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Film Theory: The Inside Out 2 Emotions Are All WRONG!
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Inside Out 2 was such a beautiful movie, wasn't it, loyal Theorist? And after a few hits and misses, we're happy that Pixar is back on track with a success. So you just knew that we couldn't let this movie slide. Today we're exploring Riley's psychological state to see what emotions would really be in control of her. Will anxiety, ennui, joy, and anger stick around? Or could other emotions take control? Strap in for one emotional roller coaster!
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Sneaking MatPat as sadness in the blue memory ball is crazy 💀
Should’ve been happy and sad
Again
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@JolasBobas-jn3ui😂
Fr
Honestly, I felt like Disgust was doing the job of "Love" in the second movie. Yes, there's the funny moments with the action character and her knowing Riley's crushes, but I thought it made sense with how she's described in the movies. She knows what Riley hates, dislikes, and is disgusted by. So of course she'd know the opposite; what Riley enjoys, likes, and loves.
I think it'd be interesting for future movies if Disgust had to "switch jobs" or learn to handle more work, especially as Riley gets older and wants to have a more mature, adult relationship with someone.
Maybe its cuz she still finds attraction kinda disgusting still
Disgust "promoting" into Love makes a lot of narrative sense, every kid has that "Boys/girls are gross" phase that they grow out of.
You could make the same argument for joy/sadness: if Sadness knows what upsets Riley, then shouldn't Sadness know the opposite, that which makes Riley happy?
Yes i think it would make sense if she ended up handling both emotions. It would look cool if she developed some pink/purple characteristics over time due to being both love and resentment/disgust
@@fridamrch4759 Ennui is purple, embarrassment is pink
14:19 "Grief is just love left unexpressed" Or as Queen Elizabeth II used to say, "grief is the price we pay for love".
15:00 - this is exactly what I was thinking before you reached this point.
It also would explain why the parents also seemed to only have a few emotions in their heads, as each of these is simply the head of their own emotional hierarchy.
Minor correction: from what I've heard, the emotions don't so much pilot Riley as they do just dictate how she's feeling at any given moment (which, go figure, is the purpose of emotions). Riley still retains her agency independent of them, and it's been shown her mind can accept or reject any of the idea lightbulbs the emotions give.
Also at one point in developing the first movie, they did consider Surprise as an emotion but figured that it was too close to Fear, so they just kinda merged those ideas into Fear.
Gotta remember at the end of the first movie when she becomes depressed she literally shuts down the control panel for her emotions.
@@archtansterpg4246 I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety.
Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence.
Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends.
Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
Also, we can't forget that at the end of the movie, when Riley feels joy, she calls upon Joy by the movie showing the console pulling Joy in with particles, and Joy walks up to the plate to take control.
Exactly what I was thinking, especially when it comes to that point when anxiety is trying to get Riley to abandon her friends but her values are getting in the way, showing that other things can directly negate the actions of an emotion.
@@DORAisD34D Much like how these emotions can be negative, they can also be positive. However, I understand what you mean. I would 100% want to see more of those emotions be more fleshed out and see the influence they could have to the entire system.
Something I noticed is that in the movie the adults are also controlled by just the "big 5", and at the end Riley's mom's anxiety is shown for a moment and her sadness says "Welcome back, Anxiety", which heavily implies that the emotions we met in Inside Out 2 are not permanent and adults actually get more numb again, and I do wonder if that is something we see in real life.
And the dad’s anxiety is always just out of view(he got no fan fare)
I think that Riley's mom's anxiety came from the offices under the "Great 5" and went quickly to report them her serious concerns about Riley's hair.
I feel like the adults have just gotten better at coping with their anxieties and what not, so they’re not shown often
@@cornchips3285 Yes, part of being an adult is managing your emotions and not letting them run your entire way of life!
Or else anxiety got promoted to "headquarters" after the mom "demoted" anxiety a.k.a numbingly ignored it and is now accepting it again as an emotion
PUTTING THE LAST AIRBENDER MOVIE AS THE ANGRY MEMORY WAS A GENIUS TOUCH OMG
Fear and Anxiety are TOTALLY two diffrent emotions.
You can fear the scary bear that's standing right in front of you.
But when you fear a bear that *might* be somewhere, maybe you're in a big city but there's always a chance... that's anxiety.
Anxiety is hypervigilant fear, seeing danger that's not there. But it's still fear
You still said fear, It's two different emotions, just that Anxiety is usually a subordinate to Fear.
*Insert Freddy Fazbear laugh here*
then i feel anxiety almost every day 💀
Fear and Anxiety are not *totally* different, I would say Anxiety is subordinate to Fear. I feel anxious *because* of my fear(that may or may not be reasonable, real and coming very-very soon). Although people feel emotions differently, from my experience I would not say they are much different. I actually think, that "the big five", controlling everyone, should be "upgrading" everytime, so Anxiety is just an old pal Fear, but advanced. Boredom could be an advanced Disgust, Envy... Maybe advanced Sadness? Idk. I do think that shame could be Sadness though. And actually I would've loved to look at that conflict - Joy and others feel themselves different and they are shocked by each other's behavior. Fear aka Anxiety could've still do the same thing, as in the movie, but the problem is that nobody understands what happens, why is he doing that, why are them being different and how they should deal with all that. That would've been both hilarious and intriguing.
“Or the death of her parents”
Pixar Executives: WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!
dont weorry its disney
They will insist
maybe that will be in insideout 4 and maybe nostalgia will be introduced
@@CuppaLLX Pixar*
CHARLES THE FRENCH
Yeaaaaaaaaaag
Suprise: existing
Pixar:We can't have that happen
The surprise was how good inside out 2 was.
@@whirl43 I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety.
Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence.
Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends.
Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
Maybe Surprise really is the friends we made along the way...
@@Potato_Of_Regrets Pikachu
Surprise: Exists
Pixar: P E R I S H
The anxiety scene in inside out 2 was my favorite scene, mainly because it was the most relatable to me, i have severe anxiety. So seeing a film showing things that i relate to is nice to see. It can take me 20 minutes to stop an anxiety attack. I am a male teenager who has a mom that also has severe anxiety (thats where i get it from)
I think a good plot of inside out 3 would be that Riley fall in love with a guy and at the end of the movie she broke up, so we could see new emotions like Love, compassion and depression. (Compassion could show up because one of her friend broke up and they end up in the same situation)
Already Riley likes a boy named Jordan
Mario wasn’t having a Panic attack he was just trying to recover from being launched through a freakin building
Finally, someone who spouts facts
THANK YOU
so then he was scared or fear which ties in with anxiety and anxiety ties in with panic attack
I feel like that would still spark a panic attack.
@@amedotuniverse652 It was launched through a freaking building. Adrenaline is definitely going to run through me for both mental and physical sense.
my biggest problem with Inside Out 2 is they are expecting us to believe that up until 13 years old Riely has never felt boredom. Like have they ever been with a kid on a long ride?
Also envy? I've felt envy when I was a toddler
@@yodarchernia9944 ennui isn’t just boredom, it’s also the lack of caring for something.
To add to what theo said, Disgust and Anger both covered boredom for Riley. A kid may be bored, but they never brood like a teen or tween does, they're very likely to yell "MUM! I'M BORED!" or "THIS IS BORING!" in an angry or disgusted way, respectively. If you've ever seen a bored kid, they never stay bored for long because they always find a way to do something about it haha!
@@HYDROCARBON_XDI've felt anxiety when I was 7
And I really don't think she has never felt shame before. I can guess, Sadness covered it before... But still.
Disney:"hmmm, what if we made a good film and... We have a panic atack in it"
Pixar:"ok..."
What would be really cool is if like he said there was a hierarchy, but instead of them all being in Riley’s mind, the lower level emotions are INSIDE the highest level emotions mind! So let’s say Riley is sad because her friends leave her for someone ‘better’ and then sadness is like “I’ll take the wheel from here” and inside sadness’ mind, resentment or something else takes the wheel of sadness. That seems like a really good way to make the franchise even better, and stay relevant for longer in society.
9:43 As someone who struggles with Anxiety... YES. ABSOLUTELY. Inside Out 2 pretty much portrayed Anxiety _perfectly._
Interesting. I gotta watch it
Down to the fact that the thoughts themselves are not bad, just the cadence they happen (ie losing sleep over big events)
Dude it’s actually insane how perfect they portrayed it. Especially buildup to the panic attack scene. I felt that on a SPIRITUAL level 😭
I have anxiety too, the making up fake scenarios is so true!!!!
EXACTLYY
Debatably, you could see Anxiety as being a kind of 'young', partially developed version of Vigilance. Anxiety is often a situation of over-anticipation, and since Vigilance is all about anticipation and guarding oneself, I could see Anxiety maturing to become Vigilance as Riley grows older. I say this as someone who struggles with an anxiety disorder, so don't come at me saying I can't possibly be right because I haven't experienced it.
“Grief is just love preserving” from Disney themselves too
It's fascinating how much depth of psychology is carefully woven into Inside Out. The prospect of a more complex emotional structure in the forthcoming sequels truly underlines the inherent complexity of human emotions.
There's also a LOT of not so hidden gags. Like Anxiety bringing a lot of (emotional) baggage.
I think that Inside Out is definitely one of the best pixar movies to have ever been created and will have a legacy for years to come. Just like Wall-E!
@@icarue993 I'm so dumb I didn't even notice that
They did consult child psychologists for the films.
@@pokechatter about 4 or so
5:40 I just kept saying Anxiety since the emotions can be more than one thing like Envy is admiration and Anxiety is Vigilance
@@justadragonwithaphone8878 I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety.
Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence.
Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends.
Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
Envy really felt less like Envy and more like Emulation.
There wasn’t much resentment or hate in what she did.
Ennui can be sarcasm too bc of that scene
Vigilance would be Anxiety and Joy working together. Like how at the end of the movie, Anxiety remembers the test and Joy keeps Anxiety focused on preparing for it rather than spiralling out of control.
holy i just commented basically the same thing, great minds 🤝🤝
HR in the inside out would be crazy to explain to a child. An emotion like character to make other emotions work better together.
I remember specifically studying this topic when I was getting my degree in art education. I teach Riley’s age group (12-15 yo), and I can confirm that the emotional roller coaster that happens in the second movie is accurate for my students. One of the necessities of my job is that I teach my students how to recognize and understand their emotions and learn how regulate them through artistic expression. There is a reason why art therapy is a whole separate schooling than other types of therapy.
I also had the thought of the emotions wheel during the film, like complex emotions are offshoots of simpler ones and not separate. I was also a little confused why there were emotions that can be classified as negative, while there was still only one main positive emotion. Peace, euphoria, etc, are connections to Joy so they are represented in her, but Fear and Anxiety are separate? And the same with Envy, which I think would be represented in Disgust. I agree that it is very difficult to simplify highly complex psychology into a 90 minute movie which the added need for a variety of unique characters and storyline. I love Inside Out and I think it did a great job at showing representation of adolescent psychology. It makes the conversation around social-emotional learning (SEL if you are in children education) a lot easier to have and discuss.
I also think the funniest joke in Inside Out 2 was during the career parade where the emotions said, “Art teacher? Nah, too under appreciated.” 😂
That’s not anxiety, that’s existential dread
Anxiety is really surprise
JolasBobas ate too many cogs
When your parents say 'We need to talk':
.
True
I have no doubt that Matpat's brain has its own feeling called LOOOOOORE. Imagine that as matpat gets ready for a loredump, the feeling of Lore steps straight up and is prepared to lay everything down.
I always felt like anxiety is more of a disorder than an emotion. anxiety is not a normal response, you fear things you shouldn't be or you over exaggerate that fear
I think asking how many emotions there are is like asking how many colours there are.
As many as we name.
Also, the colours that are imperceptible.
Bro is Gerry Keay?!
@@amphibiland7315 magnus archives mention
Complex emotions with a hierarchy would be a great idea for a movie.
That probably should have been a concept for inside out 2. Not just new emotions showing up but new emotions and the core 5 trying to figure out how to manage them. That's exactly what puberty is.
Isn’t that pretty much what happened though? The new emotions overthrew the main ones and the main group had to figure out how to get ahold of them and manage them correctly
This is why you need to show the people who make the thumbnail and title the video.
Dude.... The mario movie with the scene where mario had a "panic attack" 0:51 its more like stress because he knows he could die, and if i remember correctly he got hit to a wall so he got stressed out.... Understand readers of this comment
7:07 not me expecting matpat's face for bitter sweetness
I don't see it, where is it?
@@Grayscale10a1it’s a joke bud
@@zasproductions9258 oh, sorry
it should have been bittersweetness cuz the movie made it perfectly with what happend with matpat not sadness in the beggining
I swear matpat hates me 💀
I bet 100% that in Matpat's brain, LOOOOORE is it's own emotion. Imagine matpat getting ready for a loredump and then the Lore emotion steps right up front ready to lay it all down.
pops up whenever dead kids are mentioned
You mean curiosity for wisdom of worlds?
yep
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I could imagine a character called Passion being introduced where he is just a super energetic, intense, and maybe a little crazy character and is basically the hype man of the group and when Riley is feeling an emotion “passionately” it could be him cheering on the one at the console.
I do remember an animator who came to my school to recruit students during production and mentioned they did have a list of over 100 at one point so I do think that they considered this wheel at one point
I want Inside Out 3 to see the emotions themselves start changing and becoming more complicated themselves. Like Fear further spans all the way from Terror to Courage with a lot more range to him; but they’re at first unstable. I think it’s a good way to cover more stuff without just adding more characters. Plus it makes sense since the parent’s emotions seem much more mature and nuanced themselves.
Sadness just turns into depression
Cool idea
My theory is inside out 3 will introduce love. I also want it, I want to see Riley grow up
Wait this is actually dope. Imagine that the emotions could convert into OTHER emotions based on the situation Riley is in? It wouldnt be likely now, since they already made new emotions for IO2, but the concept alone that fear can accidentally morph into a subemotion of himself like terror just sounds awesome. Like Joy turning INTO Love, or Sadness turning INTO depression.
I agree that incorporating a more complex structure of emotions in "Inside Out" sequels would make it even more relatable for an older audience. The Junto Wheel sounds like an interesting concept to implement. Looking forward to seeing how Pixar might consider these ideas in future installments.
It might also be good for teaching younger audiences about emotions
Since "Disgust" is suggested to be demoted as mere part of "Anger" 14:36 but was already in the canon of the 1st film.. _why not put her head on the shoulder of Anger_ thus having one body..
12:30 I've seen that wheel at my psychologist's office. Which is interesting, considering I also got most of my advice regarding treating my anxiety from that same psychologist that this movie also pulls from. (I love the anxie-tea and the bit where she focuses on channeling that mental energy towards thinking of positive rather than exclusively negative future outcomes)
FINALLY! A theory about Inside Out 2!
I thought surprise would be orange. Anxiety is a function of fear as. We emotional basis for surprise . Then by definition ❓ I the basis is for bad news. Then Surprise becomes 🤯 Anxiety is really surprise
@@osmosisjones4912I can barely understand this sentence but I agree
I hope we get Riley dad theory soon
@@MrMayhem010 I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety.
Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence.
Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends.
Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
Hmm billion dollar hit yep theory
Even without knowing the research, adding new emotions betrays the internal logic of the franchise. I didn't watch Inside Out 2 because I could tell from the trailer that they didn't get the point of the first movie. The five core emotions combine to create new ones (and we are explicitly shown that adults have the same emotions), so new emotions go against the internal logic, regardless of whether it makes more sense in real life; it's bad story telling.
This is all solved by 3 people touching a memory, or how every memory in Inside 2 is combined emotions, showing how she has become more complex. Also as Riley ages her memories will have more combined emotions, so only love needs to be added. Good job though 👍
embarrassment was my favorite. he's so sweet
A gentle giant
caseoh
I freaking love Embarrassment
Same
@@jennifershepherd2921 yessssss!!!
I’m fittingly shocked at the consensus that surprise is an emotion. I think of it like how you describe anxiety, as a more intellectual condition. Your brain has a constant subconscious check of what it thinks is about to happen and when it ends up being wrong it stutters in getting back on track. There’s no passion behind it.
I'm shocked BLUSHING is an emotion 💀
I've worked on using emotions for character development by assigning 2-3 emotions to each of my characters. I ended up with joy, social pressure, anger, sadness, love, & pride. As well as a spectrum of 3 states: interest, calm, & aversion/fear for how driven a character is. Calm being in the middle and causing inaction.
I believe that they way to go with the next movie is to clarify the complexity of Riley's emotions like disgust being a subset of anger
Noticing the absence of love made me think of a plot of a fading emotion, adding to the stress of the already set problems in the movies. Maybe as Riley distances herself from the ones she loves, like her parents when she wants to run away, or her friends when ditching them. Love can start to fade or get hurt every time Riley slips deeper away. Giving more worry and indication of how bad things are getting in headquarters.
I don't think it's completely right that young children can't feel complex emotions. Admittedly they might not be able to express it well, but as a rather anxious person myself I remember feeling anxiety as a little kid too.
Yeah but someone pointed out that if you look closely at the control board pre- demo day that there are orange buttons, so even before the upgrade those emotions existed and were capable of coming out but didn’t in Riley’s case. They were somewhere else until both puberty and Riley’s worries about not having her friends brought them out.
@@hanaomer4419 it could have been that the emotions were always there, but just evolved into their own emotion once they became prevalent enough in riley's life.
I'm not an expert but to bounce of Forrest Lee's statement (11:16), kids biologically start with a few and gradually add more.
Unfortunately, not everyone's stories are the same and some are forced to confront and add new emotions even if inexperienced. You are correct in that it's a difficult process for a child to feel and not express. I'd love a world where kids could discover these feelings in a healthy environment. And because of that, I am grateful there's more conversations and media like Inside Out putting a spotlight on these things.
@@TheVainGame yeah, that would be nice
I have had I think all my emotions since I was born
Since the feelings can manifest as multiple things, such as envy as appreciation and anxiety as vigilance, I just kept saying anxiety.
Edit: Actually the original idea for Inside Out was to have as many as 27 emotions. Inside Out 2 was going to have 9 new emotions, including Shame, Guilt, Jealousy, and Schadenfreude (laughing at someone else's expense). They ultimately got the axe to simplify the story with Jealousy becoming Envy and some parts of Guilt being incorporated into Anxiety
Disgust is an evolutionary trait that helps prevent people from consuming dangerous or diseased food/water
Uhm... Aren't ALL emotions evolutionary traits? After all, that's what makes us (and some other animals) different from very old lifeforms like microbes. Each emotion has an original function when viewed from our ancestrial tribes' perspective: Joy? Communicates that things are going well and others can be calm too. Anger? An injustice has occured and needs to be fixed. Sadness? Something's wrong o something terrible has happened and the members of the tribe need to comfort eachother. Fear? Do I have to say it? it's the original "DANGER!" alarm
0:51 as a wise man once said "there's a difference between a panic attack and being chased by a 15 foot mutated fire-breathing turtle with terrible rizz"
Yes
yeah not every reating is a panic attack, sometimes you need a moment aftet he adreniline high to get your focus back and adreniline can cause tunnel vision. its lest a fear response as a wind down
What do you mean? Bowser got awesome rizz
Bowser has amazing rizz.
@@bonnieplushtuber5517 It takes a lot of rizz to be a king and keep an army loyal.
My favorite part of this theory is that it solves the plot hole created by Inside Out 2 adding new emotions. In Inside Out 1, we see the emotions in Riley's parents' heads, and it's only the original 5. But then Inside Out 2 added new emotions that her parents didn't have. If, however, those new emotions have been organized into other departments and just report to the main emotions at the console, then that plot hole is filled.
Hey, Chikin Nugget has new lore. It’s revealed that Chikin found out he is a Demi-God.
1:35 I was laughing due to seeing the Live action Avatar in the anger memory, then I saw the one to the right ☹️
Swear to god i saw megamind 2
The saddest of the all, Matpat retiring 😭
no one gonna talk about the guy in the tv from mandela catalogue there
@@menteyayyREAL
@@menteyayyI thought that was willian afton💀
As a clinical psychologist, it is so fun watching team theorist delve into my own area of research and clinical work! I was waiting for that exact wheel to pop out the whole video.
In my opinion, in the sequel, they should have made the emotions more fluid. Like, when Joy cried, her yellow would turn blue. When Fear saves the group and feels joy, his purple will turn more yellow. This representing these complex emotions.
In the end, when Anxiety and Joy come together, they create Excitement. When anger felt happiness, in hockey, pride or euphoria was created... In my opinion, I loved the movie, but it would have been a good concept for these more complex emotions to be born from this evolution. Type that anxiety was born from a strong event where Fear and Joy had to play the command together. Shame of Sadness and Disgust. Envy of Disgust and Joy... It would have been an evolution to the multiple color memories of the first film, that little by little these emotions were forming.
5:42 😂❤
We were robbed Pixar! ROBBED!!
I actually have an Inside Out OC; his name is Confusion. He's brown in color and never fully understands what's going on. I feel like confusion is almost never brought up when talking about emotions, and I think that should change.
Peter griffin Poo reference?
Idk I think you have an interesting point but confusion is more of a state of being rather than an emotion. Like being tired or too hot or too cold.
I feel he would be more of an orange than a brown, I know anxiety kind of took that but like he could be a separate shade of orange, more bright as he isn't really a negative emotion
@@eugenekrabs141 yeah I thought orange as well when I first came up with him, but since it was already taken by Anxiety I settled on brown.
Finally, I found my main emotion !
The new theory hosts are doing a great job
I can naturally see a single boss emotion that the core five answer to, that emotion being Willpower, an emotion with the most important purpose of them all, managing all other emotions.
Boredom is actually commonly considered a subset or very weak version of disgust
Inside Out 2 exploded because of us, the teenage audience; we were the one being able to see ourselves (like in the others newest movies) inside the characters.
Disney and Pixar have some eras; before it was more the kid era, now the teenage era and one day the adult era. This studios grew up with us and will follow our growth at the same time as us...
4:35 Lee’s not kidding about this, Inside Out was supposed to have many emotions, including:
Hope
Love
Pride
Greed
Guilt
Shame
Gloom
Depression
Despair
Irritation
Schadenfreude (German for happiness at the misfortune of others. Avenue Q taught me that.)
Also fun fact while I’m here, Envy, Ennui, and Embarrassment were originally planned for the first movie. Envy even looked completely different from how she looks now.
There are some people who think that Gloom secretly wasn't scrapped..
Most of these aren’t emotions and most of them are similar and the same
missed an opertunity with Pride and Predudice
Nishishi hope and despair
-danganronpa fan
They sort of included depression in the 1st movie when she was running away, but not as a character
0:38 Ain't no way he put sausage party in there.
11:16
Also her parents still only have the first emotions and so do her friends. Basically she is the only one who gets different/new emotions🤔
This is why my personal belief about the movie is that Riley actually has plurality of some kind (probably born with it, based on the first movie), and all the shots of in other people's head is her assuming everyone else's head works like that. It makes sense, considering the way that she felt those emotions in the first movie, but they hadn't formed yet, and the fact that emotions have emotions themselves. It would be like how Sander's Sides has plural connotations.
(also, as someone with an anxiety disorder, Anxiety and Fear are very different beasts and it is absolutley it's own emotion that does run the place)
@@rosalindmccollum6012 I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety.
Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence.
Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends.
Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
We do think there are a lot more plurals out there than commonly thought though, but cos they're unaware or otherwise functional they have no need to tell anyone
Or they may even assume everyone else works the same as them. Especially as English has many phrases which can be interpreted in a plural way, like "I'm in two minds about this" and "I'm at war with myself"
In truth everyone is a system of parts, even if not plural at all. Everyone is complex with different sides to them that get expressed in different contexts/situations, "work me" and "weekend me" are very different people even if both still You
Plurality is a spectrum really too
@@DORAisD34D I do like that idea.
Wait,wait,wait,what's plurality? Is it feeling like you're made out of multiple people,each trying to claw their way to the surface because I've been looking for an explanation for that for years
Yeah but thomas sanders always said that sanders sides was never meant to represent plural disorders like DID in anyway
Inside out 2 was the first movie that ever made me start to tear up. I honestly have so much anxiety on a day to day basis that the movie just hit home. Especially when her self image turned to “im not good enough” i just broke down. I love the movie for showing that youre not always supposed to feel joy, you dont have one self image and things are a lot more complex. I think its very good for all children and even a good amount of adults to really reflect on, feel human, and work on being better people.
Chikin nuggit lore is getting crazy! Please do a theory on it
Do y'all remember in 2022 he used to be so full of energy and is like"HELLO GUYS WELCOME TO FIIILLMM THEORYYYY" now he's calmer
How is disgust a subset of anger? I feel angry when something is unfair, I feel disgusted when I'm near eggplants. If anything disgust is more close to fear as both protect you from the outside world
If you go back to the last Chart with 108 emotions, he even states that some of the outer rings are combinations of certain base emotions. Where it comes down to reasoning and feeling as to why we react. Those complex emotions need more than one to properly convey the underlying reasons.
Also, these are generalized and in turn are set for a broader scope of people that do fall into these categories. There will be outliers and or exceptions to the rule. Not everyone, but the majority. So if you personally react, feel and or look at life differently, that's simply you being an individual, and your mind/emotions acting accordingly.
Maybe the thought was that something that disgusts you should make you angry? Which doesn’t make sense, something that disgust you can also make you fearful, or just dislike things. Maybe the emotions wheel shouldn’t be a wheel with primary emotions.
Maybe anger is actually a subset of disgust, as in you're disgusted by injustice (lack of fairness) to the point of being inflamed about it
@@MapleTaurus No. Anger is certainly a base emotion. Disgust takes reasoning for us to understand why we're disgusted. Anger is primal and can happen just because without reason.
I feel like theres 2 different types of disgust, you can find a horrible person repulsive and thats because youre angry about what theyve done, and separately get grossed out by things like foods and smells that your body/memory tells you to avoid for your wellbeing, which is fear based. It probably would have been better on that wheel to have Disgust between anger and fear, but the latter type is kind of more of a physiological reaction than an emotion, so i sort of get why its structured this way instead, theyre just focused on disgust as the feeling of "i hate that this exists". Pixar has conflated both types to make the character of Disgust the one who keeps Riley away from everything she doesnt like, and that very much feels like the reason for her existence comes down to fear and anger existing first, thats where the emotions that make Riley not like something in the way that could lead to disgust come from.
When i ry think about it though...thats kind of complex for a little kid to understand, and even at the age she is in the first movie she probably wouldnt have thought to consider where her disgust comes from, its still just as simple as "the emotion pops up around these things so i avoid them without thinking twice". By the second movie though...its kind of stretching it to say that Disgust is still a core emotion leading how Riley feels as opposed to being better understood as a reaction to whats been laid out already by fear and anger. But Pixar has kind of made its bed and now has to lie in it, Riley is kind of going to be stuck not learning much about her own thoughts and emotions as she grows up to keep the cast of characters the same, its not like theyll actually start the third one with "oh yeah we just dont really talk to Disgust much any more, oh well"
15:45 Pixar was originally planning to have a similar idea implemented in Inside Out. A room filled with different emotions was scrapped in the early stages of production even though they considered it pretty accurate to the science at the time.
Imagine if the movie really did have 108 emotions
This is a GREAT IDEA, Lee!! Your visual about an office space makes me think Riley would go to college. As a storyteller, I think this would be the best way to continue with Riley’s story. Turning 18, going to college, meeting new people, falling in love, falling out of love, being excited for the future, being scared for the future. I think you are on the right track and if Pixar doesn’t go with your idea, I will. I’ll just write the third movie myself haha
Even tho im a literal 13 yo, i relate to anxiety the most. The constant fear from dumb stuff like presentations in front of class, my heart racing 1 to 2 hours before them, and just unbarable amounts of stress made me fall into a state of depression. Thankfully Its not severe, i just cant dont feel much joy anymore, and when i do, Its short-lived.
I’m predicting that the emotion that should be there is theorizing and that the one that shouldn’t be there is joy
Yeah, Riley couldn’t always be happy and never used sadness
I have never felt joy 😃
yeah because you can’t feel joy if you theorize!
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@@mingshi7689 y-yeah that's the point of the movie dude.
i believe that surprise is actually the nuetral emotion. before any emotion takes control, there is always surprise and then rileys emotions figure out what to feel
So, funny thing is that Parts Work, Internal Family Systems Therapy, Fraser's Table, and other tools DO interact with a group of people in your head running things.
This might be my new favorite episode...
9:34 Even if it is unscientific, I still like the fact that they added anxiety.
I dont understand why people are saying that that scene in the Mario movie is a panic attack, hes just trying to recover from BEING THROWN THROUGH A BUILDING
"Trust me, I've edited Food Theory before."😆I love the friendly ribbing you all have with each other😊, reminds me of the playful friendly banter I see over at Second Wind💖😄
7:07 I wasn't prepared for the bitter sweetness on Matpat's face.
Disgust dealing with her demotion would be an interesting side story, but I don't think Pixar will go for it since it made her so likable in both movies
Joy: Joyful happiness
Sadness: Depressing feeling
Anger:frustrating anger
Fear:terribly scaring
Disgust:grossly weird
Anxiety: anxious claustrophobia
Literally everyone with some form of anxiety disorder at 9:38 OH TRUST ME IT'S AN EMOTION
2:02 says you, I had nostalgia when I was 16!
Same
Says all three of you, I had nostalgia when I was eight and revisiting my toddlerhood friends!
1:30 watching madame web should be green ;)
Y'know thinking about this maybe this is why we don't even SEE much of the backdrop in the parents heads versus the kids. Like the kids are open, straight forward, noncomplex. But the parents are VERY limited to just the direct console, maybe hiding the office or other organization behind it. It might even make sense with how we see the dads head in the movies
From an animation standpoint, I believe the best way to do it is to have “little blobby children” almost. The children would be shaded like the chart and would basically be tiny simplistic clones of the main emotions.
But that’s just a theory, a film theory!
Don't forget "Aaand cut"
@@ComradeDylan-pp9nc I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety.
Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence.
Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends.
Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
I love how matpat was in a blue ball referencing his announcement of quitting (IS THAT A MATPAT REFERENCE??))
Lee, Aristotle's philosophy was more based around the idea that pain rather than pleasure drives moral progress. And if you look at the context in which he said what you are referring to "all those feelings that so change men as to affect their judgments, and that are also attended by pain and pleasure". But the full quote is actually “The emotions [pathē],” he writes, “are those things through which, by undergoing change, people come to differ in their judgements and which are accompanied by pain and pleasure, for example, anger, pity, fear, and other such things and their opposites” (1991 p. 121). This shows that Aristotle really wrote that all feelings more had a pleasuring or painful part to them, but did not come from them. He said the pathē, which translates in Greek to "suffering, or experience". So that in pain, we seek pleasure. You not could make emotions from only pleasure or pain, or a mix, but more so you could recognize an emotion as being pleasurable or painful. Epicurus said the end of all our actions is aiming for pleasure and avoiding pain.
I say it should be anger because there's a entirely seperate science for him called *anger management* for him.
Why is it so funny when anger says: *RAHHHHHH-* oh airplane everybody! 1:12
I imagine Surpise being in God having an existential crisis like:
Surprise: If you already know everything, than how will you ever be surprised?
or somethin idk
I hate how everyone is saying that the movie is implying that “you can’t feel complex emotions until you’re older.” Clearly these people did NOT pay attention. The emotions are added as their own emotions because they become more frequent following puberty.
I would agree that Ennui is an emotion. Here is my logic, I’ve been Numb and I’ve been Bored. When I’m bored I’d label it as a form of frustration tied to a lack of stimulation, whereas Numb is the complete absence of emotion. Ennui is still an emotion, just one that specializes in simulating the lack of emotion without shutting down.
I feel similar, like boredom is a lack of stimulation vs. numb being a lack of response to stimuli. Boredom, you're trying to find the right stimulation for the moment, but nothing fits and it's irritating. Feeling Numb, you can _sometimes_ interact with stimuli, but typically can't. Either way, you don't really respond to anything; like you said, you just shut down.
Finally found the original! Wasn't giving my like to the bot that reposted -_-
0:16 Me still waiting for HELLO INTERNET WELCOME TO FILM THEORY
I haven’t seen the Madam Web movie, but I imagine the memory ball would be a mix of blue(sadness), red(anger), and green(disgust). Maybe a little purple(fear) of what comes after this film
I could see the characters that are emotions themselves being able to shift into these sub-colors and emotions as Riley ages. it's also interesting that not everyone emotionally matures the same rate or way. in cases of trauma, anxiety is gonna show up WAY before it did for Riley.
Omg I haven’t watched film theory in like forever
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Same 😭
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@@SoggyCrackerz I wish Embarrassment, Envy, and Ennui were fleshed out more and shown how harmful they could be if they go overboard, like Anxiety.
Anxiety could be anxious of embarrassing Riley by messing up during practice, thus suppressing Embarrassment which in turn would make Riley lose motivation since she’d take no risks in fear of embarrassing herself- Or she could have an embarrassing situation that hinders her confidence.
Riley could have felt envious that her friends were going to the same school without her and envious of how good Val is (rather than only admiring her), thus making her want to be better at hockey and make new friends.
Ennui could be Riley giving up- she no longer has interest in hockey after all the stress she is going through
@@SoggyCrackerz ok
Inside Out 2 was my kid's first movie and constantly, ever since we left the theater, she's been asking "Mama, can we go back and watch Inside Out 3?" 💀😭