How Elemental Proved The Internet Wrong
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- čas přidán 1. 08. 2024
- Elemental was a pretty good movie, and definitely dispersed any concerns or worries, although it wasn't perfect by any means.
0:00 - First Thoughts
2:24 - Love Story
3:44 - Race Allegory
5:37 - The BEST Part
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oh thx for the pin!!
@@TheAlphaJayShow indeed
Me showing random people all the starving pandas in my basement to feed them
are ya talking about this video, or the people watching this movie on theaters?
I feel like if this movie were to be made and released like a decade or so ago people wouldn’t be so pressed about it
Inversely, in a decade, I'd imagine people to look back on this movie more favorably
Absolutely.
I agree, i love this movie and the animation is stunning and the characters are so cute!
Even then there were a lot of movies about prejudice at the time so even then might be too late.
I think that's precisely the issue.
The concept has been done before countless times by the same studio. Dreamworks, Sony pictures and even illumination are actually trying new things besides the rehashed generational trauma/prejudice plotline.
Guarantee if this move were made last decade, it would be praised.
Not that it wouldn't be deserved, the real-world applications are no joke, the message is there, and it's great.
Not to mention, it's literally reverse fireboy and watergirl, haha.
The issue wasn't the movie itself, it was the marketing's teams fault for making the movie look like a generic 'Find your own dream not what your parents want your dream to be' with cringe jokes in it.
@@Duality2222-2 Let's be honest, though most pixar movies never give away the plots in their movies
@@Duality2222-2yeah Pixar has to realize that if the trailers are bad people won’t want to watch a movie
@@GoofyAhhBoxy I don't think that the two are from the same studio. I think the marketing of a movie is done by a different branch in the Disney department. After all this isn't the first movie to get shot in the foot by terrible marketing from Disney.
@@Duality2222-2Elemental may not be amazing (haven’t seen it), but one thing I will say for it:
The movie didn’t lose as much money as I thought it would when a bunch of think pieces came out labeling it a box office flop.
The problem with race allegories done like this is that race isn’t really a thing. It’s not like one person is water and one person is fire, it’s more like one person is saltwater and one person is freshwater. There are no physiological differences between different people, but we divide ourselves on what we see on the outside
Thats a cute thought but dismissive. Different cultures do in fact tend to clash, but as this movie showed, the fact that a relationship can overcome those clashes is a great thing.
Well there are differences like black people have denser muscles and absorb more sunlight than most races, and certain Asian races, gosh I don't remember what the thing was called...telemere? They regenerate faster but that's most likely due to diet but any way I 100% agree with you but their are certain differences that are there.
@@mamodokod4613 Imma have to stop you right there (Black person right here). That is not at all scientifically true. Black people do not have denser muscles than other races lol.
@@MRauTObt Yeah, this person is still very right tho, I don't think they're being dismissive at all. Culture shock happens, but it still can be worked out "rationally". They hit the nail right on the head and I personally can't stand when stories do race allegories like this too. No Chinese person is going to walk into a shop and accidently blow it up because they inherently have the power of Fire. And no Caucasian person is gonna accidently dirty up every rug the walk on because they're made of rocks and dirt. These are physical characteristics that these people in this world have.
From the way things look to me, this world is almost more akin to beings who are a different "species" living next to each other, than different "races".
i bring a man from kenya and a man from Yakutsk, and you tell me they have no physical differences.
I genuinely loved this movie. Shame it’s massively underperforming cause I do think there’s an audience for this. Maybe when it hits Disney+
Definitely!
Maybe it's due will burn brighter via word of mouth, or worked for How to Train Your Dragon, and Puss in Boots 2
@@erichfiedler1481 I doubt HTTYD had the problems this movie had.
I think the issue is the trailers don’t seem to provide a reason to go see the movie, and I feel if the trailer doesn’t get people to want to see the movie, the viewers are allowed say no to seeing it
Same
The movie was pretty much what I expected, gorgeous visuals with a generic yet entertaining story and characters, it manage to convey a simple message and remain enjoyable through most of its duration. Although I understand why many are disappointed by the movie as a whole, this is an original from Pixar so the expectations are always high...
Is the plot exactly what "I think it is."
@@SluggedNugg yeah pretty much but it tells it well enough. Its cute
So it's a Mid Movie??
@@StevenJones851 is not revolutionary, or life-changing, or incomparable. Is very easily forgettable but definitely enjoyable from beginning to end. So if you plan to watch it keep your expectations low.
I still think Pixar is pretty good, so I think it's a shame they're being panned now all because "pretty good" evidently isn't good enough anymore.
Considering Disney’s films have been mediocre at best for the past 3 years, I’m really not surprised people weren’t all that interested in this one.
Encanto was good though....
@@markellhawthorne2921 Where did u think Encanto become so successful? Yup in Disney+. Disney wants that piece of pie against Netflix that they devalued their animation department pursuing Netflix.
@@markellhawthorne2921 yeah but not that good though. I mean the songs were the best of the movie, but the repeated style of animation and the story? Not that strong enough 😅
What about soul
Ding dong ding, we have a winner. This is precisely why I passed on Phineas and Ferb when it was airing; I perceived Disney Channel as being for singer obsessed girls and so if anything aired on that channel it had to be for that audience. Disney has a lot of PR problems at the moment, and with "it'll just come to Disney plus in a few months" being the truth of the matter people say "why pay $9 to watch a single movie when I can wait for it to come on my $8 streaming service? Pixar is just a straight to video now streaming studio after all as we saw with everything between onward and lightyear."
I genuinely wonder if any of Pixar’s classics were made today, people would give them the exact same response as Elemental, people would probably say that Toy Story’s plot was “the story is too simple, doesn’t have much to say” if the film were to have been made today, hell remember when Finding Nemo kept getting reviews back in 2003 saying it “wasn’t as good as Pixar’s other films, it’s too episodic, it’s Pixar’s weakest film” and nowadays it’s hailed as a classic? Even Pete Doctor mentioned recently that “people are criticizing us by our own stuff, like “it’s not as good as my favorite Pixar film””. People need to stop being so harsh on Pixar, because it seems like every other film that they’ve made keeps getting reviews saying each is weaker than the last and then a decade later is hailed as a masterpiece.
The difference is that Toy Story was new and innovative when it came out. Pixar is no longer making movies that are innovative; they’re doing the same thing they’ve always done, and people are getting tired of it. Why watch Elemental when Spiderverse and Puss in Boots are options?
@@PeregrineFalcon646 What they've always done is . . . Make movies
Nothing else to it
This movie was way better than I thought it would be. At the same time, I completely understand why there's so little interest in it and that it bombed. This movie had to follow up on Across the Spiderverse, which was as much of a milestone in Western animation as Into the Spiderverse was, and people were already convinced that it was gonna be extremely generic and not worth going to the cinema for. It was set up for failure before it really had any chance to prove itself otherwise. It's sad but I hope it's a catalyst for Pixar to finally reinvent itself and try something new and bold. There's a shift in how the public views animation now and they should broaden their horizons.
Hell, this is never going to happen but imagine if Pixar become trailblazers again in animation by giving us a fully mature, adult-oriented movie that makes no attempts to appeal to kids. Maybe take that utopian city trope they love and turn it on its head and give us a cyberpunk city setting.
I hope that too! I’m not rooting for Pixar to lose-there’s no denying the positive impact they’ve had on the animation scene. But they’ve gotta wake up and try something new, or be forced to fade into obscurity. But if Dreamworks and Sony take the stage as the best animation studios, I’m fine with that. Pixar deserves it’s time out of the limelight until it can be innovative and original again.
I doubt Spiderverse had anything to do with the movie flopping.
@@andyfriederichsen Then you don't pay very good attention
@@Pugkin5405 i mean, sure, it was heavy competition, but if elemental was really that good or as good as some of pixar's older movies, then it wouldn't have flopped that's for sure.
@@magical571 Yes, it would
I was really worried about the allegory for interracial relationships in this movie because it seemed like it'd fall into a pretty common pitfall a lot of allegories like this falls into, justifying discrimination/separation of races. It unfortunately played into this idea pretty heavily with Ember being a walking hazard to many people around her but also being constantly threatened by water. To make the relationship work both Wade and Ember have to live a fundamentally different and way more difficult life than if they were in a relationship with someone of the same element. The idea that the initial happiness of an interracial couple will lead to life long misery is an idea heavily pushed by racist individuals. Similarly, the 2 are happy together but any misstep could seriously hurt or kill Ember. The way their relationship is depicted is that they're this exception to a rule rightfully designed to protect people rather than showing how the rule itself is nonsense.
Ik I'm definitely overanalyzing a silly kids movie but it feels like so many children movies/shows try to tackle discrimination but just prove why segregation should be allowed while showing the main characters as exceptions to the rule.
Ye, the allegory definitely couldn't go too far for a children's movie which limited its impact
@@TheAlphaJayShow i think thats a shame but Puss in Boots really set the bar high for covering mature themes in a kids film.
@@TheAlphaJayShow It went pretty far. It just went far in the wrong direction.
Over analyzation? These thoughts of the movie’s allegory for interracial relationships were in the back of my mind, perhaps that’s why I didn’t enjoy it. Ember literally pointed out that she could accidentally vaporize Wade or he could extinguish her if they touched. The reason I didn’t notice it immediately during my watch was because the chemistry between the two was the best thing about this movie.
@@ssesssusman9417 ever since I was convinced that the Zootopia allegory falls flat it really opened my eyes to just flimsy a lot of discrimination allegories are. I cant watch movies/shows like this without thinking about it now.
“The movie proved the internet wrong!”
*Movies bombs*
Yeah, it sure did *wrong* the internet.
It proved it wrong that the movie is bad and generic
@@Polychi1998 Doesn't matter if you care, you missed the point
Lol exactly
Not to mention the movie is still meh, people overreacted to it, sure, but it's still nothing crazy
Now months later.
it did proved the internet wrong
@@kungalexander829 it breaking even with it’s budget doesn’t equate a movie’s success. It didn’t made bank. Sure they got their budget’s worth, but I doubt it gave disney and pixar loads of money in the end.
I thought it was a really cute movie, don’t understand why people seem to think all movies need to be something groundbreaking to be good, sometimes a simple story and go a long way yknow? Very wholesome film! ❤
I agree! This movie really touched me and made a great statement about love, culture, ambition, and acceptance. The aesthetic of an urban romance mixed with differences in cultural community and family, it really inspired me. Love is awesome♥️
Because the movie was just Zootopia but with no world building
@@pyro1830 "just zootopia" how tho 😭 the trailers barely showed much of the actual plot so it probably looks like that at first
When it costs on average $15-$20 a ticket to go to a theater, no one wants to pay that to see a boring, and overdone storyline. Yes, people want original, they want new. They don’t want politics or real world problems, and these movie companies don’t seem to realize it.
@@Arbysroastbeefjuice I mean I’m apart of a family of 5 people, it costs a lot for us to go to the movies as well. However I think it just comes down to personal preference, I happen to really like more slice of life films. That’s just me though. I understand where your coming from but I guess I gotta agree to disagree.
People said it would be a flop and this movie proved them wrong by.....by having one of the worst opening weekends in pixar history?
People thought it was going to flop because it was going to be a bad film with preachy, in your face messaging. It’s not. It’s flopping because of Disney’s reputation the last 5 years, because the marketing sucked, and because Spider-Verse is just dominating the box office right now and nothing else can really compete.
@@parycartoons6840 no? Most of the people tought it was going to be the most generic movie possible.... And it was.
@@spinosaurusstriker those two things are not mutually exclusive. People were just wrong on WHY it’s flopping.
Lmao now it's one of the best pixar movies in history outrunning puss in boots making more money
Someone is high on copeium. Movie is a box office disaster.
I only get frustrated with race allegories that try to mix magic concepts because it's so hard not to cross a weird line with it. you wind up semi-implying that these two types of people are genuinely dangerous to one another if you aren't careful with the writing. it makes the xenophobia sound like the logical stance if you think about it for too long imo. I feel like having them discover they can touch after all is a lazy fix. also Ember Lumen is the laziest name they could have come up with T_T
despite all those words those are two pretty tiny nitpicks and I am glad so many people are loving it!
It's a bit more than a nitpick if you ask me. It's a criticism that needs to be made more often of stuff like this.
Lol, Ember is a pretty common name
Agreed. The whole elemental concept makes the core message of the movie a little icky. Again, they did it way better in Zootopia.
@@alexandersolodovnikov4840Zootopia did it better because it wasn't trying to go purely for race allegory. You can see any kind of minority vs majority conflict between preds and prey.
@@andyfriederichsentotally agree with you
Tbh, if Wade was more unsure and immature as I expected after trailers, I would be not only annoyed,but bored. Strong emotions and not being shy about them is seen(at least in my country and/or where I live) as immature(read:bad) and to be 'out-grown' instead of understanding them, maybe even making use of it. Wade's design and personality at first remind of weak,mellow,unsure guy. Ya know "toxic masculinity"? Yeah...so Wade being emotional,yet firm in what he's doing and believes while being mature and as you said kiiinda handholding the starting relationship is...
Man,that's just awesome to me.
Maybe because I found love with a man who wanna keep strong,masculine image as Viking at heart yet he's mellow,protective and anxcious about me with little fragile body and artistic,sensitive heart.
Personaly I love this film, not only because of the gorgeous animation and shading but also because I really relate to Ember because I am to from a family of immigrant. The only criticism I have with this movie is the ending honestly because it’s really unsatisfying to see Ember just leave her family to work in some far away place, I would have preferred an ending where she and Wade take over the shop and have some sort of new glassware section so Ember can honour her first goal while still enjoying her life with Wade, maybe even have a scene where her, Wade, her dad and mom go back to fire land to reconnect with her family and introduce Wade to more of the fire people culture, but idk maybe they thought it would be too complicated for kids to have such an ending
Why would anyone use this movie as an allegory for race or racism? If that is what the movie was made for, then good lord is it pro-segregation.
I love this movie. I just wish people gave movies like this a chance before judging it
It was pretty good!
Honestly, its pretty refreshing after all the dumsterfire movies we got
- Lightyear: Its trash, because the timeline of the movie does not make sense. Buzz's character is rewritten to be more unlikable, arrogant, and bossy. I dont think Andy would buy Buzz when his character is like that
- Little Mermaid Remake: Its trash, not because of raceswapping. Its because it made Eric pathetic and jabbed his character at every moment. It made Ariel a Mary Sue by making her swim to the surface without the assistance of Flounder and Sebastian and making her kill Ursula instead of Eric, despite having no experience to pilot a ship. Its also just 1:1 with the animation
- Pinocchio Remake: Besides being a lazy and cheap 1:1 remake of the animation, it sanitizes Pleasure Island by changing beer to root beer, changing the scenery in a way that defeats the point the animation tried to convey (In the original, Pleasure island was crime haven, while in the newer one, its just a Disneyland esque city)
- Toy Story 4: Its trash in the same sense Velma was, the characters are rewritten. For example, Buzz was dumb and kept pushing his buttons despite knowing what they do which goes against his character of being intelligent, Woody abandons his kid which goes against his character of being loyal to his kid no matter what. Even the message of "Bonnie doesn't care anymore" is invalid, because the movie tries to claim that she has stopped playing with Woody in the movie, but in reality, she still played with him during the road trip. Whether people like it or not, it proves that Bonnie still cares about Woody
- Lion King Remake: Its just another souless 1:1 remake. There is no point watching it when you can just watch the original
Disney should take notes on what movies they should make, instead of making remakes and sequels that do nothing but assasinate the characters and change the plot, they should make a movie with original characters. This movie proves that point very well
It's a kinda Disneys fault for not pushing this movie in masses enough.
I did judge it at first cause of the zootopia joke but when I watched it it’s story proves it’s not just a zootopia clone
@@bumblebeegamerreal pinocchio was the only trash movie on this list the other 4 are amazing
I saw this movie in theaters, and absolutely adored it! I just wish people gave it a chance before hating on it just because it didn't look like Spider-Verse.
@@Charziken909 yeah but the other half of the complaints weree aboutnot having stylized animation
@@Charziken909 And now that people have seen it, people are raving about it.
@@Charziken909 People are, in fact, saying it's one of the best Pixar movies in years! Stop lying!
I mean…Spider-Verse still solos, so… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@Charziken909 because nobody is going to go watch that movie it looks teriible
I really liked this movie. I went to see it opening night because I want more Pixar films in theaters!
internet expected it to underperform and its underperforming, so is not proving the internet wrong. In my case im sick tired of movies made to lecture the viewer plus the movie looks saturated as F, dont know who thought it was a good idea throwing the most quantity of characters on the screen and have em in the foreground all the time :s
I mean my father is married to a black women who I respect cause she's not an ass. That's about it I don't praise it nor do I think it's "revolutionary.".
Love is normal and yet people treat it as so abnormal within black dating whites and interracial that they put those relationships on a predistal. Which we shouldn't. These people in these relationships want to be just left alone usually and be treated as any relationship. Not being demeaned nor being praised. It's love!
The thing is, the differences between black people and white people aren't very big.
I feel like the problem is that all the movies are just good they're not doing anything experimental. They're aiming to please not excel.
Thats a fair point
Exactly
Playing it safe
Experimenting does not equal excelling. You have plenty of movies that have 'experimented' and they're small films that no one has heard of. Aiming to please should be a core aspect of all movies. I was pleased to see this movie twice. Shame it's not doing well, but maybe one it hits Disney + and in the coming weeks it might have a chance.
@@skeith1543 What I'm saying is they are working with the formula and they are not changing story wise. Every character in this film feels like a trope that's been used a lot by them. And to specify There isn't really much wrong with reusing a trope but they aren't doing anything creative with it here. Just meeting standard and not giving anything special to just this movie besides animation kinda.
I hope this gets the same treatment as Puss in Boots 2 where it starts slow at the box office and becomes a success overtime
I doubt it. The movie is meh. It’s not doing anything worth watching
@@BabyGirlTiny People enjoy it. That makes it worth watching
@@Pugkin5405Not all people enjoy it
I feel the problem with the movie and why its getting a mixed reaction is it released right after across the spider verse and got treally over shadowed with by it lol
@@BabyGirlTiny at least the animation is amazing. i dont blame anyone for not being interested but the film feels decent enough for admission. (besides the target demographic is children, i'd think the setting is cool if i was younger so maybe next weekend could work after all.)
I'm pretty sure there are people out there who have grown up not ever being told interracial relationships were abnormal or not allowed by their parents, so I can definitely see a person like Wade existing. Reminds me of My Dress Up Doll where the girl is very encouraging and enthusiastic of the guy's hobby. People like this do exist and I hope there are more people like them in the future.
My Dress-Up Darling, you mean?
People forget not every movie needs to be a super engaging experience and sometimes, just offering the experience of going to the theaters is just as good as emotionally rich and rewarding story. I loved the new Spiderverse movie but mainly because I saw it with friends in theaters. I'm sure it's no Toy Story or Encanto but it looks simple and cute enough to give the intended audience a pleasant theater experience
yeah i get that. and thats more the attitude i have with like, the mario movie or whatever. its just not what you expect from pixar. theyve had their flops but it feels remarkable every time bc of their track record
Does every movie need to be great? No. Do I need to spend money on or care about a non-great movie, or a movie that’s “just okay?” Also no. And I think that’s a similar process many people had when thinking about seeing this movie. No, it’s doesn’t have to be great-but Pixar won’t make much money if it isn’t.
5:07 the issue is that bigotry never really is "rational" , which is a trap alot of racism allegories fall into. They look at the excuses irl bigots make and take them at face value.
Agreed, racism is hate, nothing more, there is no logical reason----fundamentally there are potential related reasons for why one logically might not like another (ie previously proven/established safety issues) in the movie that unfortunately conflate with one another, and it weakens the whole allegory.
Simply put, I think the movie would have been better off finding a more fitting allegory for fire and water----racism is definitely not one of them, especially when Ember (as mentioned in vid) seemed to be unrealistically/unequally/unfairly shielded by the writers during the leak/dam sequence (contradicts the whole allegory premise, feels contrived, fake)----which is too bad as that easily could have been a great character moment-----instead we got a sub-standard contrivance that weakens the supposed racism allegory even further than it already was, while drawing more attention to the shaky state of it------I guess this shows how important it is for writers to comprehensively plan and understand the premise/concept scientifically, inside, outside, and throughout----that's sort of the beauty of writing, you learn so much, that you can bring new meaning to even the most simple things in life----that some may even take for granted---in that sense they got halfway, they found something simple to give complex meaning to (fire and water), unfortunately they just didn't find the best meaning for it.
Instead they chose one they thought was right probably without enough forethought-----so it ended up only being 'right' until it clearly wasn't.
As for the Romance plot, yeah the video sums it up, too one sided (development-wise).
You're 100% a type of person who'd call someone else a "fascist" for disagreeing with your opinion
@@insertunoroginalnamehere6189 there is a difference between an excuse and understanding teh reason.
If water people were taught in school that fire poeple were bad, or previously had a war with fire people, or any other explanation, disliking the fire people as a group would still be just as wrong, but we would have some understanding of what caused this animosity.
Its the differnece between a bad guy who has a motivation for why he is a evil and a bad guy who is evil becuase he loves badness and hates nice things.
We can try to understand something or examine it without endorsing it.
@@insertunoroginalnamehere6189 like the guy above me said, there's a difference between an excuse and a reason. Everything has a reason behind it, but can only become an excuse when YOU personally agree with it.
It doesn't really matter what your personal opinions on certain views are. But claiming that these views have no reason whatsoever behind them just shows how underdeveloped of a person you are.
@@selamandreykum5844 Yeah that would have been better than the allegory they tried to push; curious, the guy you responded to deleted his comment, what was he saying?
I haven't seen the movie yet but it feels like a world in Kingdom hearts.
I saw the article that they have the worst release of Pixar’s decade history. Reaching just $29.5million at the box office lol
They also said the same thing about the flash..but I m not watching that as the same reason I won’t watch aquaman. (Sorry Jason momoa)
I have literally 0 problem with it, in one right now myself in fact, but it really just seems like the entire movie is a thinly veiled metaphor for interracial relationships lol
The plot just looked boring to me. I’ll probably wait until it’s on Disney plus.
I think the plot itself is not boring at all compared to Avatar 2. The bad trailer for this movie is probably the reason why some are not interested in it.
Visuals don't save a boring story
i think it's not boring compared to Avatar 2.
I'm still skipping it. Not out of moral objection, but because it's such a *done-to-death* formula even just within Disney-Pixar. I just feel like... if you've seen Wreck-It Ralph or Inside Out, you've seen Elemental.
I honestly, to my surprise, actually enjoyed watching this movie. While not perfect, it's still very fun to watch; and some scenes were emotional enough to touch me. The animation is unique, the story is good, and the characters are fun. And the chemistry between Wade and Ember is pretty believable, because it does take its time to develop it - even if you can tell almost right away. And I suppose their personalities almost match their elements: Ember has trouble with her fiery temper, while Wade tends to be a sympathy cryier. To me, Wade and Emver have one of the most realistic relationships in a Disney movie, because while you can tell there is something between them, they still start off as good friends, and confirm their love near the end of the movie; this becoming a real couple. They say opposites attract, and that's very true in their case - but they also have things in common. The moment when Ember met Wade's family was fun to watch because it showed how far society has come to accepting others; and yes, the game where Wade made Ember cry for the first time was very touching because it what sparked their true feeling for each other.
It would have been nice to hear more about Wade's father; like what can of man he was, what he did for a living, and what caused their relationship to drift away. It also would have been nice to see more of Clod, he definitely should of had a bigger role. I also wish they explained more of the crack in the dam - did it just get old, or was it caused by something? The part where Ember and Wade have an argument over their differences, that I also wish could of had a bit more attention. I mean, Ember got her say on how she feels, but Wade never really explained his point of view. Maybe he could have told Ember that just because he comes from luxury, he never truly did what he wanted because of everything his father expected of him growing up - and his dying wish was for Wade to find his own path. Also, Wade could have told Ember that the reason his family has money is because of how much work they put into making a life for their families.
Overall, I did enjoy the movie. And I actually thought that Wade died in the end - but it's Disney; they don't do that. And I'm actually glad they didn't. It would have been nice to see more of Ember and Wade's childhood. Maybe have them cross each other's paths multiple times, but never actually interacted. If there's ever a sequel...I'd watch it. Maybe it could be about Wade and Ember getting married and starting a family.
To add to this, the writing in Elemental is a lot deeper and nuanced than what people and critics gave it credit for.
Yes, there is the Romeo and Juliet trope, but this entire movie was about belonging and the difficulties of being an immigrant and trying to “break away” from their natural elements.
Her family left their home country for a better life and it’s obvious that she was pressured to live up to their expectations.
A love story was painted in the trailers and narrative but I don’t think it was the vocal point imo. This was more of a father/daughter story rather than the trope of trying to be with your lover at all costs.
It’s a shame that it is looking like a box office flop but I hope people eat humble pie when when they finally watch on Disney+
there was an ending scene from the writers said that was cut that wade and ember had a steam baby
@@Savataric oh dayum 👀
I really think the marketing was what put people off. Marketing these days is poor for a lot of movies. Almost all fail to capture the movies feel without selling you on the plot and the end
It just doesnt appeal to me.
I completely agree, though I did definitely relate way more to Wade being simultaneously incompetent, and capable... and falling for the first girl to give him the time of day. Ember was his spark... his shot of confidence to put the "odd jobs" he did to actual work... that's why he's only confident around people who can offer stability... a conscience, of sorts. It makes perfect sense why Ember would be super reluctant too, even without the added "fire" family pressure, because she's messed up everything she's ever attempted, when it comes to reading people, and definitely has trust issues... add that to the whole fire/water dynamic, and it's beautiful.
But yeah, completely agree about Ember and her father... I nearly cried I was so happy.
Also completely agree this film doesn't deserve the hate... I've seen it twice now... and it's just such a wholesome story. Yes it's nothing new... no it's not going to blow your mind or rip your heartstrings out... but it's a good film, and it's great to see Pixar back in theaters.
Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather watch "the same old story" in theaters, than at home... it's just better.
Take care my friend!
Am I the only one who interprets the movie as not being about race at all?
I interpret as people of different core personalities, as in the belief that people with "fire personality" doesn't mix with people with "water personality" and so on.
(This doesn't have anything to do with the zodiac though the resemblance is there.)
I genuinely liked this film, it kinda shown difference between people and all that. Ember was my favorite 😮
This movie was EXACTLY what I expected, nothing less, nothing more. I really enjoyed it, generic story but an entertaining way of doing it. It was beautiful and lovely I watch. While it was a mediocre 7/10, in the same vein of the Mario Movie, if mediocre is a 7/10 for Pixar, I’m hopeful for the future, unlike the people who just complain, I think they deliver. Turning Red was amazing in my opinion. And the Elio trailer looks REALLY good.
When does this movie comes on Disney+?
No offense but this aged like milk.
My friend and I loved Elemental... many jokes about how after Ember's mother found out Wade and her were together, she was like "Finally, you can give me some grandkids!"
If this movie was made a decade ago by Pixar, all the factors you mentioned would have been better implemented.
This, the quality standard for pixar has gone down for sure. It used to be great, and boundary pushing both with the animation and the stories, but that is less so the case with each movie they release, but het it's only natural, some other studio will eventually rise up to pick up the slack: People need to let pixar go, and if it just becomes some higher quality illumination kind of studio, then so be it.
Apparently it didn’t do too good at proving that because it had the lowest Pixar opening ever.
Well, considering how Rotten Tomato is usually a place full of toxicity and negativity, 76% critic rating is very decent. Last I checked the audience score was around 85%
Hardly an abomination the sheepish internet made Elemental out to be.
@@cbgg1585 probably because almost nobody did go see it lmao
@@cbgg1585 I’m not saying the movie is bad( haven’t gotten to see it yet), but it could be a masterpiece, but if it doesn’t make money they it’s still a commercial failure unfortunately. Which right now is the path it’s looking at.
Isnt it flopping???
Movies like this make me wish america produced stuff like akira or attack on titan. You know, actual adult stories with beautiful animation rather than Romeo and Juliet with a glass of water and a matchstick with the most banal racial commentary ever
In the last month the film has slowly but surely made more than 300 million at box office. It now is projected to make at least 400 million
It ended up making more, eventually got to $496 million worldwide
"Its not that bad" is not what pixar was shootin for tho
Bombed at box office, it looked so generic i didn't bother to watch it. The dad puns in trailer didnt help
Bruh, I had an Elemental ad before this video even started.
I just got an ad for Elemental before the video started
Apparently this movie became a success in the international markets and is the best performing Disney animated film since Frozen 2 in 2019 lol
I didn't like the movie cuz at this point this whole allegory thing dosnt work
Disney you want to make a movie bout racism just make a movie bout racism don't try to make it all cutesy with animals or elements cuz the message dosnt translate through that
Yes predators eat pray and yes fire burns things, if your message is overlook those things and nothing bad will ever happen then that says alot bout the directors or Disney's opinions on the argument, that some "allegory for certain race" are just naturally more destructive and dangerous and that's okay
Not that's not a good message for kids
I genuinely think it's one the same level or even lower than osmosis John's and the way that movie handles the idea of "race"
The only time where the race allegory got me was the opening. Not just when Embers parents are speaking a different language when they first arrive, but when the dude on the desk ask for their names, and he couldn't understand what he was saying, decided to just GIVE them their names instead if leaving their (birth? Idk how it works in this film.) name alone... I might be looking WAY too deep into it, but it kinda reminds of when white people kidnapped black folks from their homes into America and then replaced their birth names with the names they gave them.
I'm just kind of tired of the race allegory. Between Zootopia, Luca, Beastars, X-men and many others, it seems to be the same basic ideas without any real nuance.
Movies that try to be allegories for race or discrimination are so dumb when the characters are so different from each other in ways that humans are not. It's even worse when it's a movie like Zootopia or Elemental.
@@andyfriederichsen It's even worse when you miss the point?
@@Pugkin5405what point is there to miss?
@@Vexxel256 Not the one you got
Proving anyone wrong has nothing to do with how poorly it's doing in theaters
You know the movie is a financial bomb right? Pretty sure that means the internet was right. The Flash is currently beating it.
It's doing worse than Lightyear.
If wade and ember had kids the would be similar to the cloud element because when Fire and Water mix they make stream and if they made a second one I’m curious to see what it can do
If the movie is as good as you say it is then that's a shame sense it's currently Pixar's worst performing film yet as far as the box office goes. On one hand their original films flopping is bad because it will push them toward making more sequels but on the other hand Disney is to blame for it not doing well with their recent string of mediocre movies and controversies not to mention their failed advertising for this movie.
Its not that good. its very mediocre. If zootopia was average is basically what it is.
Well, the Rotten Tomatoes audience score being in the 90s range is a good sign, but this movie could've been better if Pixar wasn't rushed to make it.
I agree when you said "Elemental could've had deeper topics that'll make their connection more in depth" (I'm paraphrasing the quote). I think if it was rated PG-13 it'll touch on deeper subjects related to that. Regardless, when I first watched Elementals, it was really good on 1) how to break the stigma of two concenting people can't be in a relationship (interracial relationships, LGBTQ+ relationships, and probably polygamy relationships), 2) how hard it is for anyone to open up especially for a person who's constantly keeping their guard up, and 3) knowing that galling in love can be scary you shouldn't push is away, or run away from it.
I find kinda sad how Disney/Pixar have had a reputation for making mid, safe movies. They're had some Bad movies like Cars 2, Good Dinosaur and Lightyear. And some polarizing ones like Luca and Turning Red. But they can still make really good stuff. I get it's mainly because of movies like Spiderverse and PIB 2 using diferents animation Styles and taking more risks in storytelling. But like, I don't really think Pixar is that bad.
I would make an attempt to see this film if it was more stylized, despite the mid story. You could argue that the character designs are stylized but to me they honestly look like first drafts. Like yep, that sure is a water person. Yep, that sure is a fire person.
Funny enough, I got an ad for Elemental before the video
These race allegories typically never work because often in these movies, zootopia, elemental, etc. The creators always make there be a valid reason for them to NOT be together, which doesn’t apply to real life. Foxes ARE predators to bunnies. There’s no real life equivalency to this which is why people don’t like these race allegories in animated movies that don’t use humans.
I don't know about Elemental since I haven't seen it yet, but upon recently rewatching I think Zootopia's race allegory checks out.
First the question isn't whether or not an animal is predator or prey, it's whether or not they're inherently dangerous.
While "predator type" animals do have THE CAPABILITY to badly harm a "prey type" animal, there's no logical reason to ASSUME that the predator animal is MORE dangerous than ANY prey animal by simply BEING there.
The scene that portrayed this the most obviously, was during that section when animals started fearing predators because Judy said they were inherently dangerous due to their "biology". A tiger is minding his business looking at his phone while a rabbit fearfully clutches their child. While you can say that a tiger can do a lot of damage to a rabbit, there's no reason to ASSUME that they will, which is the entire race allegory.
Even around the time that Zootopia came out, biologists were thinking about getting rid of words like "predator" and "prey, because it wasn't accurate enough to an animals behavior, food, or any kind of important information from an animal. I can't remember the name of the animal, but the rodent mafia leader is a great example of this. Despite his small size, he's still the most dangerous "predator" in his ecosystem.
Long story short, the lesson was that you shouldn't judge how "dangerous" or "safe" an animal could be based on their race because it's entirely inconsequential to their behavior. You should look at what PERSON they are and I think it did it well.
@@Trecherousbeast Predators/carnivores have literally EVOLVED to eat meat and can't survive without it in their diets.
The rodent mafia dude wasn't a predator. Just a crimelord.
@@andyfriederichsen The mafia boss is a shrew which is a type of predator that eat insects and other things.
@@AlemoBavir Good point.
@@Trecherousbeast erm… the “predators” are literally carnivores. They can only eat meat… uhhhh
Should have been a fireboy and watergirl movie
Maybe I'll see it if you recommend it but honestly they've utterly failed with the marketing I have seen literally nothing that looks appealing to me whatsoever in any of the promotional material, the character design is bad, the humor seems bland or stale, the plot is somehow both fresh and generic, etc. It just seems entirely unappealing to me. But maybe that's not the movie's fault, the promotional team seems to have failed it.
In the words of immortan joe, I found this movie MEDIOCREEEEEEEE
This movies gonna be a cult classic for sure i can only see a certain type of person enjoying it after the movie is out of theaters
Image if this movie was produced by netflix or illumination - it would be instant hit.
It did eventually become quite successful at the box office though
Can't wait to see how it fits into the Pixar Theory!!!
I loved the movie. Ember and Wade’s love story was so beautiful and heartwarming. I cried a lot.
There was a lot of crying in the movie
Secret water elemental comment 😂
Until one accidentally kills the other or they both kill each other by accident. 😂
@@alexandersolodovnikov4840 Pun intended?
@@andyfriederichsen 😭😭
Honestly its underated only because not many people saw it since for some reason they barely had any marketing for the movie :/
It just feels like the same kind of story we seen a load of time in such a short timeframe.
Like they could have taken a lot more risks to break from the same by the numbers movie...movie
Hot Take:
From what I’ve seen, the characters look kinda ugly. personally
I swear to god, elementals is good, but i'm sad it's not doing well.
I even made an image meme on DeviantArt to prove that people should stop skipping theatrical releases of Disney and Pixar movies.
Well Elemental isn't as good as Zootopia, but it's definitely better than Strange World. And that's why it's great.
Elemental is really soothing, sure it not going to do well in the box office since people are mostly into spider-man, and the flash on the same weekend night. But I actually love the romance with Wade and Ember. Sure Wade can’t keep up a job but he very good at reading people more because he’s a sensitive guy. He can picks up Ember’s feelings which something Ember wants when she can’t express since she scared of hurting her father. Maybe for a long time she thought she can handle the family business but she felt pressured by multiple rude customers which is relatable to due to I work at a grocery store during the pandemic 😢
zootopia was about almost the exact same subject matter and that crushed at the box office.
The Flash is also a box office bomb😊
@@nullakjg767 yeah but the furries community is very big XD
@nikkichhun You… might be right about that. Huh. But Zootopia was also doing something that was new when it was made. Elemental isn’t new. Even in promotional materials actors and people FROM PIXAR compared it to Zootopia. And Zootopia still does the race allegory better because people aren’t getting physically hurt by being around someone different. Plus, it was more interpretative and didn’t line up completely 1:1 with real life. Plus, it can be enjoyed just as a buddy cop mystery movie. (Which is how most kids saw it)
@@PeregrineFalcon646 in story wise, yes zootopia does win. But just because the movie is about world building, it doesn’t mean it a copy. Like DreamWorks does fairytale movies with Sherk and puss n boots despite Disney did fairytale movies first. Is it the same? Either way, some ideas do tend to feel like they copy, it’s hard to make new ideas these days anyway 😭
I liked the romance and the generational part of the movie a lot, but the racial allegory was absolutely tone def. Generally, in this kind of movie you whant to promote the idea that "we're not that different" but here the world building and the plot just enhances the idea of segregation. We see multiple times throughout the film how fire elemental can pose a real danger to all the other dwellers of the city. And in the end Ember and Waid just solve the whole thing with the power of love which "changed their chemistry". Zootopia did the same story way better.
Also the whole repairing Dam story arc felt like an afterthought.
Even Zootopia doesn't do a very good job of being an allegory for racial discrimination.
I agree with you Bernie and Ember relation was the best part. Really like the movie, even if it's not perfect (cloud and earth characters or I don´t like or don´t have showed perspective of them about fire), I really like it
i love this movie, not one of their best movies but it’s definitely not the worse. this movie is better than most of the recent movies that have premiered and does not deserve the hate its receiving whatsoever. it contains somewhat stuff that disney/pixars movies have been lacking these few years.
this film was also able to connect with audience that had been going through similar problems or are going through them. as a point of view i seen this story as immigrant parents moving from one place to another (a different state, country, etc.) and hoping the best for their children with that, having way too high hopes for their children to achieve. Amber is shown as a the “child” of the immigrant parents who is afraid to disappoint due to her parents having to sacrifice everything they’ve ever known from where they came from like family and the way their home used to work to give their child a better future than from what Amber could of had received if they would of had stayed. therefore she decides to go with her parents “dream” of running management of the shop being a “tradition” and decides to sacrifice her own love life and childhood out of guilt. (once again, my point of view)
however, i think this movie could of been better with plotting. I love the design and the “we can’t be together but we’ll get through with this” relationship, i also love that they used a lauv song.
I don't want to go see this movie, as I don't find it interesting or appealing at all... But I am glad you found some enjoyment out of it.
I liked this movie it was a cool 7/10 had great animation although I wish we got more world building.
3:03 I think that Wade’s maturity makes a lot of sense. He’s just really in tune with his emotions so he’s able to figure it out more. I think the more you feel, the more you think about why you feel - he has a lot of emotional maturity.
I think it was refreshing to see an overly-emotional guy who isn’t a total wreck. He’s not ashamed to be emotional and it seems to work out well for him. He doesn’t bottle his emotions or put up a wall. I think it’s why Ember and Wade work.
I don’t think it would’ve fit if he was vague, unsure, or inexperienced, he is a full grown adult. I understand the whole two characters working themselves out together might be more appealing but, Ember was our main protagonist. With the way the POV is set up, I think it makes sense that we only see Ember’s progression through Wade’s influence.
tbh the character designs are so meh that its hard to convince myself to care. i mean, i just saw spider verse in the theatre. with something so spectacular and creative still fresh in my mind, why would i bother with something so much more paint by numbers? releasing it so close to spider verse was a mistake tbh
I put Elemental in my Pixar top 10. Loved it! Granted it does have its flaws. I do agree with you that the racism focus was a little weak, which is why it isn't number #1, that will always belong to WALL-E 😉. I think though it was clearly established that fire faces xenophobia because they are the newest element (Ember is only second generation) and because they are the most destructive. I can't figure out how air and water can die, they seem invincible! 😂. Anyway, i'm not saying more scenes of it shouldn't have been included, I would have like to have seen that, but i'm satisfied with what we got.
I will argue, respectively, that Wade did grow as a character during this movie. In a real life relationship, the couple is supposed to learn and grow from one another. Ember obviously did, since she is the focus, but Wade did too. He learned to live his life to its potential, take risks rather than just go from one job to the next like he said. This is why he pushs Ember and also fights for their relationship. Wade also, because of his social class difference, didn't understand Ember's struggles. He learns however the importance of culture from Ember, ending up risking his life for something that he has no knowledge of, but he knows is important. So I wouldn't say he was all mature, he had room to grow and did so.
I do hope that it can be popular when it is available on streaming and home video.🙏🔥🌊
Best movie of the year. Change my mind.
You need to read the book "Unlikely Friends", is very interesting and they respond your questions
I think people forgot how to just enjoy a fine movie. Not all movies can be 10/10 with world breaking characters, jaw dropping dialog, and visuals from the heavens. And every single movie doesn't NEED to be.
People just need to appreciate art for what it originally is.
This wording, "visuals from the heavens," made my night. Thank you
This one is 6/10.
I personally enjoyed the movie, but would also say that the movie is good, not great. I agree with pretty much everything you pointed out, like how I wish the Air/Wind & Earth elements were shown more + how Fire people are in their point view. I also didn't care much about the love story, and I agree that it seemed like Wade was the one leading their relationship too much (I think they're cute, though!)
Literally got an Elemental advert before this video. Nice work Jay
Alpha Jay, it doesn't matter whether or not the movie proved the internet wrong. A majority of the people refuse to see the movie due to Pixar's previous mistakes and for being out of touch with the audience. As of now I think that a massive amount of the damage is done. But aside from that I think the movie did awesome in my opinion. Though it's a pity they didn't't release this before Lightyear and Strange World. There would've been such a difference in the Box Office.
Don't worry, they have Blackrock to bail them out once they go bankrupt.
@@Ordoabchao-x9kit would be a nice change of pace for BlackRock IMO, maybe they can bail out streamers down the line and leave the housing market alone
Yeah that plus the failure of marketing is the real reason why this movie isn't doing so well right now. Which is unfortunate cause the movie is honestly good, but Pixar's probably gonna having to take twice the time making good movies that they did making bad ones to get their audience's trust back.
The film did not prove the Internet wrong. It proved the Internet RIGHT. Go Woke, Go Broke. Or in layman's terms "the customer's always right, bitch".
@@DR3ADER1 the movie is pretty meh, but how is it woke? it's as cookie cutter as it gets really
Could you please do a video about the 20th century fox-Nick movie deal that happened in 1993? That is a very interesting fact that few people know that you should speak in a future video.
I don’t know how Elementals race allegory was “heavy handed”. Such a view is subjective. And historically institutional racism, (even now) is often as blunt as fire-b0mb to a home of people in the wrong neighborhood. Etc 🤦🏾♂️🤣
When I saw the trailer I saw it as either a story that was already done to death or a story that tried something before but do way worse. For me it was the latter, like a much worse zootopia in a way, and when I saw the movie I was half tempted to walk away and forget this existed, I did end up watching it anyway, and while it wasn’t as bad as I thought, I just thought it was just… average, nothing bad, it definitely did some things well, but it just felt nothing special
this movie was a massive letdown to me, I would have preferred ZooTWOpia, yes I know it's Disney and not Pixar but I'm so let down by it
Lol, Zoo2pia is happening though.
They should call it that! (or use it for promos)😂🐰❤🦊
Seeing the movie on my 21st birthday this Wednesday!