Brave Fart to be fair, Olajuwon is better than everyone on that panel. If there was someone to be carried by, it’d be Hakeem. Strong, physical, quick, and agile. He had every move in his book. Face you up. Back you down. Fade away, hook shot, cross up bigs then drive it. Great passer out of the post. Not to mention he leads the league in blocks and he’s not even 7ft. And he’s top 10 in steals as a big.
😏 You all notice how the former role players Kenny Smith and Steve Kerr were the cheerleaders for super teams ✅ That's because they have a dishonorable mercenary mindset ✅ Whereas Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller among others were the cheerleaders against super teams ✅ That's because an honorable soldier mindset ✅ Soldiers are usually loyalists, but mercenaries are always opportunists ✅
+Justin Woodson The difference with Golden State is that Steph, Clay, Draymond, and Harrison Barnes were all draft picks that Golden State would build into the team they are
😏 You notice how the former role players Kenny Smith and Steve Kerr were the cheerleaders for super teams ✅ That's because they have a dishonorable mercenary mindset ✅ Whereas Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller among others were the cheerleaders against super teams ✅ That's because an honorable soldier mindset ✅ Soldiers are usually loyalists, but mercenaries are always opportunists ✅
Reggie Miller showed why he's a hall of famer. This guy showed on the court that he wanted to beat the best guys in bigger markets with a small market team. Players don't have Reggie's mentality anymore. One of my all time favorites.
And for all that no one will remember him because he isn't a winner. All these old heads talk about rings and put so much importance on it so when the new gen takes matters into their own hands to give them the best chance to win they complain like they didn't do no wrong. They have that owner-player mentality, I'm glad players have more control in this day and age.
😏 You all notice how the former role players Kenny Smith and Steve Kerr were the cheerleaders for super teams ✅ That's because they have a dishonorable mercenary mindset ✅ Whereas Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller among others were the cheerleaders against super teams ✅ That's because an honorable soldier mindset ✅ Soldiers are usually loyalists, but mercenaries are always opportunists ✅
😧 Exactly❗😏 You all notice how the former role players Kenny Smith and Steve Kerr were the cheerleaders for super teams ✅ That's because they have a dishonorable mercenary mindset ✅ Whereas Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller among others were the cheerleaders against super teams ✅ That's because they have an honorable soldier mindset ✅ Soldiers are usually loyalists, but mercenaries are always opportunists ✅
all this is about pride rly and u know what they say about pride. those dudes pride got the result of having no rings. sticking up for bad management. like steve kerr said it aint football. its not like youll have 3 mvp qtr backs on the same team. they totally leave out key reasons of how those teams win championships. whether there were injuries or missed calls its not like one person can do it all. u need a fully functioning team.
@@warrent5587 Terrible analogy. Wilt Chamberlain got tired of losing to Bill Russell, so he joined a 52 win lakers team with Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, and Archie Clark (averaged 20 for the team). Super teams have been around since the 60s into the 2000s. Kareem didn’t want to keep losing on the Bucks anymore, demanded a trade to Los Angeles. Moses Malone got tired of losing on the Rockets, so he went to the 76ers with Dr J, Bobby Jones, and Maurice Cheeks with Charles Barkley coming in the 1984 draft 😂 Shaq was tired of losing and being less favored than Penny in Orlando so he left to LA. Enough with this old person mentality, maybe grow up and learn to accept change because all your favorite legends eventually gave up on their franchise. (Don’t forget Clyde Drexler gave up on the Blazers and went to Houston to win a ring) also did you just forget the 2008 Celtics? Two players (who were faces of their franchises) teaming up with another face of a franchise (Paul Pierce). Yet I bet you didn’t bat an eye at that one either. Or the Pistons in 04 (Ben Wallace came from the Bullets, Chauncey came from the T-Wolves, and Richard Hamilton came from the Bullets as well). Get. Schooled. Old. Man.
@@TheKiid810 there's a lot of controversy over one of the members of that michigan team that Chris Webber was in. I'm not sure if it was the coach or another staff member, but the dude was basically running a secret gambling ring. He would have players go over to his house and give them a shit ton of money. Chris Webber was one of those players. It's not proven that he would have them fix games so that he would win his bets, but there are theories that Chris may have been a part of throwing games for that guy. Although nothing is proven, besides the money issue.
😏 You all notice how the former role players Kenny Smith and Steve Kerr were the cheerleaders for super teams ✅ That's because they have a dishonorable mercenary mindset ✅ Whereas Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller among others were the cheerleaders against super teams ✅ That's because they have an honorable soldier mindset ✅ Soldiers are usually loyalists, but mercenaries are always opportunists ✅
Of course Kenny is going to have that perspective. He wasn't a SUPER star so he doesn't have that same mentality. Kenny knew he NEEDED Hakeem to win a championship. To be on a SUPER team you need to be a SUPER star and Kenny wasn't one so he definitely understands trying to bounce around and get on the right team to win a ring bc thats the ONLY way he could've done it, whereas the other men were actual SUPER stars and franchise players
nick reilly you're right they weren't good lol but that didn't make Jordan want to leave. He has a super star mentality he knows that he can get the best out of what he has, make them better and get a ring. Kenny got a ring bc Hakeem had that mentality.
+Batman exactly. You had obviously the bulls of MJ, but then ny with Ewing, Indiana with Reggie, orlando with shaq, detroit with hill, seattle with kemp and payton, the jazz of stockton malone, the suns of charles, spurs of robinson, houston with hakeem...lots of team were great and had allstars, now you have only 3-4 teams at best competing...the nba got worse in many levels
+Primetime Sanders I love how he just sits back and takes in the arguments, says the least and yet still makes the most cohesive argument. The guy knows that the NBA is a business.
Kenny's opinion came from a role players perspective, he doesn't understand the weight of a City, a state, a Franchise, on his shoulders. Steve Kerr brought up some good points from a business perspective but I agree with C-Webb; Lebron, Wade and Bosh were all in the peak of their careers, literally of the same draft class. They were supposed to be Rivals... And in case some people aren't aware - Carmelo was supposed to go to Miami instead of Bosh but was tied up contractually due to his own mistakes. These guys had colluded months, possibly years, in advance to take over the league. When people point to the old school 'Super Teams', they're really looking at organisational success through the draft and through trades. Free Agency is totally different as the team loses everything and in most cases has to start back up from scratch. This is not to say Free Agency is bad, but the manipulation of it like what happened in Miami, I believe, is a terrible precedent purely because they were all in their prime, and all Franchise players - Wade and Lebron were already future HOF'ers at that point and still in their prime.
@Gage Myers If you can't understand the difference between teams drafting and trading versus players colluding to team up then there's nothing more I can say. There's a huge element of luck and randomness from drafting and in trading a team has to give up assets. When 3 of the top 5 players at the time collude to all move to 1 team in their primes its a near guaranteed situation, and if you don't see the problem with that in competitive team sports then you need to check your bias. The same people who dont have a problem with the Miami team up have massive issues with KD's decision. Both were bad for the league, and extremely anti competitive moves. FA isnt bad but when its abused it can be horrible. The only thing that stops it from going too out of control is the salary cap and star players not deciding to take 10-20 mill less but its only a matter of time until that happens.
@Gage Myers A player should be able to go where they want to, if the team wants them, when they're a free agent. The only issue I have is when that freedom is abused and players destroy the competitive balance. They put rules in place stop teams from doing that as much as possible. KD made GSW unbeatable outside of injuries and LeBron basically got rid of all his competition in the East for 8 years.
@@ShutThePuck LeBron got rid of all his competition in the East? How exactly did he do that? By having Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving as teammates? That seems pretty silly. What about 2018, when he was alone?
Gotta love those unions, man. They love to screw up every business. If the players' union didn't exist in the NBA, or didn't have so much power, you wouldn't see super teams or all the social justice bullshit. And the league would be wayyyyyyy better off
I loved Reggies comment. It's hard for small market teams to win when all the best players want to play in Miami or with the Lakers or Celtics or Warriors or maybe even Philly. That's hard to compete against
Hansen Noah ikr? He made the most sense. I bet you if they had the chance to play with the best players they would. If they could get the best players they would.
Dude he played with the Bulls and Spurs. I think he knows what he should talk about. Kenny on the other hand is trying to say they had super teams all the time which is true. Chris and Charles were telling him the new super teams are joining up with each other in free agency and trades like the Heat, Cavs, and Knicks rather than getting drafted by their teams like the Thunder and Warriors.
Wtf is this dumbass logic none of these motherfuckers are qualified to talk about what is good or bad for the league. Did they study economics, marketing ,and business in college? Because if they didn't none of them really know what they are talking about. Kenny atleast makes a valid point that is undisputable >.> Super teams have always been in basketball regardless of how they are made and they haven't hurt the league yet. All these other guys are just salty for no reason. Just because you don't like how something is done doesn't mean its bad.
+EyeAm Nobody the Warriors did build their team through the draft. tf? 4 of their starters last year were all drafted. don't blame them because they went after KD.
+filipinobruh90 they tried to trade half of their best players in the past. The tried to trade Steph, draymond and klay in the past but couldn't agree deals. They lucked into the team they have today
Kerr was right then and subsequently reaped the benefits of buying in now. He’s a HOF coach already from 4 years of coaching while managing a team full of future HOFers. He’s gonna get to 10 rings total before he hangs it up. Fantastic person and coach
Yea but how is it really good for the league when everyone wants to team up? That's no fun at all. As Reggie said, a lot of teams get short shafted. How many to guys went to play for the Pacers or the Spurs or the Bucks back then? It's not good for the league when guys join up
@@markwarner619 its good for the league when GMs make decisions but not players? Free agents always wanna play for the big market teams. Whatd you propose we do? Get rid of free agency all together and just have a player stay stuck on one team forever? Theres no solution
As fans though I gotta agree with C-Webb and Shaq here. I don't want to see best players in their prime collude to be on same teams and avoid competing against each other. I want to see them go at it year after year. That's what the game is all about
😏 You all notice how the former role players Kenny Smith and Steve Kerr were the cheerleaders for super teams ✅ That's because they have a dishonorable mercenary mindset ✅ Whereas Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller among others were the cheerleaders against super teams ✅ That's because they have an honorable soldier mindset ✅ Soldiers are usually loyalists, but mercenaries are always opportunists ✅
Most people really need to realize that they played team ball with a top 5 player, a excellent shooter without handles, and a great all around player and a great supporting cast.
I think Super Teams made by collusion, not by the draft or good trades is bad for the NBA. It turns winning the NBA Championship into a farce. I loved how the San Antonio Spurs beat the Miami Big 3 by working as a team. Another point: take the handcuffs off defensive players. Bring back hand-checking and eliminate the no-charge zone.
I think they should keep it in, like they have offensive three seconds. A defensive player can stand just outside of the box and still make a play, same as offense. My main complaints of the current game is modern defenses can't be aggressive with the current ruleset. I think Lebron is one of the best ball players I've ever seen, but I would love to see how he would do in 90's era Basketball rules. A pistons-era Dennis Rodman would be a very interesting matchup, for example.
@@brody.kg.5kg659 I'm not going to call him a bum. He was an excellent role player and early in his career he did average 20 ppg. But sometimes he does forget that he was never a great player just bc he won 2 rings. And u can thank Shaq for that
stanley derain I agree, although he was a solid player, he was never a leader/franchise player. So his mindset is completely different. He and Kerr are really the only one's that weren't franchise players on this panel.
Domini478 Steve Kerr was a GM of the suns during their best run in the last 20 years, He also made many a game wining shot, including in a game 7. Also who's the coach of the GSW? The man knows Basketball, period.
Domini478 My bad, he did. I take back what I say about Kenny but I would say Kerr did more. I still think both of them should be there, Kenny may be annoying but has some good stories and Kerr was funny as hell and had some great stories, also the only guy apart from C-Webb hat has any fucking manners.
I agree with Reggie’s “Small market impact” theory as well as Steve’s point on the attention super teams brought to the League. It’s great for the league, buts it’s bad for the other teams and their fan bases that are starving for a championship for their team. The knicks haven’t won a ring since the 70’s , if they don’t form something like a super team organically or even by players “teaming up” , the fan base might not see a ring in their life time, and that’s pretty sad to think about. One-star championship teams only come around once in a while.
Shaq said it best. Honestly, to this day, i still hate the collusion that took place in Miami, mainly between Lebron and Wade. Bosh could've gone to either Cleveland or Miami for all I care. But at the time, Lebron and Wade were perennial MVP candidates and brought out the best in each other whenever they faced off. So them teaming up was like if Bird and Magic would've teamed up in the 80's. While technically, there was nothing wrong with it, morally, it was slap in the face to anybody who knew what competition meant.
😏 You all notice how the former role players Kenny Smith and Steve Kerr were the cheerleaders for super teams ✅ That's because they have a dishonorable mercenary mindset ✅ Whereas Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller among others were the cheerleaders against super teams ✅ That's because an honorable soldier mindset ✅ Soldiers are usually loyalists, but mercenaries are always opportunists ✅
@@felipesilveira6301 😏 That's easy ✅ Dwyane and Chris Bosh could have joined up in Miami without Lebron James but still got surrounded by some skilled role players to make their team deeper ✅ Another possibility was that Lebron James and Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire could have joined up in New York without Dwyane Wade but still got surrounded by some skilled role players to make their team deeper ✅ Also the Spurs weren't all that stacked ❌ 2 out of their best 3 players were getting old or past their prime ✅ Tim Duncan was 34, and Manu Ginobili was 33 was in 2011 ✅
I’m glad Kenny played devil’s advocate cause it brewed a great conversation. Every one knows it’s a shame when competitors team up but it’s still fun to watch great teams.
Like what Zeke said, "Chuck, Reggie, CWebb" we're the carriers. And Kenny Smith was just riding the bus. It was Hakeem who dominated the '94 & '95 playoffs hence getting the Finals MVP on both.
+Shemzinho If we looking at the topic at hand (superstars teaming up to play together) then Kenny should probably shut up... but even though, he still has a point. Lebron had a right to leave Cleveland, everybody just hated the cockiness behind "I'm taking my talents to South Beach". Personally, i think LeBron shouldn't have left Cleveland in the 1st place and He definitely shouldn't have left Miami because he was playing his best basketball of his career
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS PRIDE IS NOT AN ISSUE ANYMORE. THE WHOLE SUPER TEAM IDEA IS MORALLY WRONG, LIKE AN UNWRITTEN RULE IN THE BASKETBALL WORLD. LOGICALLY IT IS THE MOST SENSIBLE THING TO DO BUT IF YOU ARE AREAL COMPETITOR, WHICH IS WHAT IS SHOULD BE ABOUT, YOU ARE TRYING TO WIN AGAINST THE BEST OF THE BEST NOT JOINING THE BEST OF THE BEST. THE WHOLE PLAYERS TAKING THEIR CAREERS INTO THEIR OWN HANDS, THAT IS CRAZY BECAUSE IF THAT WA THE CASE THEN THEY DO NOT NEED OWNERS, GMS, SCOUTS, OR EVEN OWNERS. PLAYERS TAKING THEIR CAREERS IN THEIR OWN HANDS IS PRACTICING, WORKING OUT, STUDYING GAME TAPE, LOOKIGN AT THE TEAM YOU HAVE AND HELPING THE THEIR GUYS WITH THEIR WEAKNESSES AND USING THEIR STRENGTHS. THAT IS TAKING YOUR CAREER IN YOUR HANDS. THIS WHOLE SUPER TEAM THING, AND I MEAN IT IN THE WAY THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, IS BASICALLY CHEATING
YES AND THEY ALL DID AT THE END OF THEIR CAREER, A FINAL MEASURE IF YOU WILL. BUT I GUARANTEE THEY WOULD HAVE NEVER DONE IT AT THE PRIMES OF THEIR CAREERS. SIMILAR TO RAY ALLEN, PAUL PIECE AND KG. THEY WAITED UNTIL THE DOWN SIDE OF THEIR CAREERS.
Kenny is correct. Magic had Kareem, Bob McAdoo, Jamal Wilkes, James Worthy, etc and even nice starters like Byron Scott, AC Green, Norm Nixon, Michael Thompson, etc.
Like Kenny you’re misunderstanding the point. This “superteam” didn’t form by superstars in their prime joining each other. Kareem came early when the Lakers had nobody. Magic and Worthy were drafted and McAdoo was a role player at the end of his career. Rest of the guys were drafted too. Shaq literally said this towards the end lol
Only the great players like Shaq, Barkley, Miller, Webber has the right to comment on this topic. I love Miller's words:"I wanted to beat Michael Jordan!" Nothing but respect to him
Reggie wanted to beat his sister too and never could. Lost to every great backcourt player of his era. Barkley, Webber,Shaq and Miller are what many refer to as company men. They are not guys who were intelligent nor independent enough to think outside of their brainwashing.
@@cortezfernandez7475 Not true, his comments about Cheryl being the better player predate his time in the NBA and I think they predate his time in college.
@@cortezfernandez7475 It wasn't until his sister was a freshman the University of Southern California that he caught up with her physically. When she came home for Christmas vacation she noticed that he had grown much taller. A growth spurt had pushed him past her 6-foot-2, heading toward an eventual height of 6-foot-7. He suggested they play one-on-one on the old rosebush court. She agreed. First time she drove to the basket, he blocked her shot. Second time, same result. Third time? There was no third time. No, I'm NOT mistaken, unless he was joking about it (note he would have been a senior in High School at the time).
I liked what Coach Kerr had to said. I'm pretty sure now he might say there are 12* players who make a difference in this league the new two are probably Steph Curry and Klay Thompson lol.
KENNY .... TALKS TO DAMN MUCH ANDTHE LOUD HE GETS THE MORE HE THINKS HE'S RIGHT ..... TYPICAL NEW YORKER... THE ONLY THING THAT WAS MISSING FROM THIS CONVERSATION WAS SOMEBODY TELLING KENNY SHUT THE FUCK UP
ekb0106 the Spurs are the only other team in the nba I hate to see fail(Besides my Celtics) because of their complete dominance. But if they were to meet my Celtics in the finals, oh they gotta go down, sweep, out in 5 I don’t care, Celtics gotta get that trophy fam lmao
Then you are misguided and don't understand what a market is. There is a reason San Antonio doesn't have an MLB or NFL team. And it's not because they're in a big market.
Kerr is absolutely right about 10 guys who can make a difference. For example, when Igoudala went to Denver, their defense improved greats and did well in the playoffs. He leaves and they are one of the worst teams in the league. He went to Golden State and they go all out to the second round the first year, second year, he won finals mvp. Proof of that.
I hate how Steve Kerr and the Warriors get labeled as a super team. You guys do realize besides when they got Durant they literally drafted Curry, Klay, Draymond, Harrison Barnes and turned the franchise around.
Kenny doesn't want to hear the question. He keeps making arguments as to why it's OK for players to do what they do. Steve Kerr had the same answer as Kenny but at least, he truly stuck to the question.
😏 You all notice how the former role players Kenny Smith and Steve Kerr were the cheerleaders for super teams ✅ That's because they have a dishonorable mercenary mindset ✅ Whereas Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller among others were the cheerleaders against super teams ✅ That's because they have an honorable soldier mindset ✅ Soldiers are usually loyalists, but mercenaries are always opportunists ✅
@@warrent5587 What did Chuck do as soon as he was able to leave? Did he not join other stars? People say "but those guys were old by then." but conveniently omit the fact that it's because players didn't have the freedom to move early in their career. Heck, he constantly laments the fact that Shaq had the blessing of playing with someone of Kobe and DWade calibers. Old heads need to spare us their holier than thou mindset.
What does being a star have 2 do with knowing the economic, marketing, and buisness elements that go behind what is good or bad for the league. You people are idiots being a "star player" is irrelevant yet you idiots bring it up.
Kenny is making himself look pretty bad in this, i know hes not a leader of the team, hes a role player, but lets take that aside. hes making himself look stupid cuz he keep raising his voice n try to over talk others when others have a point
No he's not. He actually has a point. The question was whether super teams are good or bad but everyone else is focusing on how they're made as opposed to whether they're good or bad
Shaq made a good point. I cant stand super teams that are forced in this era of basketball today. Kenny is blowing smoke out of his ass. Kerr and c web also made a points too. I like what Webber said about Tim Duncan.
I disagree. I don't see anything wrong with players taking there futures into there own hands. Why is it OK for owners and GMs to control players but it's not OK for players to say "fuck that" I'm gonna play were I want with who I want?
marblee I think what "old school" players without rings have that the newer generation of players WITH rings have is there morals. In their minds, they feel like going through the ups and downs on 1 team, is morally better than jumping to a team with talented players, or calling up your free agent superstar friend and saying, "Let's form a super team". Morally, to the older generation of players, it's immoral. But I honestly feel like it's just hate. If Reggie and Michael would have gotten together in Chicago, MJ might have 8 rings and Reggie could have two. Would he say it's morally wrong to join up w/ superstars then? Most likely not, cause he would have 2 rings to show for it. I personally admire players like Kobe who choose to stay on a team that they have major success with and major collapses with. But you can't hate on any player who chooses to go to a team with talented players and major upside. Or who has the saavy to hit up his free agent buddies to form a "super team". It just shows the great lenghts these guys go through to try to win. Isn't that the ultimate goal at the end of the day?
Edward Okonta Its not even hate, merely a disagreement. And as far as them going to "great lengths" to win, it seems that you're implying that they swallowed their pride or something to join forces. I think teaming up shows a bit of lack in pride and confidence in their former organizations. I'm talking about particularly Bosh and James. Wade just went "All right!" so that's cool.
King Nyrd if you were LeBron James would you have pride or confidence in a organization that can't get even a lower level NBA STAR.Before he got to Miami the second best player he played with was Mo Williams, how are you supposed to win a title with Mo Williams as your second best player. Chris Bosh never played with anyone good.
marblee 1. I would have stayed to see if the organization got their act together. Cleveland and Toronto (I think) are low market teams so it isn't a shock that they couldn't get more talent. Doesn't mean they never would have. But I would have stayed with pride of winning against the best with the team that chose me out of so many other players in the draft to help them to victory. Hell, Reggie did it. 2. You can win with Mo Williams. Its not only about talent. Cohesion and chemistry are crucial. 3. Not really attacking their decisions, just calling it like I see it.
If your contract ends and you’re a free agent you have the right to go wherever you want especially if you’ve been carrying a bad team for years and there’s no help or vision you need to go for the best chance to win a championship
+Brandon James The Lakers didn't have any superstar players at the time. Reasons he left was big money deal, acting career(lol), and bringing back LAL to what they once were. He also didn't get along with Penny as well.
+2WubWub2 He does and he also praises Kobe these days. But back then they had some friction, though not to the extent of Shaq and Kobe's in those times.
Reggie Miller is 100% right. Though the NBA is more like the NFL allowing smaller market teams to compete, since they have salary cap vs. MLB - which is a total unfair $ Bucks fest.
I liked how back then almost each team had that STAR player. Bulls:Jordan Pacers:Reggie Miller Knicks: Pat Ewing Suns:Barkley Jazz:Stockton & Malone Rockets: Hakeem Spurs: David Robinson Timberwolves:Kevin Garnett 76ers:Allen Iverson Lakers:Shaq & Kobe Hornets:Glen Rice Sonics:Gary Payton Kings:Mitch Richmond Heat:Morning & Hardaway Like more teams had star players & were stacked with good competition. Now it's like just 4-6 teams u know will go far that u just don't care about the game as much anymore
@@T3l3MuNd0 subhuman logic suns have booker. Lakers have lebron. Bulls have Lavine. 76ers have embiid. Celtics have jayson Tatum. Warriors have steph. The nets have Kevin Durant. Nuggets have Jokic. Jazz have Donovan Mitchell. Hawks have trae young. Hornets have Lamelo ball who’s entertaining as hell and won rookie of the year. Timber wolves have KAT and Edwards. The clippers have Kawhi and PG. Milwaukee has the two time MVP giannis Mavs Have Luka. Trailblazers HAVE DAMIAN LILLARD. Like dawg your a dimbass these are all veery high money making players thay ever nba fans knows is great
@@davidjackson9680 3 of those teams u mentioned were from free agency trades. both LA teams & the Bronx Nets. Having KD, Uncle Drew, Harden, Blake Griffin, & DeAndre Jordan in a starting 5? That's just an all-star team on 1 full team. The Clippers have Kawhi, PG-13, Rondo, & Cousins. Again all-star Each of those players were in other teams through drafts. Just like the stars u mentioned. Most were from getting drafted there, they play hard & become the face/leader of the team. What older fans & players don't like is that a NBA player gets drafted, works hard, becomes a star, team goes to the playoffs, they get eliminated not once. But over & over again. That even though they're the leader of the team, they'd rather join another team with "better stars" & most likely having a better chance so they can get a ring... That's called a "Super team" & also before you write that I'm a "dumbass" can you please spell it right. Because rather than me being ☹😟🙁 I couldn't help but 🤣😂😭 So 🖕 & 👊🎤⬇️
I'm with Kenny on this. I think it's easier for Shaq to speak that way, but Shaq got traded to the second biggest dynasty in the league, and ust happened to get Kobe. Accidental? Sure, so it fits. Shaq however, very clearly stated he would go to Miami and help Wade "get his." Wade and Shaq hardly make a "super team" but the concept was the same. Nobody is really mad with Bosh, Toronto has a history of losing superstars. As LeBron though, I would have left. He was back to back MVP, yes. Made it to the Finals one year, yes. But then the team receded again. As a player, I want to be one of the best, so I'm watching those before me and I'm thinking "What if we Pippen never comes into his own? What if we never draft Tony Parker or Mark Aguirre?" Does Isaiah still get his? Or does he become Allen Iverson? Does MJ become Tracy McGrady? I don't want to be the best to never do it. A player's primary goal is to WIN. Cleveland and Toronto had time to get somebody, anybody. They didn't. Or if you think they did then they became a less heralded Clippers. Got Chris Paul and still couldn't get there. He chose to cement his legacy and not wait until he was 38, and then could maybe push something out the tank. Instant gratification or not, when I hang up my sneaks, I want to be able to look at my hand and se at least one.
And look at the nba now Kenny was ultimately right and so was Reggie. The league is full of super teams and that’s all that major media networks like esos and fox sports talk about is Lakers nets Denver Celtics clippers bucks 76rs jazz etc. the league ultimately has benefited from player’s teaming up
thats why i feel happy for him...kerr is smart and nice....c webb reggie barkley are just bitter...kerr did what lebron did and basically jumped from the cavs who always lost to the mj bulls for a chance to win....in his prime and its no guarantee
Kenny is absolutely right with the reasoning that there have always been super teams, its only a problem for these old-timers when the players organise it. These new-age players arent some puppets for franchises that mostly wont bat an eyelid if an injury takes them out of the league, they're crafting their own legacy and destiny.
@@JayArh41 it's not about cake walks, teams try to make moves to get the best contenders on their team to make the championships. The only team you can say that had a 'cake walk' was gsw. And that move was initiated by the team. I'm saying wat Kenny said was right. Players are doing what's teams have already being doing.
@@JayArh41 I think players need a balance of both, if you're a top 5 player and your team is a mess, it actually benefits the league to go to a another team that will help you compete. Though Jordan is the goat, he wouldn't have been able to do what he did single-handedly. He would hv been the best player without a ring and that would hv killed him.
I hear you.. but at the same time, what's better.. the dude putting the game first or the dude putting the money first? Everyone wants to win. Not everyone is ready to sacrifice EVERYTHING to get to the top of the game.
Don't mind Kenny Smith. If you replace him with his team leader Hakeem Olajuwon, he would agree with the panel. Look what he told the USA Today: "That’s the dilemma the league has to balance to make sure each team at least has the opportunity to have a superstar and has the opportunity to be a championship contender. That’s the goal of every team, but now the quality of players, true franchise players, is less than what it was… “There are superstars and then there are franchise players,” Olajuwon said. “There are superstars in their own right, but a franchise player is a player who can carry his team to the next level. There are always very few of those in any era, true franchise players. Once you have that player, you can build your team around him. Today, the ones who are franchise players are teaming up together, which makes it more difficult for the teams without a superstar or a franchise player. “I think in time, when you have guys coming from college who have the potential to be a superstar, they’re going to be drafted by a losing team that can then ultimately be a contender, and that’s what we need to see more of. We need to see college players who are superstars or can be franchise caliber players who can take those teams from being average teams to being a contender."
Kenny has a point about 5 or 6 teams having a chance to win. However...he failed to mentioned that the 80s and 90s had 5 to 10 more good teams..and in 2012...you got 2 or 3 more good teams.
90s yes, but not true at all about the 80s. The Lakers never had real competition in the West. It took individual greatness from Moses and Hakeem on inferior teams to keep L.A. from making the Finals every year. And the only consisent competition the Celtics had in the East was the 76ers the first half of the 80s and the Pistons the second half of the 80s.
Excuse me Kenny which franchise did you carry? Like you were A ROLE PLAYER you don't have no say in this thats why Steve for the most of the time kept his mouth shut he was A ROLE PLAYER....His ego isn't as large as your...smh.
@@hollywoodmoltisanti2509 Okay genius, show me the rulebook that says only superstars can have an opinion. Explain how superstars "carry" a franchise but the franchise is still there long after the so called superstar is gone. Use your brain, don't believe everything you're told.
@@xman9190 With all due respect,we also need to consider the fact that Kenny was not a leader for his team,unlike c webb,who was the leader of the 2002 kings team, so maybe in a situation like that,Kenny shouldn't really be interfering with this topic.
Most of us feel the same way about this. Just like Shaq said, if a team comes together naturally/coincidentally/accidentally, then most of us don't have a problem with it, it's only when people like Lebron say, "Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh are in Miami, I want to get me some rings" then it becomes dishonorable. I don't know the backroom details of how Garnett and Allen got together with Paul Pierce in Boston, but if calls were made by them to come together, then that's dishonorable too. It stretches the smaller "markets" and less wealthy teams thin. Part of the reason why I stopped watching baseball was because I got tired of watching the league and the media focus on the Yankees vs Redsox, almost as if they were setting it up.
The celtics got kg and Ray via trades, they got rid of everyone except rondo and perkins, okc got harden and Jeff green with bostons picks, and minesota got like 12 players for kg lol including Al Jeferson
Yeah, that's part of why I stopped watching basketball (and essentially other sports, as well), too. Trades are one thing. But when a (very good - superstar level) player becomes a free agent and you (another superstar player) convince him to join you, that's wrong. I have a respect for Reggie Miller now when he said he wanted to beat Jordan. How can you prove you're the best in the game when you lace up with the very players you should be competing against? Just because you win the title? That don't make sense. If I was Lebron, I would have done my best wherever I was and/or whoever I played with - whether it was in a small market or a big market. I was actually rooting for Lebron when Cleveland drafted him. I was rooting for him to be great and win as many titles as Jordan (or almost as many). Even if he failed to win as many (or even ANY titles), I still would've respected Lebron because he gave it his all to do the best he could for his home team. Unfortunately, he couldn't do that.
Steve Kerr so quiet he was already planning that Kevin Durant deal
He's not even coaching at this point!
if he coaches the pacers in 2021 imma give u a medal
Steve look so uncomfortable, though this whole segment i mean look at 7:44
lmao!!!
yap, damn warriors, they already had great team, they still got KD.
Steve Kerr "are super teams great for the league ? absolutely "
later gets 4 superstars on one 1 team. smart man
5 superstars
rashawn thompson now its 5
Only 2 cousins and durant. Steph klay and draymond were draftees
Ivan Rae Abines even that is crazy, imagine 2 superstars jus joining thr chicago bulls or something...its still forced
Draymond Green is a fringe all star... far from superstar
Kenny acting like he was a superstar 😂😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭
no he just has a different opinion...
💀💀💀💀💀
+Bmore24 t agree
+Bmore24 t he has a different opinion because he doesn't know what it's like to carry a team. Lol EVERYONE else except for Kerr have dealt with that
+MorphLegacy it still had nothing to do with the question
Cwebb crushed kenny when he said "you talking to players who led their team..
+Callix Castillo He ain't lying
Exactly. It must be great to be carried.
Brave Fart to be fair, Olajuwon is better than everyone on that panel. If there was someone to be carried by, it’d be Hakeem. Strong, physical, quick, and agile. He had every move in his book. Face you up. Back you down. Fade away, hook shot, cross up bigs then drive it. Great passer out of the post. Not to mention he leads the league in blocks and he’s not even 7ft. And he’s top 10 in steals as a big.
@@FecalMatador yeah charles barkley and shaq would be spot up shooters with hakeem....foh
😏 You all notice how the former role players Kenny Smith and Steve Kerr were the cheerleaders for super teams ✅ That's because they have a dishonorable mercenary mindset ✅ Whereas Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller among others were the cheerleaders against super teams ✅ That's because an honorable soldier mindset ✅ Soldiers are usually loyalists, but mercenaries are always opportunists ✅
I wonder if Steve Kerr knew he would be coaching the ultimate super team of this generation
Well I should say imagine
+Justin Woodson He did not take NYK job for a reason he knew he needed talent.
+Justin Woodson The difference with Golden State is that Steph, Clay, Draymond, and Harrison Barnes were all draft picks that Golden State would build into the team they are
Great team through the draft
the core of this team has been together for a long time you dummy. they just finally figured it out last year
Steve Kerr sitting there looking like mmmmmmmm I like the sound of a super team
😏 You notice how the former role players Kenny Smith and Steve Kerr were the cheerleaders for super teams ✅ That's because they have a dishonorable mercenary mindset ✅ Whereas Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller among others were the cheerleaders against super teams ✅ That's because an honorable soldier mindset ✅ Soldiers are usually loyalists, but mercenaries are always opportunists ✅
Reggie Miller showed why he's a hall of famer. This guy showed on the court that he wanted to beat the best guys in bigger markets with a small market team. Players don't have Reggie's mentality anymore. One of my all time favorites.
And for all that no one will remember him because he isn't a winner. All these old heads talk about rings and put so much importance on it so when the new gen takes matters into their own hands to give them the best chance to win they complain like they didn't do no wrong. They have that owner-player mentality, I'm glad players have more control in this day and age.
Butterbean They’re lying as well, it’s because back then it made more sense for them financially to stay with one team
Lol..
😏 You all notice how the former role players Kenny Smith and Steve Kerr were the cheerleaders for super teams ✅ That's because they have a dishonorable mercenary mindset ✅ Whereas Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller among others were the cheerleaders against super teams ✅ That's because an honorable soldier mindset ✅ Soldiers are usually loyalists, but mercenaries are always opportunists ✅
@@butterbean8881 🤔 Um. 🙋🏽♂️ I remember Reggie Miller.
C-Webb put Kenny in his place lol. "You talking to guys who had to lead their team and was on their back."
Why is Kenny here? Get GP or Tim or Penny Hardaway
Kenny there because he got 2 more rings then C-Webb
+Shakiero Hambrick thats because kenny was on hakeems back for those two finals
+Shakiero Hambrick All Kenny had to do was shoot spot up threes and memorize two plays: Hakeem left block, Hakeem right block
+AyrtonSennafan003 lmao
Shaq made a great point at the end.
Kenny just showed at the end the difference between a role player and a franchise player.
😧 Exactly❗😏 You all notice how the former role players Kenny Smith and Steve Kerr were the cheerleaders for super teams ✅ That's because they have a dishonorable mercenary mindset ✅ Whereas Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller among others were the cheerleaders against super teams ✅ That's because they have an honorable soldier mindset ✅ Soldiers are usually loyalists, but mercenaries are always opportunists ✅
@@warrent5587 great analogy
all this is about pride rly and u know what they say about pride. those dudes pride got the result of having no rings. sticking up for bad management. like steve kerr said it aint football. its not like youll have 3 mvp qtr backs on the same team. they totally leave out key reasons of how those teams win championships. whether there were injuries or missed calls its not like one person can do it all. u need a fully functioning team.
@@DrummerJay74 😄 Thank you!
@@warrent5587 Terrible analogy. Wilt Chamberlain got tired of losing to Bill Russell, so he joined a 52 win lakers team with Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, and Archie Clark (averaged 20 for the team). Super teams have been around since the 60s into the 2000s. Kareem didn’t want to keep losing on the Bucks anymore, demanded a trade to Los Angeles. Moses Malone got tired of losing on the Rockets, so he went to the 76ers with Dr J, Bobby Jones, and Maurice Cheeks with Charles Barkley coming in the 1984 draft 😂 Shaq was tired of losing and being less favored than Penny in Orlando so he left to LA. Enough with this old person mentality, maybe grow up and learn to accept change because all your favorite legends eventually gave up on their franchise. (Don’t forget Clyde Drexler gave up on the Blazers and went to Houston to win a ring) also did you just forget the 2008 Celtics? Two players (who were faces of their franchises) teaming up with another face of a franchise (Paul Pierce). Yet I bet you didn’t bat an eye at that one either. Or the Pistons in 04 (Ben Wallace came from the Bullets, Chauncey came from the T-Wolves, and Richard Hamilton came from the Bullets as well). Get. Schooled. Old. Man.
5:50 C-Webb making sure Kenny know he wasn't no star
Anwar Mapp yes sir
At least the jet was not involved in any game fixing
@@franka6790 cwebb wasnt either wtf u talking about lol
@@TheKiid810 there's a lot of controversy over one of the members of that michigan team that Chris Webber was in. I'm not sure if it was the coach or another staff member, but the dude was basically running a secret gambling ring. He would have players go over to his house and give them a shit ton of money. Chris Webber was one of those players. It's not proven that he would have them fix games so that he would win his bets, but there are theories that Chris may have been a part of throwing games for that guy. Although nothing is proven, besides the money issue.
😏 You all notice how the former role players Kenny Smith and Steve Kerr were the cheerleaders for super teams ✅ That's because they have a dishonorable mercenary mindset ✅ Whereas Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller among others were the cheerleaders against super teams ✅ That's because they have an honorable soldier mindset ✅ Soldiers are usually loyalists, but mercenaries are always opportunists ✅
Of course Kenny is going to have that perspective. He wasn't a SUPER star so he doesn't have that same mentality. Kenny knew he NEEDED Hakeem to win a championship. To be on a SUPER team you need to be a SUPER star and Kenny wasn't one so he definitely understands trying to bounce around and get on the right team to win a ring bc thats the ONLY way he could've done it, whereas the other men were actual SUPER stars and franchise players
No
The back back of the 1996 bulls sucked
nick reilly you're right they weren't good lol but that didn't make Jordan want to leave. He has a super star mentality he knows that he can get the best out of what he has, make them better and get a ring. Kenny got a ring bc Hakeem had that mentality.
Ama O The funny thing about Kenny is that he probably considers his 94-95 Rockets a super team. lol
+Ama O Steve Kerr?
+Ama O kennys right tho you idiot, there were super teams in the 80s as well
Kenny suffers from "fuck I'm wrong but I'll keep arguing my point cuz fuck being humble" syndrome
Hahahaha!!!
W
I suffer from the same illness im in rehab please be patient with us
dude im in that situation often haha.
no he has a different opinion why don't yall understand that?
what made the 2000s era so awesome was that each team hac its own fsce of the franchise. duels where everywhere
Josh Felicilda 2000s? What the hell are you talking about. That was the 1990s.
Every decade before 2010
+Batman exactly. You had obviously the bulls of MJ, but then ny with Ewing, Indiana with Reggie, orlando with shaq, detroit with hill, seattle with kemp and payton, the jazz of stockton malone, the suns of charles, spurs of robinson, houston with hakeem...lots of team were great and had allstars, now you have only 3-4 teams at best competing...the nba got worse in many levels
Josh Felicilda shhhh you tit
YYYYEEEESSSSS!!!! I loved to watch the game back then....not now tho....it's boring man
4:19 steve kerr is just drinking his tea thinking "just wait"
hurdler69 😂 beat me to it
Steve Kerr shut that shit down. You can tell he has more knowledge than the rest which is why he's a great coach now
+Jeremiah Alphabet I've never seen him be wrong. He's so on-point in everything.
He do be on point
+Primetime Sanders I love how he just sits back and takes in the arguments, says the least and yet still makes the most cohesive argument. The guy knows that the NBA is a business.
+Primetime Sanders You can tell the differences in ideas here. The stars don't feel like it's good, but the journeymen feel like it's ok.
he would never understand wanting to beat the best because he played with the best. he was lucky to not be in the bulls crosshairs.
C-Webb just killed The Jet with "Unlike you, at one point it was MY team(Kings)" that was so cold-blooded. I don't know whether to laugh or cringe.
He tried to explain nicely before, Kenny asked for it hahaha
He and Mike Bibby were the LEADERS of those Kings. Should've won a title
Kenny's opinion came from a role players perspective, he doesn't understand the weight of a City, a state, a Franchise, on his shoulders. Steve Kerr brought up some good points from a business perspective but I agree with C-Webb; Lebron, Wade and Bosh were all in the peak of their careers, literally of the same draft class. They were supposed to be Rivals... And in case some people aren't aware - Carmelo was supposed to go to Miami instead of Bosh but was tied up contractually due to his own mistakes. These guys had colluded months, possibly years, in advance to take over the league.
When people point to the old school 'Super Teams', they're really looking at organisational success through the draft and through trades. Free Agency is totally different as the team loses everything and in most cases has to start back up from scratch. This is not to say Free Agency is bad, but the manipulation of it like what happened in Miami, I believe, is a terrible precedent purely because they were all in their prime, and all Franchise players - Wade and Lebron were already future HOF'ers at that point and still in their prime.
@Gage Myers If you can't understand the difference between teams drafting and trading versus players colluding to team up then there's nothing more I can say. There's a huge element of luck and randomness from drafting and in trading a team has to give up assets. When 3 of the top 5 players at the time collude to all move to 1 team in their primes its a near guaranteed situation, and if you don't see the problem with that in competitive team sports then you need to check your bias. The same people who dont have a problem with the Miami team up have massive issues with KD's decision. Both were bad for the league, and extremely anti competitive moves. FA isnt bad but when its abused it can be horrible. The only thing that stops it from going too out of control is the salary cap and star players not deciding to take 10-20 mill less but its only a matter of time until that happens.
@Gage Myers A player should be able to go where they want to, if the team wants them, when they're a free agent. The only issue I have is when that freedom is abused and players destroy the competitive balance. They put rules in place stop teams from doing that as much as possible. KD made GSW unbeatable outside of injuries and LeBron basically got rid of all his competition in the East for 8 years.
@@ShutThePuck Social Media is what really ruined the NBA because now all the players are way more accessible to each other.
@@ShutThePuck LeBron got rid of all his competition in the East? How exactly did he do that? By having Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving as teammates? That seems pretty silly. What about 2018, when he was alone?
Gotta love those unions, man. They love to screw up every business. If the players' union didn't exist in the NBA, or didn't have so much power, you wouldn't see super teams or all the social justice bullshit. And the league would be wayyyyyyy better off
I loved Reggies comment. It's hard for small market teams to win when all the best players want to play in Miami or with the Lakers or Celtics or Warriors or maybe even Philly. That's hard to compete against
Kenny talking like he was a 1 or 2 on his team
This has been my favorite discussion out of all of the Open Courts...it's great to see what the veterans think on this subject.
Steve Kerr was very quiet because he knew he wasn't qualified to discuss much about this topic, Kenny Smith should also shut up
agreed Kenny act like he an Hall of famer
but when he spoke it made sense the most
Hansen Noah ikr? He made the most sense. I bet you if they had the chance to play with the best players they would. If they could get the best players they would.
Dude he played with the Bulls and Spurs. I think he knows what he should talk about. Kenny on the other hand is trying to say they had super teams all the time which is true. Chris and Charles were telling him the new super teams are joining up with each other in free agency and trades like the Heat, Cavs, and Knicks rather than getting drafted by their teams like the Thunder and Warriors.
Wtf is this dumbass logic none of these motherfuckers are qualified to talk about what is good or bad for the league. Did they study economics, marketing ,and business in college? Because if they didn't none of them really know what they are talking about. Kenny atleast makes a valid point that is undisputable >.> Super teams have always been in basketball regardless of how they are made and they haven't hurt the league yet. All these other guys are just salty for no reason. Just because you don't like how something is done doesn't mean its bad.
I'm here once again now that Durant is on the Warriors
I dont blame KD because Rings are Rings.
me too..i hate this super team bullshit. build your team through the draft
+EyeAm Nobody the Warriors did build their team through the draft. tf? 4 of their starters last year were all drafted. don't blame them because they went after KD.
+Deez n no they're not. If he wins next year, he won't be credited for no championships that he wins.
+filipinobruh90 they tried to trade half of their best players in the past. The tried to trade Steph, draymond and klay in the past but couldn't agree deals. They lucked into the team they have today
Kerr was right then and subsequently reaped the benefits of buying in now. He’s a HOF coach already from 4 years of coaching while managing a team full of future HOFers. He’s gonna get to 10 rings total before he hangs it up. Fantastic person and coach
Yea but how is it really good for the league when everyone wants to team up? That's no fun at all. As Reggie said, a lot of teams get short shafted. How many to guys went to play for the Pacers or the Spurs or the Bucks back then? It's not good for the league when guys join up
@@markwarner619 its good for the league when GMs make decisions but not players?
Free agents always wanna play for the big market teams.
Whatd you propose we do? Get rid of free agency all together and just have a player stay stuck on one team forever?
Theres no solution
As fans though I gotta agree with C-Webb and Shaq here. I don't want to see best players in their prime collude to be on same teams and avoid competing against each other. I want to see them go at it year after year. That's what the game is all about
The Heat monopolized the east
Facts.
@@dominiquejones3805 😏 True ✅
😏 You all notice how the former role players Kenny Smith and Steve Kerr were the cheerleaders for super teams ✅ That's because they have a dishonorable mercenary mindset ✅ Whereas Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller among others were the cheerleaders against super teams ✅ That's because they have an honorable soldier mindset ✅ Soldiers are usually loyalists, but mercenaries are always opportunists ✅
And the sport, the teams, and everything about the NBA is about the fans. Without fans what do you have?
The Warriors were not a super team cause Draymond, Klay, and Steph were all drafted to Golden State but Durant joining them made them a Super Team.
Most people really need to realize that they played team ball with a top 5 player, a excellent shooter without handles, and a great all around player and a great supporting cast.
Then they added Demarcus and made a super-duper team
@@RJAPR2034 demarcus hasnt even played yet we dont know if he is a good fit
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agree....all bronsexual made it an excuses 😂😂
I think Super Teams made by collusion, not by the draft or good trades is bad for the NBA.
It turns winning the NBA Championship into a farce. I loved how the San Antonio Spurs beat the Miami Big 3 by working as a team.
Another point: take the handcuffs off defensive players. Bring back hand-checking and eliminate the no-charge zone.
Tom B agree and agree but it will reduces the point guard explosiveness like in old school era.
And you will have injury prone players :)
alienboyguitar
but without the rules there has already injury prone players. Today players actually being hurt by themselves. lol
What do you think about eliminating defensive 3 seconds?
I think they should keep it in, like they have offensive three seconds.
A defensive player can stand just outside of the box and still make a play, same as offense.
My main complaints of the current game is modern defenses can't be aggressive with the current ruleset. I think Lebron is one of the best ball players I've ever seen, but I would love to see how he would do in 90's era Basketball rules.
A pistons-era Dennis Rodman would be a very interesting matchup, for example.
Kenny is a real one !!! The only one on the panel that tried to explain that the players took control over their own destiny .
Kenny was going so hard, I literally said out loud "Shut the hell up Kenny! "
He is extremely annoying. Acting like he is some great, nah he was a bum
@@brody.kg.5kg659 I'm not going to call him a bum. He was an excellent role player and early in his career he did average 20 ppg. But sometimes he does forget that he was never a great player just bc he won 2 rings. And u can thank Shaq for that
LMAO STEVE SAID YES AND THEN WENT ON TO MAKE THE WARRIORS
Kenny was a role player. Superstar's back in that day like every one on OpenCourt besides Kenny gets it! Mentality is different! Kenny kick rocks
Steve Kerr sitting there plotting to get KD
Kenny shouldn't be in the conversation. He's a glorified role player. Go kiss Hakeems feet and leave this conversation to the superstars.
stanley derain I agree, although he was a solid player, he was never a leader/franchise player. So his mindset is completely different. He and Kerr are really the only one's that weren't franchise players on this panel.
Domini478 Steve Kerr was a GM of the suns during their best run in the last 20 years, He also made many a game wining shot, including in a game 7. Also who's the coach of the GSW? The man knows Basketball, period.
Your point?, Kenny never made a big shot, Steve did, and had an outstanding 3pt% regardless of how much he did/didn't shoot.
Domini478 My bad, he did. I take back what I say about Kenny but I would say Kerr did more. I still think both of them should be there, Kenny may be annoying but has some good stories and Kerr was funny as hell and had some great stories, also the only guy apart from C-Webb hat has any fucking manners.
stanley derain It's like Isiah Thomas said some guys are driving and other guys are just riding in the car.
I love shaq always says "Ernie" and talks to him cuz he's annoyed with everyone else 😂
Who knew this would be relevant three and a half years later
It was relevant last year. With cavs super team.
And 5 years after you commented.
I agree with Reggie’s “Small market impact” theory as well as Steve’s point on the attention super teams brought to the League. It’s great for the league, buts it’s bad for the other teams and their fan bases that are starving for a championship for their team. The knicks haven’t won a ring since the 70’s , if they don’t form something like a super team organically or even by players “teaming up” , the fan base might not see a ring in their life time, and that’s pretty sad to think about. One-star championship teams only come around once in a while.
Sacramento loves Cwebb. He will forever have my respect as a King. He shot his shot and got us closer than anyone since.
I like how Steve Kerr always plays the voice of reason when needed lol
Shaq said it best. Honestly, to this day, i still hate the collusion that took place in Miami, mainly between Lebron and Wade. Bosh could've gone to either Cleveland or Miami for all I care. But at the time, Lebron and Wade were perennial MVP candidates and brought out the best in each other whenever they faced off. So them teaming up was like if Bird and Magic would've teamed up in the 80's. While technically, there was nothing wrong with it, morally, it was slap in the face to anybody who knew what competition meant.
Exactly 😏
😏 You all notice how the former role players Kenny Smith and Steve Kerr were the cheerleaders for super teams ✅ That's because they have a dishonorable mercenary mindset ✅ Whereas Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller among others were the cheerleaders against super teams ✅ That's because an honorable soldier mindset ✅ Soldiers are usually loyalists, but mercenaries are always opportunists ✅
how tf is any of them three supposed to compete with a stacked spurs team then?
@@felipesilveira6301 😏 That's easy ✅ Dwyane and Chris Bosh could have joined up in Miami without Lebron James but still got surrounded by some skilled role players to make their team deeper ✅ Another possibility was that Lebron James and Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire could have joined up in New York without Dwyane Wade but still got surrounded by some skilled role players to make their team deeper ✅ Also the Spurs weren't all that stacked ❌ 2 out of their best 3 players were getting old or past their prime ✅ Tim Duncan was 34, and Manu Ginobili was 33 was in 2011 ✅
@@felipesilveira6301 Oh please Duncan was 37 years old averaging 15 points a game they were not stacked
I’m glad Kenny played devil’s advocate cause it brewed a great conversation. Every one knows it’s a shame when competitors team up but it’s still fun to watch great teams.
Man I could listen to old school players from the 80’s 90’s from any league talk about the way things used to be
Kenny was never the main man at his team that's why he is talking shit. Hakeem gave him 2 rings
But Kenny got more rings then Reggie, Charles, Smitty and C-Webb combined
Dat logic
Like what Zeke said, "Chuck, Reggie, CWebb" we're the carriers. And Kenny Smith was just riding the bus. It was Hakeem who dominated the '94 & '95 playoffs hence getting the Finals MVP on both.
+Shakiero Hambrick So? Was he better than any of them? All he did was ride Hakeem. The boy wasn't even an all star.
+Shemzinho If we looking at the topic at hand (superstars teaming up to play together) then Kenny should probably shut up... but even though, he still has a point. Lebron had a right to leave Cleveland, everybody just hated the cockiness behind "I'm taking my talents to South Beach". Personally, i think LeBron shouldn't have left Cleveland in the 1st place and He definitely shouldn't have left Miami because he was playing his best basketball of his career
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS PRIDE IS NOT AN ISSUE ANYMORE. THE WHOLE SUPER TEAM IDEA IS MORALLY WRONG, LIKE AN UNWRITTEN RULE IN THE BASKETBALL WORLD. LOGICALLY IT IS THE MOST SENSIBLE THING TO DO BUT IF YOU ARE AREAL COMPETITOR, WHICH IS WHAT IS SHOULD BE ABOUT, YOU ARE TRYING TO WIN AGAINST THE BEST OF THE BEST NOT JOINING THE BEST OF THE BEST. THE WHOLE PLAYERS TAKING THEIR CAREERS INTO THEIR OWN HANDS, THAT IS CRAZY BECAUSE IF THAT WA THE CASE THEN THEY DO NOT NEED OWNERS, GMS, SCOUTS, OR EVEN OWNERS. PLAYERS TAKING THEIR CAREERS IN THEIR OWN HANDS IS PRACTICING, WORKING OUT, STUDYING GAME TAPE, LOOKIGN AT THE TEAM YOU HAVE AND HELPING THE THEIR GUYS WITH THEIR WEAKNESSES AND USING THEIR STRENGTHS. THAT IS TAKING YOUR CAREER IN YOUR HANDS. THIS WHOLE SUPER TEAM THING, AND I MEAN IT IN THE WAY THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, IS BASICALLY CHEATING
Cory Rimpson Clyde went to Houston, Pippen went to Houston, Charles went to Houston.
YES AND THEY ALL DID AT THE END OF THEIR CAREER, A FINAL MEASURE IF YOU WILL. BUT I GUARANTEE THEY WOULD HAVE NEVER DONE IT AT THE PRIMES OF THEIR CAREERS. SIMILAR TO RAY ALLEN, PAUL PIECE AND KG. THEY WAITED UNTIL THE DOWN SIDE OF THEIR CAREERS.
+Cory Rimpson those 3 were in great shape when they joined up in Boston though, but i agree with you.
+Cory Rimpson Stop shouting we can read
Densanity My bad, dude, I type in CAPS at work so I forget to switch. I'm a bit older too so the whole virtual shouting thing is new to me, lol.
Both Shaq and Kerr were right
Shaq put it the best way, listen to what he said in the whole video
Kenny is correct. Magic had Kareem, Bob McAdoo, Jamal Wilkes, James Worthy, etc and even nice starters like Byron Scott, AC Green, Norm Nixon, Michael Thompson, etc.
Like Kenny you’re misunderstanding the point. This “superteam” didn’t form by superstars in their prime joining each other. Kareem came early when the Lakers had nobody. Magic and Worthy were drafted and McAdoo was a role player at the end of his career. Rest of the guys were drafted too. Shaq literally said this towards the end lol
Steve Kerr feeling uncomfortable cause he damn well knew he’d love a super team 😂
Only the great players like Shaq, Barkley, Miller, Webber has the right to comment on this topic. I love Miller's words:"I wanted to beat Michael Jordan!" Nothing but respect to him
Reggie wanted to beat his sister too and never could. Lost to every great backcourt player of his era.
Barkley, Webber,Shaq and Miller are what many refer to as company men. They are not guys who were intelligent nor independent enough to think outside of their brainwashing.
@@cortezfernandez7475 Not true, his comments about Cheryl being the better player predate his time in the NBA and I think they predate his time in college.
@@bricefleckenstein9666 Fact check and you'll find that you are mistaken.
@@cortezfernandez7475 It wasn't until his sister was a freshman the University of Southern California that he caught up with her physically. When she came home for Christmas vacation she noticed that he had grown much taller. A growth spurt had pushed him past her 6-foot-2, heading toward an eventual height of 6-foot-7.
He suggested they play one-on-one on the old rosebush court. She agreed. First time she drove to the basket, he blocked her shot. Second time, same result. Third time? There was no third time.
No, I'm NOT mistaken, unless he was joking about it (note he would have been a senior in High School at the time).
@@bricefleckenstein9666 OK so, he finally beat his sister.. Not the point.
I love the different perspective of these guys. Made this show great
Steve Kerr: _Are the super teams good for the NBA?_
Steve Kerr: _I say absolutely_
Steve Kerr: Yes, that puts small market teams at a huge disadvantage.
Also Steve Kerr: I didn't say anything about small market teams.
I liked what Coach Kerr had to said. I'm pretty sure now he might say there are 12* players who make a difference in this league the new two are probably Steph Curry and Klay Thompson lol.
KENNY .... TALKS TO DAMN MUCH ANDTHE LOUD HE GETS THE MORE HE THINKS HE'S RIGHT ..... TYPICAL NEW YORKER... THE ONLY THING THAT WAS MISSING FROM THIS CONVERSATION WAS SOMEBODY TELLING KENNY SHUT THE FUCK UP
Maybe you need to shut the fuck up Mr Steven, ever consider that?
Put some respek on the Spurs titles - FIVE RINGS, small market
ekb0106 the Spurs are the only other team in the nba I hate to see fail(Besides my Celtics) because of their complete dominance. But if they were to meet my Celtics in the finals, oh they gotta go down, sweep, out in 5 I don’t care, Celtics gotta get that trophy fam lmao
San Antonio small market? it's the 6th largest city in the US with 1.5M people. I Don't call this a small market
Then you are misguided and don't understand what a market is. There is a reason San Antonio doesn't have an MLB or NFL team. And it's not because they're in a big market.
San Antonio recently passed up the opportunity to host the 2020 Republican National Convention. That is indicative of why they are a small market.
this open court was made before spurs 2014 ring
4:17 Steve Kerr drinking that Tea because he knows how Super Teams are gonna help his future
Kerr is absolutely right about 10 guys who can make a difference. For example, when Igoudala went to Denver, their defense improved greats and did well in the playoffs. He leaves and they are one of the worst teams in the league. He went to Golden State and they go all out to the second round the first year, second year, he won finals mvp. Proof of that.
Kenny nailed it- players are gonna do whatever the hell they want
Steve kerr sitting there thinking ohh u guys just wait..😂😂
People want players to be loyal to a team, but owners are hardly ever loyal to the players.
I hate how Steve Kerr and the Warriors get labeled as a super team. You guys do realize besides when they got Durant they literally drafted Curry, Klay, Draymond, Harrison Barnes and turned the franchise around.
Kerr and the Jet made the most sense to me.
Kenny doesn't want to hear the question. He keeps making arguments as to why it's OK for players to do what they do. Steve Kerr had the same answer as Kenny but at least, he truly stuck to the question.
kennys right yall sum bitches
😏 You all notice how the former role players Kenny Smith and Steve Kerr were the cheerleaders for super teams ✅ That's because they have a dishonorable mercenary mindset ✅ Whereas Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller among others were the cheerleaders against super teams ✅ That's because they have an honorable soldier mindset ✅ Soldiers are usually loyalists, but mercenaries are always opportunists ✅
@@warrent5587 What did Chuck do as soon as he was able to leave? Did he not join other stars? People say "but those guys were old by then." but conveniently omit the fact that it's because players didn't have the freedom to move early in their career. Heck, he constantly laments the fact that Shaq had the blessing of playing with someone of Kobe and DWade calibers. Old heads need to spare us their holier than thou mindset.
@@MrBeatboxmasta 😏 I admit that Charles Barkley isn't the best retired hall of famer to be speaking on this matter ✅ He should be quiet 🤫
@@MrBeatboxmastashaq had the good graces of referees to the 2002 game 6 wcf was a joke the lakers should have lost.
we need isaiah thomas in this conversation. his arguments always cover all angles.
Kenny the only scrub on the panel tryin to shout over the actual stars
Hyun yup
Hyun ikr
What does being a star have 2 do with knowing the economic, marketing, and buisness elements that go behind what is good or bad for the league. You people are idiots being a "star player" is irrelevant yet you idiots bring it up.
Rageinggames1 You gonna listen to Tom Brady or Trent Dilfer?
Kenny is making himself look pretty bad in this, i know hes not a leader of the team, hes a role player, but lets take that aside. hes making himself look stupid cuz he keep raising his voice n try to over talk others when others have a point
+Frank Bryant Yep. I love Kenny, but maaaaaaaan. Just....stop.
That's New Yorkers in general.
no he has a different opinion
No he's not. He actually has a point. The question was whether super teams are good or bad but everyone else is focusing on how they're made as opposed to whether they're good or bad
Sometimes some opinions are without merit.
if super teams were so good then why did the nba veto chris paul to the lakers?
That's exactly what I was thinking
cause Dan Gilbert and mark Davis were crying about the it
Those were very specific circumstances. The league owned the Hornets.
people keep on forgeting it.
Exactly, but then they allow KD to go to GSW 🤔
Shaq made a good point. I cant stand super teams that are forced in this era of basketball today. Kenny is blowing smoke out of his ass. Kerr and c web also made a points too. I like what Webber said about Tim Duncan.
I disagree. I don't see anything wrong with players taking there futures into there own hands. Why is it OK for owners and GMs to control players but it's not OK for players to say "fuck that" I'm gonna play were I want with who I want?
marblee I think what "old school" players without rings have that the newer generation of players WITH rings have is there morals. In their minds, they feel like going through the ups and downs on 1 team, is morally better than jumping to a team with talented players, or calling up your free agent superstar friend and saying, "Let's form a super team". Morally, to the older generation of players, it's immoral. But I honestly feel like it's just hate. If Reggie and Michael would have gotten together in Chicago, MJ might have 8 rings and Reggie could have two. Would he say it's morally wrong to join up w/ superstars then? Most likely not, cause he would have 2 rings to show for it. I personally admire players like Kobe who choose to stay on a team that they have major success with and major collapses with. But you can't hate on any player who chooses to go to a team with talented players and major upside. Or who has the saavy to hit up his free agent buddies to form a "super team". It just shows the great lenghts these guys go through to try to win. Isn't that the ultimate goal at the end of the day?
Edward Okonta Its not even hate, merely a disagreement. And as far as them going to "great lengths" to win, it seems that you're implying that they swallowed their pride or something to join forces. I think teaming up shows a bit of lack in pride and confidence in their former organizations. I'm talking about particularly Bosh and James. Wade just went "All right!" so that's cool.
King Nyrd if you were LeBron James would you have pride or confidence in a organization that can't get even a lower level NBA STAR.Before he got to Miami the second best player he played with was Mo Williams, how are you supposed to win a title with Mo Williams as your second best player. Chris Bosh never played with anyone good.
marblee 1. I would have stayed to see if the organization got their act together. Cleveland and Toronto (I think) are low market teams so it isn't a shock that they couldn't get more talent. Doesn't mean they never would have. But I would have stayed with pride of winning against the best with the team that chose me out of so many other players in the draft to help them to victory. Hell, Reggie did it. 2. You can win with Mo Williams. Its not only about talent. Cohesion and chemistry are crucial. 3. Not really attacking their decisions, just calling it like I see it.
Imagine if Steve Kerr said super teams were bad for the NBA!
You know it gonna be good when C-Webb, Chuck and Shaq are on a panel and Kenny start yelling before the 2min mark hahaha
This was my favourite panel of all open court seasons.
If your contract ends and you’re a free agent you have the right to go wherever you want especially if you’ve been carrying a bad team for years and there’s no help or vision you need to go for the best chance to win a championship
Shaq quit on Orlando when he was at his prime and that wasn't even a bad team.
he really wanted a championship lol
+Brandon James The Lakers didn't have any superstar players at the time. Reasons he left was big money deal, acting career(lol), and bringing back LAL to what they once were. He also didn't get along with Penny as well.
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but he always praises penny...
that's a different story though, shaq only played 2 years Orlando, shaq came into the nba in his prime so idk
+2WubWub2 He does and he also praises Kobe these days. But back then they had some friction, though not to the extent of Shaq and Kobe's in those times.
Shaq and Chuck have a "what you want me to do boss" mentality.
Kenny doesnt know the feeling. If he was asked if he would have done it, yes, coz hes got no choice! 🤣🤣🤣
Reggie Miller is 100% right. Though the NBA is more like the NFL allowing smaller market teams to compete, since they have salary cap vs. MLB - which is a total unfair $ Bucks fest.
The smaller markets are finally shining now
I liked how back then almost each team had that STAR player.
Bulls:Jordan
Pacers:Reggie Miller
Knicks: Pat Ewing
Suns:Barkley
Jazz:Stockton & Malone
Rockets: Hakeem
Spurs: David Robinson
Timberwolves:Kevin Garnett
76ers:Allen Iverson
Lakers:Shaq & Kobe
Hornets:Glen Rice
Sonics:Gary Payton
Kings:Mitch Richmond
Heat:Morning & Hardaway
Like more teams had star players & were stacked with good competition.
Now it's like just 4-6 teams u know will go far that u just don't care about the game as much anymore
@@T3l3MuNd0 subhuman logic suns have booker. Lakers have lebron. Bulls have Lavine. 76ers have embiid. Celtics have jayson Tatum. Warriors have steph. The nets have Kevin Durant. Nuggets have Jokic. Jazz have Donovan Mitchell. Hawks have trae young. Hornets have Lamelo ball who’s entertaining as hell and won rookie of the year. Timber wolves have KAT and Edwards. The clippers have Kawhi and PG. Milwaukee has the two time MVP giannis Mavs Have Luka. Trailblazers HAVE DAMIAN LILLARD. Like dawg your a dimbass these are all veery high money making players thay ever nba fans knows is great
@@davidjackson9680 3 of those teams u mentioned were from free agency trades. both LA teams & the Bronx Nets. Having KD, Uncle Drew, Harden, Blake Griffin, & DeAndre Jordan in a starting 5?
That's just an all-star team on 1 full team.
The Clippers have Kawhi, PG-13, Rondo, & Cousins. Again all-star
Each of those players were in other teams through drafts. Just like the stars u mentioned. Most were from getting drafted there, they play hard & become the face/leader of the team.
What older fans & players don't like is that a NBA player gets drafted, works hard, becomes a star, team goes to the playoffs, they get eliminated not once. But over & over again. That even though they're the leader of the team, they'd rather join another team with "better stars" & most likely having a better chance so they can get a ring...
That's called a "Super team"
& also before you write that I'm a "dumbass" can you please spell it right.
Because rather than me being ☹😟🙁 I couldn't help but 🤣😂😭
So 🖕 & 👊🎤⬇️
@@T3l3MuNd0 that’s not what you said dumbass you said Every TEAM HAS THAT STAR PLAYER you didn’t say anything about free agency you dunce
Kenny was right nobody wanted to play in Cleveland n they saying he could’ve got ppl but Bron said he tried but nobody came n now in LA they coming
This was the best debate on Open Court.
Shaq made a great point about players like guards teaming up with Centers
Hats off to Kerr for controlling the situation..
I'm with Kenny on this. I think it's easier for Shaq to speak that way, but Shaq got traded to the second biggest dynasty in the league, and ust happened to get Kobe. Accidental? Sure, so it fits. Shaq however, very clearly stated he would go to Miami and help Wade "get his." Wade and Shaq hardly make a "super team" but the concept was the same. Nobody is really mad with Bosh, Toronto has a history of losing superstars.
As LeBron though, I would have left. He was back to back MVP, yes. Made it to the Finals one year, yes. But then the team receded again. As a player, I want to be one of the best, so I'm watching those before me and I'm thinking "What if we Pippen never comes into his own? What if we never draft Tony Parker or Mark Aguirre?" Does Isaiah still get his? Or does he become Allen Iverson? Does MJ become Tracy McGrady? I don't want to be the best to never do it. A player's primary goal is to WIN. Cleveland and Toronto had time to get somebody, anybody. They didn't. Or if you think they did then they became a less heralded Clippers. Got Chris Paul and still couldn't get there. He chose to cement his legacy and not wait until he was 38, and then could maybe push something out the tank. Instant gratification or not, when I hang up my sneaks, I want to be able to look at my hand and se at least one.
The old school players formed super teams as well...the were called the US national team they played in world championships and Olympics
Steve's like "Super teams? What super teams?"
And look at the nba now Kenny was ultimately right and so was Reggie. The league is full of super teams and that’s all that major media networks like esos and fox sports talk about is Lakers nets Denver Celtics clippers bucks 76rs jazz etc. the league ultimately has benefited from player’s teaming up
STEVE KERR is an underrated Genius in their discussion...
thats why i feel happy for him...kerr is smart and nice....c webb reggie barkley are just bitter...kerr did what lebron did and basically jumped from the cavs who always lost to the mj bulls for a chance to win....in his prime and its no guarantee
I just like how Steve Kerr is just chillin.
"There's only about 10 guys in the league who make a difference"
Steve Kerr sums up the NBA in one quote
Kenny is absolutely right with the reasoning that there have always been super teams, its only a problem for these old-timers when the players organise it. These new-age players arent some puppets for franchises that mostly wont bat an eyelid if an injury takes them out of the league, they're crafting their own legacy and destiny.
So its absolutely ok for you to have cake walks to the championships because of super teams? Stop it.
@@JayArh41 it's not about cake walks, teams try to make moves to get the best contenders on their team to make the championships. The only team you can say that had a 'cake walk' was gsw. And that move was initiated by the team. I'm saying wat Kenny said was right. Players are doing what's teams have already being doing.
Yes super teams have been in the NBA. But players should have the desire to beat the best not "if you cant beat em join em."
Super teams: Good for popularity and revenue as Steve Kerr mentioned but bad for competition.
@@JayArh41 I think players need a balance of both, if you're a top 5 player and your team is a mess, it actually benefits the league to go to a another team that will help you compete. Though Jordan is the goat, he wouldn't have been able to do what he did single-handedly. He would hv been the best player without a ring and that would hv killed him.
Reggie is correct. Super teams is not good for the league.
GTG Beats Of course Steve curr thinks super teams is good.
How can u call ur self a champion wen ur path way was eazy mark if ur pathway is eazy i expect u to win an u r the favz to win
I hear you.. but at the same time, what's better.. the dude putting the game first or the dude putting the money first? Everyone wants to win. Not everyone is ready to sacrifice EVERYTHING to get to the top of the game.
Ring chasers like Durant and David West, D. Cousins
"can't beat em join em" attitude Bad for the sport
Hands down. The 90s was the best time.of basketball. The league was spread out evenly . Competition and defense was still intact
Man that escalated REAL quick lol. I like how Steve Kerr, the dude who was on the biggest super team, didn't say a thing lol
I agree with Kenny weather drafted or via free agency super teams win, and they have always been around.
Best open court topic EVER
Don't mind Kenny Smith. If you replace him with his team leader Hakeem Olajuwon, he would agree with the panel.
Look what he told the USA Today:
"That’s the dilemma the league has to balance to make sure each team at least has the opportunity to have a superstar and has the opportunity to be a championship contender. That’s the goal of every team, but now the quality of players, true franchise players, is less than what it was…
“There are superstars and then there are franchise players,” Olajuwon said. “There are superstars in their own right, but a franchise player is a player who can carry his team to the next level. There are always very few of those in any era, true franchise players. Once you have that player, you can build your team around him. Today, the ones who are franchise players are teaming up together, which makes it more difficult for the teams without a superstar or a franchise player.
“I think in time, when you have guys coming from college who have the potential to be a superstar, they’re going to be drafted by a losing team that can then ultimately be a contender, and that’s what we need to see more of. We need to see college players who are superstars or can be franchise caliber players who can take those teams from being average teams to being a contender."
Steve Kerr sitting there thinking of his future and saying I’ll have more championships than all these guys combined lol
I love how Steve Kerr is just sitting there, little do the rest of them know...
Kenny has a point about 5 or 6 teams having a chance to win. However...he failed to mentioned that the 80s and 90s had 5 to 10 more good teams..and in 2012...you got 2 or 3 more good teams.
90s yes, but not true at all about the 80s. The Lakers never had real competition in the West. It took individual greatness from Moses and Hakeem on inferior teams to keep L.A. from making the Finals every year. And the only consisent competition the Celtics had in the East was the 76ers the first half of the 80s and the Pistons the second half of the 80s.
Kenny was so persistent but he ain't the superstar in the team. He won't und the Superstar ego.
Kerr sittin there like oh super teams never heard of it
Steve Kerr is like "ha ha you are all gonna see for not letting me talk"
Excuse me Kenny which franchise did you carry?
Like you were A ROLE PLAYER you don't have no say in this thats why Steve for the most of the time kept his mouth shut he was A ROLE PLAYER....His ego isn't as large as your...smh.
Dumb comment. Kenny's job is to talk and give his opinion. He was an NBA player. He can give the perspective of the non-superstar.
@@xman9190 ur the dum one,Kenny has no right to speak
@@hollywoodmoltisanti2509
Okay genius, show me the rulebook that says only superstars can have an opinion. Explain how superstars "carry" a franchise but the franchise is still there long after the so called superstar is gone. Use your brain, don't believe everything you're told.
@@xman9190 With all due respect,we also need to consider the fact that Kenny was not a leader for his team,unlike c webb,who was the leader of the 2002 kings team, so maybe in a situation like that,Kenny shouldn't really be interfering with this topic.
@@xman9190 Also, someone like Allen Iverson, who really did CARRY his team to a final,cannot be compared to someone like kenny
Most of us feel the same way about this. Just like Shaq said, if a team comes together naturally/coincidentally/accidentally, then most of us don't have a problem with it, it's only when people like Lebron say, "Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh are in Miami, I want to get me some rings" then it becomes dishonorable. I don't know the backroom details of how Garnett and Allen got together with Paul Pierce in Boston, but if calls were made by them to come together, then that's dishonorable too. It stretches the smaller "markets" and less wealthy teams thin. Part of the reason why I stopped watching baseball was because I got tired of watching the league and the media focus on the Yankees vs Redsox, almost as if they were setting it up.
The celtics got kg and Ray via trades, they got rid of everyone except rondo and perkins, okc got harden and Jeff green with bostons picks, and minesota got like 12 players for kg lol including Al Jeferson
Nicolas Restrepo OKC was definitely organic.
Yeah, that's part of why I stopped watching basketball (and essentially other sports, as well), too. Trades are one thing. But when a (very good - superstar level) player becomes a free agent and you (another superstar player) convince him to join you, that's wrong. I have a respect for Reggie Miller now when he said he wanted to beat Jordan. How can you prove you're the best in the game when you lace up with the very players you should be competing against? Just because you win the title? That don't make sense. If I was Lebron, I would have done my best wherever I was and/or whoever I played with - whether it was in a small market or a big market. I was actually rooting for Lebron when Cleveland drafted him. I was rooting for him to be great and win as many titles as Jordan (or almost as many). Even if he failed to win as many (or even ANY titles), I still would've respected Lebron because he gave it his all to do the best he could for his home team. Unfortunately, he couldn't do that.
Love how Kerr checked Barkley!
It's so crazy when you saw how things ended up how quiet Kerr was in this conversation.