That Magic Johnson analysis by Isiah Thomas is one of my most favorite cuts of Open Court. What Nikola Jokic is doing now is what I imagine what Magic would have done in this era
Exactly! They were looking at isaiah like he was crazy but he was the only person that was right, can you imagine magic playing today? He can't shoot 3s, pull up midrange, crossover or play defense, he did everything on the fast break he would've been similar to Ben simmons but less athletic, how he sposed to gaurd kyrie, lilliard, fox, curry, harden etc
I don’t know what it is, but every open court including Brent Barry leaves me with the impression that he’s misunderstood by everyone else on the panel.
It's because he breaks their lazy assumptions which they can't deal with; he's white and won the dunk contest. And he has 2 rings so they can't simply dismiss him.
he was also a former players son and white so they resent him for not working to get where he is...they think he got in the nba because of his dad not his skills...the rest of them worked for it...even steve kerr kenny smith dennis scott...they weren't handed anything....they have to be confident to make it cause many dont...it takes more than skill..its who you know..barry knew the right people and had a head start on many kids so he was a shoe in..obviously he could play but so can any 19 year old child...what made him stand out?..@@Mephiam
Thomas Kim Stockton respects Isaiah just as much.They 1st met up while in H.S and Isaiah was so dominating it made Stockton realize how far he had to go and made him work even that much harder to eventually get to the HOF level he attained.
@Jason Graves Don Buse can argue the point, but Stockton was a good defensive PG longer than Don was. Don doesn't get a lot of respect though as a large part of his career was in the ABA - but look at who led the league in Assists AND Steals the year after the merger....
Grant Hill is too nice. He was LeBron before LeBron. 6"8' SF, handle the ball, great passer, had that all around game and was explosive. Just injuries stopped him.
I love Grant Hill but LeBron was better. Hill was smoother and had the better handle and post up moves. But LeBron was more powerful, faster, jumped higher, better three point shooter and could defend bigs better. Passing, rebounding, overall defense was a wash.
g thrill is a great nickname that I dont remember anyone calling him but I like it..it plays with his last name being hill and his first name ending with t so t-hill+ r=thrill lol....
Almost up to the "Slam Dunk" session Dr. J was in. Of all the Open Courts I've seen, the ones with Shaq are the only competiton for "closest to a Top 10 alltime player", but Dr. J had a LOT more effect on the style of play of the league than Shaq did.
From the basic style of the 60's, to the freshness and flare of the 70's, to the toughness and grit of the 80's, to the explosiveness and defense of the 90's, to the crossovers and scoring of the 00's and finally to the three ball and fast pace ness of today's NBA.
@Kevin Huang There have been other rule changes that had just as much of an impact - like the "Flagrant Foul" rule growing TEETH after the 1990 season and putting an end to the domination of the "Bad Boy" Pistons while enabling Jordan to become the best player of his era.
@Kevin Huang The flagrant foul rule when it first appeared had no teeth - the penalties were a joke. And I don't buy into the "rigging" theory or the "made the game dirtier" theory at all. Also, the Malice in the Palace was caused by SPECTATORS, not by the Flagrant Foul rule, so that logic has ZERO basis - in fact it wasn't a FOUL at all that caused the Malice.
lets give Isaiah credit for showing class (yet being honest) about john Stockton skill set and toughness considering how Isaiah was snubbed from the dream team and Stockton made the team. stockton deserved to be on that team but so did Isaiah period ! BTW as a side note: Gary Peyton has always given stockton serious props also.
@@slaythompson I've been thinking about it and while I know many will disagree I think in the ways that matter the most Isaiah might have been the closest thing to Jordan we saw in that era. Size and position not withstanding their work ethics, desire to win, team approach and absolute insistence on the game going their way (willing success into existence) are common traits. I think the fact that they were bitter towards each other suggest this also since we know that people often dislike others in which they see traits of themselves.
The more I listen to Steve Kerr, the more I realize that he really has the vision and understanding of a great coach. No wonder he was a successful coach despite being technically a newbie at it
yeah man i feel like they kinda dont give him enough respect, for instance when they spoke of the similarities between nash and stockton, kenny just kinda politely considered his opinion irrelevant, while for everybody else they kinda had a warmer reception of what they said, dunno
@@stannisthemannis534 Pretty funny when Kenny was saying he would force Stockton to shoot and the first thing Zeke said was about how good of a shooter Stockton was. Kenny really thinks he's much more knowledgeable than he is.
Kenny here's a few that would thrive- Duncan, Melo, Dirk, PG, CP3, KD, Kawhi, Kobe, LeBron, James Harden, Russell Westbrook for his mentality. Many more would've still been stars throughout different era's.
Man I love this show so much. Just seeing these legends that have already impacted the game so much just sitting around together, laughing, discussing the game, having a good time, being entertaining, and all while getting paid to do it at that.
EXACTLY.Dudes would just have to throw the ball in the post and get out the way.I think if Wilt played today he possibly could lead the league in points and assists.He's doubled in the post....kick out for an open shooter: ASSIST Single coverage in the post: DUNK, FINGER ROLL, 8 foot shot.Joel Embiid is not Wilt, but if he focused on a low post game I dont see anybody consistently stopping him.
Wilt + Euro step = totally unfair. He's a Hall of Fame player in two sports. He would dominate in any era, in any sport, in my opinion. He was a track and field star in college and a Globetrotter before his first NBA game. The next time you're on the court, look down. The lane is as wide as it is because of Wilt. When both the rules and the field of play change because of you, you're dominant on a previously unfeasible level.
@@musicandmagic909 I agree.Alot of big men were stiffs in Wilt's era and one of the reasons Wilt stood out is not only because of his size, but its because he combined size with athleticism and power.Great players would dominate in ANY eras.You said when they have to change the rules to make it HARDER for ONE player ( The wider lane in the pros, outlawing the dunk for Kareem so he develops the most UNSTOPPABLE shot in basketball history) nothing defines greatness more than that.They are telling you that you are too good.
Zeke's analysis on Magic if he played today is honestly spot on. He'd be a perfect point power forward or center like Draymond or hell even Jokic today
100 percent. He understood that basketball was becoming positionless and center could make plays and run an offense. Jokic is everything he explained with what magic would be today. Just shows his basketball IQ.
I think they were confused by what he was saying. One aspect is that he believed Magic wouldn’t guard the PGs of today because they were too quick and athletic for him. But the other part he was making it sound like he wouldn’t be a playmaker until he finally cleared it up at the end.
I agree with everyone comparing Grant Hill to Lebron, in fact, had it not been for that ankle injury, we could have seen Grant Hill develop a 3pt jump shot. I honestly thought that for the 3-4 years I watched him play in the 90s, he was the greatest player in transition and if he was to play with a great big man or point guard in his pistons years, he would have had rings.
He actually shot about 35% from 3 in 2000 m, granted it was with much fewer attempts than LeBron but it was a sign that he was already developing that 3 point shot in his game. Really sucks he had that injury. To me, he's the biggest what if in the NBA. With the injury, he still had a memorable career and actually lasted 19 years. But imagine if he wasn't actually injured. The matchups he would've had with LeBron from 2004 to 2010 would've awesome to see.
Kenny buggin tf out lmaooo. Yeah it was more physical I always agree w that but the SUPERSTARS today would be SUPERSTARS in any era. I want what he’s smoking.
Only era I'd say you probably wouldn't be able to put them in would be the early 60s and any era prior due to how the coaches were against much flashy play (I think Chamberlain said something along those lines when he was talking about why he thought Jordan would be on the bench in his era). Other than that, who is gonna stop Giannis or Steph or some other superstar from today?
Charles Barkley love it Chuck. As a former college asst I love your sense of humor. And I miss guys like you Stockton Malone Rodman Oakley Mason Majerle Doc the list goes on. Guys that brought their lunch pail and played. Instead of a wussifued league today
Finally someone speaking truth about Stockton. So sick of hearing haters talk trash without understanding his game. Talk to Isiah! Talk to Payton! Stockton was the REAL DEAL. Malone didn't make Stockton! Stockton made Malone! When you got a point guard that tough, that willing to penetrate and kick, that willing to help you get the points instead of him, that willing to set screens on guys 3 times his size - you gonna be a better player! A point guard like that can make an average player look like an all star. In the case of Malone he made an all star look like a hall of famer. Don't get me wrong though, having a good power forward like Malone makes him as a point guard look better but when it comes down to it - Stockton was the man. And let's be honest as a white dude he gets vastly underrated. If you see a white ball player but know nothing about him what do you think? "Meh, probably a good shooter but unathletic and soft." Now what do all the NBA players who played him have to say? "Toughest mfer I ever had to guard. I was always happy when he went to the bench cuz I got a breather on defense." - Gary the glove Payton.
But zeke is better than stockton though. I still remember when zeke torched john and scored 44 points on him because zeke is pretty petty on Olympics lol. Stockton is my 2nd fav PG of all time.
Chris Webber said the same thing. He made rookies sit with him on the bus to watch Stockton drive up in a minivan and get his kids out of the car, then they would get in the game and Stockton would fucking bash their heads in. Really put things into perspective.
Mitch O'Brien 7 foot 2? He grew 3 inches? Damn... but I agree with Kenny a guy like embid is average at best in 80s n 90s... Durant would be great in any era ..but he’s mentally weak... he joined a 73-9 team n still let rockets take them 7
Top Kek well how in the fuck am I gonna know u meant 2 guard and not 7 foot , two guard dumbass....read what u wrote ..you are not smart enough to understand why people would think that.. like 2 guard is some obscure reference.. for god sake everyone knows what a 2 guard is
Crazy how they didn’t think point centers would exist like embiid, Jokic, giannis, etc. . Love how the game evolves and how these conversations “didn’t age well”, I love this show for that reason. I love it
Stockton was a beast. I only see that dog attitude in Russel and maybe Dame, but not the ball distribution tho. If they ever get to really know how to run a half court offense, you think they're unstoppable now?
@@773ohh6 Dame is the better scorer and clutch shooter, Stockton is better at virtually everything else. Passing, defending, screening, running a half court set
Was just about to say the same thing with Magic in today's game, although Kerr actually stepped up and said "No" to the PnR conversation. Smith and someone else said yes you'd do that, but Magic would have to shoot the ball from the outside a lot more which would not bode well. I mean he could be the A+ version of Ben Simmons which is extremely valuable even in today's game at the PG spot, but then we're no longer talking about him as Top 1-5 player all-time. Also as big as he is and with how much faster the game is today there's no way he sticks there more than a handful of years because of the wear and tear on the body.
Listening to Isiah Thomas talking about how Magic would revolutionize the Center position as a Point-Center makes me think of Jokic today. Of course, Magic was way faster and more athletic than Jokic, but just the concept of revolutionizing how the Center position is played.
Nah, Grant Hill was more like Scottie Pippen. They're both the same offensively in terms of both never had a decent jumper but could get to the rim with ease.
Magic Johnson, just like he revolutionized the PG position in the 80s, in this era he would almost become a point center with handling and cutting skills
And here we are having a Magic Johnson type player at the Center: Nikola Jokic. Yeah Magic would be better than Nikola, but he would be a Point Center. Zeeke is absolutely on point.
kenny thinks too highly of himself it's almost funny and pitying at the same time. he's just a role player. not even close being an all-star type of player. there are countless of guys better than him. gives too much credit to himself smh
Jebaited Kenny peaked early talent wise.Was a great guard coming outta H.S.Had a decent career at UNC and some good yrs early as a pro...but tailed off quickly.He thinks his NBA career was great cause he rode Akeems coattails to 2 rings.
8:10 that whole segment about John Stockton. I don't know who today's Stockton is, but spinning it around I can definitely say I believe Stockton would DOMINATE in today's league. He'd hold his own defensively but then in a league that practically pays defenders not to defend, he would just feast on those open spots and punish teams all over the perimeter inside and out and then create for others, and with his FT%, can't foul em.
Jazz fan over here, there are two former players I'd love to see in today's game: Stockton and Kirilenko they would fit in just great with Ingles, Mitchell and Gobert and be a defensive nightmare.
nah men perimeter defenses are way better today 1. and 2 he was never a very willing scorer, i think his points per game would definitely be better but i don't see him as an elite scorer in order to dominate. he would be great as he was in the 90s while also having to deal with better schemes, larger perimeter players, zones and in general just more troublesome defenses for the perimeter.
"In your heyday, I'd say Manu Ginobli" "I appreciate that, that's very kind of you" "Well, your heyday was a small window" "I appreciate that too" lolol
I truly miss this show. They need to bring it back with Ernie and all of the former same players who have been on with him because the the chemistry is great.
@rudy2fat I'm not arguing that but to me there are guys at that level who are solid statistically like he and many others but Kenny was a strong leader and he was tough on the court. To me he was worth a lot more than his numbers which were strong.
The 80s had offense like today don't let the fights brainwash you. Adrian Dantley, George Gervin, Mark Aguirre, and a plethora of players all were scoring machines. KD would feast in the 80s.
It's kinda interesting how Steve Kerr is the most open minded person. I find it annoying how people always say this modern era is the easiest to play. Like now the defensive schemes are so much harder to play in and it's so much more physically demanding.
i think the nba now is harder on defenses because they use the corners wings and the entire 3 point line so you have to cover the pain and the high post as well as the 3 ball and its just to much space to cover ..they probably should extend the 3 point line or make the basket higher or make the court longer cause teams score too easy now...its like cupcakes...
@@lubabalomengu1845 this was filmed before he was coaching tho. I tgink the reason why warriors succeeded was cause Kerr is so open minded and just uses his players skillsets to the best they can be usedz
@@medadleong746 yeah, he was GM in this era too. My point was, he's seen the evolution of the game up close. Instead of watching from the sidelines and reminiscing on the "tough" 80s and 90s....
25:45 Kenny nailed it. For years the MVP was a championship caliber player who made it or won the NBA finals at some point in their career, LIKE CLOCKWORK. They may not have won but they made it to the finals. Then all of the sudden, that metric changed. Players from relatively obscure teams with obscure success became MVP. The metric for greatness changed.
The only players who have won an MVP who haven’t made it to the finals at some point in their career is Derrick Rose and Joel Embiid. Embiid still has time and Rose’s career was heavily impacted by injuries.
Ernie: “they call him Steve, Steve Kerr”
Ernie: what did they call you?
Steve: Steve
LMAO
Cdot Rey yeah that was funny
in Spain, he was called Wyatt Earp
Steven
That Magic Johnson analysis by Isiah Thomas is one of my most favorite cuts of Open Court. What Nikola Jokic is doing now is what I imagine what Magic would have done in this era
Agreed
Exactly! They were looking at isaiah like he was crazy but he was the only person that was right, can you imagine magic playing today? He can't shoot 3s, pull up midrange, crossover or play defense, he did everything on the fast break he would've been similar to Ben simmons but less athletic, how he sposed to gaurd kyrie, lilliard, fox, curry, harden etc
@@speedylucero93 facts I was going to comment this but jokic is doing exact what isiah was talking hes changing the game as a point center
@@sharifs649 exactly brah and jokic got way more weight and post moves in da bag den magic, my bad I love magic but the game evolves
One of the greatest takes of all time
Kenny: "I thought I was LeBron but..."
Ernie: "No you're not, but..."
Ernie always keepin' it real. LOL.
@Russell Johnson Of course he agreed
Lol Ernie being a good host knowing nobody there nor us watching wants to hear Kenny’s delusions of grandeur
@@lLooN3y I mean it was a joke
@@iansutherlin2595 nah it was but just saying he know when to move on or let it keep going.
9:32 Isiah corrects Kenny on how good Stockton was all around. Isiah was great on these open court shows.
Really Great. Love him as a commentator. Very underrated as a commentator
@Wally Reyes if they didn't got robbed in 88 they probably got 3peat,
Isiah always gets his dig on Malone
@@vuls81 Malone may be the most overrated player ever. He was hand fed 90% of his points from layups and dunks from Stockton
@@MrAitraining that’s why I consider Malone overrated for that reason, without Stockton he wouldn’t be second overall in points history
This show needs to comeback
Yeah I miss it!
I don’t get why it’s off. Such an amazing show
IMMEDIATELY!!
I would kill to be Ernie during these open court episodes
No man is black enough to fill in Ernie's shoes.
Ernie has a great job, no doubt.
Could you start with Skip Bayless? Please?
Seven Thirty I hate skip hes just an.asshole
Indeed...the biggest asshole in sports media.
I don’t know what it is, but every open court including Brent Barry leaves me with the impression that he’s misunderstood by everyone else on the panel.
It's because he breaks their lazy assumptions which they can't deal with; he's white and won the dunk contest. And he has 2 rings so they can't simply dismiss him.
he was also a former players son and white so they resent him for not working to get where he is...they think he got in the nba because of his dad not his skills...the rest of them worked for it...even steve kerr kenny smith dennis scott...they weren't handed anything....they have to be confident to make it cause many dont...it takes more than skill..its who you know..barry knew the right people and had a head start on many kids so he was a shoe in..obviously he could play but so can any 19 year old child...what made him stand out?..@@Mephiam
@@razkable Dude was dunking from the free throw line lol
Asmosis Jones Could day the same about Steph and Klay.
And Kenny thinks way too high of himself
31:05 this was 2014 and Isiah Thomas is literally describing the coming future with Jokic through Magic Johnson. Thats incredible
That’s a stretch
My favorite part was @22:40 when Isiah complimented Bones. Isiah is so smart about the game.
Zeke is extremely humble, you can see that he really respects the game.
Goes to show how great Stockton was the way Isiah respects him so much.
Thomas Kim Stockton respects Isaiah just as much.They 1st met up while in H.S and Isaiah was so dominating it made Stockton realize how far he had to go and made him work even that much harder to eventually get to the HOF level he attained.
C'mon. Only fitting for the all time assists and steals leader.
Yup, Gary Payton and a lot of guys always say he's their nightmare cover. Dude could just kill you in a million different ways.
@@josephmatthews7698 Yup GP always says He was the hardest to guard not MJ
He is a hall of famer
Kenny talking about Stockton and Nash shows why he was never much on defense. He got that dead wrong.
Bill Walton once called him the worst defender of all time lmao
@Jason Graves Don Buse can argue the point, but Stockton was a good defensive PG longer than Don was.
Don doesn't get a lot of respect though as a large part of his career was in the ABA - but look at who led the league in Assists AND Steals the year after the merger....
Jason Graves gary payton.
@@Top-Kek Ah yes, how could we forget the guy that guarded his man so close he became known as "The Glove"....
T K he called Kenny that or Steve Nash?
steve kerr is really showing off his ball iq and why he has a head coaching job
Kenny is just talking nonsense btw
Jeffrey Atienza cause being a head coach is the same as a GM?
@Jeffrey Atienza Everyone knows that James Dolan is the reason the Knicks were bad.
WildSandwich he’s was superstar but not top ten all time superstar that’s why he also gives great insight
He was the captain of the PIstons for an awful long time; that's gotta count for something.
Grant Hill is too nice. He was LeBron before LeBron. 6"8' SF, handle the ball, great passer, had that all around game and was explosive. Just injuries stopped him.
Jordan Evans unfortunate but true really could be labeling GH one of the all time greatest if not for injuries
NyQuiiL Cold & Flu he wasn’t that strong though.
I love Grant Hill but LeBron was better. Hill was smoother and had the better handle and post up moves. But LeBron was more powerful, faster, jumped higher, better three point shooter and could defend bigs better. Passing, rebounding, overall defense was a wash.
g thrill is a great nickname that I dont remember anyone calling him but I like it..it plays with his last name being hill and his first name ending with t so t-hill+ r=thrill lol....
He was better....that injury took the greatness from him..he was the heir to mj before AI and Kobe
The respect when Zeke speaks is immeasurable.. you can hear your heartbeat in that silence and everyone just listens.
I think its cause he was a former sexual assault criminal so they dont want to piss him off
Asmosis Jones alleged. He was never convicted. It’s like me calling you an asshole for bringing that up for no reason
Asmosis Jones that was funny lmfao.
Almost up to the "Slam Dunk" session Dr. J was in.
Of all the Open Courts I've seen, the ones with Shaq are the only competiton for "closest to a Top 10 alltime player", but Dr. J had a LOT more effect on the style of play of the league than Shaq did.
Not everyone, Kenny interrupts a lot
From the basic style of the 60's, to the freshness and flare of the 70's, to the toughness and grit of the 80's, to the explosiveness and defense of the 90's, to the crossovers and scoring of the 00's and finally to the three ball and fast pace ness of today's NBA.
Ernie Johnson has seen it all
10’ Super Team Era 20’s Duo’s
Well fucking said. You perfectly described the nba each decade
@Kevin Huang There have been other rule changes that had just as much of an impact - like the "Flagrant Foul" rule growing TEETH after the 1990 season and putting an end to the domination of the "Bad Boy" Pistons while enabling Jordan to become the best player of his era.
@Kevin Huang The flagrant foul rule when it first appeared had no teeth - the penalties were a joke.
And I don't buy into the "rigging" theory or the "made the game dirtier" theory at all.
Also, the Malice in the Palace was caused by SPECTATORS, not by the Flagrant Foul rule, so that logic has ZERO basis - in fact it wasn't a FOUL at all that caused the Malice.
Anyone else listen to these in the background to pass the time?
lets give Isaiah credit for showing class (yet being honest) about john Stockton skill set and toughness considering how Isaiah was snubbed from the dream team and Stockton made the team. stockton deserved to be on that team but so did Isaiah period ! BTW as a side note: Gary Peyton has always given stockton serious props also.
And that's high praise coming from one of the most tenacious defenders to ever lace em' up
He said it to talk shite about Karl Malone who he hates.
I feel like that was more about Malone and Stockton on the time
Plus he Isiah blames MJ more than Stockton for him not making the Dream Team
@@slaythompson I've been thinking about it and while I know many will disagree I think in the ways that matter the most Isaiah might have been the closest thing to Jordan we saw in that era. Size and position not withstanding their work ethics, desire to win, team approach and absolute insistence on the game going their way (willing success into existence) are common traits. I think the fact that they were bitter towards each other suggest this also since we know that people often dislike others in which they see traits of themselves.
The more I listen to Steve Kerr, the more I realize that he really has the vision and understanding of a great coach. No wonder he was a successful coach despite being technically a newbie at it
Ya mans played with MJ, Pippen, Tim Duncan, coached by Phil J & Greg Pop. He was around high IQ & greatness his whole career basically.
@@armaniwilliams7613 I agree, but it still takes an analytical person to take on that information and be able to translate it to the modern era.
Wow Brent Barry's really smart in terms of basketball.
he did play under pop with a bro in the nba and his father was a legend..he better know the game
His pop gave GSW the chip
Especially the adaptability part
@@razkable 2 or 3 brothers in the NBA, and a father in the Hall. He picked up a lot by osmosis I'm sure.
Now he’s VP of basketball operations in San Antonio
brent barry makes some smart comments but they somewhat brush him aside
tony parker stole his wife AND his credibility
yeah man i feel like they kinda dont give him enough respect, for instance when they spoke of the similarities between nash and stockton, kenny just kinda politely considered his opinion irrelevant, while for everybody else they kinda had a warmer reception of what they said, dunno
@@stannisthemannis534 Pretty funny when Kenny was saying he would force Stockton to shoot and the first thing Zeke said was about how good of a shooter Stockton was. Kenny really thinks he's much more knowledgeable than he is.
moonrayz4 I think he's too quiet. Not assertive enough. Kenny talks too much to have been a subpar. Player
stannis the mannis tbh Kenny is a dumbass
They call him "Steve" XD
Always liked to watch Steve Kerr, so wise and humble
reggie calls him little stevie like stevie wonder + little ricky ...but im sure no one else calls him that
If there's anything that can irk me... it's Kenny's constant interruptions lol. Let someone speak
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kenny thinks a lot of himself.
Marc-David Bernales yeah hes got an ego just because. he played with Hakeem
+They're Always Watching Me why i like kerr hes humble because he knew his role and embraced it rather then like ya i won the games for jordan
Marc-David Bernales Yeah he think he was all that, he was a role play and alot of players now are way better than him.. He's so stuck up
Can't blame him... 2x World Champion baby !
Marc-David Bernales he's allowed to 2x NBA champ and held a then record of 7 made 3pt shots in one playoff game he has the right
why does Kenny becomes the center of attention in every show?
rayleigh8 that's that New York swagger
@@Mr100Jefferson nahh it's called diva Bitch
@@Mr100Jefferson if he was in ny with his persona he would get jumped haha
@@jqa16 Both.
rayleigh8 because he’s a self-centered jerk and that’s probably why both his marriages failed.
Brent Barry should have his own radio show, great insight. Stockton was a tough SOB. Ask Gary Payton.
Kenny here's a few that would thrive- Duncan, Melo, Dirk, PG, CP3, KD, Kawhi, Kobe, LeBron, James Harden, Russell Westbrook for his mentality. Many more would've still been stars throughout different era's.
Harrison rice no offense to Dirk but he isn't physical enough for his size but he got that God offense
Harrison rice I
Um KG
James harden and melo would not thrive
theMillennialDude dirk isn't known for his defense, there is no one back then that could stop him offensively and there still isn't.
Man I love this show so much. Just seeing these legends that have already impacted the game so much just sitting around together, laughing, discussing the game, having a good time, being entertaining, and all while getting paid to do it at that.
Jergstein Feierabend My dream. Talk about sports and get paid for it.
Chance Howard ikr
Spot on, I watch these regularly and still haven't gotten bored of them. It's such a simple formula and is executed perfectly.
We need to add MJ, Kobe, Magic and Bird
Dude Wilt would dominate in any era. I don't think anyone was as athletically gifted as him.
Right, in his prime (pre-Lakers) he was unbelievable. Had the best peak years of any player ever.. including Jordan.
He really was, he could have played when he was 50 years old
EXACTLY.Dudes would just have to throw the ball in the post and get out the way.I think if Wilt played today he possibly could lead the league in points and assists.He's doubled in the post....kick out for an open shooter: ASSIST
Single coverage in the post: DUNK, FINGER ROLL, 8 foot shot.Joel Embiid is not Wilt, but if he focused on a low post game I dont see anybody consistently stopping him.
Wilt + Euro step = totally unfair. He's a Hall of Fame player in two sports. He would dominate in any era, in any sport, in my opinion. He was a track and field star in college and a Globetrotter before his first NBA game. The next time you're on the court, look down. The lane is as wide as it is because of Wilt. When both the rules and the field of play change because of you, you're dominant on a previously unfeasible level.
@@musicandmagic909 I agree.Alot of big men were stiffs in Wilt's era and one of the reasons Wilt stood out is not only because of his size, but its because he combined size with athleticism and power.Great players would dominate in ANY eras.You said when they have to change the rules to make it HARDER for ONE player ( The wider lane in the pros, outlawing the dunk for Kareem so he develops the most UNSTOPPABLE shot in basketball history) nothing defines greatness more than that.They are telling you that you are too good.
Zeke is probably one of my favorite past players to listen talk about the game and other players
Ernie has been drafted by the afro american people. The dude has the swag!
tuptugen As Shaq said “Ernie ain’t white, he light skinned!”
Zeke's analysis on Magic if he played today is honestly spot on. He'd be a perfect point power forward or center like Draymond or hell even Jokic today
Zeke's basically a prophet. everything he said about Magic, is basically what Jokic is today
100 percent. He understood that basketball was becoming positionless and center could make plays and run an offense. Jokic is everything he explained with what magic would be today. Just shows his basketball IQ.
I think they were confused by what he was saying. One aspect is that he believed Magic wouldn’t guard the PGs of today because they were too quick and athletic for him. But the other part he was making it sound like he wouldn’t be a playmaker until he finally cleared it up at the end.
I agree with everyone comparing Grant Hill to Lebron, in fact, had it not been for that ankle injury, we could have seen Grant Hill develop a 3pt jump shot. I honestly thought that for the 3-4 years I watched him play in the 90s, he was the greatest player in transition and if he was to play with a great big man or point guard in his pistons years, he would have had rings.
IanLEAU and him and mcgrady would have been easy first ballot HOFers
IanLEAU couldnt agree more. im a gh fan. if only he had at least billups and b.wallace play with him during his prime. he would have a ring
He actually shot about 35% from 3 in 2000 m, granted it was with much fewer attempts than LeBron but it was a sign that he was already developing that 3 point shot in his game. Really sucks he had that injury. To me, he's the biggest what if in the NBA. With the injury, he still had a memorable career and actually lasted 19 years. But imagine if he wasn't actually injured. The matchups he would've had with LeBron from 2004 to 2010 would've awesome to see.
Kenny buggin tf out lmaooo. Yeah it was more physical I always agree w that but the SUPERSTARS today would be SUPERSTARS in any era. I want what he’s smoking.
Kawhi Leonard would literally be unstoppable in the 90s
Only era I'd say you probably wouldn't be able to put them in would be the early 60s and any era prior due to how the coaches were against much flashy play (I think Chamberlain said something along those lines when he was talking about why he thought Jordan would be on the bench in his era). Other than that, who is gonna stop Giannis or Steph or some other superstar from today?
@@davidjackson9680 that's actually a good example, he would be ridiculous back then.
steve kerr's don't remind me today will be blowing a 3-1 lead in the finals
like they said 3-0 is funnier, but 4-0 is a disastaaaa! lucky kerr was kind enough to give 1.
hbrt335 thats unfair...im a cavs fan but steve kerr is an incredible coach he just coaches douche bags
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Lmao this didn't aged well
@@kebotize well 2018
Zekes laugh just kills me every time lmao
There is only 1 elevator
i met him. He's the coolest man alive.
ej @@sunbear3324
@@razkable what's up?
Charles Barkley love it Chuck. As a former college asst I love your sense of humor. And I miss guys like you Stockton Malone Rodman Oakley Mason Majerle Doc the list goes on. Guys that brought their lunch pail and played. Instead of a wussifued league today
Like kenny said he smuggling grapes 😄
Finally someone speaking truth about Stockton. So sick of hearing haters talk trash without understanding his game. Talk to Isiah! Talk to Payton! Stockton was the REAL DEAL. Malone didn't make Stockton! Stockton made Malone!
When you got a point guard that tough, that willing to penetrate and kick, that willing to help you get the points instead of him, that willing to set screens on guys 3 times his size - you gonna be a better player!
A point guard like that can make an average player look like an all star. In the case of Malone he made an all star look like a hall of famer. Don't get me wrong though, having a good power forward like Malone makes him as a point guard look better but when it comes down to it - Stockton was the man.
And let's be honest as a white dude he gets vastly underrated. If you see a white ball player but know nothing about him what do you think? "Meh, probably a good shooter but unathletic and soft." Now what do all the NBA players who played him have to say? "Toughest mfer I ever had to guard. I was always happy when he went to the bench cuz I got a breather on defense." - Gary the glove Payton.
But zeke is better than stockton though. I still remember when zeke torched john and scored 44 points on him because zeke is pretty petty on Olympics lol. Stockton is my 2nd fav PG of all time.
I will have to agree
@@MegaTroy12 Even at the time of Dream Team selection John's numbers were better than Zeke's.
Chris Webber said the same thing. He made rookies sit with him on the bus to watch Stockton drive up in a minivan and get his kids out of the car, then they would get in the game and Stockton would fucking bash their heads in. Really put things into perspective.
What’s hilarious is that when you go on bball reference the first entry for Grant Hill is G-Money.
Ernie speaking things into existence
Kenny's opinion about today's stars being average in the 80's is crap
Yeah like what? KD who is a 7 foot 2 guard with the skills of TMac and Dirk top 15 player all time would only be average in the 80s
Mitch O'Brien 7 foot 2? He grew 3 inches? Damn... but I agree with Kenny a guy like embid is average at best in 80s n 90s... Durant would be great in any era ..but he’s mentally weak... he joined a 73-9 team n still let rockets take them 7
mansonlamps 2-guard, casual.
Top Kek well how in the fuck am I gonna know u meant 2 guard and not 7 foot , two guard dumbass....read what u wrote ..you are not smart enough to understand why people would think that.. like 2 guard is some obscure reference.. for god sake everyone knows what a 2 guard is
Tizzy Law81 no. He said kd has the skills of tmac and dirk, and that KD is a top 15 player of all time
Kenny talking like he's a legend😯
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why is even there?
Y’all acting like Kenny smith wasn’t an important piece on a legendary team 😂😂. He know more about basketball than half on the panel.
@@hyperfixer hell no, he makes everything about himself or tries to be center of attention
@@hyperfixer important but not legendary
Crazy how they didn’t think point centers would exist like embiid, Jokic, giannis, etc. . Love how the game evolves and how these conversations “didn’t age well”, I love this show for that reason. I love it
Other than Isaiah. He called it when he was saying was type of player magic would have been.
Brent Barry cannot stand Kenny and it's so obvious lol
Christian Jordan can't blame him. Brent makes good points more often than not while Kenny makes dumb points more often than not.
kenny is too obnoxious
who can
Makes me wonder what their battles were like...
Christian Jordan Lol why do you say that?
Kenny if you played in the 80s and 90s then these guys in this era can
The way Zeke described a modern day version of Magic.... he basically described Jokic lol
Stockton was a beast. I only see that dog attitude in Russel and maybe Dame, but not the ball distribution tho. If they ever get to really know how to run a half court offense, you think they're unstoppable now?
This comment is 4 years old and you are right. Dame is giving me the Stockton vibes in terms of toughness
@@773ohh6 Dame is the better scorer and clutch shooter, Stockton is better at virtually everything else. Passing, defending, screening, running a half court set
@@FecalMatador lol You mentioned some of the most important things and ended it with “thats it”.
Unstoppable? they haven’t won jack 😂
@@FecalMatador Better clutch shooter than Stockton? Check the record.
Isiah is making a good point in Magic playing in this era. The other guys completely ignored his points and went he would still be a PG.
Was just about to say the same thing with Magic in today's game, although Kerr actually stepped up and said "No" to the PnR conversation. Smith and someone else said yes you'd do that, but Magic would have to shoot the ball from the outside a lot more which would not bode well. I mean he could be the A+ version of Ben Simmons which is extremely valuable even in today's game at the PG spot, but then we're no longer talking about him as Top 1-5 player all-time. Also as big as he is and with how much faster the game is today there's no way he sticks there more than a handful of years because of the wear and tear on the body.
@@sammybissett9046 exactly! Crazy to think magic gave jordan competition but they like to think lebron kobe or durant wouldn't?
80’s and 90’s were the best you could watch almost any game that was on tv and it was entertaining and competitive
Idk what it is but I could listen to these dudes talk all day. I love when they lowkey talk shit about each other
Me too
Listening to Isiah Thomas talking about how Magic would revolutionize the Center position as a Point-Center makes me think of Jokic today. Of course, Magic was way faster and more athletic than Jokic, but just the concept of revolutionizing how the Center position is played.
Jokic is more of a larry bird than a Magic Johnson but you still make a great point
Makes sense why Shaq and Chuck weren’t here. They would’ve spent the whole segment saying “Nobody.” 😂
The defense doesn't allow it
"Joe Johnson with a pulse" LMAO 🤣🤣🤣
Grant Hill is so humble it's hard for him to speak about himself. I think he would be in the top 10 all time conversation had he stayed healthy.
Grant Hill was the Lebron prototype
Nah, Grant Hill was more like Scottie Pippen. They're both the same offensively in terms of both never had a decent jumper but could get to the rim with ease.
@@jmcgee39 no grant hill was the lebron prototype
@@jmcgee39 he played like lebron
@@ced9938 no
@@mjg6233 Yes
respect to Stockton baby!
Kenny trippin
Kenny seems outta place with that lineup
R T115
If that's the case so does Dennis Scott. They averaged about the same points.
R T115 or Steve Kerr
R T115 or BRENT BARRY
Magic Johnson, just like he revolutionized the PG position in the 80s, in this era he would almost become a point center with handling and cutting skills
Kenny damn sure likes to hear himself talk!
Isiah is a genius analyst and fun to listen to
You the real MVP Peter
This is such a great series.... we need more
And here we are having a Magic Johnson type player at the Center: Nikola Jokic.
Yeah Magic would be better than Nikola, but he would be a Point Center. Zeeke is absolutely on point.
100%
Parish had one of the quickest feets back at the 80s for a center. They mastered the pick&roll with Bird. He would be awesome today.
Stockton was amazing truly one of a kind. An amazing player.
kenny thinks too highly of himself it's almost funny and pitying at the same time. he's just a role player. not even close being an all-star type of player. there are countless of guys better than him. gives too much credit to himself smh
Jebaited Kenny peaked early talent wise.Was a great guard coming outta H.S.Had a decent career at UNC and some good yrs early as a pro...but tailed off quickly.He thinks his NBA career was great cause he rode Akeems coattails to 2 rings.
I agree, but 2x champs i guess validates his input.😂✌
He was pretty good early in his career. He was the guy in Sacramento
Hes not near Grants and Isiahs level like he wants to believe. He more like around 3D, Bones, and Kerr lvl.
3 d is a good one..Kenny like 3 d had a 5 year prime where he was higher than a role player and even surpassed him in some regard...@@quick2bud
...of a girl that I once knew
Al El singing that in my head as i scrolled to this comment 😂
Dee Benson :) cool beans
Al El I don't get it
Al El I get it......i remember
wouldn't believe the things she put me through :)
The thing they were talking about in the beginning with “Elevator Ernie” was hilarious 🤣🤣
I love Ernie's voice, he puts me at ease and I want to listen to all he says.
The don’t remind me segment was 🔥🔥💯💯🤣🤣
The story of Smity letting 3D know about his jumper @21:08 is hilarious lol
Brent is correct. John banged in so many clutch three pointers.
Man that Kenny Smith on the pistons story is cold.
8:10 that whole segment about John Stockton. I don't know who today's Stockton is, but spinning it around I can definitely say I believe Stockton would DOMINATE in today's league. He'd hold his own defensively but then in a league that practically pays defenders not to defend, he would just feast on those open spots and punish teams all over the perimeter inside and out and then create for others, and with his FT%, can't foul em.
Jazz fan over here, there are two former players I'd love to see in today's game: Stockton and Kirilenko they would fit in just great with Ingles, Mitchell and Gobert and be a defensive nightmare.
@@Recontramojado young kirilenko would be an absolute monster
nah men perimeter defenses are way better today 1. and 2 he was never a very willing scorer, i think his points per game would definitely be better but i don't see him as an elite scorer in order to dominate. he would be great as he was in the 90s while also having to deal with better schemes, larger perimeter players, zones and in general just more troublesome defenses for the perimeter.
Kenny wants to be right all the time
And he so damn wrong
"In your heyday, I'd say Manu Ginobli"
"I appreciate that, that's very kind of you"
"Well, your heyday was a small window"
"I appreciate that too"
lolol
Magic Johnson was a hooper showtime exciting he would've adjusted to any era and he would be unstoppable now
Kenny really said a lot of superstars today would be average in the PE teacher generations lmao
@ 24:10 🏆THE 90's was the 👉 " BEST ERA " for the NBA ( The game went Global, most athletic players and the BEST Draft classes)
Isaiah explaining magic johnson in the current era is what jokic is doing right now
I truly miss this show. They need to bring it back with Ernie and all of the former same players who have been on with him because the the chemistry is great.
People don't understand how GREAT Grant Hill was. I've always thought he's game was similar to LBJ!
@26:11 where Kenny loses his mind and starts talkin that BS. The most infuriating parts of the episode are the moments when he’s talking 🤣
the way they describe what magic johnson would look like in today's game is basically them describing how jokic plays
Kenny looks uncomfortable because he's nothing compared to anyone today lol
or to anyone baxk then to be honest.
roman lopez he actually reminds me of Mario chalmers or Norris cole lol
Kenny was a great player. You must have missed his career.
@@andreask8273 He was a great player but not an elite player.
@rudy2fat I'm not arguing that but to me there are guys at that level who are solid statistically like he and many others but Kenny was a strong leader and he was tough on the court. To me he was worth a lot more than his numbers which were strong.
Grant Hill just like Penny doesn't get enough respect now! People who played then and watched, know!
Kenny talks TOOOOO much
open court is the best sports show
Haha the BEEP PERSON has to be SWEATING when he finds out that Zeke is on Open Court today.
The 80s had offense like today don't let the fights brainwash you. Adrian Dantley, George Gervin, Mark Aguirre, and a plethora of players all were scoring machines. KD would feast in the 80s.
It's kinda interesting how Steve Kerr is the most open minded person. I find it annoying how people always say this modern era is the easiest to play. Like now the defensive schemes are so much harder to play in and it's so much more physically demanding.
i think the nba now is harder on defenses because they use the corners wings and the entire 3 point line so you have to cover the pain and the high post as well as the 3 ball and its just to much space to cover ..they probably should extend the 3 point line or make the basket higher or make the court longer cause teams score too easy now...its like cupcakes...
Getting rid of the illegal defense rule opened up that score board
That's because he's coaching in this era.
@@lubabalomengu1845 this was filmed before he was coaching tho. I tgink the reason why warriors succeeded was cause Kerr is so open minded and just uses his players skillsets to the best they can be usedz
@@medadleong746 yeah, he was GM in this era too. My point was, he's seen the evolution of the game up close. Instead of watching from the sidelines and reminiscing on the "tough" 80s and 90s....
Zeke is a fabulous analyst. If he wasn't a ex player you'd like he was a journalist or presenter. Born for the media
The intro here is my favorite intro out of most of the episodes here. Just great conversation
kenny wishes he's half as good as the current players now
Yeah kenny wishes he had the skills of kuzma
Kenny always making stupid arguments
moe lol fr
He's an idiot
We need this show back
32:05
Magic Johnson as a point center in todays game makes SO MUCH SENSE!
nikola jokic
@@johnpauldelrosario8640 damn right
25:45 Kenny nailed it. For years the MVP was a championship caliber player who made it or won the NBA finals at some point in their career, LIKE CLOCKWORK. They may not have won but they made it to the finals. Then all of the sudden, that metric changed. Players from relatively obscure teams with obscure success became MVP. The metric for greatness changed.
Kenny might be the most annoying person of all time.
The only players who have won an MVP who haven’t made it to the finals at some point in their career is Derrick Rose and Joel Embiid. Embiid still has time and Rose’s career was heavily impacted by injuries.
I love this show. Learn a lot but so entertaining. Before I know it I’ve watched 3 or 4 in a row!!
Bring back this show please
EJ Elevator Ernie!!!