'I would want Michael Jordan every day' over LeBron - Stephen A. on the NBA GOAT debate | First Take
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- Stephen A. Smith, Max Kellerman and Kendrick Perkins have a heated argument about the NBA GOAT debate between LeBron James and Michael Jordan, along with how the conversation will change if LeBron wins a fifth championship. LeBron ranks 1st on ESPN's list of the best NBA players heading into the 2020-21 season.
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Anytime ESPN needs to rile up people they just bring this debate up.
Anytime you mean every day 😂😂😂
Fr
LOL FACTS
It’s ridiculous we know everyone’s opinion, Stephen a smith always says MJ, Perk says Lebron and Max always brings up the Longevity vs Highest Peak Argument
😹😹😹😹😹😹
That time of the year where ESPN brings back the debate.
That time you mean, every week or 2?
Perkins acts like he lebron girlfriend you cant say anything against lebron he gets all upset,lol.
And JordanSexuals get mad when we say something bad about him!
@@MT-eo5vy ur a bronsexual lmao and it shows
Dude all the time! 😂🤦🏽♂️, So tired of it. I love Perk just trying to justify himself 😂😂😂
Perkins: “LeBron is going against hall of famers”
Like Jordan didn’t. Only difference is, Jordan stopped a lot of Hall of Famers from even winning a ring.
Good point plus he was in the aggressive days LeBron wouldn’t last
All time facts
@Benjamin Netanyahu LeBron is a great player because of his influence on other players, but Jordan had the mentality that LeBron will never have which makes him the GOAT.
@Benjamin Netanyahu Touché
0 IQ at its finest probably going to amount to being a rubbish cleaner
When Jordan was around people used to go to his games against their favorite teams just to see how bad Mike was gonna torch them. I don't get the same exact feeling with Lebron.
Fans of opposing teams cheered for him as long as he scored 50 points, do his incredible hang time moves and beat their home teams.
That Bulls red away jersey was like the away crowds signal to show up and cheer for MJ.
*Bulls
Facts.. I went to see Michael against my Atlanta Hawks. 💯
Well true BB fans knew they were gonna see a great show and even perhaps see their team win.
For the fans that was a win/win pretty much
Here we go again....
ESPN: Any other topic? NO, I don’t think so
ESPN: MJ vs. LBJ? YESS, that’s the one
And it will never end. Because Lebron James is the closest thing to Michael Jordan we have ever seen
El Dio Lebron has surpassed MJ
@@MT-eo5vy MJ > Lebron
@Incredible Vern I mean he’s the closest in terms of greatness to Jordan not play style
@Incredible Vern Magic... KD plays like Bird
If I think MJ is the goat, I’m instantly a hater of Lebron according to Lebron fans
and if you think bron the goat you a brontard according to jordan fans
@@deshawnfilterfeed1212 nope. You're just wrong
@@jaasonjones4419 lol if you genuinely think jordan is a better player than bron you tripping
How? He achieved more in less time, he was better on both sides of the court and became the player with the highest ppg during one of the lowest scoring periods in NBA history.
@@jaasonjones4419 people now will never understand the greatness of Jordan because they never saw him(maybe at the end) and it’s hard for them to think someone was greater than Lebron.Brons great but the nba feared Mj and if you don’t believe it watch CZcams and listen to other players said
MJ so GOAT he had to retire in his prime so that other teams can win it
actually, he would still get 6 chips, had he not retire
No it was cuz he was a gamble Addict
@@jodhveer6007 What rubbish. Lol. He has a competitive problem. Not a gambling problem.
He would of got 8 maybe 9 in a row if he did not let hakeem have a go. Mj was another level as a winner to anyone
Soo true hmif he never gets old hed still be doing 3 prats evry decade 😂
2:28 Perkins: "It's a team sport"
2:45 Perkins: "How about the individual accolades?"
He said it as I read this comment 😂
LMAO! I love it when his brain can’t handle it either.
@ThreeCreators
*1962/63 season: Prime Wilt Chamberlain won just 31 games and missed the Playoffs despite having 3 players from the Hall of Fame.* ( LOL ).
If it was Michael Jordan, old crazy heads would crucify him.
@ThreeCreators Mj is so overrated man, people act like he is the most valuable player of all time, bird magic bill russell lebron were all more valuable to their teams than mj was, bird in his rookie year led the celtics to 60 wins I think, lebron led the cavs to 66 wins, look what happened when lebron left the cavs, and look what happened when mj left the bulls.
@@dynamic6645 if LeBron is more valuable, where’s the 6 championships to prove it
“Stop lying Big Boy”- SAS 2020😂😂
Steven A smith sus for that comment 🤣🤣🤣
SAS? More like SUS
AYOOOO
Still trying to figure out how perkins became relevant enough to be a analyst
Yeah me to man, me too!
He's a Lebron d rider that's how, have you noticed the amount of Lebron d riders on tv the last 3-yrs. The more they push he's better then MJ the more tv air time they get. Richard Jefferson, Rachel Nichols, Brian Windhorst and Nick Wrong is the perfect example yrs ago said KD was better then Lebron in detail via twitter, then deleted those tweets. Then became the biggest LeBron D rider then gets his own shown
Don't hate. If you can debate with player perspective you good so he straight.. plus he appeals to a different demographic
Hes a substitute of ryan hollins
Please give us someone who'd avg more pts than Perk please!
Micheal Jordan everyday and twice on Sunday. Thank you.
When jordan was sick with flu he played his heart out that is a warrior wanting his team to win no matter what thank you Michael
It was food poisoning
@@jordansanders9818 even worse lol
He was hungover Scottie Pippen said it himself real “goat” like, gambling addict too lmao at least Bron can say he’s a model citizen.
@@mcflurry1583 Bron model citizen. 😂 😂😂😂 Big moth princess Bron even put himself in trouble with the Chinese government. Shut up and dribble. 😂😂
Regardless of who you pick, I think we can all agree that nobody wants to hear what Kendrick Perkins has to say about this or any topic.
Lol, this is what Michael jordan die hard fans would say
Nah max and stephen a saying can never is way dumber
Agreed
@@vinceguilliamalipio8338
Post-injuries Kevin Garnett ( age 35, 36 ), Tim Duncan ( age 37 ), Ray Allen ( age 35, 36 ), Manu ( age 35 ),
Paul Pierce ( age 33, 34 ).
*They were all old, when Prime Lebron James defeated them.*
*Prime Lebron James lost to 38-years-old Tim Duncan in the 2014 Nba Finals.*
1991 Pistons:
*Dennis Rodman HoF ( age 30 ) - 2x Defensive Player of the Year ( 1990 and 1991 ).*
*Isiah Thomas HoF ( age 30 ) - All-star 1991.*
*Joe Dumars HoF ( age 27 ) - All-star 1991.*
However, Lebron fans claim the Pistons were old when Michael Jordan defeated them.
Lebron fans always have a double standarts. Lebron"s fans are mostly casual.
@@allanhouston6759 that’s 2014 spies team would beat that pistons team
Kendrick Perkins literally argued against his own points LMFAO
Haha
He's as good a basketball analyst as he was a basketballer
Lmao
@@TeacherLegendary basketballer...?
Kendrick Perkins is a hypocrite
2:28 Ok if you look at it from a"team sport" perspective, Jordan's *team* won more times than LeBron's in less time
And Jordan helped build that team’s core, contributing towards the development of young players like Scottie & Horace. Lebron moves, recruits stars or suitable players that fit his system, then leaves when things get tough and repeats the process. I don’t recall any young player LBJ helped develop into an all star calibre player.
@@GoGetYourShinebox Mo williams. After the cavs stint he basically became 2nd/3rd string pg on other teams. Then there's jr smith. Went from trash in knicks to playing way better with the cavs.
@@fury_021 Yeah but lbj played when he was a 18. mj didn't do that.
Had mj been playing since he was 18 like lbj it definitely wouldn't have been no 13 yrs.
Can't blame el train for playing in the nba since he was 18 and capable of it.
And who cares how fast it takes you to get rings.
Thats like saying shaq is much better then kobe because shaq got his 4th ring sooner then kobe/lbj I find that hilarious as heck comparing how fast someone gets a ring.
The end game is the total amount doesn't matter if you win it by an inch or a mile winning is winning.
Lebron chased for his 1st ring MJ stayed to the city who drafted him and gave them 2 threepeats
He's still chasing 🤣
lebron left the cavs because he did not have a championship contender around him, mj was already given pippen grant john paxson bj armstrong phil jackson, mj didnt need to leave.
@@Amoun007 Mj still gave them 2 threepeat did he not?
@@Amoun007 He was ran out of Cleveland, and had to team up with 2 HOFer's then still lost the championship that season LMAO!!!
@@Amoun007 Excuses, excuses, excuses...he left to chase a ring
Perkins is so annoying every time on this debate
You're more annoying.
How
@@danielcho2698 how
@JACQUEZ JOHNSON lol whaaaaaaat 🤣
@JACQUEZ JOHNSON * bubble chip
Ratings must be down 😅 y’all bring this up every other day. Let the topic rest man 😆
🤣🤣🤣 at least let lebron get the chance to play a game
Nah its closer then ever right now.
@news flash yeah because nba brought sjw Woke politics to the sport league.
1:32
@news flash I love Lebron as a basketball player, my favorite one too. But I hate him with all of his things off the court, like politics
MJ invented the goat
MJ never sat out games due to "load management". That ends the debate right there.
No it really doesn't lol
But retired like 3 times
He literally retired 3 times. He “load managed” like 5 seasons.
MJ never passed the ball to a ref by mistake. That ends the debate right there lol
John Stockton has 16 seasons in which he played all 82 games, Karl Malone has 17 seasons in which he played 80 or more games. Gary Payton- `13, Alex English- 13, Reggie Miller- 12, Terry Porter- 12.
*Name a least one modern Nba player who played 10 full seasons ( or 80 games ).*
Perkins just trying too bully his way on the argument.
Gotta love Perkins
F Perkins he a hater that wouldn't survive basketball in the 80s and 90s
@@rubski-ds9yc but u would??? U deluded oldhead ya niggas is lame
There wasn’t talent back then compared to now
@Nigg Naps you take 30 years of Basketball and act like these guys have been in the league at one time
I dont like Perkins and his comments.. this dude acting like LeBrons mother..
Kendrick Perkins is right on some points
Not*
He's still on his payroll u can't blame him
more like Lebron's bi*ch...
Lol that's LeKendrick Perkins for you!
MJ never flopped
Yeah also jordan never quit or gave up in a nba finals game or any game
@@robertwilson9528 omg more Lebron haters
@@SaiKhot tell me im wrong. The entire world saw it. Hes a quiter. Wants easy championships and little opposition. When it dosent go his way or the road gets hard he has checked out multiple games n plays for his stats so when he loses he can say i had a triple double or watever empty stat
@@robertwilson9528 tell me u don’t watch basketball wo telling me u don’t watch basketball
@@jolie7624 ok so prove to me my comment is not facts. Its mot hate against lebron its facts. The whole world saw how he quit n checked out in the playoffz this year. Did that not happen?
My parents, ever since I was a kid, taught me never to argue with someone over any of these 3 topics;
1. Religion
2. Politics
3. LeBron vs MJ
How many of you skipped when perk started talking? 🤣
I didn't care what he said
I thought about it but sadly I didn't.
Present...that dude house a mouth of noisy goose
I didnt. Was the best part.
It was moronic at its worst to be honest with you.
MJ has done more in 13 years than LeBron has in nearly 20, this is no debate at all.
He did it in a watered down expansion era player's today are far more talented than back then even if it was more physical.
The degree of difficulty was higher for Jordan
@@ralphdadon3026 Yes.....According to you players talent in Nba decreased Xd. Better watch Kareem talking about new Nba Players and you gonna see.
@@ralphdadon3026 jordan is the goat, but this is absolutely false
@@theprodigy7002 where’s the variety of players today like the 90’s had? Where’s all the elite centers and big men for this era ?
Its not the numbers that makes Jordan the GOAT for me....
Its his impact that makes him the GOAT...
Period
I take Kobe over bron🤷🏾♂️
Tf u smoking
5 chips on one team and 20 yrs on one team and not sitting out games....Kobe definitely
No way
👍
Why is Perkins so emotional 😭 it’s weird 😂😂😂
$$$
Facts
He's a television personality now... That's his shtick.
He loves Lebron dearly dont mock him for wearing his feelings on his sleeve
“Listen” “stop it” “come on” then proceeds to cry
ESPN’s go to topic is the goat debate when they run out of ideas
And your go to thing is to click and watch.
MJ will always be # 1
Lebron is an incredible athlete and basketball player... Jordan is on another plain... He is a God
The NBA Mount Rushmore is like the Jackson 5. There's Michael and then the role players.
Great comment!
might be the most factual comment i’ve ever read💯
Great point!
😂true
he never beat larry bird in a playoff game, where does larry rank here?
Magic: it's Michael Jordan and then there's everybody else
Jordan: You cant compare players in different eras
magic : if lebron gets 5 it’s hard to say he won’t be over taking jordan . this was 2 months ago . when lebron won your statement is a old one lol . please stop !
@TheRealist811 it’s the same thing . him being 5 is hard to say he isn’t over taking because he’s right there with him .
Booom
No more. There is the King now.
MJ will never be passed.
I'll just say this and remember LeBron had to change teams 3 different times to win his rings. Michael Jordan didn't he won all his rings with the Chicago bulls and he earned Everything he has. Michael Jordan is the G.O.A.T. always will be
I want Michael Jordan everyday, and 2 times on sunday - stephen a 🤝
Facts and Kobe also
💯factssss
@@Amigofix jordan, yeah? but Kobe? Nah.
LeBron is the 2nd greatest player of all time behind Alex Caruso aka the Bald Mamba
🗣😆😆
Kyle Lowry
Idk i think danny green is better than caruso but lebron isnt on their level
So kobe is the best because caruso gets his name from kobe🤔
Kobe is the greatest
I think Lebron is a phenomenal player!! He is the greatest of his era. However growing up and watching MJ, MJ is the goat hands down. why are All these Lebron kids nowadays are all running around wearing Michael’s shoes!
I keep saying the same thing Jordan shoes tell it all. Nobody wearing lebron's
Lebrons shoes are pink lmao lmao lmao
Anyone who's been to a game and seen both of these guys in action would never argue this. Jordan broke physics.
“The late great Kobe Bean Bryant” Will never sit right with me man smh...
On god smh
Agreed
@sincere Williams Like AI said they must’ve forgot 💯 In the 2000’s it was MJ vs Kobe. Now they act like Kobe was just alright lmao. Real hoopers know wassup.
@sincere Williams frfr they never bring Kobe up anymore, always lebron
*Against 50-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 25-10 ), JORDAN ( 20-7 ), Lebron James ( 19-11 ).*
*Against 60-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 2-5 ), JORDAN ( 7-2 ), Lebron James ( 3-4 ).*
Lebron James feasted in the weak East.
Kobe and MJ didn"t have that luxury.
I've had the pleasure of watching them both and Jordan is the GOAT
A class by himself is true. A class of people with compulsive gambling addictions, God complexes, and an almost psychopathic need to be recogized as the best ever and forever to the point he greenlit a "documentary" about himself the day after LeBron won another chip just to remind people about himself
Most that pick Lebron never watched MJ. Figures.
I'm 52. Watched them both since high school. LeBron is CLEARLY the GOAT. Jordan never even made it to the Finals without Phil. Neither did Kobe. Phil elevated their legacies. LeBron has elevated multiple coaches legacies. Its not even close.
@@oroebuck if lebron is the Goat what happened in 2011 finals when he finished averaging 17.8ppg
@@leetraviusmckay2919 Being the only player...IN NBA HISTORY...with 38k/8k/8k, to average a trpl-dbl in the Finals and to lead 3 franchises to a title makes him the Greatest Of All-Time. It's about the body of work, not a single series. He's raised the bar for every Hall of Famer, statistically and with championships. And, his jersey will be retired by every team he's played for, as should happen to the GOAT.
5:42
Superstars Jordan faced (in their prime): Magic Johnson, Clyde Drexel, Charles Barkley, Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, Alonzo Mourning, Tim Hardaway Sr., Reggie Miller, Shaquille O'Neal
Superstars LeBron faced (in their prime): Tim Duncan, Dirk, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett, Paul Piece, Ray Allen, Steph Curry
Tim Duncan ( age 37 ), Post-injuries Kevin Garnett ( age 35, 36 ), Ray Allen ( age 35, 36 ), Manu ( age 35 ),
Paul Pierce ( age 33, 34 ).
*They were all old, when Prime Lebron James defeated them.*
Jordan played against Ray Allen, Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett too
And guys who would literally assault you on the court like Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn.
@@allanhouston6759 *Michael Jordan only dominated when celtics lakers pistons teams got old/injured and retired*
Michael Jordan:"Hey larry, glad you retired, maybe I'll start winning some right now !"
*Michael Jeffrey Jordan is so overrated.*
@@dynamic6645 shut up i hear the same “easier defense” all the time. It wasn’t easier. Its just that style has changed, along with mechanics and strategies for defending.
Even if LeBron wins 12 Rings he's still not the GOAT
Lol
Amen !!!
mj fan spotted if mj didnt have 6 rings he wouldnt be in the discussion
I think Kendrick might love LeBron more than most of us love of our parents. This dude....
Ur lame bro
@@pelicansfan8499 Thanks, bud!
@@pelicansfan8499 😂😂😂
Leshannon 🤣🤣🤣
Cash Nasty: Am I a joke to you?
Wow ESPN never talks about the goat debate. I’m surprised they are talking about it!
Facts. This is as rare as them talking about the cowboys...
I know this is supposed to be sarcastic so idk why I’m writin this but before the bubble this summer it was all they talked about
why is this a debate, when LEBRON isnt even better kobe!💯
1 statistic demonstrates that Kobe-Lakers had tougher opponents than LeBron-Heat.
Somebody: point out the YT videos that demonatrate the statistic. I saw 1 such video 2 weeks ago.
Heat opponents were tough, but not as tough as Lakers opponents.
On point! 🏀
@@WineSippingCowboy Lebron faced better competition in the finals than kobe 😵
Nah but LeBron ain’t better Than Kareem
Exactly 💯
@@dynamic6645
Competition was in the West
You can't be in the GOAT conversation unless you 3peat. 💯
Facts
This is a team achievement Mr. Lu T
Would Jordan had lost a finals with Wade & Bosh? Against the Mavericks? Lol.
*MJ never got outscored by a player on the bench in the Finals.*
Prime Lebron James got outscored by 6"2 Jason Terry ( age 33 ) - who played less minutes per game.
Would Phil Jackson have needed Kobe if he had LeBron for 17 years?
Jordan never carried a team himself
That would be a sweep of the any team they play against.BRON is a goat but he has the weak mentality compare to MJ and Kobe.I think if BRON had Kobe mental then he would be the goat
@@jerrythealien9106 Check your facts.
MJ no doubt. If MJ had the sports science of today and the general new methods of training and recovery... it's scary to think he'd be even better
if he played today against these athletes who are better he would only get 4 rings
60 inch vertical MJ
@@Scrapeboxkid These athletes who have to dance around each other? Yeah, okay, sure. MJ would make fools of them with these rules.
@@SmilingJack65 I agree, todays nba players just look better because the rules help them a lot, it's easier to score these days because the rules favor the offensive players, you just drive to the basket and get fouled every time and easy 2 buckets
@@Scrapeboxkid😂😂😂😂
MJ is the GOAT of all time 5 MVP´s regular Season 6 MVP'S FINALS... The Best Scorer Ever: Michael Jordan Won 10 Scoring Titles While Basically Playing 11 Full Seasons, More and more reasons... MICHAEL JORDAN THE KING OF BASKETBALL EVER
Lebron will never be better then mj..he will never do what jordan has done..never!!!!
If lebron win 10 championship michael Jordan is still the GOAT in my eyes.
agree lebron lost to many in the finals mj is 6-0! nuff said :)
@@oriondx72 he also lost 3 times in 1st round without Pippen
@@oriondx72 He got there though
@@filiperufino303
1988 ECFR:
*JORDAN= 45-ppg FG-56%.*
*Pippen =10-ppg FG-47%.*
The Bulls in the second round thanks to the incredible performance of Michael Jordan.
Scotte Pippen was a Rookie.
By your logic, Larry Hughes carried Lebron James.
Without Larry Hughes, Lebron James do not make the Playoffs in two years in a row.
Lebron"s fans are mostly casual.
@@filiperufino303 That first round argument is non sense 3 out of the 2 years MJ couldn't get out the first round he played a 60 win team then a 59 win team Celtics with 3-4 HOFers while MJ didn't even had help and yet Lebron didn't even make the playoffs his first 2 seasons in the NBA stop it
James won 3 of his chips with a super star studded team Jordan stayed in one team that he turned into the great team they were.
Horace Grant, Steve Kerr, Toni Kokoc, Dennis Rodman, Scottie Pippen, John Paxton, Stacey King, Craig Hodges
@@SaiKhot all good roleplayers, one star player in there in scottie pippen 👍🏼
@@RobboYT 3 star players excluding rodman
@@SaiKhot who? steve kerr? 😂😂
@@RobboYT no lol Grant Kukoc and Pippen 💀
Lebron needs to be better than Kobe before he can get up to comparison to basketball Jesus.
Yep :) , Kobe was the closest thing to Jordan.
If you face LeBron in the Finals...
you actually have a chance of winning and beating him..
If you faced Michael Jordan....
you were gonna lose. That’s it.
He had that aura that u couldnt beat him. I havent seen that in most players past or present. Hes like the ultimate videogame boss lol
Absolutely. And when have you eve heard anyone try to make the argument that the Buffalo Bills are one of the greatest all time NFL teams?
when did i play against lebron
u*
Perkins makes his point that it’s a team sport and then talks about individual accolades in the next sentence 😂
Clearly you don’t have a clue about what he was saying. He talked about it’s a team sport, so rings shouldn’t mean as much when comparing players. No one can win a ring single handedly. He talks about individual accolades because when you compare 2 players, you should talk about they individual stats, not team awards or media awards
@@andrewmuragin5310 Perkins was all over the place😂
@@andrewmuragin5310 and Jordan still wins in individual accolades
@@andrewmuragin5310 that’s why we have final mvps; to highlight the individual that put in the most work toward their team accomplishment. Lebron fans are funny bunch with this lame “team accomplishment” excuse. Jordan has more FMVP then Lebron; which means he contributed to all of his team accomplishments. Go eat 💩 now.
@@andrewmuragin5310 So if LeBron matches or surpasses Jordan in rings, people wouldn’t use that as fuel? Years ago my theory was that since LeBron wasn’t winning as much the whole winning rings is a team accomplishment so it shouldn’t be a factor in greatness narrative was born, but let LeBron win some more and watch how they flip their stance on it.
why is perk on the show dude literally makes no sense every single day
Lol why cause you didn’t agree with him saying Lebron was the best?
He brings no value to the show at all its ridiculous
frrrrrrr
Your ok with max tho?
No kidding. lmao I’d rather listen to Paul Pierce.
Always and forever MJ
LeBron stans are so insecure
How petty is it to ask for ‘respect’ each time
You feel he’s disrespected when anyone disagrees with their opinion
Must be nice to get paid $$$ to answer the same question over and over again...
Kyle Lowry
Overrated
@@mendez9870 underrated
GOAT
Biiiiggggg Booooty Kyyyyle Loooowrry
@Kyle Lowry
You couldn't get pass me with the cavs
How long will we have this same debate?
I remember the legend of something they used to call, defense. It was glorious, they were like Roman Gladiators.
MJ the GOAT period.
@Adel Masood Rahman he got every team he played on a chip. Unlike mj. Mj went to the wizards and didn’t even get them a winning record. So that already let’s you know that Lebron is more valuable. Mj isn’t versatile at all. And he had so many fake retirements it’s ridiculous. So face the facts and move on
@@kingchriistiian6757 this is the dumbest take ever lol, you do realize mj stopped playing for like a year or two then went to the wizards. Also mj did all his stuff in 14 seasons while lebron still hasn’t overcome him in stuff at 17. There’s levels to it and mj is ahead and it’s clear.
@@travisealy3512 mj with the fake retirements 🤣🤣 so cute
@Adel Masood Rahman 1-9;)
@Adel Masood Rahman lebron too doest change the fact his 1-9 lol
They need to start giving MJ and LBJ cuts every time their name is mentioned on the show. Bet they’d stop real quick.
True, but they are rich enough as is 😂
@@davidcollins7195 True, but then again so is ESPN
there is no debate. only one stayed with his team the entire time and lifted them to greatness. he never jumped from team to team trying to take the easy path to greatness. period
Lebron has spent half his life chasing a ghost now that's paranormal activity
It's surprising how little perk knows about basketball being a former pro basketball player lol
That’s what all mj fans say... the facts were handed to you, accept them
@@kingchriistiian6757 you think kendrick perkins speaks facts? Incredible lol
@@kingchriistiian6757
*All-Nba Players.*
LBJ"s era ( 2003/2018 ):
*East -58.*
*West -147.* LOL.
Lebron James feasted in the weak East. It is a Fact.
@@allanhouston6759 but he went to the finals and beat the warriors. Which was probably the best team pretty much ever besides Mj’s bulls. So he’s feasting regardless. And oh he went to the west. And feasted some more. So your point is?
@@blackstar0o3 Lebron is the goat. Stay mad.
I'm still about that Kobe over Lebron! All day everyday!
*Lebron James lost to Dwight Howard in the 2009 Nba Finals.*
Kobe Bryant defeated Dwight Howard in the 2009 Nba Finals.
Kobe Bryant defeated Prime Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.
*Prime Lebron James lost to Old Tim Duncan ( age 38 ) in the 2014 Nba Finals.*
Kobe Bryant is better than Lebron James.
@@allanhouston6759 Everything u just said makes 0 sense 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. By that logic Kobe lost to that pistons team but Lebron beat it the year after, so Lebron > Kobe. I love kobe. Hes the second best sg ever, but hes below lebron. Imagine if a young lebron had prime shaw for 6 season? Would have been a wrap for the league. Lebrons accolades are better, better career averages more mvps, finals appearances ( Will possibly tie him for chips this year) and alot more
My love and respect for Kobe won't allow my fingers to type a rebuttal
@@ladlad3179 Lebron needed an All-star MVP by his side to win everytime. Every time he tried to do it by himself he got swept. Lebron set the game difficulty to easy mode on cruise control by trying to build super teams and he still has a negative Finals record.
@@supersmoothsailin6178 i mean lets not forget that Kobe had the second best Centre of all time on his team when he 3 peated, as well has a gasol averaging 20 and 10 a game while playing lockdown D, and a very deep bench which included all nba bynum and An arrest who could still give 15-20 a game. Everyone needs help to win chips. Be it lebron, mj or kobe
I love hearing Perk try to pronounce words with 3 syllables or more.
That's entertainment.🤣🤣🤣
Haha! Perk went from 'team sport' to 'individual accolades' in like 10 seconds. Confused me! Had to watch those 10 seconds again because I thought I missed something!
“If 4 finals mvps becomes 5, would that be higher than 6?”🤦♂️
apparently so. Now we arr also ignoring all the losses too because thats inconvenient.
The main reason why mj is better than lebron isn't because of the rings but by the consistent level of dominance
Jordan never beat Larry bird 🐦
bill rusell 11 > 6
Robert horry 7>6
@@TheNyion912 what?? Dude, Jordan is better player than Bird, any time.
How is this even an arrangement: chips jordan, mvps jordan, finals mvp jordan, point per game jordan, defensive players of the year jordan, sccoring tiitles jordan, defense first team jordan. What are you arguing.
Thank you. Stupidest argument in the history of sports.
More points, rebounds, assists, blocks? The question is who is the better player? Not who had the better team.
🤦♂️Lebron has more points assist rebounds 3pt percentage field goal percentage everything besides rings ya niggas weren’t even alive to see Jordan play and you can’t say who’s better because Lebron never played against Jordan
@@PriestDaSensei those stats are relative to time played in the league tho. MJ has a higher ranking of rebounds and assists per position if you take out time played. And the 3pt % is a .2 difference over an entire career so you can’t give that to one person over another. He does have FG %.
Exactly💯 People say that MJ had a better team but yet they all say that MJ played with plumbers like bruh FOH😂
The last few few seconds was the funniest. :)
very cool video
“Quick! We need a topic to fill a 30 minute block what should they talk about?”
“What should we talk about”.
@Bill Pap. I understand too, that’s why I’m correcting. He’s using 1 person and 3 person for his statement.
I'm asking for MJ's autograph 10/10 times over LeBron if they at the same table
I'd ask Lbj so stop
@@roarnightingale2238 u trippin
I’m asking for both all y’all sick lls both the Goat
@@learnlifetv7019 do you not understand GOAT mean Greatest Of All Time is how in the world they both the GOAT love LeBron too just Micheal better
@@lyndonjenkins8756 I’m not gonna argue or listen to ppl argue about two GOATS if you wanna believe that one is better than the others go head lol I’m not... 🙋🏾♂️
To be honest I don't even think lebron james is better then koby Bryant!!!...the closest one to ever be as great as michael jordan is koby Bryant!!!!... period!!!!.....
I only remember Perkins because of his highlights in SHAQtin a fool
"You.. you.. you, do not want go there... You do NOT... You do not want.. you... YOU DO NOT wanna bring up.. you do not wanna......" Perk really has a way with words 💯
xD exactly, a savant with words
Lmaooo😂
Do haters realise you can love both LBJ and MJ ?
Tell bron meat suckers that they act like he god😂
@@DogIn1993 y’all Jordan fans act like Jordan played 6 season an he’s a god
wait a minute. so to not be a LeBron hater, I have to love him? I personally DON'T LIKE HIM and I have on-the-court (flopping, boring (but extremely intelligent) playstyle, crying to refs) and off-the-court (cherry-picking social justice activities, calling himself the goat, joining or creating superteams, supporting potential human rights violation before proper research, which ends up being funny) reasons for that. That does not mean that I do not, objectively, put him as the 2nd greatest to ever touch the basketball. Am I a hater according to you/your definition?
@@bartphilips2222 no the only person I can understand saying better then Lebron is Jordan I think ole goat James better tho that’s just me and why do u say creating super team this isn’t the 80 people wanna play with other good people
@@Jdub3amigo on one hand - you're right, on the other - he's had a special status since the day he was drafted, which means he can be more efficient in forming these "superteams" or joining them. if you add the huge help he gets from the league management (refs decisions, other weird situations like draymonds suspension) you end up with a very sad picture. in my humble opinion he's great, he's 2nd, but he's also been carried, not only by his teammates.
He said “Jeff Hornacek and Dan Majerle” 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah
With Perkins logic Westbrook could be the goat 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Or Lavar
russ the goat tho
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Because you know triple doubles. It’s crazy that Westbrook is second for most triple doubles.
It just doesn't feel right hearing "the late Kobe Bryant" 😔
Yup smh
i still got kobe over bron
@@kevinmeadows6580 he isnt all time
Michael Jordan did a lot more in a lot less time. END OF STORY!!!!!
If you think MJ is the goat, you're instantly labeled a LeBron hater. If you think LeBron's the goat, you're instantly labeled as a Jordan hater.
This will never change simply because people don't want to listen
MJ will be # 1, ALWAYS
Not always LOL
Your opinion
Max and SAS: "We got nothing to talk about today"
ESPN bosses: "Do the GOAT discussion you havent done that for 11 days"
Soooooo true
Lol
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Teamworkmanship.
The question should be if u had first pick of any player ever in there prime to be on team who would it be?
Why did they cut the video it was getting great 😂
Jordan and LeBron sit at the same table, but Jordan eats first, thats my opinion
Nah Jordan and Kobe are at both ends with Jordan in the Throne Chair. Lebron is sitting in a side seat.
@@randychristian2250 lmao u good lbj better then kobe we can have this debate
Love Kobe but lebron is better and Jordan is the Goat plain and simple
@@bryanlopez4994 thank you your actually smart
0:21 that summed up the whole think rly
This reminds me of the presidential debate lmao
I don't think people realise how unstoppable michael was offensively, he is an underrated passes, and he was clutch, and he was a terror to score on and in the passing lanes. He Jordan had the ball and it was a one score game with 10 sec left you didn't expect...you KNEW he was going to win the game. There hasn't been anybody to that level since, kobe got close but MJ was another level.
Plus... 10 Defensive titles!
Perkins needs to go. First Take needs a former player who can contribute something with substance, not some weak garbage thought up 10 seconds before air just so he can cash an ESPN check
Whenever I see the words "LeBron" and "GOAT" I feel compelled to look back on his almighty resume:
In 2004 was named Rookie of the Year despite Carmelo Anthony averaging more points, rebounds, blocks, shooting better from FG and 3pt, higher PER, and led his Nuggets to a playoff berth unlike LeBron who wouldn't reach the playoffs until his 3rd season.
Also in 2004, takes home his first bronze medal at the Olympic Games.
In 2006, became the only MVP in NBA history to lose at multiple international events, even losing to a Greece team that was void of one single NBA player enroute to his second consecutive bronze medal (World Championships).
The biggest game of LeBron's career to date came in the 2007 ECF close-out game vs Detroit. He struggled all game long finishing with just 20 points on 25% shooting while rookie bench player Daniel "Boobie" Gibson secured Cleveland the victory with 37 points on 78% shooting to eliminate the Pistons.
LeBron's shooting woes continued into the finals, held to just 22ppg on 36% shooting by 35 year old Bruce Bowen. Despite LeBron's poor form, two of the four games in LeBron's first finals sweep were decided by one possession; three points or less.
2008 - "Hey Kobe, get on TeamUSA dawg, I can't take home a third bronze medal"
2009-2011 LeBron became the first and only MVP in NBA history to be eliminated by lower seeds for THREE consecutive years. '09 the 66-16 Cavs with the 3rd best offence and 4th best defense in the NBA go down to the one all-star 59-23 Magic in the ECF, '10 the 61-21 Cavs go down to the 50-32 Celtics in the 2nd round in which his own GM Dan Gilbert publicly accused him of "quitting on the series" after a double-figure turnover effort in the close-out game, and '11 the "Heatles" lose with home-court advantage to the Mavericks. "The key to this series is, can LeBron stop Jason Terry?" - Magic Johnson.
Also in 2011, LeBron made his 2nd entry into the biggest finals scoring discrepancies of all time. His 17ppg together with his 22ppg from the 2007 finals were both virtually double figures below his season averages both years, and are the biggest discrepancies in the shot-clock era.
2012 - to win his first championship, needed to join forces with two of the other top five picks from his own draft class (Wade and Bosh), two record-holding shooters (M Miller and Battier), hall of fame Manager of Basketball Operations Pat Riley and join a franchise who had won the championship just four years prior to his signing; Miami Heat 2006 champions.
2013 - thank you Ray!
In 2014 LeBron and his "Heatles" lose by an NBA playoff record 71 point deficit where the average margin of defeat was 14ppg to the oldest starting five in NBA history who they had just beaten the year prior.
2015 LeBron decided to shatter finals missed field goal records by missing an average of 21 shots through the first three games. He would finish shooting under 40% for the 2nd time in his finals career and despite his poor shooting and the absence of Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving, the Cavs still manage to take eventual champion Warriors to six games, proving the 2016 finals was the most over-glorified in NBA history with the return of Love and Irving (heavy favorites).
Also 2015 - allowed the 2015 Warriors to become the first team since Jordan's 1991 Bulls to win a championship without any finals experience on their roster.
In 2016 ESPN publish "Final second shots are tough, just ask LeBron James" who show us that since his first attempt in 2006, had shot just 5-for-47 on go-ahead and game-winning field goal attempts up until the conclusion of the 2016 season, a mere 10.6%. For his career, is 0-for-6 under such conditions in the finals, two of which were lay-ups.
2017-18 LeBron watched his direct small forward match-up take home the finals MVP trophy for the 3rd and 4th times; Kawhi Leonard, Andre Iguodala, and Kevin Durant twice consecutively.
Also 2018 - to accompany his world record for a series losing margin, in the 2018 finals LeBron lost the close-out game by NBA record 23 points in which he'd given up by half time and only attempted four shots in the final 30 minutes of the game.
Also 2018 - became one of just three players in NBA history to average more than four turnovers in consecutive seasons.
In 2019 we witnessed LeBron "activate playoff mode early" only to finish 11 wins behind the 8th seed and again proved he can't reach the playoffs without a multiple all-star roster (2004, 2005, 2019).
2020 saw the arrival of Anthony Davis who led the Lakers in points, rebounds, blocks, steals, FG%, FT% and PER enroute to capturing the Disneyland Championship while LeBron became the first wing player in NBA history to shoot below 70% from the FT line in four separate seasons; 2007, 2017, 2019 and 2020.
And a few miscellaneous points of interest:
- has only ever led his peers in the league in just two statistical categories; a scoring title from 2008 and an assist title from the shortened 2020 season
- has only won one championship without multiple all-star team mates both averaging above 19ppg on the season (Wade and Bosh with Miami, Love and Irving with Cleveland). The lone championship he won with AD leading the Lakers in almost every statistical category came against a 5th seed who were down two starters in four out of the six games of the series.
- despite ring-chasing ever since his infamous conference call to Melo and Wade in 2006, still hasn't surpassed the championship tally obtained by his peers 15 years later; is tied with Ginobili and Parker (4) and trails Bryant and Duncan (5); some may also argue Horry (7).
- is a Ray Allen three pointer and a Kyrie Irving three pointer away from having the same amount of NBA championships as bronze medals.
- is yet to show he can overcome adversity or win as the underdog, and has lost multiple playoff series as the heavy favorite (all outlined in detail above).
- holds the NBA record for most finals game losses (33, tied with Jerry West) and is 2nd all time in finals series losses (Jerry West, 8).
- 1st all time in turnovers committed, holds individual records for turnovers in a finals series, entire playoff run, close-out game, etc.
- the all-time record for First Team All-Defensive selections is 9 (held by Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant). Lebron is barely half that with five; in direct comparison to MJ who was the 1988 Defensive Player of the Year and only player in NBA history to register above 200 steals and 100 blocks simultaneously in multiple seasons, LeBron's best defensive season he finished with 137 steals and 93 blocks (2009).
- personal owner of the longest flopping compilation on CZcams.
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1991 nba finals and 1993 nba finals, john paxson saved mjs legacy by hitting clutch shots. 1997 nba finals game 6, the cold blooded michael jeffrey jordan passes the ball to steve kerr for a mid range shot, mj was afraid of double teams (although he scored through double teams in his career), so he let a role player take the last shot, with 5 seconds remaining jazz inbound the ball, scottie pippen steal and assists toni kukoc on a fastbreak dunk to win the championships, so in conclusion, john paxson steve kerr scottie pippen toni kukoc saved mjs legacy multiple times.
In my opinion Jordan is the greatest scorer to play basketball an average 30.1 ppg can't be argued with, neither is the fact that mjs 22.9 shot attempts per game is the 2nd most in history. I have him as a top 20 defender of all time although not a great low post defender. However, he's not the greatest player of all time as the media hypes him to be. The myth that MJ makes everybody better around him needs to be put to rest. MJ is a great individual player but his play doesn't boost the play of those around him like Bird or Magic did, the game is a team sport not a one on one game. Now your probably telling yourself how can MJ be overrated if he won 6 rings ? well yeah he won 6 rings but he won those 6 rings in the weakest competitive era of nba basketball. why were the 90s the weakest era in nba history ? expansion teams. from 1989 to 1996 6 new teams were added to the nba that watered down the league to its lowest talent level in history. its no accident that the bulls won 72 games at the height of the expansion league era in 1996,with the grizzlies and raptors checking in that year. If you think those bulls would have won 6 rings and 72 games in the 80s then you need to crack down the pipe and walk away please. For example if you take 23 ounces of whiskey and add 6 ounces of water to it does its strength remain the same ? no, does it get stonger ? No, does it become weaker, like the 90s NBA ? Of course it does. it isnt even that complicated. In 1971 the bucks won 66 games and in 1972 the lakers won 69 games after expansion teams were added. doesnt mean they are great teams, just less competition created by the expansion. During that time only 3 new teams were added. there were players starting for new teams in the 90s what wouldnt have even got a tryout for an 80s team. MJ himself was replaced by a CBA player, Pete Myers in 1994 and the bulls only dropped 2 games worse in the regular season that year. The competition was so bad during mjs last season in 1998, 5 teams in the NBA failed to win 20 or more games. You had:
Toronto Raptors:16-66
Denver Nuggets:11-71
Vancouver Grizzlies:19-63
Golden State Warriors:19-63
Los Angeles Clippers:17-65
and we add in the Dallas Mavericks at 20-62, these teams were the worst teams ! The 1980s was a virtual cream of the crop hall of famers, Celtics had Bird Mchale Parish, sixers had Julius Erving, Moses Malone, Darryl Dawkins, Charles Barkley, Mo Cheeks and after they got through beating each other to death, they would have to face a rested Lakers team with Magic and Kareem who are arguably 2 of the top 5 greatest players of all time, on one team +worthy and Micheal Cooper who is one of the best and smartest defenders of all time. the Bulls faced none of this caliber, especially in the east where they cake walked to the finals every year but one with jordan. Let's take a look at the toughest teams MJ had to go through to earn his titles in the east. the 1990s Knicks had one hall of famer Patrick Ewing a great defender but never in the conversation about great offensive centers. that was about it, Ewing had a bunch of role players. Oakley, Rivers, Starks, Mark Jackson, Xavier Mcdaniel, Greg Anthony, Anthony Mason, none of these players are hall of famers. the 1990s Knicks were great on defense but their offense was always near the bottom of the league throughout the 1990s. The 1991 Pistons: that year the Pistons would have gave MJ and his Bulls a fight if Isiah Thomas had not broke his wrist, Thomas missed 32 games during the season and 1 game during the playoffs to do his broken wrist that affected him in the playoffs. During the 1990s the guards of the Celtics, the Pistons, the Lakers were old and injured, also affected by the expansion overtaken by the younger teams. clearly these were not the same caliber teams of the 1980s. the 1991 Celtics started the season 29-5 before Bird and later Mchale went down. was this because the 1991 Celtics were such a great team ? No, this Celtics team would have not competed in the 1980s. they got a 56-26 record despite injuries of Bird and Mchale because expansion teams boosted up their win column. If Bird and Mchale didnt go down with injuries they would have won the 1991 title. the 1991 championship was ripe for the taking because of the expansion teams. The Indiana Pacers: when your best player is a 3 point shooter that plays little defense, you know you aint gonna make much of a dent in the playoffs. Reggie Miller is an outside shooter, a hall of famer, Chris Mullin is also a hall of famer and an outside shooter but not a good defender. you can say this was a cake walk for the Bulls. The Cavs: there were no hall of famers and this was the same Cavs team that lost to the bulls in 1994 without MJ. The Magic: one of the few good teams MJ faced in the east. Shaq was a legit big man, grant was a great inside defender and rebounder, Hardaway was a very good guard before his injuries, they beat the Bulls in 1995. in 1996 Bulls faced the Magic again but this time Bulls had Rodman. Grant was fighting an elbow injury the entire playoffs. the Bulls again caught a break and the Magic are left without their best interior defender and 2nd leading rebounder. unfortunately for the Magic in 1996 Grant was injured in the 1st game and didnt play the remainder of the series. it was Shaq and Penny vs MJ Pippen Rodman, The Bulls won in 1996. Now MJ's competition in the finals: the 1991 Lakers were not even a little bit close to the 1980s Showtime Lakers. no Kareem arguably a top 5 player of all time, a huge presence in the low post, no Micheal Cooper who is considered by many the greatest defender in nba history, in their place there was Sam Perkins a 7 footer that played more behind the 3 point line than he did in the paint and he was a labeled as a soft defender in his career, he flopped and didnt play much defense. an intimidating front line, they were not. despite all this, Magic would have had a chance to beat the Bulls if James Worthy didnt suffer a high sprain ankle against the Blazers, Worthy no longer had quickness or lateral movement for the remainder of the playoffs, the injury affected him throughout the finals, Byron Scott also went down with an injury late in the
finals against the Bulls and couldnt play in game 5, Worthy also missed game 5. so basically it was Bulls vs Magic and Magic put up a good fight than MJ would have put if the roles were reversed.
1992 : Blazers: they had one hall of famer: Clyde Drexler and umm... well yeah thats all they had, not much competition at all. blazers also had no inside presence to speak of, a recurring theme in mjs finals matchups, easy ring for mj.
1993:Pheonix Suns: Barkley is a great hofer but he only had KJ on his team, a decent player but no hofer, again no post defense on the suns. tallest player for them was Tom Chambers 6'10" one of the softest defenders of all time. this isnt even the best team barkley played on, the 1985 and 1986 sixers with Dr J, Malone, Cheeks, and Barkley would have wiped the floor with 1993 Bulls and Suns. 1990s teams sucked, the 1993 Suns may have won 62 games against the expansion league but they would struggle to a .500 record in the 80s.
1996 sonics they had hofer Gary Payton a great defender and good scorer, they also had Shawn Kemp a player that would show up fat and out of shape at summer camps. so the sonics had a good defender and a lazy underachiever. Sonics had no inside defensive presence. MJ is free to cake walk to the basket all series. Sonics won 64 games, but its easy to win that number of games in a chump expansion league, they wouldnt have hit .500 in 1986, can you say "no competition".
1997 Utah Jazz: many jockers point to the finals against the Jazz as evidence the Bulls would have beaten the 1980s teams. well in fact the Jazz did have 2 hall of famers: John Stockton and Karl Malone who are also 2 of the 50 greatest players in nba history. lets compare:we have Malone Stockton of the 1980s vs Malone Stockton of the 1990s, I'll call this one a draw. at the forward position jazz had thurl bailey a 6'11" powerful and quick forward. the 1990s Jazz had Bryon Russell who didnt even average double figures in ppg for his career. Bailey was a better scorer, better low post defender, better rebounder, averages more assists per game than Bryon Russell. Bailey wins hands down. at center the 1980s Jazz had Mark Eaton who is 7'4", the greatest shot blocker in the modern basketball era. Eaton once averaged 5.6 blocks per game in a single season still a record that stands. all time he averages 3.5 blocks per game wich is also a record that still stands today. the 1990s Jazz had Greg Ostertag, or maybe POSTERtag. the 1980s Jazz would have destroyed MJ and his Bulls. why ? because the 1980s Jazz wich mark Eaton in the lineup gave the 1980s Jordan fits. from 1985 to 1993 the Jazz with mark eaton were 9-7 against mjs Bulls. there would be no waltzing into the lane for MJ against Eaton and Bailey like he did to Ostertag and Bryon Russell. the 1987 Jazz took the LA Lakers to 7 games, you think the 1997 Jazz could do that ? the 1980s Jazz would have destroyed the 1990s Jazz. so we see again, a weak inside presence of the Utah Jazz wich gives MJ 2 more easy rings.
@@dynamic6645 In 1991, the Bulls destroyed the Lakers so I don't see what you're talking about there. Lakers at best could have won 2 games that series. And sure Paxson hit the game winner against the Suns but even if they lost that game there would have been a game 7. Chicago beat the Suns the first 2 games at home, they could have still won game 7.
Lebron always needed to stack his teams to win so I don't know why people always regard him as the greatest or second greatest ever. His legacy is nowhere as great as so many of the other greatest to play. His 2 Heat championships are a joke since he had 2 other all stars on the one championship & for the other he had 2 all stars plus the greatest 3 point shooter of all time at that point in time on his team. He also choked bad against the Mavericks which right then automatically never allowed him to be the greatest ever. Than he won against the Warriors due to some bs Draymond Green suspension. Warriors likely would have won in 5 games that series. Than the lame bubble championship was the other one. Jordan's record is almost completely clean in terms of his legacy. The only two knocks I hold against him is that he shouldn't of retired 3 different times & he should have beat the Pistons in 1990. Lebron is one of the greatest individual players of all time but there's way too many things you can hold against him in terms of his legacy for him to ever be the greatest.
You do you even know how hard is to keep wining at the pick? That's hard!