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I really think espn tells Max to disagree sometimes just so him and SAS can have a debate 🤦🏾♂️
9Authentic .. of course they do !
Facts
just like when skip was on here
9Authentic bro of course otherwise there would be no show
9Authentic max don’t kno shit fr lol
Stephen is gonna make Max cry one of these days😂 “just stop it you’re embarrassing yourself”
Stick to what you know Max.And that is boxing.Because Stephen A Smith won by TKO with the NBA.
I feel you max. Mj is just mad. Theres alotta good teams. Lakers clippers jazz 76ers rockets nets warriors celtics heat raptors blazers nuggets. Any of these teams can win. I'm biased I want the Lakers to win but anyone can win as of today. Theres no clear favorite. Just biased opinions. Well.know come all star weekend maybe...
Same way he cried when Max told him and his hype man Jay Williams how the finals would go and where Kyrie and KD would end up. Jay Williams punk ass arguing for the sake of arguing knowing it wasn't 95% that KD was going to Knicks.
@@rebbur1tew1 lol you just put jay will in a casket lol
Mike had Lola bunny , tweety bird , bugz Scottie pippen, Dennis Rodman
Nice!
🤣
Lol
Micheal team was built except for Rodman he never called anybody like those other guys !!
Your delusional if you think players didn't recruit all the way back to the 60s, super teams are nothing new. 70s Lakers and Celtics were super teams
@@bighorse215 you lost ya mind or under 30 to believe this.. back then they were loyal to teams or was waived... 2 ) those players on Celtics and Lakers were draft pics or claimed off waivers!!! Problem nowadays is GMs can't see talent if it hot them in the face!!! Jerry West is the same person who drafted Kobe, Magic, Worthy, Scott, signed Shaq off free agency, drafted Elden Campbell, Cooper and now pulled a deal to get The Klaw and PG!!!! Kerry West can spot talent... Mitch Kupchik CAN'T!!!!
@@cuttycochise5598 look up Kareem's career he was recruited to the lakers, yeah teams had the end call but nobody wanted somebody that didn't want to be there. That's why Toronto was looked at crazy last year. Y'all can believe that MJ bs just like the flu game was really the flu game.
@@bighorse215 you're young aren't you? Did you know during the nba finals Gary Payton played with a torn calf muscle. My point bring.. players then were MEN.... nowadays these players won't play even if they had a sprained ANKLE... I'm done..
@@bighorse215 real
kukoc getting constanly disrespected.
All time fav bull facts right here
KuKoc was good not a All Star doe
No defense Kukoc was in Phil Jacksons dog house most of the time
Glo'ed Up except when Phil Jackson draw up a game winning play for Kukoc
loco mixer i was saying the same thing
I don't like the GSW, but the only shady move the franchise ever did was to sign Durant. Curry was drafted (and ignored by many other teams), the same with Thompson, and don't even get me started with Green on the second round. Too fucking bad other teams can't scout. How many teams can boast about 3 starters being home grown?
San Antonio Spurs Duncan being mentored with Robinson, Ginoboli being a huge steal and nearly being drafted 59th or 58th overall, and Parker.
Regj921 so I guess San Antonio was a Superteam too.ijs
This should be the goal of every organization. Grow and Develop your players.
I believe the 'superteam' term used is about superstars coming together. That means drafted developed talents dont count. So yes gsw didnt qualify as one until they got KD.
Wouldn't call signing the best player available "Shady" he was available, and they wanted him. Wouldn't even call it weak or "shady" on Durant part
Caulkkain365 exactly, only thing I'd call it is smart on both sides lol
The point that missed is that MJ was saying that they make super teams through free agency not through the draft and that is what MJ was saying!!!
You're TOTALLY correct!
Yup. Its 100 percent true. They had to draft and developed the hell out of the bulls in order to dethrone the pistons. Godamn Jordan played like 5 years with crap.
@william manket yes MJ had to wait for stars to be drafted and developed. 1984-1991 iirc were all non championship seasons playing with mostly old schoolers from the late 70s early 80s.
Thank you
Golden State drafted Klay,steph & Draymond and that won a title
Grant was an all star 1994 ( jordan was retired). And the 2nd 3 peat rodman was 34 , jordan 33, pip 31.
What's that got to do with anything? How old is LeBron since you know everyone's age?
Charles Davis Bron living rent free in your head lmao
Golden state won 73 game and add Kevin Durant, Imagine if 72 win bulls add Hakim Olajuwon on their team
white chocolate the warriors lost like 5 players. So they didn't just "add" him. They lost their center, small forward, and several key bench players
TheCephalon they didn't lose any starters and added the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NBA to their starting 5.. white chocolate is dead right.... if the bulls added Hakiem, they'd still be winning today... p.s. LeBron nor K.D would beat K.Lenord 1 on 1 so yes 2nd and 3rd best respectively
TheCephalon
EXAAAACTLY.
Or imagine the Bulls got a young Shaq. Yeah, ok, that's fair.
Russell Stuff-her What? Warriors did lose starters... they lost Barnes and Bogut... two starters...
white chocolate Just stop it. You have Steph curry(top pg in history, The best point guard in the league and best shooter of all time), Kevin Durant(top sf in history, The second best small forward in the league, a seven footer with handles, range and plays like a guard), Klay Thompson(The third best shooting guard guard in the league, second best shooter in the league, top 10 best shooter of all time), draymond Green(Second best power forward in the league, defensive player of the year). Better bench(young, Iggy, McGee)[4 all stars, 1 mvp and 1 back to back mvp/first unanimous MVP, 73 win team, 15-1 in post season and has the best offensive and defensive efficiency rating in the league].This not even me dickriding, there clearly the best team in history and are undefeatable, bulls don’t stand a chance.
SAS is always fired up about something
1wayq lol right. Read the title like damn what a surprise
1wayq because he has a passion for sports that's why
1wayq hes fake ass fuck i saw through him with the kyrie interview
..pity it's all hot air and hollering, though
+OKC thunder fan since 9/23/17 2018 champs thunder suck
Ho grant was decent.... He felt like a superstar to us because of the goggles and nba jam
“Just stop!! You’re embarrassing yourself” 😂😂😂
He ain’t lying!!!!! It’s true! When he says “super team” he means franchise players playing together. I’m with Stephen A on this. Max you tripping!
Hearing Stephen A. tell Kellerman "You're embarrassing yourself" is long overdue.
Please!!! The only super team Jordan was ever on was the 92 Dream Team!!!
Jose Dejesus
No. Pippen, Jordan, and Grant were all all-stars.
@@thamir21 Grant made to all-star only once in his career, and that was when MJ was playing baseball.
@@benboga1928 That doesn't change that he was an all-star. Grant was also an all-defensive player for many years. And if that happened with Westbrook or Lebron instead of MJ, people would try to blame them for holding Grant back.
Jose Dejesus facts
@@thamir21 again, horace grant was an all-star when MJ was no longer playing for Bulls, so your superteam argument is invalid. and btw westbrook had Ibaka, a 3x all defensive 1st team.
Max K is wrong ; MJ was not on a super team...a super team would have been Magic, Barkley and MJ
Jonathan Terrell Groves damn right or getting Malone and Shawn Kemp to come join him 💯💯💯🤣🤣🤣
That's what I'm saying. Every main guy on LeBron's super teams were franchise player. Rodman was a defensive specialist, that's it. One of the best role players but I'd rather have another franchise player any day. So while the other team is resting their franchise player you have 2 that are fresh.
Tom Anderson you stupid
Mike Jordan had how many NBA top 50 players on the same team? MJ had players who dominated their positions. I would take Pippen and Grant over Wade and Bosh. I'll take them over Kyrie and Love. Jordan couldn't win without a super team. Neither could Magic, or Bird
Or MJ, Pippen, Hakeem or Shaq.
Grant and Pippen were drafted by the Bulls. Rodman came to the Bulls cause there was no team that wanted to deal with his behavior.
Cassidy Sundance Exactly. People seem to forget that. Anything to discredit Jordan legacy.
Cassidy Sundance if that was true then why would they trade for him?It was because they needed him.Without Rodman,the bulls would not have won.
jacksonrob08 Rodman was a free agent. People forget he was a problem in the NBA. He lead the league in Technical fouls and always got suspended for his bad behavior with the Spurs.
Cassidy Sundance but still without Rodman there would be no rings and someone on the Bulls realized that.
shout out WORM!! for you young head's that's dennis rodman's nick name. guy would have 20+ boards, could pass, be an excellent glue guy, and shut down the other teams, best player,every single night! Worm was raw as shit..
MJ was not in any superteam. Dennis Rodman was a rebounder, not a scorer. Toni Kukoc was not an All Star either was Rodman. They had a really good team and their players played their role.
Jaime Rivera how can you be in the hall of fame but not be a star in the nba please tell me 🤔🤔
Jaime Rivera tell me how you win 6 championships in 8 years but you aren't a super team....
Jaime Rivera the Larry Bird Celtics had 6 all stars and Maxwell was a finals Mvp.Do they count or is Bird a p (**st in your opinion?
Jaime Rivera and Dennis Rodman was winning Defensive Player of the year and rings with the pistons.You must really be a Jordan can for real.
Mr. Big Dick drazen petrovich is an all star....
How many HOFs has LBJ played with??
He had me laughing@ "stop it you embarrassing yourself " 😂😂😂
Grant, Kerr, Kukoc, bj Armstrong were not Allstars.... They were Role players, Rodman was a Role Player... Mj got Pippen as a Rookie, Pippen game grew for him to become an Allstar Player.... Stop it! Bulls did not grab Barkley or Hakeem, Jordan was the team
Exactly Rodman was already 35 when he signed. It's not like the bulls signed another mvp.
MJ's 1st championship team only had one all-star, him. Not one other player on team got one. Pippen didn't become an all-star till the next season. Steven A is right.
Pippen was an all star in 1990 before the 3peat.
Did you already forgot Pippen bodying up and shutting down Magic? Jordan was getting a little exposed, Pippen switched on Magic and the Bulls murdered the Lakers from that point on. If that's not a defensive star, then idk what bball means to you.
jaymick31 And Jordan never called Ewing, Magic or somebody else to beat the Bad Boys. He come back every year and beat them. Lebron do just the opposite thing and after one lose against Boston he go for help in Miami with one HoF and one all-star player. And where Jordan getting exposed in 1991 finals? He was 31 ppg, 11 rpg, 6 apg. and 3 spg... I mean what you want?
Michael Jordan was guarding magic most of the time. Pippen guarded him and very well I️ might add and people remember that but Jordan had magic most of the time.
jaymick31 Pippen became an all star in 90 but I get you Bill Cartwright was old and BJ Armstrong i think was an All Star but he was no Kyrie, Kevin Love, or D Wade
The bulls and MJ BECAME a great team TOGETHER....they didn’t put a bunch of stars together to win
Noel Perez Same result plus theres no rule about signing good players
So did Warriors?
Dumb ass nigga so did the warriors . Research before you type dumb shit
the warriors did the same thing
Rob K. Not before he won 3 rings, he didn't ring chase like durant bitch ass.
"we listened to you just stop it you're embarrassing yourself" 😂😂😂😂😂
Max Kellerman is disqualified for his ridiculous statement saying that Mike always had a super teams smh! 🤦🏿♂️
kurtangle1244 how many all nba players he played with from 91-98
Daniel Hill Trey Newawlins the greatest perimeter defender of all time (Scottie). Grant (first team all defense) with Phil Jackson. That’s a fucking superteam. Then you add Rodman. Who was top 10 in MVP voting in 1996. Gtfo Jordan had the most help. Who were any other wings better than Scottie pippen??? Then you add Jordan on top of that. With Phil Jackson. AND FOR 10 years that core together. Imagine if LeBron and Anthony Davis played for 10 years in their prime. With Greg pop as head coach. For 10 years. Jesus 6-8 rings no question.
Devante Carter I know he’s played with players totaling in 11 all nba defensive first teams.
Zac Rubal how many of them were franchise players
Devante Carter defense wins championships. Coaching. Coaching helps. Idk if anybody realizes that. The greatest coach. And they had at all time 3 players on all defensive teams. Then you have 2 of the best wings in the league on the same team. And a perfect system. Play defense. And let Jordan and Scottie score. Pretty simple.
" No internet during Jordan's Time period. I feel respect went further back then. Sports & Fans were in synchronization. Sorry, the 80's & 90's which forever be legend. 🔥 "
Note : Kids still wearing his sneakers going into the new 2020's decade. Nuff said ........
I get what you're saying but they aren't wearing his shoes because of him. I promise you that.
@@boejar Actually we are
@@georgioskarampampas480 I work with kids and ask them why. They don't tell me because of Jordan. It's the hype. They could care less that he wore them. They just care about the status part of it. Maybe a small small percentage such as yourself wears it because of him but the rest are all about trying to be cool.
Golden state wins championship then kevin durant goes to golden state. Michael jordan got eliminated by the pistons so he took on the challenge. He did not join forces with magic johnson, larry bird or with the pistons
Bien Pena h
Bien Pena y
The Pistons got old and fell apart while Jordan and Pippen reached their prime and beat up an old geriatric Lakers team.
He got rodman tho
Why would Bird or Magic care about Jordan? Magic was going to the finals ever year, they didn't need Jordan. Same with Bird. Those teams were stacked with hall of famers..
Stephen A is the type of guy to take an opposing side of the argument even if he doesn’t agree with it for attention.
Ali AlMahroos But he wasn’t wrong in this case
Facts
and you're the type of person who doesnt have a clue bout facts when u hear it. Also, i've seen Stephen A agreeing to alot of ppl, so where's ur evidence?
zescapegoat I didn’t say Max was right , but it’s clear to see that these “debates” are forced as hell.
@@alialmahroos5736 its all a ruse to protect the Jordan brand. If michael wasnt qorth billions he wouldnt be hyped the way he is. Its ashame lot of other great players who accomplished way more or was far superior phtsically dont get the same love.
A super team would have been if Jordan and Pippin would have recruited Barkley in his prime.
Or Isaiah Thomas it would've been nasty
No, a super team was MJ and Pippen and Grant and Rodman and Kerr and TK. He was on a fucking super team half of his career.
Wrong... the second 3 peat was a Super Team. Rodman, Jordan, Pippen, and Harper who was one of the top starting guards at that time. And, Rodman was the leading rebounder in the NBA.
@@doc8013 half of his career? Won 3 titles with Harper and Rodman than retired. So he played 3 years out of what 18?
1991 -92 NBA MVP finalists were
1. Michael Jordan
2. Clyde Drexler
3. David Robinson
4. Karl Malone
5. Patrick Ewing
Scottie Pippen was 9th.
Now imagine if Jordan after defeating the Portland Trailblazers acquired the likes of the number 2 MVP finalist Clyde Drexler the following year?
That is the definition of a Superteam.
Miami Heat and the Warriors did just that. Bulls were a hell of a team and the best player in the world in MJ.
Warrors has 3-4 players can get a max contract at any team.
Bulls has 1.
Warriors big 4 are all at their prime.
MJ, Pipen, Rodmen are all OVER 30.
(The last Bulls champion season, they are 34, 31, 36 years old respectively)
To Lo doesnt matter. Pippen is a top 25 player of all time, Rodman was a top 3 rebounder and top 10 defender, Kerr hit clutch shots, Grant was an All Star. He had plenty of help
Grant was an allstar 1 time and that was in 94. The last of the first 3 bulls championships. Basically the bulls had jordan, pippen and a bunch of role players. They just all knew where they belonged. Lebron can't win with a least 2 other all stars, and he still cries that he needs more help
Annnddd.... They drafted every player besides KD..
To Lo Draymond green ain't getting no max contract😂😂😂
Ball4Life-If Millsap is getting 30 million dollars a year than a walking Triple-Double like Draymond would definitely get a max contract.
ppl have a hard time to understand a team is form and get to be a great team or a super team (Bulls on MJ era) , a team been formed with all stars to me is a super team ,is what Lebron did and others start to follow the idea , MJ he got in a team where they grow and turn to be one of the most Success team in NBA , why is so hard to understand
Lucky Luciano so like Golden State
Theman but they added KD
Look at the Warriors roster and how many of their stars were drafted. Until Durant, they went to two Finals in a row, won 73 games, and drafted all of their star players.
AR 47 but they won the 1st championship without kd
AA Baller it’s a fucking super team tho
I have to agree with Stephen A Smith on his comment. But when you look at the Chicago 2nd 3peat, Yeah they had MJ, Pippen, and Rodman. Lets not forget that the 80's Lakers had their 3 of Magic, Jabbar, and James Worthy. 80's Celtics had Larry Bird, Kevin Mchale, and Dennis Johnson. 80's Pistons had Isaih Thomas, Joe Dumars, and Bill Lambieer and by the way Dennis Rodman was developing role player turning into a superstar. My point is this if you look at the championship teams in the NBA all of them had their big three with supporting players to be a contender. Years down the road are we going to say the Toronto Raptors of 2019 was a super team??? LMBO!!!😂😂😂. I just have to agree with Stephen A on this one.
I believe the difference with the 80's teams were that those players were mostly drafted to those teams or traded to those teams. Free agency started in the early 90's.
Mike just mad cuz ain't nobody trying to come play in Charlotte. He wouldn't be saying that if everybody wanted to go to Charlotte.
Kumaras P lol so true
Amanda Francis mj doesn’t care if hornets win lol you’re right about that.
Grant wasn't a star, I agree, but he did make the All-Star team once, along with getting all defensive 2nd team honors 4 times, which isn't something easily accomplished, and during that championship bulls team first 3-peat, Grant's performances were at it's peak, averaging a double double, at the time.
maxXpotential wasn't a all star but probably the best role player in the league like iggy lol. Lowkey he's a Allstar but he's a 6th man on the warriors
Cartwright made one too along with bj
Theman During the Bulls 3peat Jordan and Pippen were the only all stars.. Grant wasn't an all star until 94 which was after the 3peat.. Grant was an all an star caliber player on the Orlando Magic
Jordan built up players to be great and won rings with them. Lebron brings in or joins players that are already great in an attempt to get easy rings. That's the biggest difference. Those teams weren't built as "superteams" like the ones these days. They were developed into great teams over time.
maxXpotential he was with Orlando by then
"MJ, Pippen, *Horace Grant* . That's a superteam."
Max, you're embarrassing your fans & supporters, bro. Tell ESPN to burn the tapes.
LMAO
Will Levy the nba is full of shooters
MaxPro. Not a super team
MaxPro at that time yes, drexler, barkley, and magic has no enough help, imagine pippen with any of those 3
Ok
agreed with stepen A. here. MJ, Pippen, and Rodman don't equal the kind of super teams that are being assembled these days. the Bulls drafted pip and kukoc. they went out and got rodman. no one else on those teams were even remotely dominant players. Harper was great in cleveland, but never was the same after his knee injury. the best players in the league back then wanted to beat each other. drexler was in the end of his career with houston.
today's best players are teaming up at the peak of their careers. MJ is right
same thing with mj happened with the warriors they drafted great players then picked up aa great player. mike had dennis warriors got kd
Jahya Dooley did you just compare KD to Rodman wow, I’m done with you new mfs...
Durant will clearly go down as one of the top players of all time.
@@jld_2goated_70 so this means you would take rodman over kd right?
MJ would have never gone to the Lakers or Celtics to get a ring, he wanted to beat the best so your argument is invalid lol
Danny Lopez Didn’t need to, he had an amazing team along with the greatest coach of all time
@@jonathanmack6285 Phil Jackson is not the greatest coach of all time
@@ricklozano50 is he not one of the top 3? I mean 11 chips? A ton of talent, granted, but "the triangle" his staff came up with changed up the Bulls whole system, for the better, needless to say...
@@jonathanmack6285 He had an amazing team??? He was drafted by the team with the second worst record in the NBA! And it took them 7 years to form and develop a good enough team to win!
@@dwayneturner9395 red Auerbach 11 titles in 13 years
Bulls drafted:
Jordan
Pippen
Toni Kukoc
Free Agent signing
Dennis Rodman
The Warriors did the same as the Bulls except the Bulls didnt acquire the 2nd best player in the league. They got maybe the 40th best player in the league in Dennis Rodman. Dennis wasn't going to take over a game. Calling this Bulls team a super team is ridiculous.
@Greg Hubbard top 15 in NBA history? Baaaahahahahahah you dumbass troll
Bulls got arguably one of the greatest defensive player of all time
THANK YOU
you are talking about the 96 to 98 bulls right.
how about the 91 to 93 bulls they dont have kukoc rodman kerr harper and yet won three championships on that draft.
care to have an argument on that one?
Dennis rodman was the reason they got their 2nd 3peat.
So Rodman passed his prime at age 35-36-37 was a superteam? That wasn't the Pistons Rodman. He wasn't even close to an MVP like Durant joining the Warriors.
Achilles MJ Rodman was still leading the league in rebounds during his Chicago years
Achilles MJ also, he tied the record for rebounds in a finals series twice in 96 and was very much a factor that won that series as Jordan was held to historically bad numbers by Seattle.
I beg to differ, although rodman didn't put many points up, he was a monster in the boards creating several second chance shots for mj. He also was a def beast, getting in players head and just disrupting their play all together
Max kelerman stick to boxing..Stephen a is spot on....
Stephen A you full of shit about Horace Grant. Stephen A must have forgot how Horace Grant bust the Bulls ass in 95 and went to the finals. Jordan was on super teams because he kept getting his ass busted by the Celtics and Pistons
@@jessepetite24 Horace grant was not a superstar wtf cant yall understand about that...good players and superstars are 2 different things
Stephen A is DEAD ON CORRECT!!! THAT WASN'T A SUPERTEAM!!!!!!
No max is right Jordan played on superteams in the 90s that’s why he went 6-0
Rodman didn't score when Mike got him , Grant was a defensive player who made a couple role play buckets jordan only had pippen 🤷🏾♂️all them people y'all named are regular role players
Big facts! 💯💪🏾
THANK YOU!!!
Big Big Facts
william manket Bulls are a super team Rodman still counts as a star
The reason that Jordan’s comments were stupid and weak is because he’s an owner, not because of his bulls teams. An owner shouldn’t be crying about stuff like this. He’s butt Burt that his team sucks and everybody else gets good players
Muhammad Ali was one of a kind
Chris Carson true but this is a hoops convi bro
Mike tyson
The giant Troll Mike tyson has a bad record against hall of famers.
Crippled Inside Ali was the best. Fool. He wasn't racist dummy. You see why he threw the medal in the river. He was treated like shit from white people
He said TEAM SPORTS
Golden State has 2 of the 3 most recent League MVPs. 4 Starting All Star players. Nuff said
3 of those 4 All Stars were DRAFTED by the GSW, ENOUGH SAID. (Oh and none of them were lottery picks).
steph curry was a lottery pick fool
Evan Samdahl Nearly 5 with zazas bitch ass
You cant nag and cry that golden state has 4 all stars starting , they drafted 3 of them. Be mad that your team management dont know how to recognize talent and draft good players. Im a Laker Fan and lakers have drafted pure bums including lonzo
Drafting players who show potential and then becoming a great team is not the same as building a super team. Curry’s scout reports said he’d be nothing more than an Average player in the nba because of his height and lack of athleticism...
Dennis Rodman was a fearless defender/rebounder but not a superstar. That 2nd 3 peat team of MJ's was damn good but not a superteam
Kellerman is a moron... creating super teams is one thing... home growing a team is another. The Bulls had to develop their team.. they didn't go outright and BUY STARS.
Rodmen was beating on the bulls long before he joined them
@@swish1onu there is a salary cap, nobody can buy teams stupid
@@swish1onu ? Sure the bulls didnt "buy stars" but I bet MJ wanted them lol oh but god for bid if lebron wants to play with his best friend lol like wtf? What's the difference between mj growing the team & lebron playing with his best friend, yall literally haters 🤣😂😂 & that wasnt a superteam at all lol Bosh? Are you kidding me? 😂 yea did he shoot good sometimes & play defense, yes, did he get boards? Yes, the important board, yes. That's cause HE'S TALL!! lmao theres nothing special about that? 😂 if it was LeBron, Kawhi & A.D, that's a superteam, why? A.D is WAYYYYY better then Bosh lol if it was LeBron, Dwade or A.D or Kawhi, superteam lol but Bosh? 😂 even dwade was hurt 90% of the time so please lol that's a great team if anything, not a superteam
The 90s were full of teams with 2 or 3 all stars built they weren't created like these teams are with all the ship jumping. Teams wanted to beat the competition not join them
The Bulls were not a super team they drafted and developed Jordan Pippen and Grant surrounded them with solid role players and won 3 rings. They then came back and won more championships adding Rodman who's only jobs were rebound and defend they had big name players but they were not a dream team. Hell the showtime Lakers as good as they were would not be considered a super team they were built from the bottom up, that is the difference. The Lebron heat and Lakers are guys all saying hey let's get together be unbeatable and win a championship you're great I'm great let's all be great on the same team and we will roll over everyone its bush league and its weak and for players as great great as Lebron and KD it's sad and its weakens the legacy of what could have been
D Mac they was the only team other then the pistons in there prime Barkley was by himself giving the bulls a series
The 96 bulls where a Superteam tho
Those bulls were not super teams they had their liabilities with their greatness unlike gsw
Those bulls teams worked hard and played their asses off. They played great defense to cover up any offensive liabilities.
Man the bulls were so good when jordan left they still made the conference finals lol
You're misinformed. They lost in the Second round.
Matthew McCrary they left and went 55-27. LeBron leaves and Cavs go 19-63 lol
Obviously you were not born yet if you thought the bulls made it to the conference finals with out Jordan. It was actually the pacers and the Knicks
Yeah that's because they had Pete Myers to carry them!!!
The Bulls went 55-27 without Jordan, but they also added two shooters in Kukoc and Kerr after MJ retired. So, although the Bulls lost Jordan, their bench got considerably better than it had been during the Bulls first Three-peat. As a rookie, Kukoc made the All-NBA Second Team coming off the bench, and Kerr had statistically his best overall season in 93/94. With Kerr and Kukoc helping to spread the floor, Pippen and Grant shot a higher FG% than they did the previous season when the Bulls won the Championship.
Bulls were not a super team. Super team means at least three superstars who could all score at will. Dennis Rodman was only defense and rebounding.
And who told u that was the definition of superteam
jo no every team labeled as a “super team” by the sports media......lol. Is that a good enough answer sir?
@@Ravenlife-dm7hy if so the 73-9 warriors and the 72-10 bulls are not super teams according to your dumb "definition"
Ron Harper was Star in the Nba. He led Cleveland every year in scoring. Jordan, Pip, Rodman, Harper, Kukoc. Harper was so good, when Phil went to La he had Harper in tow.
None of those were All Stars
@@creolecajun9988 none of who were allstars? Jordan ? Pip? Rodman? they are HOF's.
Seeing how I am a 40 year old NBA fan, I Have a right to comment on this. First of all, PIPPEN WAS DRAFTED! AND WAS A QUITTER AT FIRST (migraine bullshit)! He became a superstar PLAYING WITH JORDAN! HE WAS NOT A SUPERSTAR BEFORE JORDAN! Big difference!!!! Get that through your heads people.
Doesnt matter if hes drafted or not he still a superstar, you not about to say he developed like that because of mj right??
Yonis Ali of fucking course dey could are you fucking insane??
what did Kyrie win before LeBron came back? except more lottery picks.
Did I hear that correctly? Horace Grant a Star?......that's just blasphemous Max
H P. No he said allstar player
stop, mike was never on a super team. A great 3 and a specialized 4 doesn't make a super team. the rest of those players never did much of anything in the league. scottie played great while mike was playing baseball, but was riding on the momentum mj created. the bulls were a super team because of mike, don't kid yourselves. 5 all-stars starting for the warriors? good for them, but that's called stacking your team, and they'd still have a hard time beating MJ's Bulls..
MJ scored 63 in the playoffs against Bird's celtics while they were still great, and mike had zero help. he's a killer, that's all there is to it.
Say it again, I applaud what Steph did last night, but if it was the 80s ain't no way he'd be getting a third chip, however he might, because Pistons banged Jordan up so much that he went in the gym toned up and got hella better, Don't get me wrong he was already dangerous but stronger and mad dangerous
Danny Banks Horace grants playoff numbers are identical to Chris Bosh and in-fact was a more efficient scorer and better rebounder. And a better defender. Literally the stats and all nab team selections support it. So if Miami was a super team, so was Chicago.
they had okc as a superteam and it seems pretty similar to mj teams two all stars and another great player
@@smmsmiley2125 facts
Danny Banks but that’s the same can be said about all super teams without the main star there a good team but not super star
I still think that the second three-peat was not a super team. Rodman was a great rebounder and defensive player, but he was onlylimited to that by the time he has in Chicago. On the other hand Horace Grant was not as good as Rodman defensively, still great though, but had pretty awesome offensive skills to compensate. So it seems that the change from Grant to Rodman had the same dividends.
They weren’t a super team, but are considered that way because the work ethic of one guy, which elevated the other guys. The difference between the 1994-1995 Jordan to the 1995-1996 Jordan was amazing!!! He worked very hard to get back in shape, whilst doing a movie, and pummeled the competition with the rest of the Bulls. Not a super team, just a great leader inspiring others to greater heights.
It doesn't matter if Jordan is an owner or if he played on a superteam, he's right. The NBAs biggest problem is how top heavy it is.
MrQ000000 Exactly.
It's even worse now, because it was somewhat of a 3 to 4 team race with the Warriors, Spurs, and Cavs. The Warriors go out and get KD and now the scales are tipped entirely in their favor. To where no one else can compete.
You're right, but when someone like SAS tries to claim that Max is wrong it becomes annoying
I agree. Look at MLB of NCAAB playoffs. They pull so much viewership because of the uncertainty and the "anything can happen" idea. The NBA is far too predictable and top-heavy that most people just truly don't care about playoff games because they know what will happen. Everyone and their cousin knew it was gonna be the Cavs vs Warriors last year and it just makes for boring playoffs.
MrQ000000 he's wrong. He said the rockets and the thunder are garbage. Not even close
a superteam would be Jordan and bird and magic on the same team Jordan knows what he talking about. rodman was a role player for defensive purpose he couldn't shoot clown. if you put bird and Jordan on the same team that's two known superstar who ran they teams.
Manuel Shaul Rodman is a hall of fame ,with Rodman the bulls became a supper team
Manuel Shaul fax
Yonis Ali jordan only been to 6 finals winning them all. How did he lose 8 finals? Lmfao.
Still better than the Cavs
give me five! exactly!
This stuff has turned into a soap opera. They're clearly reading from a script.
Horace grant was an all star and an NBA semi-star. So....I kind of agree with both.
Those Bulls teams weren't super teams lol
The bulls weren’t a super team they were damn good and built right with so many reliable role players. But in all honesty super teams are ruining basketball
The Chicago Bulls went 55-27 the year MJ retired the first time, and that's with Scottie Pippen missing the first 10 out of 12 games due to an ankle injury. They were one game away from the Finals...
Also, because Jordan left, they were able to shield another player from the expansion draft. Jordan came back for the second 3-peat and the league was even weaker than it is now. "Big Country" Bryant Reeves and Doug Christie were "superstars..."
The bulls was a superteam
Vbkdkf Kfkfkfn A super team is consisted of superstars leaving it joining one team. Did they happen right away? The Bulls won three straight titles before Rodman even showed up in Chicago.
the warriors had one before KD showed up?
I agree shane
For me there will always be a difference between a guy remaining loyal to one team and building the team into a superteam...nothing wrong with that. That compared to buddy-ing up with other superstars and all going to one team to form a superteam
Max acting like he's a know it all guy. And failed miserably.
MJ, your resume includes drafting guys like Kwame Brown, Adam Morrison, Frank Kamisky and other bums I can't remember
kk Frank Kaminsky isn't a bum and he has also drafted Kemba Walker, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and possibly the best scorer in the last draft Malik Monk
kk Kidd ghilcrist however you spell that bust name😂😂😂
he also said biyombo could be the next Hakeem
Sean May😂😂😂
He also drafted that trash ass nigga emeka okafor didn't he ? And btw MKG trash
MJ was in the second most stacked regular season team of all time. You were in a super team.
Yep. The Bulls were a 55 win team that took a loaded Knicks to game 7 without Jordan, Ron Harper and Dennis Rodman.
Kukoc and Ron Harper were scorers.
I can name like 5 teams playing today who are more stacked than any of the Jordan teams. 2 all stars and a bunch of ok role players does not make a super team.
Max!!! I'm a big fan of you and I always protect you against by buddies comments... But today you are on your own brother, you are way WRONG!!!! YOU LET ME DOWN FOR SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. But I still have mad respect for you.
max speaks the truth.
@@LilBrujoFH18 if you think that what he said about the bulls being a superteam then you clearly know nothing about basketball.
@@jamelgallagher6602 u are right. pipen was garbage. d.r was garbage too. mj carried a garbage team to the finals solo....oh no wait that was LeBron james
He went to the Commissioner and begged for A.I's dribble to be banned!
Cried to the commissioner to not bring the double team back also. 🤷🏾♂️
Bs on both 🤣
Actually it was John Stockton was the one who went to the commissioner not Jordan get it right.
Not a Jordan fan but that was NOT a "super team"😔 Horace Grant🤯😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Warrior for Christ ATL google Horace grant
Warrior for Christ ATL Amen 🙏🏿 warrior for Christ
When he added robman they were
Warrior for Christ ATL lol and zaza and bogut were better than grant 😂😂
Warrior for Christ ATL If you compare the Bulls to the rest of the league back then they were a SUPER TEAM
Being from Chicago and seeing those actual games from the late 80s into their last season in 98, I'm 100% with Steven A! Michael put in the work 7yrs before ever winning a ring, and during that period from 91-93 the word super team doesn't exist in that category. And fact that the Bulls made it to the playoffs passed the first round without Jordan said a lot. It was the chemistry not a super team.
Agreed. People need to understand this.
There a differences, when Mike retired after there 3rd championship, he left that bulls team in a good place. His first 7 years in the league he was the bulls team period
the chemistry lol yea ok wining 72 games isnt a superteam
@@rasenganb41vtxhe was talkin about the bulls from 91-93 the bulls got the 72 wins in 96
Max is dead right.. Jordan needs to build a team.. don’t cry about it
Dumbest thing I've read on here .. what team did he built thru free agency? ?? Which superstar came to play? Was it the dream ? Barkley? Magic ? Bird ? Stop being stupid bulls was no super team
Jordan = Goat = 666
6 Finals appearance
6 Rings
6 Finals MVP
johmar ydia bill Russell is the real goat 11 rings and played 13 seasons
666 i knew he was the devil
You might be on to something. Kids sell their souls for his shoes all the time. Basically a sacrifice when they kill for them
Baphomet !
Deep
Blame KD buddy he had the chance to beat curry and have a chance to beat LeBron 2016...the farthest a superteam ever went was a BIG 3 now a BIG 4?? lol.
Stfu
Sam M more like big 5. Iggy is/was a superstar in Phili and was 6th man of the year with golden state
Man if you don’t stfu
Yup 💯 right bruh
wrong heat got more than 3. and Cleveland got more than 3.
I’m in North Carolina and I’m sad hearing about how we will never have a super team that can compete for a championship :(
me to
1991 and 1998 teams had one all-star on the Bulls. Where is this superteam?
Horace Grant definitely was not a star.
Horace Grant will never be a Hall of Famer unlike Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie, Love, A.D.
@@fredlopez-rivera6106 And Shaq, possibly Kawhi, maybe even Rondo one day. 🤷♂️
Max lost all credibility when he suggest Grant was a star. Horace Grant only made 1 all star team and that was after MJ retired to go play baseball. Grant was a solid role player, that's about it.
@@donjohnson8120 I didn't even know he made 1 all star appearance. 🤷♂️
@ray mon So was Jamal Magloire one season. And? 😂🤷🏽♂️
Max should be BANNED from talking basketball
Warrior for Christ ATL EXACTLY!!!!!
No
Warrior for Christ ATL couldn't agree more..
For what speaking the truth?
Bulls record without Jordan??....56 wons
Still arguing about MJ 20 years later smh
I agree with Stephen A Smith, key word - DEVELOP. Most teams do no not want to put in the time to let their athletes evolve, do their job, and let the coaches COACH!
Mj was never on a super team it was him and scottie and a lot role players
Superteam formed in Boston. Miami forms super team. Golden State forms ultimate super team. League sucks now.
90s basketball was the shit. 1 or 2 stars per competitve team.
The 90s basketball was the best basketball. How was it shit? There were more stars. They were spread out to almost every team in the league while now more than half the teams dont have a star. Instead today you can pencil in who is making the playoffs. What's great about the same teams which 90 perfect of the best players being in the final 4 every year?
@@keithglass4891
You need to read his comment again my man, he was praising the 90s.
@@joeymungoi9290 and so he was, missed the "the" my bad.
At least somebody knows that Boston created the first super team and not LeBron in Miami
@@keithglass4891 people fail to realize that the more spread out the stars are....the more watered down the teams are...
Why does this guy look like Eddie from That’s so Raven
Christian Brinez face ass 😭😭😭😭😭
I was a Bulls fan since MJ joined them in 84' the Bulls was not a Super Team they just had Super man and Pippen and role players...Rodman was an amazing rebounder and defender
What super team he was on 92' dream team that's all!!! MAX YOU REALLY ARE SMOKING SOMETHING!!! THEY BUILD EVERYTHING FROM THA BOTTOM TO THE TOP, STICK TO BOXING!!!
GSW is better as a team?
@@michaeldesanta7746 With KD yes
thank u Steven A smith from cutting off max!!
Michael Jordan's super team my ass...
The bench players are sucks except kukoc & kerr.
Curry's GS roster is much better than Jordan's 6 rings team.
and Yes, MJ is the GOAT...
Enthusias Watcher KUKOC was a dud...foh
Enthusias Watcher #Facts
What about Lebrons Miami?
Please learn basketball before saying idiot comments
Enthusias Watcher shit even just the mail man and stockon could take teams down now
😂 everytime they start talking about Jordan you know an argument is brewing 😂😂😂
Lol had to come back one time for this 😂😂😂Stephen a is comical and animated 💀
MJ left the bulls and they won 55 games the season after and did not go to the finals because they go robbed against the knicks.
LeBron leaves a team they go str8 into the draft, lol
Claudio Gomes Jordan left a 3peat team that kept its entire core and added the best euro prospect in kukoc and added a specialist in Kerr to deepen their bench. They went from 3peating to losing in the 2nd round, that is a big drop off...when lebron left in 2010 it was lebron, shaq, big Z, delonte west, mo Williams who all left in addition to Jamison being injured and missing 30 games and varejao hurting his foot and being out the season...that is pretty much all their rotation players. The 2011 cavs were a completely different team so don't make it seem like it was just lebron who left and the team collapsed. After MJ retired in 98, bulls went from 3peating to being one of the worst teams but let me guess you will be quick to point out that it just wasn't MJ who left lol
Kevin Flowers facts
Kevin Flowers
Exactly. Not to mention the fact that when LeBron left for Miami, the Cavs also fired Coach Mike Brown and his coaching staff, and brought in Byron Scott to coach a whole new system with what was left of that team. These LeBron fanboys have been using this argument for years and still haven't learned the flaw in it. It's apples to oranges in comparison to the 94 Bulls.
Kevin Flowers they got robbed.. 100% would've 4 peated
Dirty Weeb
How did they get robbed??? The call on Scottie was certainly questionable considering the way the game was back then, but that call came in game 5, and the series went 7 games...so you really gonna say that one call in game 5 robbed them? And sorry, but no way was that Bulls team winning the championship in 94 without MJ. Even if they got passed the Pacers in the ECF, they would not have beaten the Rockets in the Finals without MJ.
MJ played with specialty players not stars Pippen was the only star in Chicago along with Mike and Mike made Pippen just stating facts
Nicholas Smith mike did not make Scottie Pippin god you Michael Jordan fans are SO fucking ridiculous. You are literally giving Michael Jordan all the credit for Scottie Pippins career. It wasn't Scottie Pippin putting the work in day in day out for years. It was Michael Jordan???
Nicholas Smith rodman , Stockton, the best coach in the NBA at the time ?
Nicholas Smith what do you think first ballet hof is.Because Dennis is one reguardless of how you try to discredit him.I bet that his peers probably would vote him a s the greatest defensive player in history.
Oh that's not fact stupid you clearly don't know shit about basketball if you just stop talking right now.
Scottie was the best sf in the nba after bird retired. Jordan was the beast shooting gaurd. He had the best defensive player and rebounder in the nba .i can keep going if ya like butt dont that sound like a super team.
mj is the superteam on his own
netflix N' Chill no he wasn’t. Jordan teammates just possessed certain skills. Lebron team with the heat was a super team
@@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw i bet you don't know what is a superteam, heat beaten by mavs and spurs. bulls 3peat 2x best record 72-10 w/ a championship. no game 7. how could you say heat is a superteam? mj doesn't need to jump ship just to win championship. what are you talkin' about huh?
netflix N' Chill but made the finals all those years. Super team. Bosh , wade James. From different teams into one. That is a super team
@@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw you know what bro you really don't know what is the diff between bulls and heat team 😆 you didn't get my point. educate yourself bruh do more research.
That first 3 peat was NOT a superteam, foh lol
It ain't no such thing a super team... it just team basketball... People act like Mj scored 80 or 90 points a game... He didn't do it by himself... It ain't no such thing one player scoring or even playing defense by themselves... so stop all this stupid crap...
Damn he really said 28 was trash ? I thought it was fake 😭😭😭
1991 -92 NBA MVP finalists were
1. Michael Jordan
2. Clyde Drexler
3. David Robinson
4. Karl Malone
5. Patrick Ewing
Scottie Pippen was 9th.
Now imagine if Jordan after defeating the Portland Trailblazers acquired the likes of the number 2 MVP finalist Clyde Drexler the following year?
That is the definition of a Superteam.
Miami Heat and the Warriors did just that. Bulls were a hell of a team and the best player in the world in MJ.
LMAO!!! I understand exactly what you mean , Bro, but they wouldn't have gone for #2, since they both played the same position. But it would be like acquired #3 and # 4.
I'll ask the ultimate question. "Why haven't nba players been clawing over each other to go play for a Michael Jordan owned team? Has anyone really wanted to notice this?
I've wondered the same. I do know however, it is a network of billionaire owners making decisions
They know he's a trash owner.
MJ wasn't on a superstar, Bulls were like the Spurs of Duncan's era or Lakers when they had Shaq & Kobe in prime. Just a really good put together team who has a couple of stars. Warriors & Cavs are stacked from head to toe, they without a doubt are killing competition in the NBA, Warriors more than anybody. Grabbing Durant on a team with the #1 power ranking & the best overall season record in history is overkill.
cipherP9 if durant didnt join.. the competition is still there
Jordan is just a grumpy old man these days and Stephen A is always on his nuts so Jordan can do no wrong in his eyes.
Richard Nelson I'm guessing LeBitch can't do no wrong in Max's eyes.
Dan The Man the topic was about Jordan, not how much you hate Lebron lol
Richard Nelson you are 12 so you know shit about basketball
Lol. I'm 31 and watched Jordan when he actually played. Not on highlights like most ppl. Stick to games dude.
Max is delusional. Grant even said his roll on the Bulls was to play defense and rebound. His quote was "put on my hard hat and go to work. He was never a star in the NBA. He was a very good roll player everywhere he went. And I love him, bu the way. One of my favorite Bulls.
Mike's not a hypocrite and he has a point. The league is boring with superteams. He had 1 all-star for a freaking 3 peat. And then Dennis for playing defense. That's it. It wasn't a super team. Jordan was Super, because he's the actual GOAT.
The Bulls were never a superteam. That first threepeat team was homegrown. The second threepeat wasn't even a superteam. Rodman was a huge step down offensively from Horace, and he had a specific role, which was to play D and get boards. That was his role for his career. It's not like Mike went out and tried to get Chuck, or Mailman, or Ewing, or even Shaq to help him dominate the league. The Warriors weren't even a superteam until Durant bitched up and joined them.
Ryan Cole GSW drafted everyone but Durant. Why so mad? Bulls got the best rebounder in the league at the time avg 17 boards per an Mike talks about a super team. He was the best ever that played with an all-star superstar forward with the best coach. Stop crying. An this is coming from a bulls fan.
grindn10101 Your argument is stupid. Who was there first, Jordan or Phil? Was Phil the best coach when he started coaching the Bulls or did that discussion come up years later? And Rodman never made an all-star team after the Pistons? No. Scottie was with the Bulls from day one. The fuck are you talking about?
An for the record im 35 so I know exactly what went on for all of Mike championship years. I'm just saying if u look at the talent in the league at the time the bulls would have to be considered a super team the year they got Rodman. Do people not remember Tony Kucos was the best player for international waters at that time an Ron Harper was the best on ball defender besides pippen an Mike in the entire world at that time. Where am I wrong
But you know what grindn10101 probably anyone could've had Rodman and given up more that WILL PERDUE to get him back then. He couldn't help that Spurs team get a ring? And they had the best record in the league the year before they traded him. He was a headache and the Bulls & MJ & Pip & Phil utilized his rebounding to become great.......I wouldn't call someone with ZERO offense being added to a team a superteam on paper. Especially by today's standards of how they're being built.
There's like 5 or 6 guys on the Thunder and Heat that would be the best player on a number of other teams.
Horace Grant would NOT have been close to the best player on ANY team.
Jordan is 100% right.
Who are the other three on the Thunder?
Westbrook, Anthony, George
Dragic, Waiters
Think about how many shit teams there are in the league. Any of these 5 guys would be the primary star on many teams. Trade ANY of these 5 to the Phoenix Suns tomorrow and that is their best player.
Shut the fuck up with the stupid comments. Mike was correct.
Wodz30 are you saying that those two teams combined have 5 or 6 players, or was there a trade between OKC and MIA?
Lebron, Wade, Love, Rose, Isaiah Thomas.....that's a ridiculous Superteam. Jordan had Pippen for help scoring and Rodman for defense and rebounding. Everyone else was a role player on the Bulls.
and pippen wouldnt be the best player on half the teams right now either
Jordan NEVER had a super team. Rodman was at the end of his career when he came to Chicago. Jordan being on a super team wouldve been him teaming up with Barkley, Ewing, Larry Bird players like that. Max tripping
CowboysDos09 rodman was at the end of his career?! lmao retire from commenting plz
@@kyngkai3942 Rodman was in his late 30s when he came to the Bulls. Do ur research
CowboysDos09 He came to the bulls at age 33 and was a 2 time AllStar and top tier role player getting all defense first team every year. He had age on him but he’s kind of an anomaly since his career lasted 20 years.
@@kyngkai3942 yea with Jordan his career pick back up, there was no market for Rodman when he came to the Bulls
Then after Chicago He goes to San Antonio to get another ring. That's how you end a career
Lebron went to miami because he can't pass the super team of boston, u have their Garnett, pierce, allen, rondo, perkins, and more, So its not lebron who started d superteam,