you are printing for accuracy and quality the X1C wins out.
Perhaps you should do a video showing how to tune the V400 for better results. Even if you need to slow things down.
I would also like to see a torture toaster to test dimensional accuracy.
The v400 looks cooler but the x1 is better
The way I see it, the V400 is best for speed and efficiency, but the X1C is far better in terms of printable size. Really it all comes down to what you will be using the printer for, and/or what you need from the printer. If you're only building models, figures, or small parts for a project, the V400 is the way to go. But if you need larger scale models, then it's the X1C.
You did not just wrote that xD, what is bigger 256X256X256 or 300X400 ?
Faster but no quality stay in the range of quality print
Nailed it!
straight away i knew ths would be biased towards the
flsun 400v
@01:06 He says OUR lataest product?
derp a derp derp what a wet wooden spoon
your subconcious tripped you up wetty
I have both and V400 is a shit quality printer. Trying to get rid of it and its already got such a bad reputation that i'm unable to sell it in used market. Potential buyers should join their facebook group and see how poor the klipper implementation is from Flsun.
Returned mine to Microcenter. Happy with Bambu!
didn't ask
you have fan man
all videon is fake..
you are sponsor of v400
but nice try hahahah