Do PANEL IMPACT RATIOS Matter? (PRO SERIES #1) ft Bilt Hamber Auto Foam
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- In this 'Pro Series' video #1 we discuss the Pre Wash stage in more detail, and the importance of Panel Impact Ratios (PIR) when completing a Pre Wash of a vehicle.
There's an interesting demo, in which we used the foams at the recommended amounts suggested by the manufacturers.
We know that the wash stage is the stage which can cause the most imperfections in a vehicles surface, so getting the Pre Wash stage correct is of paramount importance to aid in having the safest wash stage.
In this video we discuss what PIR's are?, we see if PIR's make a difference?, and just how much if at all?
A lot of people think that more foam or thick foam equals a better pre wash. As much as this may be true to some extent there comes a cut off point where if the foam is too thick/dry, or adding too much product is just a waste of money, and knowing the optimum amount of product needed to get the best pre wash is what makes the difference.
To work out PIR:
a. How much product is needed once you know the flow rate of your system:
e.g. You establish a 12 litre flow rate, and you need 4% PIR =
12000 x 0.04 = 480 ml
b. You put a certain amount of product in your foam lance and want to know the PIR:
e.g. You establish a 12 litre flow rate, and you add 260 ml of product in your foam lance =
260/12000 x 100 = 2.16% PIR
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No products were harmed in the making of this video. Products used are:
AutoFinesse Avalanche SnowFoam (1 Litre)
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AutoFinesse Citrus Power Bug & Grime Remover (1 Litre)
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Bilt Hamber Auto Foam (5 Litres)
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In2Detailing Snow Foam Lance 1L and K2 Series Swivel Gun
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IK 1.5 Foamer
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Ultimate Finish 20L Bucket with Grit Guards
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Thanks very much for doing this video. I actually used to do it wrong :( I added 480mls and then added 520 pls water ) so I actually now realise I was diluting it to 2% PIR all along. Oh dear! Honestly I was caught up in watching so many guys in the early days of PIR adding water to the snow foamer to bring it up to 1 L. Thank goodness you did this video.
Declan Flaherty - Glad you found the video useful! As with most things in the detailing world there is a lot of conflicting information out there so we just try to simplify matters as best as we can. TBH AutoFoam has a recommended max PIR of 4% so if your vehicle was not ‘too’ soiled a 2% PIR would have been fine! Glad it helped though ... if you’ve not subscribed to our channel, or watched any of the other videos please make sure you do. Make sure you check us out on Instagram too. Thanks 👍🏽🙏🏽👊🏽
Good stuff - really well explained. Have seen other detailing channels make a dog's dinner of trying to explain PIR :)
Hi Adam! Thanks for your kind comments! Glad you liked the content 👍🏽
Brilliantly explained 😊. Thank you. I wondered why my Bilt Hamber didn’t live up to expectations 🤣. You now have a new subscriber
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This is a great video. It has helped me to truley and finally understand PIR.
Thankyou. Excellent work👍
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OMG, you are the best so far. you break it down so much. I always use bilt hamber but got confused about the mixture with a spray bottle. I use 1 litre of chemical to 4 litres of water. thank you for a job well done
Ola Mobile Valeting Ltd - Thank you for your kind words! Much appreciated 🤗. As you can now see 1 litre BH to 4 litres water is way too strong for spray bottle solution! That makes a 20% solution when all BH needs is 4% at its strongest to be effective. No harm to vehicle just waste of product and money. Thanks again - check out the rest of the channel and if you’ve not subscribed please make sure you do 👍🏽🙏🏽
great video pal. the best ive seen.
ashley stratton - Thank You for your kind words! Glad you found the video useful 😎
Thanks for taking the time.
Great video thank you. Would you recommend 4% using Bilt Hamber Touch-Less
jack black - Thank You for your kind words. Yes Touch-Less is also typically used at 4% PIR. Please make sure you check out the rest of the channel and if you’ve not already done so please subscribe. Thanks 👍🏽🙏🏽🚗.
Great explanation and test, thank you. I’ve used both foams and auto-foam is far superior in my experience. Avalanche produces thicker foam, but a bit pointless as it didn’t have great cleaning power (compared to auto-foam anyway!).
A quick question though; why didn’t you run the test with a PIR of 2.16% for Avalanche? This would be a true representation of what 2 inches of product in a lance bottle is. Auto Finesse recommend 1-2 inches in a lance bottle, not in a foamer/sprayer. Many thanks 👍
Hi David. Thanks for watching and your kind comments 👍🏽
Very good question and one of which I was anticipating 🤓. As you saw from the video 1” of AF Avalanche equated to 130 ml = 13% PIR from the IK 1.5 foamer. The source of the foam is irrelevant, e.g. whether it’s from a foaming bottle, or a foam lance. This was one of the points of the video to show it’s PIR which is the main factor which needs to be established. Essentially foam from a foam bottle, or foam from a foam lance is still foam ... just depends on the concentration i.e. the PIR? and what PIR a product needs to be? for it to be effective as a pre-wash regardless of where that foam comes from.
As you saw from the demo AF Avalanche in the IK foaming bottle 130 ml = 13% PIR which was very watery. As you state and based on our system (as described in the vid) running 260 ml AF Avalanche through a snow foam lance would have resulted in a PIR of 2.16%. We find AF Avalanche through a snow foam lance is very high foaming but has little effect as you’ve also experienced.
We think how watery it was at 13% PIR demonstrated how less effective it was, even at a high a PIR as 13% which was actually a truer measure of the AF Avalanches PIR rating. Hope that makes sense, i.e. this video wasn’t meant to be a foaming test but a test of the products’ ability to remove surface contamination.
Also AF Avalanche doesn’t have the “wetting agent” chemistry that BH Auto Foam has, so running it at a high foam but diluted would have no benefit in this PIR test. 13% PIR demonstrated that 😊
Hope this answers your question 👍🏽. Many Thanks again for watching 😎
Thanks for taking the time to do the comparison. Subbed straight away as people that love and use BH products really vouch for BH to be sprayed on rather than used in a foamer as for BH products to work best, they need to wet out the surfaces they’re applied to. Foam doesn’t wet out the surface is what they’ve always said to me. Plus it’s more expensive and inconvenient to get a snow foam gun and faff around with that.
kwl189 - Thanks for the sub! Really helps the channel so thank you! Yes - in detailing there is too much of a posing style of detailing, rather than true effectiveness which is only exasperated by glorified photos and practices! BH Auto Foam is a classic example of this. Rather than using it as a foam it is just as effective sprayed on, as you quite rightly said it’s the ‘wetting agents’ which do the work. This method means that BH Auto Foam is great value! Too many people watch videos of lively foam and that’s what people then want, rather than looking at what is most effective, cost efficient, and/or environmentally friendly! Thanks again - and please make sure you check out the rest of the channel & subscribe on Instagram too! 👍🏽🙏🏽👊🏽
@@VProjectUKDetailing Ironically, I called up Bilt Hamber this afternoon and they said either method works for Surfex HD which is commonly used to clean alloys and wheel arches as you know. Both ways are effective. I tried it myself this evening with a bog-standard pump sprayer and it did a decent job removing some of the easy grime but after blasting it off, I had to reapply and work in this time round to get most of the dirt off the alloys. These are alloys completely beset by dirt over a month of hard summer driving on the motorway, round A and B roads so perhaps I'm asking a lot from Surfex HD at 20% concentration. I will NEVER EVER understand why appearance triumphs over-functioning and results, every time. I could not give a rats backside what a product looks like, (I just about care about packaging for environmental reasons) as long as it does what it's meant to do as well as it is possible. Same for smell, which by the way Bilt Hamber do amazingly well. If they ever sell out to the greedy Yanks, I'll be so upset as this is genuine British quality. There was a time we were known for stuff like that.
@@VProjectUKDetailing As for the auto foam, I shall have to try and see how that goes. Pump sprayers do leak a bit though so some product is wasted I think. I enjoy the product though and its results are remarkable. Touch-less will be great to try when I eventually run through it. Honestly, even with a quick-release trigger gun, I find it such a faff to use a foam gun and it's a constant source of frustration when they topple over because they are so top head heavy. It feels clumsy by comparison. The downside to a pump sprayer is it drying out in the sun or heat. I will say though, having worked in the harsh sun myself that it's worth going by panel by panel ANYWAY.
kwl189 - Great comprehensive answers! Agree with you! Best thing for wheels is to ceramic coat them using either Gyeon RIM, or CarPro DLUX. Makes cleaning them a breeze! Once you’ve had coated wheels you’ll never have wheels without coatings again! 👍🏽🚗
@@VProjectUKDetailing oh, mate thanks for the heads up about ceramic coatings for rims. I'll check em out as I'm fed up with backache from repeatedly having to go in so hard with my rims. Even with Surfex HD, it annoys me how stubborn the brake dust is and how quick it dries out. I feel like such an amateur when I miss a spot on the rims and the dirt just shows up or I do the rest of the car and once the car moves I've missed a chunk of the rims.
My PIR for touchless is 560ml touchless and 440ml water.
If I want to use surfex shouldn't I be using much less than 560ml because surfex is much more aggressive than touchless?
I want to use surfex as APC in my snow Canon
R.K. - Great question! The good thing with Bilt Hamber Professional products is that they provide their recommended PIR ratios for their various products! The trick is to jump onto their website, check their recommended PIR for Surfex and adjust your PIR ratios accordingly 👍🏽🙏🏽🚗
@@VProjectUKDetailing I cannot find the answer on their website. I know surfex is meant to be used at 1:19 on cars paint in a pump sprayer but in a snow canon i don't know
R.K. - There’s your answer! It doesn’t matter if the solution is coming from a pump sprayer or cannon! It’s the PIR that matters. 1:19 works out as 5% PIR. That’s the formula you should work to. However, we would suggest starting with a 3% PIR to see if that meets your needs and work up to 5% from there if 3% doesn’t work well enough! 👍🏽🙏🏽🚗
@@VProjectUKDetailing ok thank you. I calculated my PIR for my pressure washer and at 5% PIR it is showing about 560ml surfex and about 440ml water in a 1 litre snow Canon
My foam lance produced 13.8 litres of water so would me putting in 380ml of BH Touch-less be good for a 4% ratio recommend? Cheers
FastLaneOnly - Firstly thanks for watching! To work out your PIR would be your flow rate x 0.04 therefore:
13800 x 0.04 = 552 ml
Hope that helps. If you’ve not already done so please check out the rest of the channel & subscribe! Thanks 👍🏽🙏🏽🚗
@@VProjectUKDetailing awesome thank you! I turned the top nozzel on the lance to minus all the way when measuring. Is that correct? I found the 1 litre solution ran out by the time I used it a second time on the car. BH says it'll last 3 to 4 washes 🤔 did I have it on minus all the way which caused this? Thanks
FastLaneOnly - When measuring the flow rates you need to have the nozzle turned to maximum which in most cases is all the way turned to ‘+’. We usually find based on our system that the fluid is used up in only one application 👍🏽🙏🏽🚘
@@VProjectUKDetailing ah so confused now! Sorry the questions. When trying to find the PIR I did also turn it to + as you say but the 1 litre bottle wasn't being emptied 🤔. When I turned it to - it started to empty the water in it
FastLaneOnly - in that case on your system ‘-‘ will be maximum flow 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Great video... I was thinking about mixing a snow foam with AutoFinesse Citrus power in my foam bottle. What you think? - I was hoping to make the PR less than now.
Thanks for your kind comments 👍🏽. Don’t mix Citrus Power with a snow foam. Use Citrus Power (or the new ‘Dynamite’ which is a concentrated version of Citrus Power) to do any pre-washing first. Mixing Citrus Power with a snow foam just dilutes it and you won’t get the pre-wash you intend! If you want a good snow foam with a better PIR use Bilt Hamber Auto Foam which works at 40 ml per 960 ml water in a spray bottle at just 4%. Hope that helps 👍🏽
Can i use mixture of bit hamber surfix hd and some ordinary shampo?
You can ... but it’s the same as above ... Surfex HD is an APC. Diluting it won’t get you the results you may be trying to achieve. You can use Surfex HD as a snow foam in its own right and it will cut through dirt and grin every well. Just don’t let it linger too long or dry as it can cause staining
Great video, very informative, just wondered what you set the dial on top of gun to when testing for flow rate test
David Churcher - Thank you for your kind words. Glad you found the video useful. For flow rate testing you should always turn the dial to max. Please make sure you check out the rest of the channel, and if you’ve not already done so please subscribe. Thanks 👍🏽🙏🏽🚗.
Nice video. I've been using BH for some years now but I've only been putting 120ml per litre, though the car is usually pretty clean before I snow foam. I always snowfoam before every wash even though the car might not look like it needs it, yes I might be using extra products but I think its a small price to pay. I find i can probably get round the car in half a litre, so I might try 240ml per litre. Though I might go and double check my flow rate again.
Tony Joe - Thanks for your kind words! When we produced this video we kept things as simple as possible by basing our calculations on BH auto foam’s recommended max PIR of 4%. If you have a less soiled vehicle then using BH at lower dilutions would be fine. It’s more a case of us showing that the 1” in a bottle approach that most people use may yield great visual results but may not have much pre-clean effectiveness. Thanks again for your kind comments and if you’ve not subscribed please do so. Wishing you a great 2021 🙏🏽
Don't worry your surround sound isn't broken. For some reason the audio in this video was only recorded considering only the left ear.
Iv bought wax planet 8 below Iv had 5l of auto foam
my 4% pir for autofoam is 460ml. so i just put in 230 mil then half fill the bottle (500 mil). i dont need a full litre for a wash
Quick question? I did the flow test on my foam cannon but honestly wasn't thinking and did it in ounces (I'm in the US) instead of ml. Does the math still work the same? I put 32 ounces, a US quart, in my cannon and ended up with 246 oz at the end. If I multiply that 264 by .04 to get 4% I get 9.84 oz, so rounded that up to 10 for easy measure. Now if I take 10 oz soap, add 22 oz water I'm at my 32 ounces I started with. Does it work this way or do I need to redo my flow test in ml to be correct? Thanks!
Ryan H - No that’s fine! Whatever measure you use i.e. ounces or ML’s will work out the same. BH Auto Foam is designed to work between 1-5% concentrations so you could use lower dilutions if your vehicle is not that soiled e.g. multiply your flow rate by .01, .02, .03, .04 or .05. The lower the dilution ratio the less BH Auto Foam you use and you get better value for money with still great results. Just use the right concentration for the right amount of dirt. There’s a lot of confusion and misinformation about BH Auto Foam out there ... at lower dilutions it won’t foam much but that’s fine as with BH Auto Foam it’s the ‘wetting agents’ which do most of the cleaning and the foaming is not essential to its performance. For that reason you can even use it in a spray bottle by mixing whichever concentration you want (as mentioned above) and just spraying to make the product last even longer. Hope this helps 👍🏽🙏🏽
@@VProjectUKDetailing Awesome, thanks! I like to pre-mix my soap / foams by the gallon so I was thinking about doing a 4% one for when the car is dirtier and 2% for when it's not so bad.
Ryan H - 👍🏽🙏🏽😎
1 to 2 inches? That's completely meaningless.
2 inches might be 260ml on your snow-foam bottle but it won't be 260ml on that hand-pump and it certainly won't be 260ml in something like an MJJC Foam Cannon Pro. It all depends upon the diameter of the container.
PIR is a much more precise means of determining how much detergent you are putting on the surface. Even then, different foam cannons will produce a different density of foam which will affect the dwell-time and effectiveness of wetting.
I would say that try to hit the right ballpark figures and then tweak with experience.
Good video
Paul Mc Namee - Thank You. Wishing you a Merry Xmas 🎄
nice job, thanks to do it. So definitively, foam gun needed solution = total output water liter * needed solution % ? in your case 12 liter at 13% = 1560ml .. The question is... are you sure sticker label on products are referring to "manual foam pump"? maybe the 1 once or 2 once they suggested are indicator based on most and common whasher machines pump...
i can't believe that Autofiness needed 1560ml as average use in foam gun to respect they PIR... your job is fine and correctly but manucafturer label wrote "foam lance" .. who lie? they refer to manual pump or foam pressure gun? as is it , maybe PIR of 2% its correct. what do you things about?
Fabio Carone - Firstly thanks for your kind words! Much appreciated! The issue with most snow foam manufacturers is that most of them do not specify what PIR is required for it to be effective. They just state 1 or 2 inches. But as demonstrated Avalanche would need to be 13% PIR to be as effective as Bilt Hamber at 4%. Remember just because a cleaner foams does not mean it’s effectively cleaning. As professional detailers we need the PIR ratios to know that a cleaner is doing its job to its maximum capacity. From our experience Avalanche would be very weak at 2% again as demonstrated in this video. Thanks again for your kind words and if you’ve not subscribed please make sure you do! Thanks 👍🏽🙏🏽
@@VProjectUKDetailing thanks for reply. what i mean, is that 13% is referred to manual pump, in pressured foam gun is 2%, less then BiltHamber , 260ml instead of 418ml. Avalanche sticker is referring to pressure foam gun, so 12 liter with 260ml is 2%.
Fabio Carone - Yes totally understood. But at 2% PIR Avalanche is ineffective or not as effective as Bilt Hamber at 4%. Hope that makes sense 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
480ml of bilt hamber per was, 5l bottle means only 10 washes with the bilt hamber, and yet you say it will last ages?
Shane Scott - What we were referring to was Bilt Hamber use with the non-foaming method. Mixed at 4% PIR you would only need 40ml of product per litre and still get the same cleaning results as demonstrated. Therefore you would get 125 uses from the 5 litre bottle so it will last ages! That’s assuming you use the whole litre of mixed pre-clean per wash which is unlikely. So in reality you’ll get more like 200+ uses from the 5 litre bottle. Thanks for watching and if you’ve not subscribed please make sure you do 👍🏽👊🏽
@@VProjectUKDetailing thanks that makes much more sense
@@VProjectUKDetailing Apology to seek further clarification, so if we use the "non-foaming method" we would only use 40ml of product and 960ml of water", and all application of the "mixed product" would be done by hand, as no other "external" water would be added.
However if we use the lance and we have a 12 litre flow rate, and we need 4% PIR = we would use 12000 x 0.04 = 480 ml?
So effectively we are using nearly 12 times more product for the convenience of time saving?
@@kavkavia5476 - - Firstly thanks for watching! Yes - you’ve knocked the nail on the head. Far less product, for the same results! If only more people knew this! If you’ve not already done so please check out the rest of the channel & subscribe! 👍🏽🙏🏽🚗
you dont need to use a whole litre of diluted product though, unless you are doing a bus.