Does Barcelona's collapse vs. Liverpool mean Lionel Messi isn't the GOAT? | ESPN FC
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- Alejandro Moreno, Dan Thomas, Steve Nicol and Craig Burley of ESPN FC offer post-match analysis for Liverpool vs. Barcelona in the UEFA Champions League semifinals, which LFC won 4-0 to overturn a 3-0 first-leg loss thanks to goals from Divock Origi and Georginio Wijnaldum. The topic at hand, though, is whether the loss means Lionel Messi is not the GOAT, or if someone else (Ernesto Valverde?) deserves the blame.
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PSG: Blew a 2-0 lead
Barcelona: Hold my beer
Chann Heng PSG blew a 5-1 lead lol.
Good boy 😇
Stephen Ahern psg will never win the champions league
Francisco Leon that’s not the point
Lmao true
Barca blew a 3-0 lead
ShowTime Jon, I’m so sorry about Rhaegar❤️
Correction blew a 3-0 lead in back to back years
Back to back
again
twice in ROOOW
It's amazing how they are defending messi ..........but they criticized RONALDO when he scored both away and home goals against Ajax....🤣🤣🤣
vikas patel when did they criticize Ronaldo for that? They literally never did. You Ronaldo fans are literally inventing this reality in your head so that you can criticize Messi 😂😂😂
Shut up street-shitting Indian. Stick to cricket
@@Mo-ld1it They did actually.
vikas patel Ajax are only a 2nd division team in terms of the English league. Messi has to work hard in the 1st leg to get past Liverpool. Different kettle of fish playing against a top class side like Liverpool.
The Fuhrer May Tell that to Tottenham
why are they so angry that barcelona didnt pass wtf , are they british ?
Obviously
ESPN fc loves sucking up to Communistlona and Messi
Really?? Like madrid are literal nazis
Like he said Messi put the opportunity to put them 5 up but it’s the team that messed it up
There not mad they are defending Messi. Steve was happy they went through but shocked Messi’s team let him down.
The goat wouldn’t be choking TWICE 🤷🏻♂️
Royal xx not just twice
Against juve 2017
Against atletico 2014/16
Against bayern 7-0 2012
Against chelsea 2012
he didn't choke though. he played well. Barcelona choked. He put in on a plate for dembele at the end of the first leg, he could have got three assists in the second leg if Suarez, Alba and Coutinho could finish their chances. Over the two legs he created more chances and played more key passes than anyone else in both teams.
@@ozifest123
Nope he did choke, he know his playmaking get destroyed every year. He need to focus on goals more rather than creating chances.
Love u Messi...
Valverde's not the goat.
My problem is they don't keep the same energy for ronaldo situations
Thank you
@Real Madrid didn't real Madrid step up when Ronaldo disappeared in the semis and final. Messi disappears for one match and Barca disappear. That's the difference. Ronaldo was covered by his team mates against bayern and liverpool last year
@Real Madrid That's cause Ronaldo isn't someone who carries a team. Ronaldos a poacher, and one of the best in the world. But hes reliant on his team for him to score goals since he cant create on his own like Messi. So they group them together because Ronaldo is only as good as the team supplying him crosses.
Josh K i mean he’s 34 now back then he could easily pass by 4 players in his prime with his speed.
Exactly!!!!
He has been great this season! most goals most motm he has been great! He deserves more this season, and i am a liverpool fan
I saw no fighting spirit..who agrees 🙂
Sam Sarfo I saw arrogance. Then I saw fear. Then panic.
Angel George They are saying the truth though.
bolder2009 Spot on. Saddens me that we didn’t learn from our mistake against Roma.
@@angelgeorge6186 🤣🤣🤣 Sometimes GOAT Messi turns into a sheep---🐑
@@angelgeorge6186 That's the truth but remember Modric last year, he was above who?But it's the past, lets hope UEFA will find their senses again.
these guys are just rubbish if it was cristiano they would absolutely rip him apart but because its messi they give him credit and blames the team who were just outplayed by liverpool
And I'm sure they were hyping him up cause he's the BeSt FoOtBaLl PlAyER
@@glenroyelias3775 messi is a G.O.A.T as well as ronaldo but when comes down to times like this he fades away while ronaldo shows up and does what he does best
So true and Ronaldo did the same! Two vs ajax and created
@@ghussle9194 so where is Ronaldo too😭. People logic
They gave Ronaldo a pass when he lost Ajax I thought
Lol a week ago we were saying he’s the best and now we’re not supposed to
He lost bro 😂
He chokes lol
His Pepsi commercials make sense now, bottler on and off the pitch 😂😂😂
Jayzee31519 duuuuuuuuuuude. You just blew my mind lol
Welcome to the world of humans
The man needed a GPS to find where he is, he really lost.
When Barca wins : Messi is GOAT
when barca lose: Sack Valverde, Sell Coutinho, Let talk about other 10.
That is the issue man, LMAO
That's correct. Barca will lose almost every game without Messi. He singlehandedly helped beat Liverpool at Camp Nou. Now it'll be great if fucking Suarez or Coutinho score once? Suarez has scored 2 goals in 2 years in UCL !! Two fucking years!! No one other than Messi in Barca is world class anymore.
That was the same thing Ronaldo fanboys do everytime he wins or loses games
That's what actually is with messi barca reached semi without Messi they won't even qualify , look now they aren't even winning against shit teams in la laiga without messi. 'Let's talk about other 10' words by football experts and not fan boys like M Daniyal Umer
I think you tried to make a point against Messi, but you actually just explained the reality of Barca for the last 2 years lol. Barca are generally poor under Valverde but Messi scores and creates so many chances that Barca end up scoring enough to win most games. It's pretty simple. I'm not even a Barca fan, it's just obvious.
They said Ronaldo wouldn't be goat even if he wins UCL with Juventus.
@@angelgeorge6186 you sure about that I assure you he will be in the top 3
AS C I don’t give a shit about what these dumbass pundits say. They always get everything wrong. Just look at their predictions. Cristiano Ronaldo is the 🐐. Played in different teams and leagues. Only player to win everything there is to win in 2 different teams. Changed his game style as he aged. A complete player. His records are too long to list. Fastest La Liga player to reach 150, 200, 300 goals in La Liga despite Messi being there his whole life. Legend of Man U, legend of Real Madrid, legend of Portugal. Alpha mentality. Not a quitter, leader, doesn’t quit or do fake retirements.
@@nadiab7764 exactly look at messi going down and never played with different clubs
This is the 4th year in a row Messi chokes and they're doing the same exact thing. Hype him up when Barca wins then deflect the blame when they lose
Messi fan boys smh. Messi is weak that why in pressure moments he vanishes, Ronaldo lives for big moments
Henry V yea that’s why Ronaldo got kicked out in the quarters ? Ronaldo is done for
@@josefranco9391 5, 3 in a row. Messi disappearing like the magician he is like always again, same as last season in Rome, in Turin, and against Atleti, big moments ain't for the lil guy lol
@@MaestroHenry always blaming when he dislike the pressure
Even in the first leg, way too much praise. First goal was lucky. 2nd goal was great but a free kick that went in while up 2-0.
I've seen Ronaldo single handedly carry his team.
Last euro cup was a good example.
Why are we talking about Messi?!?!? This day belongs to Liverpool FC! That’s ALL anyone should be talking about!
Because messi is bigger than there entire team
@@ssj-rose4572 He wasn't today, tho
Rusty Shackleford Liverpool I always hated them I love man city or Ajax or Barcelona but livergay no
One guy or an entire team?
@@3un4j0 how childish of you
they're biased towards Messi. If Ronaldo didn't score and lost, they blame Ronaldo and why he doesn't do something as he's known as the big game player. But when it's Messi, they say the teammates should've stepped up because he stepped up in the first leg.
They never talk about what Ronaldo DID, they always talk about what he DIDN'T do.
Best comment today!
Because espn pundits know cristiano ronaldo is not the GOAT. Why they depend messi because messi is the GOAT as simple as that.
messi scores 1 free kick and 1 goal on a rebound and all the game was won by messi, last night he did nothing and now its all because of other players and valverde. stop this guys
YES!
why single out only messi though? Its clearly not him who individually lost the game is it? The attack and, more importantly, defence failed. that is 8 players who are at fault at least and people are only picking on messi... why?
@@MrCheesyBaconBits i m not picking messi. I m saying why isnt he together with other players to be blamed? Why when barca lose, pundits blame other players not messi. And why when barca win other players dont get the praise much?
Were you on weed or something else?
Messi did nothing!!! Watch game 10 more times you moron. Messi was the only payer who created 3 goal scoring opportunities.
@extremedude1234
You shit head, weren't you guys telling that goal is matter , no matter how it comes. Hypocrites are everywhere.
Now you are saying those goals were deflected ?
He is certainly among the 5 greatest players ever but consistently choking under pressure doesnt make you the GOAT.
Angel George you can’t ignore him failing over and over again in big moments like this and still call him the GOAT. Cristiano shows up every time he has to step up, Messi does not.
@@angelgeorge6186 Sorry he is not he has done anything with another team except Barcelona. You are simply disrespecting all the former players who have won a lot more with club and country. And frankly he is not even best Argentinian to ever play. Diego Armando Maradona is the greatest living footballer in the world. That is a simple fact. The guy won the World Cup alone and here guys are moaning about Suarez and Higuain not able to finish excuses pff .
Saint Aubyn messi has scored twice the goals of ronaldo and salah
this season?
Totally agree
Angel George why is he still the GOAT ? because he chokes against Roma , Juventus , Chile , and now Liverpool ??
Cr7 shows up in the biggest moments Messi doesn’t.
Yeah that's why cr7 is out too
Leo Messi is my favorite player, I agree with you thou.
Hahahaha.
You mean when he missed a penalty which could have lost Man United the Champions League Final? When he was part of a team that was turned over twice by Barca in the final? Where was he in the Atletico finals? Where was he in the final last year?
Just absolute cack coming out of your mouth son.
It’s true. Even though messi is more talented and better, in a big game I’d take ronaldo
@@stephenahern9562 You said "You mean when he missed a penalty which could have lost Man United the Champions League Final?"
He is the one that scored the header to get them to penalties. As for the other finals and last year he was their best player, by scoring and assisting the most goals for his team in the ucl. If not for him they would never have been there.
As for Messi, he scored a great free kick in the 1st leg, but it was Suarez who really won that game for them. Without Suarez they didn't have to win that game.
Messi has a good game : He is the GOAT. Don’t compare him with anyone else
Messi has a poor game : Both are great players. Let’s enjoy them both.
Ash Geo He didn’t have a poor game though
As a Liverpool fan, he always a GOAT. Its just that we play better as a team together with the amazing fans and atmosphere.
Imagine the heat CR7 would have received for this...
But it is Messi so it is the fault of other 10 players
doesnt seem like u watched the game then. Messi didnt concede 4 goals. Messi didnt miss 2 point blank shots, he was the one who set up suarez and alba and they just punted it. This has nothing to do with messi. Its valverde and his dumb tactics
@@crown20aaryan28 I think the point being made is about the hypocrisy from the panel, no one truly thinks its messi's fault.
Crown20 Aaryan
This very same panel would crucify Ronaldo if he would have lost this match
Since it’s Messi they blame everyone else but him.
Shit is getting old.
@@crown20aaryan28 but last week didn't say that Messi wonatch scoring from freekick and bla bla. When they loose it's valverde. No matter how you defend Messi he is not GOat, scoring 40-50 goals is of course good, but if they don't help u to get ucl than nobody will talk about it. It's about result in final games. Where Cristiano steps up pretty much most of the time.
I mean the Barcelona defense were atrocious *cough* Pique. Messi was one of the few making chances and setting up attacks.
2:13
Whichever way you slice it Messi doesn't show during matches like these
that's so true
he scored twice in the first leg. you cant seriously blame messi for barcelona's defense forgetting how to play football.
@@thegrind8165
In 1st leg their defense was fine though.
One word... pathetic
You guys are quick to criticise Ronaldo for the same thing but always protect messi in the same situation
facts man
Because ronaldo does not create chances like messi. On multiple occassions, Messi was the sole build-up and key player of Barcelona's attacks. You cannot criticize Messi because his teammates can not shoot properly. That would be utterly ridiculous and nonsensical. Without Messi, Barcelona would not have even made it to the semi final. And, yes, you can argue that "Look at real madrid now. Without Ronaldo they aren't winning." And yes that is true. But so far, without Real Madrid, Ronaldo is not winning either. So IF you're going to claim that Real Madrid need Ronaldo, I can claim that Ronaldo needs Real Madrid. (And don't even try to say that Ronaldo helped Juve win the league.)
IDK so true
Obadiah Stane opinions not facts dipshit
@@v4fatal You should look at Juventus games, Ronaldo created chances that his teammates wasted.
You're saying it like he was and now he isn't. He was never G.O.A.T. He's a good player no doubt though.
So disrespectful to Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, both Ronaldos, Zidane, etc. Messi must pay them well.
It's always keyboard warriors that say he isnt the goat it's sad. Every single unbiased player that didnt play with either said Messi is undoubtedly the goat. Even managers said that. It's not a debate, it's general knowledge
@@broadcast3ful yeah, sir alex -"messi GOAT" Jose Mou: messi "God of football" Klopp: Messi "best player on planet"
Why everyone is judging by one match. If you take only this season, he has scored two against tottenham, two against man united, two against liverpool, two against lyon. what more you need.
@@tigerfordinner yes i agree...we always see overall performance, just this time luck doest side with him
When Barca wins, it’s because of Messi. When Barca loses, it’s not his fault? Double standard much?
And when Ronaldo loses despite scoring two vs ajax he gets the blame
No it is because when Barca lose he's still the MOTM. Happens at Rome and not sure but I'm pretty damn sure same thing happened today.
@@iamalwayshappy8485 that didnt happen today messi wasnt really in the game
He’s a good player, but he’s no leader. Seeing this down trodden man wearing the captain’s band must have surely not helped Barca’s cause today
@@tevincoley7970 Most chances created and shots taken? Watchu smokin?
So he gets all the praise and never gets the blame. I envy this 🐐
Bro you cannot use that philosophy, open your ignorance this statement is just to raise temper. Messi gave them 3 opportunities
Messi and vidal were the only two who actually did decent this game. The blame is the whole barca team though and coach. This is a team sport after all.
Messi can help change the outcome by a lot but only if the rest the team does it's job. If they don't do their job then he can't do his. To much reliance on him is their downfall. They have alot of decent players and not so decent ones and even horrible ones this game. Every single liverpool player was 🔥. If you understood football you'd know he can't be the one to blame.
@@GlobalWave1 all this time & Barca still hasn't put together the right supporting cast for messi?
@@sphere5282 Put it this way if you took Messi out of this team there's a good chance they wouldn't have won La Liga nor would they made it this far in the CL. I can guarantee that. All it takes is a little reason and logic to see that. Barca is a pretty average team without him. Barca need to make a team that does good with or without him.
I'm a Barca - Messi fan and let me just say it here.
Messi was also responsible for last night's loss. Yes, he created chances, he carried Barcelona since the group stage etc but you can't argue against the fact that he too WAS responsible for last night's loss especially when he's wearing the armband now.
It must be great being Messi. You can fail to do it with your national team, people will still say you can do anything. When your club wins, you are great, when they lose, the team not him, is bad. Ronaldo scores in home and away, he was at fault. Messi fails to score one, it is not his fault. And they blame Ronaldo when he acts the way he acts.
Well most of the time when his club wins, he was always the main man, i have watched every Barcelona game for the last 10 years, also when his team lose, it is mostly because they as a whole played bad, last night game made it clear, they couldn't move past their own half, about the national team thing, the only thing i found Messi's fault was he failed to score the penalty in the final, other than that he was okay.
He led Argentina to 3 consecutive finals and it wasn't his fault that Higuain couldn't score 100% in each. His club and national team depends on him so badly that they win when he plays normally and lose when he has a bad game. They literally can't do anything without him
Emrys Myrdin sure Higuain was bad, but Messi didn’t play much better in any of those finals, he even missed a penalty kick. Im a fan of his game but the truth is you can’t take away blame from him. The whole squad underperformed in those finals
@@adamhargitai5949 He was playing poorly in 2 first finals, but he was absolutely amazing in the second match against Chile (the one where he missed penalty in the shootout). Still saying that he plays badly in the national team is just disrespectful. In a lot of games there he plays even better than in Barcelona, but his teammates only stay and doesn't help at all. He is very often triple teamed and usually there is simply no way to get through that.
Remind me how many LaLigas CR has again? Oh, oh right.
Saying if Dembele scored 4-0 we wouldn´t have this conversation? Liverpool did score 4, and most likely would´ve scored even more if needed. Never mind how good Messi is, did he have ANY help from his teammates at Anfield? Suarez was sitting on his arse spreading his hands, I didn´t even realize Coutinho was in the game until he was substituted!
Right, because doing something yourself, like scoring a goal isn't allowed.
These ESPN fools were handing him the ballon d’or a week ago 😂😂😂 mediocre pundits 🤷♂️
He's still going to win it this year. Who else is even close?
@@trapaneezus ikr unless van dik wins
@@trapaneezus Hes still gonna win it. Nobody is close. even ronaldo is losing the italian golden boot to a 36 year old. Still the best around created multiple 1 on 1s that teamates didn't finish off
If Liverpool win the UCL Van Dijk will win it
@@unknowdokit279 no doubt......in that .....he is currently the best defender
Lool look at how they are defending him 🤣🤣
That was why they never achieve greatness in the pitch due to jealousy and unfairness. ESPN should be banned from CZcams because they are misleading humanity in football. Lol
Orapeleng Moses Yeah, especially spud face, Stevie Nicks lol
HELP MESSI PLS
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They r just speaking the truth u damn orapeleng idiot
They say Messi is better than Pele and Maradona But :1 Champions League title in 8 years.
Cr7 Real Madrid: 4 Champions Leadue in 5 years 🤔 + 1
Barcelona has 5 UCL (Cristiano has 5) 🐐🤷🏽♂️
Yeah where was all this when juve went out. They had a much more inferior team to this barca and then:
1) Cr scored 5 goals in 4 KO mathes.
2) scored all their KO stage goals
3) Scored in both legs vs ajax.
Then why was he slated for juve loss. That's the way it goes team wins star player gets the credit but when team loses they get the blame
@KingOne for all i can say messi is still the front runner for ballon d'or even if he doesn't win copa america.
But say what u will madrid miss CR 7. If it was just about tapping in why can no one do it at madrid.(Benzema ghosted when it mattered)
Say what u will i will just say this star player always get the blame. And bottling a 3 goal lead makes it worse
@KingOne ok zidane came and hazard,jovic,militao will also come. Let me tell u this zidane went away because he knew club were selling CR to make bale the main man. If u think bale will be tapping in next season let me tell u bale is most likely leaving next season
@KingOne i am actually done with u. You don't even watch madrid probably. Bale is so injury prone that he misses half a season due to injury. If u really think zidane or anyone can save them then you are wrong. Only new signings can save them
Now jog off on your way out of my mentions
Its not like that cr7 puts up a fight if his team is down he will give everything to score but messi rise in the 80-85 minute when his team losing and its almost over till that time
@@pranavdoshi8738 should be Van Dijk
According to this discussion,
Barcelona wins:its ALL messi
Barcelona loses:its everyone BUT Messi
Yea sounds about right
I think it tends to be when Messi finally cant carry Barcelona then Barcelona just crumble and die, take a look at Ronaldo, when he failed players in Real Madrid and Portugal stood up for their main man who was having an off day and pulled him through it, when Messi fails Barcelona look at him like... why? what do we do?
Paul Samuel Then you actually watch the matches. Where was the support tho? But yet jack asses like you have no answer there.
Messi single handedly took Barca to the champions league semi final.
Scored against Tottenham
Scored against Lyon
Scored against Man Utd
Scored against Liverpool
Scored against PSV
Barca won La liga because of him. Its a one man team.
Why can't other players step up for a change?
JagsFan '95 Leave him, he’s your average Cristiano fanboy who just watches the highlights/scorecard and then judges a player. They argue for the sake of arguing.
Because he is the only player who has rescued Barca everytime they were losing, he won them the league single handedly.
So when Barca wins, it’s Messi’s doing. When Barca loses, it’s Valverde now 😂😂
Nonsense
Yes
But if cr7 win or loose its all bout him. This is like a kobe n LBJ comparison
Cmon which manager you know brings a defender on when losing. Hes tactically inept
Biased media makes me sick
YOU CAN’T MAKE EXCUSES FOR MESSI. STOP IT. SO WHAT ABOUT WHEN CRISTIANO SCORED A HATTRICK BEING DOWN 2-0 ON AGGREGATE??? WHEN CRISTIANO DOES GREAT THINGS IT GETS IGNORED. WHEN MESSI FAILS ITS NOTHING BUT EXCUSES. IM SICK OF IT.
Ronaldo gets set up by his team, Ronaldo needs his team to get the ball to him. Messi gives the ball to his teammates and needs them to score! Example the De,bele chance to make it 4-0 at Camp Nou.
those are two games. there are plenty of times when messi scores clutch goals and ronaldo loses games he should have won.
Saint aubyn, y dont u penaldo fans ever learn? Ur all just dumasses
Saint Aubyn facts
Stupid think
This guys just make dumber and dumber comments, wow...They praise Messi for one game and call him the goat for the same thing Ronaldo has been doing for so long I can't even remember well... OK
Aldair Mechisso the thing about Ronaldo is that he shows up on big games, but he isn’t consistent through an entire season has lots of down and not too many ups, but his good moments are always crucial to his team
Remind me how many LaLigas CR has again? Oh, oh right.
LordMichaelRahl At least one or two
People have been making arguments for messi being the GOAT for years... This isn't a messi vs Ronaldo debate so don't turn it one. Players are judged ny their body of work, not just one particular game lol.
I’m sorry, but what can Cristiano Ronaldo do that Messi can’t? Is Cristiano Ronaldo able to dribble past 5 or more players in a sequence? Nope. There is no comparison, as great of an individual player Cristiano is, Messi is miles ahead.
Juventus loses 4-0 = Ronaldo cant rise to the moment he'll never be team player and only can win at Madrid..
Barcelona loses 4-0 = not enough support for Messi to much pressure its everyone else fault..
Juventus lost 4-0???
Barcelona lost 4-3. Messi scored 2 goals, jesus christ ronaldo fans are actually braindead
Killuminati95 first of all, commentators, professional football players, people who love that game, will 90% say that Messi is the better player. Only ex teammates of ronaldo will say he is better. Ronaldo does not create chances like Messi does, all he does is wait in the box for him to head the ball. Yes ronaldo is one of the greatest players, but Messi is out of this world and people who know the game will say the same thing.
@@dightonazpeitia4350 Buddy go cry about it somwhere else unless u got some facts to reply with cuz u sound offended like a lil bitch that u are. Messi hasn't scored an away goal after round of 16 since 2013 and hes supposedly the goat lol.
@@aidanlok7323 First of all this 90% of people you claim that would agree with you is just your opinion unless u start dropping names of all these people. And dude u act like Messi is unleashing rockets from 55 yards out every game 95% of Messis goals are inside the box where Ronaldo supposedly stands. As far as I know finishing off a play is more valuable than just dribbling around. Plus don't be mad your boy cant head the ball in for a goal because that's a critical part of the sport.
Roma, Chile final, Germany final, Liverpool. Messi is not BIG GAME player. He has 6 world cup goals and scored against Nigeria, Bosnia, Iran (small teams)
.
He was playing in a role of playmaker, more than a striker. It's hard to create and score at the same time you see.
But he has WC Golden ball something Ronaldo will never get it
Facts
@@blazekabera1865 that was a fuckin joke.
And remember mbappe raped his team while he hid
when juventus lost, people said signing Ronaldo was a waste
chamundeshwari prakash They were correct.
Sounds about right ...buys a 34 year old and ruining the career of a 24 year old
I rarely see anyone say that, all the comments I see blast everyone except ronaldo when in reality everyone was to blame. Madrid "fans" who are now Juventus "fans" want the entire team rebuilt and the manager sacked just because Juventus didn't win the UCL title which was unlikely to happen anyway.
He put out the team spirit. Juve had been doing and would have done better without him. When he arrived, it wasn't about Juve nor any of its stars anymore, it was all about Penaldo and everyone else at the front stopped performing.
SIMPLE ANSWER .JUVE WON MORE TROPHIES LAST YEAR
Messi always chokes under pressure and it is "the reality".
Did he choke in 2011??
@@allenpayne2699 stop staying in the past
@@thegamer3791 what happened at Anfield is also in the past. Besides he did well. Not scoring doesn't mean he choked
When Messi fails to turn up with Argentina, the media blamed Higuain (probably why he chose to retire) and when it’s with Barca, they blame Valverde and the other 10 players. This dude gets so much protection from the media it unbelievable. Ronaldo would have gotten his ass chewed if Juventus lost like this
Are u stupid
Ronaldo scores at least one away goal against ajax Messi in anfield 0
Ronaldo should play in MLS he might score 20 goals. Keyword, *might*
@@goat9295 Messi should play in MLS he might score 20 goals. Keyword, might. What kinna stupid assertions are you making lol. Zlatan is bossing the mls, ronaldo and messi would walk all over the league.
Johan cruyff arena and anfield are 2 different stadiums
@@angelgeorge6186 fuck outta here loser Ronaldo won 3 straight while Messi gets eliminated 3 straight 🤣🤣🤣
Angel George Messi can’t do shit outside of his stadium in Spain not in Argentina and definitely not in Anfield
Barca could win 10-0 in the first leg but would lose 11-0 in the second leg 💀
Agreed
Lol your comment make my day😂😂
Look. I truly found soccer when I found Messi he has a fluidity with the ball that is unreal. He is Soccer, he was born to bless us with the childlike vibes we feel watching him run around 🐐
Lol these people would have torn apart Ronaldo if it was him they would have demanded his retirement...... just how more biased can this panel be
Please shut up do u know anything
I hate to say it but I genuinely believe Ronaldo would have put that game away. I don’t believe Messi has the same mindset to comeback from adversity like Ronaldo does.
Why didn't he put the game away against Ajax at home?
How is he supposed to do that when Barca can’t get out of their half
Raps United nah im talking about closing a game out in the second leg. Ronaldo did his part in both legs but his team let him down, you cannot deny this. In this game Messi had an open shot in the box but did not take it.
Emilio Garibay so Messi scored 2 goals in the first leg, his team concedes 4, and you don’t consider that letting him down? Liverpool are way stronger than Ajax. Not to mention Ronaldo lost at home to Ajax. Messi created 3 breakaways for coutinho, Suarez and alba and they all missed. He tried to bring it back to his left foot on that chance and it was great defending to poke the ball away. Man, it’s just clear that you have an agenda because Messi was clearly the best player through 2 legs from both teams. He’s not god
Emilio Garibay the internet is filled with people waiting for Messi and Ronaldo to not deliver so they can pounce and say the other is better. It’s fucking pointless dude. No one will remember this shit when they both retire. Think about how much football they’ve played, does anyone even remember the details of the 2008-2014 seasons? Not really. Just enjoy both, trust me, it’s way better this way
ESPN is rubbish if it's Ronaldo dey will rubbish him.see wat dey said wen he lost
Cr7 versus Bayern Last year?? Come on man. Vs Juventus second leg he scored a penalty man. When he didnt score his guys showed up not for Messi last 3 years. Messi has 12 goals
@@bolancinemagassouba7864 my point is that dey hate on Ronaldo too much left to me dey are on d same level
Onoselulu Obehi you’re sooo right, they hate CR7 and wants everyone to hate him sooo much
Messi is like wifi............that Connect only at camp nou🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
greatest comment ever
Yes True
Nah he’s the best by far. Ronaldo is overetaed
Bro, 4 years in a row😂
Ronaldo didn't win ucl in a row from 2008 to 2014. Do the math. 6 solid years. Yet you mock Messi? Pathetic.
@@albertosei8788 Ronaldo won 3 in a row and 4 within 5 years.
@@furdieallianz2079 Yes and what happened before then?? How long did it took for him to achieve that feat?? 6 disappointing years in a row without ucl title!!. That's my point. Who made noise of his failures during those years of ucl trophy drought?? Besides we both know the pedigree of real Madrid as a club in ucl. This isn't the first time Madrid has accomplished this feat they won it 5 times and 5 is bigger than 3. So is no news. And as far as am concerned this disappointments doesn't surprise true Barcelona fans who understand football; any one with eyes knows this for a fact that Barcelona failures isn't Messi's fault especially under this current technical management and this current board.
@@albertosei8788 Barcelona and knowledge about football are antonyms. Barcelona is the disgrace of world football. Chelsea 2009, PSG 2017. Will never forget.
@@furdieallianz2079 Ohh...i see so are you telling me that corruption was founded/invented by Barcelona because of those supposed "incidence"??😆 Hasn't controversial descisions always occured prior to these events you mentioned?; why pick on only the ones in Barcelona games??
Weak excuse...If you can't forget others will.. and you know why??:
Because it happens all the time AND EVERYWHERE and no club comes clean not just in ucl but in various leagues. Whoever thinks otherwise is a just being bias.
Get this into your head: referees are human beings not robots.
Even with the introduction of VAR we still see alarmingly awful decisions made by referees which has benefited many European clubs who are beneficiaries of those poor descisions and that in ucl and other leagues. So your argument is weak and hypocritical.
Cristiano would never have that breakdown... He was 2-0 down and scored a hattrick to send Juve further... He scored all 5 of Juve's goals in the knockout stage, he always shows up!
untill they loose.
And Ajax
2018: Roma
2019: Liverpool
2020: Shameful
@@joshuachauke3493 Ronaldo destroyed every Team from 2016 to 2018. Messi lost to the Roma and Liverpool.
Has ronaldo scored against liverpool in final?
its funny how this pundits defend Messi but never defend CR7
Cause Ronaldo is average. Score millions of penalties and tap ins.
@@joshuachauke3493 fooooool! Ronadlo has more goals outside the box than Messi
He scored when his Team needed him the most. It dosent matter how the ball went in or how the goal was.
@@joshuachauke3493 Messi the bottler could of done with a tap in yesterday 😂
Cause they...fucking jealous of cr7
Messi sure is one of the greatest of all time as well as one of the biggest big game bottler of all time and last night proved it once again. Congrats liverpool well deserved win.
Vatsal Singh Yeah mate, the first leg clearly wasn’t a big game
In almost 700 games played, you can count on your hands how many times he’s disappeared lol. You know you’re good when you don’t score a hat trick, people think you had an “off” day lol
Metagross Metagame the tie is over two legs what good is it playing well first leg and still going out ??
Sharmarke Suleiman Messi played well the second leg as well. However, his performance will be forgotten because there was no off the ball movement (there is a picture of 5 Liverpool players swarming around Messi) and absolutely nobody to receive Messi’s passes. He set Coutinho, Suarez and Alba up for chances but they all missed. Messi has to take the burden of being a goalscorer because Suarez is shite in the CL and the playmaker as well because Barcelona’s midfield has no creativity at all. However this will go down in the eyes of many fans like you and OP as a game Messi ‘bottled’ unfortunately.
Metagross Metagame he didn’t have a bad game but he had 3 goal scoring chances two which he dragged wide and one were Allison made the save although it was a tight angle if he had been clinical which u need to be at this stage they would be through
When messi screws up or ronaldo outshines him.
ESPN: they're both great players
When messi preforms well finally in the UCL.
ESPN: Goat!
Also, this game just solidifies the fact he disappears regularly when it matters. And that's why he's not the goat. It's not just this game!
I mean constantly he gets embarrassed in the UCL.
7-0 from Bayern.
4-0 from PSG. (neymar saved him that time)
4-0 from Liverpool.
3-0 from Juventus.
3-0 from Roma.
Ian but still got further than Ronaldo's Juventus team.. So yes, it's a fact that Messi has taken his team further than Ronaldo's team this year.
Just that Anfield is a step too far for any team in a semi final 2nd leg. So the results you wrote down mean absolutely nothing in terms of this season. So being knocked out in the Quarter final by Ajax isn't embarrassing, yet playing away at Anfield in a semi final is ?
@@thefuhrermay3377 True dude
Lmao I can list all the games Ronaldo lost too and say he 'disappears regularly when it matters'. I cant remember how many fucking times Ronaldo 'disappears' against Barcelona in La Liga. And you're really blaming the attacking player who scored 2 goals in the first leg for not being able to defend a 3 goal cushion, if anything Pique, Lenglet, and Alba deserves most of the blame more than any other player, especially not the player who scored 2 goals in the first leg. Dumbass Ronaldo fan finally happy he got out of the cave after months of hiding. And why not list the games Messi didnt disappear against top teams, like against Bayern or Juve in 2015, or against MU, or against Spurs, or against Chelsea, etc etc. Do you want me to continue?
@@fuaddanial2029 Eh fuad. Kau takmo nk sembah ni Messi la. Dia kalau betul bagus, dia perform where it matters most. Kalau Barca main bagus, Messi ligat. Kalau Barca tgh kalah, Messi lost. Dia bukan leader. Kau obviously tau CR7, tapi kau pernah npk Maradona ngn Zidane main? Dorg 3 baru all-time great. Club & international dorg perform. Messi bila main utk Argentina mcm kedi. Copa America pun takle menang. Miss penalty. Kalau stakat score lwn Levante, Getafe every season CR7 da bikin da. Messi takde tulang belakang. Dia memang gifted tapi overrated. Terror kampung, kt Nou Camp ngn La Liga. Player kalau betul2 bagus, mana2 league, tournament atau system dorg bole main. Kau belajar psl bola, analyse betul2. Jangan banyak main Fifa.
@@luqmankamal8209 Lmao bro, aku blajar kat London, probably pergi lagi byk CL match dari kau. And Ronaldo x pernah even considered an all time great, bila dia perform utk international? Time dia injured final Portugal tu? Kau rasa kalau Eder yg main utk Argentina instead of Higuain tak ke Messi dah menang WC 2014? And captain definisi dia boleh berubah. Ada captain lead by authority, macam Ramos or Puyol. Ada lead by example, macam Messi. And kau nak rendahkan Messi score gol lawan Levante bagai, asal Ronaldo mng 3 je La Liga dalam 9 tahun kalau La Liga tu senang sangat? And Ronaldo tu sendiri bukan leader sgt pn, kat RM xpernah lgsung jadi captain, at least Messi byk kongsi captaincy dgn Iniesta after Xavi retire, Ronaldo x pernah skali dapat armband kat RM.
Another historic Messi failure.
This is a disaster for Barcelona.
These pundits trying to take away the brilliance of LFC.✨
and looking for Alien abduction excuses.
Laughable.
Messi is oldtimer over yhe hill and far away
As a Barca fan Jurgen klopp is very underrated, they deserved to win and it's time to sack our coward valverde
Barca lose = Messi is bad.
How blind r u?
Check the details and then u will find out.
Liverpool’s first 2 goals were Alba giving away the ball. 4th goal Barca defense was sleeping. Let me guess you’ll blame that on Messi.
Messi created 3 good chances for his teammates. They missed. Let me guess you’ll blame that on Messi.
He scored 2 in the first leg
And 2 against Man U
And 2 against Lyon. He has the most goals in CL this season but let me guess it’s his fault they conceded 4 and lost.
When u do more than look at the scoresheet next time I’ll talk.
@@sammybosak10 I dont know why the fuck Semedo didn't start. Barcelona were 3-0 up they needed defence so it is only natural Semedo plays instead of sergi. Also after the first leg Valverde should have known that coutinho would be shit in the 2nd leg and play malcom instead.
Absolutely nobody:
Barca:
Blows a 3-0 lead 😂😂😂😂
Not true, New York Yankees blew a 3-0 lead to the Red Sox. 😎
@@MafiaboysWorld Red Sox also share the same owner with LFC 😎
Roma last year in UCL
Messi is just as responsible, for the loss, as his teammates are. He definitely should have taken his chances and come off with at least 1 goal, however, you can not honestly try to tell me that this was *completely* his fault. If your reasoning for this goes something along the lines of "Other players are ripped apart when they lose like this, so Messi should!" then shame on you. It shouldn't be like that for any player that put in a decent performance. Of course they are responsible because they play for the team, but they are only individuals.
They represent for their team but they don't represent the entire team.
He might be better than Ronaldo from a skill and technical perspective, but Ronaldo is greater in that he comes up big most times in clutch situations
Most accurate and correct statement i've heard. MESSI = SKILL - CR7 = FIGHT
as a Barcelona fan, I agree.
@@angelgeorge6186 how so? Explain it. How am I lying to myself??? You're projecting here. You must not be a real Barça fan, and am mad that i'm just right. Fact. Argentina hasn't won a world cup since Maradona. Fact. Ronaldo has 5 UCLs, Barcelona has 5 UCLs altogether. Fact. Ronaldo, the older player, scored twice in both legs against Ajax, Messi scored twice in just the 1st leg.
Now, if you ask me who is the better player, point blank period, it's Messi. Ronaldo plays with heart, true, but Messi is the best player alive today, and the fact that UEFA has him at #5. . . they should be jailed, for mental instability. You think I'm doubting Messi just because he lost here, and now i'm turning on the guy??? Hell naw, been a Barça fan before Messi came on the scene, and will be a Barça fan when Messi leaves. Bye Felicia.
I'm going to show my true Barça colors here saying giving out my completely biased top 5 players of all time: 1. Maradona, 2. Messi, 3. Pele, 4. Ronaldinho, 5. Ronaldo (Brazil).
@Heisenberg-SchrodingerEmc2 yeah except we haven't seen that Ronaldo since his second year in Madrid
@Heisenberg-SchrodingerEmc2 bro i swear if that ronaldo nazario didnt injured himself,he would fuck all the team he has played against.Sadly his career was ruined by injuries.
The fact that they are defending messi as if he hasn't been disappearing the past 3 years now 4!! He's the captain of course he deserves all the scrutiny! He's supposed to be the one to get his team in the game and motivate them not just look at his feet every time they scores. He should stop wearing captains armband because he can not lead!
Bullshit excuse
Ok rono fan 😂😂😂
Go and bark in farmers league
I expected more from supposed GOAT.
He did quite well. He created great chances for Alba and Suarez, alone with the keeper, but they blew it. Other players have to play too, after all it's a team sport. And Barca had the advantage because of Messi. Unfortunately, Messi can't pass himself and finish!
@@argyrisgiannisismanes8600
But he know his playmaking get destroyed every year, he should focus on scoring.
@@ajinkyathorat7502 ronaldo scored 2 out of the quarters he should focus creating chances as well so his teammates could score as well, rather than stealing their goals.
G.O.A.T means," Greatest player of all time" not most perfect or most clinical goal poacher in ucl world cup etc of all time
You mean he should have done more than make 3 one on ones for his team while being trapped by 5 players
I hate that overhyped messi agenda of praising him and summarizing him to g.o.a.t. when barca wins, but when they lose it is always about the team that didnt suporting him. He never gets critisized! All the other football players dont have that privilege by the media. I dont understand that obsession honestly🤯🤯🤯. I belive in this era are 2 players that are 2levels above all other players in the world and you know who they are but unfortunately football is a team sport not individual!!!! and there only can be the team that was/is g.o.a.t. of all time!!!! Teams win trophys not individuals!!!!!
Mitar Hribar still Barcelona is always depend on messi , that’s fact 🤷🏽♂️.
@@helawiahadu3735 no barcelona depends on their players but let say in 70% messi is that key player that helps them to reach their goals. But still he needs help from his team mates right. If it is like you say then he needs himself and a goalkeeper and then he can play against every club and win games right. My point is that when they play bad is teams fault or coaches but when they win it is all about messi that is not objectivity like it suposed to be, but just own personal opinion by the people that are blind and dont realise true facts becouse of love and admiration of the player. For me it is ridicilus but other players if they do the same get critized by everyone especialy by wery objective comentators and are not looking excuses for them like team didnt help him .......its coach fault.....
Well, Argentina didn't do well in the World cup even with Messi, but he is the reasons we love Football,he has done it no matter what!
🌎🏆🇦🇷🐐
Cristiano is the Goat. You can always trust him when it comes to big games because he always delivers. He can easily put a team on his back.
Gameros7 you can count on the refs 😂 he left madrid cuz of VAR to go be successful with a team that was already doing better without him and didn’t need him
Yeah fr Ronaldo definatly showed up in the semis and finals last year
@@tonyhuerta8964 Yup, Cristiano the GOAT 👌
like when he told eder to put portugal on his back 🤣🤣🤣
🌎🏆🐐🇦🇷
messi is not the goat.ITS THE SAME OLD STORY JUST LIKE LAST YEAR WHEN HE CHOOOKEEE AGAINST AS ROMA COME ON NOW STOP SAYING HE'S THE GOAT.ALSO HAVEN'T WON NOTHING/NADA FOR ARGENTINA.
His gotta perform in all competition including national. He is so bad when he is losing. And Argentina arent a bad team.
Terry Boniface lol what a statement coming surely from a ronaldo fanboy, blinded to the bone so you really think messi didn’t perform well this cl?
@@brandonsomo6200 I think today bad day or not his morale brought the team down.
qskes Argentina are a terrible team don’t you dare bring up Argentina and team in the same sentence bc it’s Messi fc and you wanna talk about “so bad” when he’s losing he played good but considering their were 3 ppl on him at all times what should the guy do
@@hanimackie3842 this is why it doesn't make him goat. Argentina is still a strong team. His attitude this game was so bad it rubbed of on the rest of the team. He is the captain he needs step up.
4 old men just wasted my 5 minutes defending messi.
Out of Messi’s most important trophies (4 UCL titles), he was a sub in 05-06 scoring one goal in the entire UCL season, won 2 with peak Xavi and Iniesta, none but two biggest humiliations in the history against Roma and today Liverpool without them. Sometimes you don’t need sublime skills but preservation and determination.
What has cr7 won without modric and tony ?
Tell Ronaldo to get a wc
Not goat, he's not so good in the national team... These players are much more protected today than 40 years ago.
agreed. Doesn’t compare to maradona. I don’t care what the media says. I know football, theyre not going to convince me messi is the goat
@@eldio2124 lol soy
Well the national team sucks!!! lol All these teams messi plays for are to reliant on him to get them thru. These teams play best when the team does good while having messi. You think Barca would have gotten close to this far in the CL without messi? Hell no! They are pretty average without him and probably knocked out with Real Madrid.
You think Argentina would have made it to this last WC without him? Hell no! Wouldn't have even qualified.
People praise him when he takes an average team far but hate on him when he can't take these average teams far.
If Jordan played on an average NBA team he wouldn't have all those rings. He had a good team and was the X factor for all those wins. Look at Lebron on a shit Lakers team and they can't even make it to the plays offs. Doesn't mean lebron isn't the best basketball player this generation.
Just trying to bring logic and reason here that's all. ; ) Lets not forget every damn liverpool player this game was amazing.
Completely agree, they always say don’t blame Messi, it’s his teammates that are bad but what about Maradona taking a 10th position Napoli team and turning them into champions
@@Ali-bf1xi atleast 4 good players can make one world class player good
Neymar did it all by himself vs psg but Messi took the credit
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I remember exactly that day, it's sad. When Barcelona wins messi gets all the credit but when they loose the blame is on other 10 players
It was the Referee that did the job but still Messi got the credit :D
messi defo did not get credit that day
Since when did Messi take the credit? The only Person(s) i've heard give the credit to him are his fanboys.
Messi didn't get any credit
Ronaldo put Juventus in a position to be in the quarter finals
Quarter finals in which he scored one goal home and away
Should we also be saying that there comes a time when the other Juventus 10 should've chipped in and helped him out??
@@angelgeorge6186 Messi wad being played as a striker yesterday against Liverpool... So what's your point?
Front 2 with Suarez
@@angelgeorge6186 what are you trying to prove? Messi is expected to fucking score aswell lmao
Last week “greatest of all time”
so they lose and now “is he the greatest?!”
Absolutely pathetic hearing them defend messi like that. If he was the goat he should of made a difference. He took his shots and missed.
His attitude after 1-0 was obvious he didnt want to win. He is always like that when losing. Not a game changer
That is why ronaldo is goat because he wants it more.
ronaldo lost to ajax. the difference in UCL this season between the two is that messi choked in the semifinals after carrying a team and leading the league in goalscoring while ronaldo choked in the quarterfinals.
@@thegrind8165 ronaldo didnt choke. He showed up but lost. Messi didnt so anything and his attitude was poor.
@@quangathy attitude ? Bullshit you are not a real Messi fan
Maybe Ronaldo wants it more but Messi is just more gifted. And you know it.
@@joshuachauke3493 yes gifted but it's the difference between them. One hard work vs raw talent
When they win, it’s all king messi, when they lose.. it’s the teammates to blame 🤦🏾♂️. If it was Ronaldo, these guys would be tearing him apart 😂😂😂
@@angelgeorge6186 Fr Cr7 fans acting as if hes not losing the golden boot race to a 36 year old
Angel George haha all I know is Ronaldo doesn’t blow 3/0 leads 😂😂 but the best player and captain can’t even get his team through
@@judejamesrupiny4378 Messi lost to a team on pace to have 97 points in a season which have the best defence in Europe even though their in the best league in Europe. Ronaldo lost to a bunch of kids led by a 19 year old lol
@@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON. You said "Messi lost to a team on pace to have 97 points in a season which have the best defence in Europe even though their in the best league in Europe. Ronaldo lost to a bunch of kids led by a 19 year old lol"
Well at least Ronaldo did his part he scored in both legs for a team that is more defensive minded that offensive. Being defensive minded they should have never lost that is not Ronaldo's fault.
@@angelgeorge6186 You said "Not really. Messi is miles ahead of Cr7, thats not even a debate this season. Whatever helps you feel better man"
Only in your own mind is he miles ahead.
Imagine if King Salah and Bobby played today? We'd be looking at least 10 goals! Hat tricks by Salah, Bobby, and Mane. The ghost of Roma was haunting all Barcaca players the moment Dumbele missed the goal opportunity in the first leg. You could see it clearly in shorty's eye
510jesus 10 is a clear exaggeration, but you could’ve scored more.
No, Salah sucks.
Barcelona the ultimate chokers of Europe 🤣
RDX BROZ Idk, I find it funny that they win the double even when they are literally being carried by one man, ie when they are at their worst 🤷🏻♂️
Ah they never disappoint me, when Messi loses, it’s the teams fault. When the team wins, Messi’s the goat. Ronaldo wins, the teams the reason, team loses, Ronaldo didn’t do much. So bias 😂
They always say that all the time, am not longer surprise 😑😑🤣🤣
and now you both will cry forever 🌎🏆🐐🇦🇷
Cristiano would get ripped apart by these people if he lost a game like this, he did his job in a team that isn't completely elite even messi said he has envy of cristiano because he always ends up bringing trophies home, if Cristiano had an elite team this season he probably would be in the final, while messi always lowers his head and scratches his beard when he's losing, you look at messi and cristiano and wonder why messi has a captain's armband
@Iker Vita Elite but not at the level of Manchester City, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern etc...
100%
Alex Gallegos Neither are Ajax a complete team.. But still Ronaldo's Juventus couldn't get past them in the Quarter Finals.
Tables don't lie.. The fact is, Messi got to the Semi final, whilst Ronaldo was watching him from his living room on his TV.
Alex Gallegos Man City, Bayern, Real Madrid Elite? Man City knocked out by Spurs and should have lost in FA cup by Championship side Swansea City, only to be saved by dodgy linesman and probably helped by the fact that they're owned by Arabs who also sponsor the FA cup. Real Madrid will always live in the shadow of Barca and then you have Bayern who are just an ordinary side like Spurs. To say Juventus are not a complete elite side is an understatement.
@@thefuhrermay3377May because you mentioned how Messi reached the semi-final and Ronaldo stayed home, I wanted to tell you that Messi had not been to a semi-final in THREE seasons prior. If you were wondering, Ronaldo won the UCL in each of those years. 🐐🐐🐐
Leo is not captain quality even though he is a great player
His mentality is too weak, he gave up after the second goal by Liverpool.
@@thanos2209 Is it weird you actually speak like Thanos, who failed on the ultimate stage? And did you see Messi's run where he got fouled?
Thanos His mentality isn’t weak, he realised that this team won’t do shit and that’s why when he got the ball he tried to dribble past the Liverpool players. He realised that he had to carry them again. He took the responsibility on his shoulders. If that’s not strong mentality, I don’t know what is.
@@metagrossmetagame560 Did he give up after the second half?... Yes, he did... and he never carried Barcelona... Ronaldinho, Neymar, Xavi and Iniesta did.. What has Messi accomplished in the last 5 years besides La Liga? If you think about it, Messi took all the credit from these great players.
I guess Messi's Mentality isn't weak but it's not strong as other players.. Reason why he won't be the goat even if he is the best dribbler.
@@metagrossmetagame560 what responsibility he took in the 2nd leg please explain me? Ya atleast i know he didnt take the responsibility of scoring
The look on Messi's face when Trent Arnold fooled the entire Barcelona defense with his corner to Origgi was priceless !!
Gordon Johnstone “You fuckers had one simple job. Fuck it, even I can’t carry you all and this incompetent coach.”
@@metagrossmetagame560 facts
Let’s see ESPNFC defend Cristiano when something similar happens. Having a preference is one thing, but being so absolutely biased is absolutely shambolic and shameful. Disgraceful.
Roaming Flank Hey thanks! 😃 That clarification REALLY helped clear that up! Really appreciated!
Ronaldo is not the goat, Messi is, ask your father
BS discussion there. If you are GOAT you have to prove it or stfu!
Cr7 has proved it many times in clubs and in country level!!
So has messi. That's not an argument. Try again.
Ronaldo has never scored a goal out of group stage in World Cup...well Messi neither!! It is why none of this guy can ever be the best to my point of view.
yeah like when he couldnt beat Ajax
douguette1 but Messi has been in final and the best passer in wc
@@Charlie_Nice really
Barca wins - Messi is the GOAT
Barca loses - It’s the other 10
You can’t have it both ways.
Maybe it's because he does everything for them and when he doesn't play they always loose.
Ezra Przytyk Yeah, unfortunate that some people still don’t get this.
He is a human...so he can't win every time he steps on the field
Well that's the fucking problem barca face either its Messi who steps up or there's no one. There are no match winners apart from Messi and we've seen it all season or in past 2-3 seasons
@@ezraprzytyk he does everything only in league matches. Ko stage outside of camp nou, he does nothing.
Ah stop it already! Messi is Awesome, one of the greatest ....when his team is not struggling and not dominated. These analysts keep tellin us that the difference between messi and ronaldo is that messi can score WHEN HE WANTS, can create his goals when he wants. There was a time when greatest were judged on great moments and challenge! All the greatest in all sports have one thing in common: they were the ULTIMATE COMPETITOR. Messi is not! He is 31, we already have the biggest sample of his carreer tellin us who he is and who he is not! A one of generation talent and genius in the perfect club and system for him (Barcelona); but no leader; not a great performer in the clutch and when it matters the most!
I guess he didnt feel like scoring yesterday lol
Marco Lee You're right. Maradona has said that Messi is not a leader. He would vomit numerous times before a game. People then used ad hominems, against Maradona saying that he was a drug abuser. Well Maradona was closer than anyone thats commenting on youtube and discussion forums. It is true that Messi is very talented, but because of that talent an image has been portrayed of him as being a leader also. In any sport, it seems for the most part, that the most talented are also leaders. Messi is not. He is not comfortable with that, because it is not him. This is the major difference between him and Ronaldo. Maradona has also been quoted as saying that he wished that Ronaldo was born Argentinian. And I am sure because of Ronaldo's take the bull by the horns mentality. Something that he desperately needed when he coached Argentina.
@@jcbones3098 Not taking anything from Maradona but his WC performances are filled with scandals. Some including feeding horse tranquilizer to opposing defenders. I don't think he would perform pretty similarly to Messi in the WC. Except the 2010 WC was all on Maradona he has no idea how to coach a team 😂😂
Just stfu
@@jcbones3098 Yeah everything Maradona says is truth, right?
Ronaldo steps up when it matters, Messi hangs his head and disappears
Danny 906 he couldn’t against Ajax
Where was he at Ajax? That’s what I thought
@@eltoncervantes3890 he was on the score sheet
Comfort Prince and what about it did he help late game?
Ned Flanders yea but they got eliminated
He is a great player but he doesn't do well under pressure unlike cr7
why didnt cr7 beat ajax then.
@@thegrind8165 Ajax had bit of luck and have not that pressure
Where does this pressure thing about Ronaldo come from. Ronaldo has disappeared countless times when Madrid needed him to step up againts Messi in El clasicos.
40 yr old yaya
You mean Valverde.
My Gosh, they asking the same question over and over again? To me it sounds like some doubt it.
They themselves at ESPN doubt it.
Y'all need to stop this nonsense making excuses for Messi. When Barça win it's because of Messi, but whenever they lose, the coach sucks. Stop it! It's repetitive when it comes to Messi. The man don't show up when his back is against the wall
Lmaoo He missed penalty vs Chile final, missed sitters vs Germany final and choked back2back (Roma&Liverpool) How is he the best ??
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Messi is currently the best attacker in the world.
he missed penalty against iceland during world cup 2018 too
It's not Messi's problem is the coach why did he beach Semedo in the match
@@musahsita8253 Yeah, sure, the coach is also to blame. But the freaking goat should be expected to carry his team. One goal was all they needed.
Messi is the Goat. But only in midget`s competition. Otherwise not even top 10. Most overrated player on this planet.
Barca blew a 3-0 lead. That’s a choke. Messi is part of Barcelona which means he choked 😂😂😂
no his teammates choked when he set them up with clear chances....
Can someone please explain to me why umtiti,semedo and arthur didn't start the game?I mean why does the coach pick all the over 30's in the midfield when we needed players with legs to get around the pitch.
Messi is playing he's best game this season and he reached first time in semi in last 4 year
Den 1 day he open his eyes and asked where am i d person replied it's champion league den he realize it's not his place he told other person "we dont do this here" and promised himself to focus on his main trophy(copa del rey)😂😂
"There comes a time when the other 10 have to chip in" ... Have you seen the way the rest of Juve aside from Ronaldo have played this entire season? CR7 rolls over this man in especially in the champions league the past 5+ years now
Have you seen any other player in Barcelona apart from messi play in the champions league this season , how dumb people are. Getta out of here Ronaldo dumb imbecile fan.
@@light3181 lol, if hes an imbecile for being a fan of ronaldo, then youre a moron for being a fan of messi. what crap.
Loki sheesh that was rude...
Barca fan : "we have Messi"
Liverpool fan : "who?"
Messis team? Nowhere, except vidal
We have 4 - 0. We are playing as a team not with prayer.
Barca coach didn't even use substitutes because most of em are injured.He put semdo instead of Vidal but all Barca players were lost.LV playing at a first pace.
Last Year Roma , Now at Anfield Liverpool 🤷🏻♂️ . A Goat That Disappears when His team Needs him most .
Why bother calling it a team when all they do is rely on one man? Football is so fucked up right now. Messi and Ronaldo are single handedly carrying their teams.
Why bother calling it a team when all they do is rely on one man? Football is so fucked up right now. Messi and Ronaldo are single handedly carrying their teams.
Why bother calling it a team when all they do is rely on one man? Football is so fucked up right now. Messi and Ronaldo are single handedly carrying their teams.
Know your animals. He's sheep, not goat.
@@CO8848_2 Damn right
Yeah, Suarez scored first and assisted second how was it Messi who gave the 3 goals.
Talking of chances Liverpool should have won at camp nou
Who made the chance for suarez to hit the post for the 2nd goal moron?
How did Suarez assist Messis 2nd goal? did you even see the pass Messi made to Alba so Alba could make that amazing pass to Suarez that ended in his 1st goal?
@Ngm Mngw 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@robertfrancis5447 who assisted
Barcelona just isn't run well at all. The moment Messi retires the club will fall apart. 200 million plus was spent on dembele and coutinho, awful signings , especially now real madrid are going to spend big this season
pickle ell yeah Coutinho is a bad signing but Barca is gonna De Jong and they probably gonna get a striker
@@FreddieGamingHD no salah and no firmino too amazing
pickle ell If they would have won you wouldn’t be saying this won’t you? Barcelona will do fine without Messi they have a good future ahead of them coming from a Liverpool fan
@@russiansniperbot6264 nope, I follow a bunch of Barcelona fans, their club is not run properly at all, look into it
pickle ell They were perfectly fine....is that la liga doesn’t have many good teams to go against when you go to the ULC you play against actual teams not farmers....Real is nothing At the moment and atlético is in the middle
Oh so when Messi doesn’t score it’s ok but when Ronaldo doesn’t score. It’s over, he’s old😑😑😑😑 like the logic makes me lose brain cells.
That would explain your comment.
Because Messi created like 4 chances and it was his bad game... Ronaldo never creates that many chances
@@Dragonking815 chances don't win games, goals does and that's what Ronaldo is the best at. Messi is a football ginues and a magician but in the most important times his dissapiring.
Something Ronaldo don't do
He scored against ajax both home and away goals and with out him they wouldn't surpass atletico Madrid.
Ronaldo is better overall but Messi is just fun to watch.
@@Dragonking815 So explain to me how CR7 has more goals and assists in the UCL than Messi who keeps choking when it matters the most.Remember he has only won 1 UCL in 8 years that tells you without Xavi and Iniesta he's bang average.
@@Nkosi-B what xavi and Iniesta ..Messi still has more goals +assists than Ronaldo without Xavi and Iniesta
Ronaldo missed the penalty in ucl final yet teammates wonit helped win
Football is a team sport Ronaldo was not the best player in euro yet teammates won while he was not playing on the other hand Messi was the best player in copa America yet higuain and Aguero missed so many chances....you people talk about Ronaldo winning the 3 different leagues while the teams he played for is Sir Alex manu and rM with modric isco...tevez, Rooney, vidic, evra scholes, giggs were weak players?
....messi is 4 times player of the week in Ucl this year every match Barça won is because of him can't do it alone...
Messi is a fragment of Maradona sorry. He is a one team wonder and a typical Barcelona player. Never had the courage to try other leagues. For most of his time he has had Iniesta and Xavi, two of the best midfielders ever supplying him with balls to just slot away.
@Eugene Fevrier you are obviously a Messi ass kisser. Yes he is a playmaker but didn’t make any fucking plays did he. Be honest with yourself instead of lying to yourself. He couldn’t take the game by the scruff of the neck. I bet your the type to say “Liverpool were lucky” “Roma last year were luckily”. Messi is a world class player, but his performance was at best distinctively average for “the best player on the planet” wake up man he is a great player and only a Barcelona player! Would struggle in the premier league. Also what has Messi done for Argentina Fuck all again. Maradona carried that Argentina team in 86 and Messi has very good Argentinian players around him. Ibrahimovic left cause Messi’s attitude stinks. Maradona carried Napoli to win Seria A. Get real we all agree Messi is a wonderful footballer, but isn’t there on the big occasions for Barcelona since iniesta and Xavi left and he can’t do it for Argentina. Go rim the arse of your Messi who quit the Argentina team twice cause he couldn’t win jack shit.
@Heisenberg-SchrodingerEmc2 messi has more assists in k.o stagesPLAYING 20 GAMES LESS. which you guys consider while talking about UCL.
XAVI PLAYED 9 YEARS WITH BARCA ASSISTED MESSI 32 TIMES.
OZIL PLAYED 3 YEARS WITH MADRID ASSISTED RONALDO 28 TIMES.
OZIL CARRIED RONALDO?
@extremedude1234 xavi + iniesta 62 assists to messi in 13 years.
ozil 28 assists in 4 years, in 10 years he would have given 70 assists alone. now back to your kennel.
@extremedude1234 top 4 or top 10?
Madrid was built around Ronaldo, he took the shine with his goals scored.
Yes Messi was the main man too but difference is that Barcelona per their football philosophy played more as a team; any player could score, goals could come from anywhere as well as assist plus Messi unselfishness in game play.
And even if xavi and iniesta were favorites for ballon dor did they win it?
No.
But luka modric have won ballon dor as a Madrid player.
Besides before ozil won 2014 world cup both xavi and iniesta have won 2008euros,2010 world cup and 2012 euros, a treble of international titles not forgetting Barcelona dominance in ucl under pep guardiola around the same time.
Successes in titles and porpularity also influences who gets nominated for ballon dor.
The truth is you analytics nerds want to declare a goat who doesn’t play well in big spots
The one who doesn't play well is Valverde. He did the same last year vs Roma. Gets the lead and decides to cower back and play defensive instead of attacking. Messi barely ever had the ball at his feet because the passing was all in the back.
The first leg is also inculded in the semis dumb.He scored two.Team didn't play well.Got out
CR scored against Ajax too.Team was shit.Got out.
I can say that you only watched this game.
100%
Yeah sure u cant expect messi to be defending and attacking at the same time when 4-5 players have caged him up! Go and watch the stats messi was directly involved in every shot that was taken! Its not 1v11 its 11v11 always! Do u even watch football?
Ronaldo gets 3 champions league back to back and noone cares. Messi gets destroyed 3 years back to back and people still say their equal. I love and respect them both but Ronaldo is the GOAT no question. Any league, any team
Facts
Ronaldo also won a treble with manu
Ronaldo has 2 la ligas in 9 years. Messi only has 1 less ucl and more trophies in general thats why it aint the biggest deal lol
@@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON. u meant the ucl of xavi and inesta? ronaldo got the 2016 euro though. shut the fuck up man . Funny guy
@@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON. 4-0 :) carried by xavi and iniesta
Messi and Ronaldo both are great players of our generation. Both have given sweat and hardwork to reach where they are today. Thank you messi and ronaldo for giving us great football throughout the years !!
Until Messi wins anything major without Xavi or Iniesta or another club, I would never think of him greater than C. Ronaldo. Example Messi not winning anything with Argentina or not winning anything w/ Barca since Xavi and Iniesta left.
Thats because Xavi and iniesta were key players that set Messi up. Now it's just Messi carrying Barca like a newborn baby.
Agreed
Look at Ronaldo in a lower league( like ronaldo fans say)...he shouldn't even be considered in top 5 for player of the year in 2019 as seen by many analysts.Won't you now say he needs a good team to be at the top(he actually does have a good team but he needs one of the best to be one of the best.181 goals in 193 games since xavi left and 41 goals in 38 games since iniesta left. The highest goal ratio in ucl for those who say he has not proved himself in other leagues...Messi has done it in the biggest.And Barcelona in the last 2 seasons were terrible...just look at their current state.Messi still STILL took them so far.That argument about messi depending on Barcelona is completely one that a brain dead person would make after looking closely.He doesn't need Barcelona,Barcelona needs him.Its painfully obvious.