This is Why You Should NOT Fit OE Tires To Your Car!
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- čas přidán 11. 02. 2024
- In this video we discuss why fitting the OE tire your vehicle came fitted with isn't always the best idea.
We know car manufacturers love to make a custom tire for their vehicle, but why do they do that and what does that mean for the driver?
For a lot of cars, the manufacturer often focuses on things that make the driving experience worse, or even unsafe.
This is why fitting OE or original equipment tyres isn't always the best idea.
The counter argument to this video can be found here:
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I would just like to reiterate the point that every OE tire development program is different, see here for an example for a VERY good one: czcams.com/video/COA630Juf_U/video.html however for the "bread and butter" vehicles the focus on rolling resistance / energy use is certainly detracting from qualities I, as a tire tester, see as very important qualities. Primarily wet grip.
The original equipment tires on a new car will be the smoothest, quietest, and best balanced that your car will ever see. IE: no wheel weights on OE tires. For wet and winter driving always look for “AA” traction designation of or on the tires.
6:49 you know misleading content is coming when you see plot graphs not starting at 0.
7:22 increasing braking distance so you hit at higher speed pedestrians, cars, reach end of the road... is always good advice to not start bars at 0. Speed of Impact for at 35.50 meters?
10:27 improving your lap times on streets by 4 times size bar measure is always the good way to show your point, who cares 400% bar really means -6% time. Cannonball racers they need your advice.
6:59 bigger is better, so 700% more blue wins. Thank you. that +20% more grip between worse and better is nothing compared with the speed of the crash you can obtain.
@@roysmith6118 I only replace tires at a shop that has the Hunter GSP9700 Road Force Machine, they get close matching highpoint of wheel to low point of tire for "near perfect" balance, but you are spot on!
Have you considered comparing new tires to identical aged tires? With recent inflation, buying used, or even NOS tires at reduced cost are becoming more and more tempting for some people. Would be a good way to inform the average driver of the downsides. 🤞
@@tzakati The only tires you should buy are new or remanufactured (retread, recap, remolded...). Tires are 5 to 10 times cheaper than fuel. You better save fuel to pay for new or renewed tires.
From a manufacturer and fittted in a shop, built according to EU EC regulation or EEUU's "DOTR number" with a warranty of used casing quality inspection and new rubber vulcanized and cured. Tend to cost 50% of new equivalent tires...truck, offroad, car, street, race, custom compounds... Any new tire is better than random used tires. No doubt. new good tires will pay by themself on fuel saving or lower wear than bad or used... they won't blow up or feel like wood becasue old rubber loses properties with heat, wear, mileage and uv and ozone exposure... the newer the better.
Otherwise, used tires need to go to recycling facility, there's no good, fair or safe use to any customer. IN fact, Tire REviews video on the topic (published some years ago) it maybe prosecuted in some jurisdictions for biased and hazzard advertising.
Lower tread depth OE tires is the automotive equivalent of those almost empty ink cartridges you get with a new printers.
so true 😭
@@tyrereviews I can see that none of the 3 tires have the same tread diameter, and this diameter change would effect efficiency and range in a way that would not be accurately reflected by the odometer reading, so such range would have to be compared using GPS or by counting laps.
Except that having less ink in the cartridge doesn't change the energy used in printing. i.e there is a relatively good reason for the lower starting tyre tread - it's a genuine tradeoff. Less ink is _just_ fleecing people.
@@xxwookey tires. not tyres. or fibre
@@nomercyinc6783 Not where I come from. 'tyre' is correct spelling for the rubber thing on vehicle wheels in the UK and 'tire' is something people do after too much exercise. It's also tyre in Australia, South Africa, India and probably most places apart from the USA and Canada. Although the US spelling is getting more commonly used outside the US, presumably due to the export of US culture in TV, film and chunks of the internet.
This was over 30 years ago but the OEM Goodyear Eagle GT+4's that came on Ford Taurus SHO's might have well as been Mickey Thompson street slicks in the snow, whereas the retail version of the same tire had actually pretty good snow grip. Really made me realize that two tires that look and are labeled the same can be totally different.
That's interesting there was such a big delta between snow grip!
Motorcycle companies are notorious for that. The Michelins you get on bikes like Royal Enfield isn't the same Michelins off the shelf. They're like 2mm shallower, and made in Brazil. Specially made cheap for high volume affordable bikes. Marketing ploy.
I bought an 85 GTI new. It came on Eagle GT HRs. Specifically made for the car. I only had the car a couple of months and popped one because I got cut off by a school bus and clipped a curb. It took them over a week to get one because they were all going to the VW factory in Pennsylvania. When they were all worn out, I replaced them with GT+4s and it was a big difference in ride and wet handling.
LOL..My 2023 Honda Pilot had the same problem and surprise, surprise, came with Goodyear Eagle GT tires. :-)
@@bigwave_dave8468 mine came with bridgestone alenzas
The OE tire has two missions:
1. Meet government requirements.
2. Provide a nice test drive.
the performance they cars are listed as having are with those tires. consumers arent always right. they are only right with matters of taste
I'm from Germany, local tests showed: OE tires have normally a harder compound -> less wear, less rolling resistance, but much poorer in the wet.
another thing, OE tires are normally not developed further after the car manufacturer ordered the tire at the beginning of the cars life cycle
Curb sniffing, ditch finders. But they get 0.1% better fuel distance per liter.
I worked for a major tyre maker here in the UK for 12 years. Tyres are made and developed around car manufacturers specifications regarding steering geometry and the vehicles breaking systems so as to maximise the vehicle’s efficiency on the road! But that in turn didn’t relate to the overall efficiency of the tyre. More often than not they would wear a hell of a lot quicker than a rival tyre of a different brand. I myself prefer to use Continental or Yokohama tyres. Better grip and longevity compared to others. But at the end of the day it comes down to cost and personal choice.
I've used the continental conticontact for years on several Chevrolet impala. been very pleased with them. (3 sets..over 12 years)
Wish I had seen this 6 months ago before I bought some OE Bridgstones for our 1 series...with 6mm tread depth, left a very bitter taste in my mouth!
Bought a 2018 subaru outback in the north east US that came with Bridgestone dueler hp sport. Those tires were horrible in the snow and received terrible ratings. I switched to Yokohama GO15 AT and whata tremendous difference. I wrote to subaru and asked why they would put suck a terrible tire on a car they advertised to be a great snow and off road vehicle. They sent me a check for $600 towards my new tires. They totally agreed so kudos to them. Great videos, thanks.
why don't you use seperate winter and summer tyres in america??
That's actually utterly amazing they did that!
@@ABVollen Some people run winter snows. It depends on your needs. I put snows on for the 1st time in 20 years last year--and it never snowed. What a waste.
@@ABVollen Cost, inconvenience, ignorance, and unnecessary for about half of the county. In the south states have to shut down the city because they so very rarely get snow therefore people don't know how to safely drive in it and the city doesn't have plows and salt. In northern states you see shields attached to the roadside mailboxes to protect against snow and ice plowed at near highway speed.
That’s honestly pretty hilarious. And good on them for being like “damn, we got called out” lol
This channel is a gold mine of information.
Thanks!
I love my Wildpeak Trails. When I bought my Highlander AWD (used) it came with brand new Firestone "fuel fighter" or whatever they were called tires. I dealt with them for a year before a puncture gave me an opportunity to upgrade. First off the Firestones absolutely paralyzed the Highlander in the snow. They would slip so easy it would fire up the traction control and just pretty much shut it down. I had to disable the ABS to be able to drive it home. When I upgraded to the Wildpeak Trails, the ride improved, the MPGs actually improved, and along with being absolute mint on the occasional fire trails and offroad rocky trails, they actually do really well in the snow.
Glad you're getting on with them. get a review on the site if you have them time :) www.tire-reviews.com/Tyre/Falken/Wildpeak-AT-Trail.htm
Agreed,
Data point: Mazda 3 spec tire with UTQG rating of B rated wet grip. Not only it sacrifice grip for MPG. The tire sidewall is really soft to improve ride comfort and noise to the point that it is weak against potholes. Relatively new car with destroyed tire and dent rim is a common sight in owners group on Facebook.
One of the common first thing people suggest to mod the car out from OE spec is to change the stock tire once anything go wrong with it at all.
Interesting. I always felt my Mazda 3 had very weak grip, in near all situations on originals
Try an aftermarket tire +MadsDKN, you might be surprised!
@@MadsDKN At the minimum, try new tires. Maybe Continental ExtremeContact DWS06+ 215/45R18 or PureContact LS if you prefer ride comfort over maximum grip.
But, if you want to improve overall performance further in term of handling, braking and acceleration. The stock wheel is 18x7 which weight a whopping 26.8 lbs each. That's another thing worth changing. You can easily find wider wheels which weight about 1/2 to 2/3 of stock.
I suspect Mazda might use heavy wheel + soft tire to iron out ride comfort, but it's a perfect storm to burst sidewall/dent rim in a pot hole.
This EXACT thing happened to me. 2022 Mazda3 Bridgestone Turanza EL440 garbage tire. First pothole flat tire, not repairable. Wheel was not damaged. I replaced them with Continental ExtemeContact DWS 06 Plus and the car radically improved. Replaced the one EL440 and put them on another Mazda3 which got sidewall damage and another flat today. Luckily repairable. Same for the Toyo A36 on my CX-5 non-repairable flat yesterday and it's known among owners as a problematic tire.
I agree, I have had 2 Mazda 3 premium hatchbacks and the Bridgestone Ecopia OE tires were good summer tires, but only good for one winter season instead Northeast Ohio. I thought the handling was spongy because my vehicle seemed to want to drifted and right. This
The work you put in is clearly a tremendous effort in thoroughness and consistency. I can't thank you enough. Subscribed!
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If you really want to know how bad an OEM tire can be, just try out a Gen 3 MINI Cooper JCW with the provided no performance under any condition Hankook runflat AS tires. These met no criteria… Not cheap, don’t ride well, bad in the wet, not great in the dry, they pull to one side, the car wanders. This on MINI’s performance car. Really bad. I replaced them with Conti DW tires. A night/day difference.
Your channel does a great job at separating out the factors for determining the right tire for one’s application. Greatly appreciate.
A suggestion for a test - On FWD cars, I have heard of people putting snow tires just on the front. How about a test showing how bad that can be? Possibly, also, a similar test with street tires, new on the front and worn on the rear? Yes, people do that.
I think North America does not allow you to mix winter and all season tires, at reputable tire dealers. But this is from a Canadian that lives in the USA.
People do all sorts of crazy things, not a bad idea to see just how bad.
There's actually a video covering that, probably 5 years old. It involved a lot of spinning.
I did that for fun once spiked winter tires in the front of the front wheel drive Opel Astra, it was fun to drift like that with no grip on the rear tires bit it was extremely unsafe to say it mildly. And here you get a huge fine for every summer tire you have on your car when it is snow and ice as it is highly illegal to drive on ice and snow with summer tires.
It's also banned in the EU. And it's really dangerous as you have grip only at the front so the car will oversteer. It happened to a lot of my friends, fortunately without injuries.
@@nealewalter It's not "North America" that does not allow mixed tires, rather it would most certainly be a company policy; as you referenced by "at reputable tire dealers". However different states have different laws and only some states require annual safety/emissions inspections. I live in about the middle of the US in a state which does not do inspections. Here I can drive on MAYPOPS (bald tire which may blow out soon) 365 days. But if the MAYPOPS are determined to be the cause of an accident then I'd be issued a traffic citation/ticket.
your channel single handedly led me to the vredestein all weathers which have been a game changer!
Glad you like them :D
Are they better than Michellin Cross Climates?
@@simonlivesey586 I've never used. Cheaper, yes. We get snow
@@simonlivesey586 I also had Vredestein all weather tires called the Quatrac (not to be confused with the Quatrac Pro which has a different tread pattern) on my Subaru and both my subjective feelings during rainy/wet road driving plus Tyre Reviews objective data, they are better...in the wet. I LOVED how they handled wet roads. Seriously, THE BEST WET WEATHER TIRES I have ever driven on. Never been so confident. Objectively though, according to tyre reviews, not as good in the snow/ice as the CrossClimate2s. But I drive on wet roads more than I do snowy/icy roads so that's a choice I'd make every time. Unfortunately for me, my preferred Vredestein isn't available for my new Subaru's wheel size (ironically this is what led me to choosing the Quatracs over the CC2s), so my next set of tires may have to be the CC2s. I will though look back at the data and adjust for my typical driving conditions before I decide.
@@simonlivesey586I have a Prius Prime and went to 16 inch wheels to get Michelin Cross Climate 2. 205 width. They were fabulous tires. The best I have ever had. The wheels I bought were cast and every time I hit a pothole they bent. I finally went back to the OE alloy wheel, 15 inch. I put Vredestein Quatrac 205 width on the car. There is NO comparison between the Michelin and Vredestein tires. The Michelin tires are better. Keep in mind the price the Michelin are $40+ more each. If I could find a 16 inch forged wheel that did not cost $700, I would go back to the Michelin Cross Climate.
Appreciate all the work you do to enable consumers to make an informed decision.
This episode was very interesting. Having purchased around 30 brand new autos at various price levels I have always replaced with OEM tires. My driving is 80% on highways at 70 -90 MPH. The features of rolling resistance, noise and dry handling are top notch. Around 40% of my vehicles have been 4 wheel or all wheel drive. These OEM tires turn to crap on wet pavement and snow, park your car! I have upgraded my tires last 4 new cars to better handling and wet pavement performance. You are spot on, Cheers!
Price quality longevity - in this case Aftermarket wins. Pays to be informed. Thanks Jonathan, keep up the good work.
My truck came with Kelly highway tires that, while very quiet and smooth on the road, were useless in the snow. I put up with them until I slid through an intersection while stopping from 15mph. Now I'm running some Falken Wildpeak at3w and won't be going back. I can actually drive safely in the winter and even retained my gas mileage to boot. The only thing I noticed was a little bit of extra noise but nothing I can't live with.
Nice upgrade :)
Last year, we were at a ski area parking lot last year for race training and this lady drives up in a brand new (still had some of the warning hang tags) Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid and promptly slides down the slight hill into a snowbank. She then proceeds to get more and more stuck. While the local kids pushed her out, she of course cursing about who knew her brand new car would be so bad in the snow.
I took one look at low rolling resistance tires with hardly any tread that they obviously put on for better mileage purposes, grabbed a pad of paper and wrote down to either get a set of Blizzaks to swap on in the winter or at the very least Cross Climate 2.
You're the hero we need
Yep. I just mentioned in another comment how I hate the come-with Michelins people seem to loooove. My Lacrosse could barely go over a small snow-bump without a running start. My Regal with Arctic Altimaxes easily got up and over the snow-fort left by Mr Plow, with the wheels cranked sharply to the left, just like it had claws.
@@joeschmo622Those General tires you have are better than the Blizzaks. They're based on the Nokian winter tire pattern.
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A long time back, when the road tax rate was related to emission tests, I bought a Honda Civic that was fitted with Michelin Primacy tyres, and it just squeezed under the zero tax limit on test. I don’t think there was any requirement to test an in service car later on depending on any replacement tyre though - I just had to declare that I hadn’t paid every year via the DVLA (one had to declare still being the registered owner, and declare that there was no payment).
I drive a current gen Mazda3 AWD hatchback (US Spec) with 215/45/18. It's a great handling car, but the OE Toyo tires equipped on that car was not up to the task. The OE Toyo tires was a roll resistant tires traction B tire good for fuel economy but is loud. It was awful in the rain B rated traction. I would hydroplane on the highway when I encounter a large pool of water. I swapped all 4 with only 21k miles on the car with Pirelli P Zero AS Plus. It's a game changer, braking is better, handles better, smoother, quieter, seems more durable for pot holes, way better in the rain, and they come in at 19.2 lbs vs the OE Toyo at 23 lbs. It's a faster tire in general, better turn in and response, even though my MPG took a 1 mpg hit, which is all worth it. It's just a more confident tire for people who like to do some spirited driving.
What you say is exactly true. Manufacturers as a businesses are thinking of ways to lower costs. But tyre manufacturers too. Try testing tyres that are worn let's say in half, especially all weather tyres. I have seen in the past how all weather tyres have the winter threads just a fiew millimeters on the top. After that it looks like a regular summer tyre.
Also car manufacturers are really pushing the bigger and wider tyres on customers and most of us really do not need them.
Just look inside the rims, the brake disks look so tiny, it's funny. But customers do not realise that those big tyres have a bigger costs. Here we change our tyres twice in an year and the difference between a 16" and 18" tyre swap is double. Getting new is atleast 50% more expensive if you get a 18" tyre. Also it reduses inside space.
Manufacturers want to be green, well how green is to put such big tyres, just for looks. Tyres are a major pollution factor too, made from petrol in essence and most of them live in a big garbage centers after end of life.
A colleague formerly working in a medium quality multi brand tire facility tells the story, that on a tire test in Germany 2 tires with different brand names of his componay has been tested, one nearby won the test and got a recommendation and the other failed completely. The point was, both tires were exact the same, just different brand names ...
And you think one brand didn't request their "same tire" to be made out of garbage?
@@ZealothPLthey're different names, SAME tire. I'm going to state "absolutely not" in response to your question, and we could use, from the USDM, the examples of the Geo/Chevrolet Prizm and the Toyota Corolla. Same cars. Same assembly plant. Same materials. One vastly out sold the other because of the NAME ALONE
@@MyerShift7 brother, companies make WORSE products under the SAME BRAND. Lays made for crap stores are packed in different bags and fried in worse oil. You really think a different brand makes exact same tire lmao?
I know of at least one tyre conpany that did very competitive deals to get their tyres into the OE market. It was based o research that showed the first couple of owners would generally put the same tyre on the car for three sets before cost and age of the car drove the owner then to a cheaper alternative.
I put my first falkens on my explorer for a couple years ago (couldn’t get my favorite (at the time,coopers). Been very satisfied with the falcons after 2+ years, snow, off road, rain and dry roads… happy to hear your positive comments on them
Back some 30 years ago OEM Tyre's actually lasted almost twice as long as that of the retail versions you could purchase from your Tyre shop, but no anymore now its the other way round.
That's because they are rock-hard and I can verify that you do get 2-3 better MPG. But wow they are horrible in rain and even a little snow. I couldn't even take turns at the posted speed when it wasn't raining. The replacements literally keep me from spinning out.
@@plektosgamingThe posted speed is only the maximum speed limit ,if conditions allow . You are supposed to slow down when you are taking a bend , even more so if it’s a sharp bend .
@@maskedavenger2578 quitter's mentality
@@Ovenman940 Only a complete 🔔end uses public roads like a racetrack . Seen plenty of idiots with your type of mentality end up dead on a slab because they thought they were clever .
@@Ovenman940 Were you exposed to lead whilst developing within the womb?
Had my eye on a set of OE tyres removed immediately after sale, now I know why they swapped them out!
I changed out the stock Falken Ziexs from my 2019 Forester to Wildpeak AT Trails of matching size, and the comfort change was still very noticeable. There was a minor fuel economy hit, but the better ride, snow performance, and overall demeanor changes made it worth every penny. I felt the back end hunker down during some aggressive maneuvers on dry, and in snow it just snapped itself back in line. In a northern climate, I can’t say I would consider a standard AS tire again. That snow rating is pretty impressive for what it was.
A shop a long time ago taught me that you should look for A Traction rated tires. It is a better tread design but not necessarily the most expensive tire. After that the it's up to you what to look for next. I like the Goodyear Assurance WeatherReady's on my suv. Good longevity and snow rated.
Great show as always! Can you do a test next time at a facility with wet testing, a directional tire going the wrong way versus the same tire going the right way? I see this often enough when people rotate their winter tires with a mechanic or tire shop that doesnt pay attention. Much love from the USA! You are a treasure!
I believe that it was Car and Driver magazine that tried that experiment with a Corvette a few decades ago when symmetrical directional tread patterns were still trendy. The results were negligible differences recorded in straight line wet traction acceleration and straight line wet traction deceleration.
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My ‘13 Focus ST came with the GY F-1 summer tires, which had very good grip but were easily damaged. I switched to the F-1 all-seasons because I drive long distances and can go from hot to freezing in one day. They were very good and I planned to replace them with new F-1s but my Lincoln dealer convinced me to try Continental DWS 06+ A/S and gave me a great price. They are a truly great tire. I’ve had them for almost three years and they are the best I’ve ever driven on.
Really informative video as always. I recently purchased a 2012 Audi A3, it’s a 1 owner low mileage car, the previous owner has looked after it very well and it still rides on the AO marked Cinturato P7. However when it comes time to replace I had considered fitting like for like but now I’m seriously looking at fitting either the P7 C2 tyre or the Continental PremiumContact 7 instead. I had a VW UP a few years back and the most transformative thing I did was replace the standard Bridgestone tyre (which funnily enough lasted only 10k miles) with PremiumContact 5s
Be great to see a test with some of the latest offerings like: Hankook Kinergy XP, Vredestein Quatrac Pro+, Nokian Remedy WRG5, Nokian Outpost APT, and Yokohama Geoplander CV 4s.
Always look forward to your outstanding analysis.
can’t agree more
switched my lil Scion from OE over to Michelins
unbelievable the changes it made in handling in all 4 seasons
and mostly it’s the comfort and quietness of the Michelins
and they also last almost 3 times as long as OE rubber
basically over the lifespan of the Michelin they saved me almost 1K
with unsurpassed better performance
Had Goodyear Invicta tires on my 2004 Honda Pilot when it was new. They were relatively quiet and comfortable but were terrifying in the rain. Being a front-drive biased AWD vehicle, it would "drift" around corners in the rain unless you were going quite slowly around the turn. Switched to Michelin LTX/Defender tires after less than a year and continued to do so past 200K miles.
My 2005 C-class and 2007 E-class came standard with Pirelli summer tires and I've stuck with Pirelli ever since. I did try Michellin and Continental tires once, but I didn't like them. I have upgraded from the standard Cinturatos to P-zero on both. The grip they have is great, very stable and surprisingly comfortable and quiet for sports/ high performance tires. I also like the thread pattern P-zeros have and, call me silly, but I like the small "MO" lettering on the tires. It's like a badge of pride... My Mercedes is with Mercedes Original tires. I can take care of my car.
Winter tires - that's another story... I go for Bridgestone Blizzaks. I don't know if they are OE tires and I don't care. Blizzaks are fantastic in winter. Even on tail-happy RWD cars. If I drive sensibly, there is minimal wheelspin in normal winter conditions and I can get going easily.
My Michelin Pilot Sport as4 are great in my 2010 e class and my continental extreme contact were night and day better than the pirelli p zeros I had on my 2005 c class
That info pans out to what I found on my SUV. It came with Kumho Solus fitted, which were against the General hss60s I replaced them with, terrible in the wet and winter performance also made me go buy a dedicated set of winters. I'd had aftermarket Kumhos before which weren't too bad so this all makes sense.
Thank you.
Those generals are good too
I put the AT trail on my F150, replacing the all seasons at the dealership. It’s amazing in the snow (we get lots in Alberta), awesome tire, looks great too.
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I work hand-in-hand with most OEMs and the Wildpeak A/T Trail has been a HUGE hit with my corner of the US! Most dealerships are carrying them now (at least among the Toyota network) and customers are raving about them!
It's amazing, I'm very exciting to test the AT4W now it's out
I have those AT tires on my CX-9. Looks great, and great performance too.
Both my Mustang and AMG GLC were shipped with Goodyear tyres. Whilst good in the dry, I found them not to be good in the wet. So I switched the Mustang’s tyres to Michelin AS3+ and the AMG’s to Pirelli Scorpions and now have no worries in the wet and light snow. I don’t even miss the older tyres’ run flat abilities.
Especially for a Mustang, I highly recommend the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S All Season or current model 5. Best tire I’ve ever owned, dead silent on NVH and glued to the road regardless of temperature or condition. Put 25k miles of spirited driving on a set and the tech doing a rotation asked me if they were brand new. They’re steep, but worth every penny.
@@OCtheG for sporty cars i would actually recommend two sets of tires, one for winter and one for summer because if you use the right tires for the right season you get much more performance out of them, better breaking and better in curves. All Season is okay for any standard car wich is not for sporty driving but other then that no, except you drive your sporty car like any other car, but then there would be no reason to buy such a car. You maybe loose a bit more tire life if you use performance tires but that should be no concern if driving a car wich should perform. Atleast in my opinion.
@@OCtheGyes, I have be flogging the Michelin PS5 for 6months, after owneing a couple of sets of PS4 and PSS. The PS5 are great. They are sit in between the PS4S and the PS4. Better sterring response than the PS4, and much quieter than the PS4- propbably due to being fitted to evs where tyre noise is dominant. I think the PS5 is the best all rounder street tyre. Cold wet weather braking grip is outstanding.
Great video…validated in my recent experience. I have a 2021 3500 Ram Laramie and tow a 2021 38ft 14.8K 5th wheel. 2 long trips last year on the OE tires (firestone trans force AT) from south Texas (1 - Grand Canyon (5.5 miles) and 2 - northern NY (6K miles). Both trips returned a 12.4 MPG for the trip duration. Was never happy with the OE tires (ride quality and wet handling not so great), so I replaced with a highway tire, the Michelin Defender LTX M/S (highest rated in class). This year we had a 5.5K Mile trip to Miami and back on the Michelins, and to my surprise we only got 10.2MPG for the trip. All trips the cruise was always set a 65 while traveling on highways. While the Michelins are noticeably more comfortable while the truck is not under load, while pulling the 5th wheel, the difference in comfort is basically non-existent. One 5.5K trip to Florida and back the Michelins cost me $370.00 more in diesel than the OEs would have (based on MPG/fuel costs along the trip). The Michelins cost maybe 175 more for the set, will probably get 20K more out of them before replacement…but in gas/MPG adjustments, I could essentially buy the OEH tires every 2 years and still be ahead in total cost… not sure I should have made the switch.🤷♂️
my goodyear efficientgrip 2s were great! it’s an updated version of the original goodyear EG, and it was amazing. great handling, low noise, superb comfort and improved fuel economy
So true - my '21 Elantra came with very good looking tires, but I quickly (once fall came) was having a hard time with the car - heavy rain people were all passing me and I was having a hard time (my Neons were way better I felt); and on dust/sandy imperfect roads it was not pleasant and I got to the breaking point after a winter with them - it was having a hard time even without the snow lifting the car much (granted I think I should have turned the traction control off when stuck). So All-Weather here and it was very interesting as Michellin change the game on companies investing in fantastic new designs. I ended up in Bridgestone WeatherPeak and got a bonus of them being a grade higher (likely due to the sidewall not being as sturdy with the rubber and deeper treads - so I had lots of sidewall to take on the extra stiffness - 16" wheel base - they go up to 19" for performance models). The weatherpeak minor mpg hit, but so much nicer for 3 seasons and I think at least equal in summer.
Imagine if I was still buying Bridgestone RE050A to my 2016 Fiesta ST200. Er... absolutely not.
Agreed, worst tyres I ever drive
I don't think Ford spent much time optimising tyres for the Fiesta ST. It was always a last minute parts bin car, which added to the charm. (ST150 = engine from Mondeo, brakes from a focus, steering rack restricted to somehow bodge in wider tyres. Didn't bother adjusting ride height for the bigger tyres, retain same gearbox ratios as the 1ltr petrol fiesta. Add a hint of leather and some ST badges).
My Falcon XR8 came fitted with Dunlop Sportmaxxx tyres which, as far as I can tell, are only good for doing burnouts (intentional or not). It was painful to throw away four basically new tyres but replacing them with Michelins was a huge upgrade.
Whilst i appreciate the difficulty of sourcing stuff, i think this would have been a more apples to apples comparison (and a little more interesting to me at least) with the same model of tyre in both OE and non-OE models.Tesla for example fit Michelin PS4's and Hankook EVO 3s as OE tyres, and both are also available on the general market. Sticking to just one of those (in OE and non-OE) would very much show the compromises and balances that occur when companies spec tyres to the vehicle.
I've a video on that too, with a M3 and a Audi ETron :)
@@tyrereviewsgreat. Is that live yet?
@@vigneshn.y3048 yep both are, one is linked in description
I thought the OE tyre prepared much better on the M3? The PS4S?
nice video explains why my new skoda Karoq on goodyear tyres does not look to have the same tread depth as ive seen in tyre shops
Would be interesting to compare the OE marked goodyear with the exact same tyre witout any OE mark. Even that change can make quite a cost difference, would be interesting to know if its a better all round tyre as well.
That was a great vid, thanks. On my Audi S5 I used to have 20" wheels on it with Michelin Pilot Sport tyres on her. I now have 18" wheels with Pirelli Sottozoro Winter tyres on! I know that sounds silly but here in the England there is a serious problem with potholes. If I put the 20's on right now it would be wheel suicide. They don't handle that great if pushed (she tends to understeer) & are limited to 130 MPH. That may not be a bad thing....I like my licence.....All the best....
Basically 90% of cars sold in the US: get the tires changed to something else ASAP!
Pro tip: sell them when they're unused and still under your car: that way the buyer can see they're a totally reliable purchase as they're not used so you're not selling potholed tires etc., and they can even test the cars and see they are fine by doing a short test drive or just by sitting in the car as a passenger. This means of course pre-selling the tires, usually you can manage that if you're a member of a car club and explain you want to sell the tires the car comes with. By being able to guarantee your tires are undamaged and brand new you'll get a massively better price for them.
Overall: No, don't wait for the tires to wear out as they use rock-hard horrible All-Seasons made to last the whole 3 years you own the car and more... Sell the tires to someone else or keep them as winter tires (if they're appropriate winter tires for your area), but even as winter tires such rock-hard ultra-long-lasting tires are far from ideal so best to sell them and get two new sets.
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Excellent balanced reviews again
I can confirm that with lower thread depth, I sow that on many cars, expensive and cheaper ones, not all of them, but a lot. I compared with same model, and the one from the shop had a way bigger thread depth, and ofc it lasted longer miles/km.
The Falken Azenis 460 is such a stellar tire. I have them on my GTI. They offer such good performance, I decided to sell my summer tire set and stick with them year round.
Midwest dweller with occasional heavy snow in the winter. Have put continental DWS on multiple cars: rwd, awd, fwd. They are always the best option. When i ran them on a 350z, no issue in snow. I run them on my supra, though it doesn't leave the garage in the snow.... because they grip very well even in the cold, and much longer tread life than a summer tire.
My M4 was fitted with Pilot Super Sports OE and they were widowmakers. Anything above 20% throttle in the wet and you'd be upside down in a field.
If it was first gen M4, it was quite a bitch to handle in wet even with different tires. Not as bad with manual tranny, but automatic was always itchy. I didn't like it and BMW didn't like my review either. Manual M240i was much driver friendlier and much usable car in every conditions (much closer to my M3 E46 than new M4), not much slower in real world.
Off the record I have tested those PSS* and you are totally correct, really bad in the wet. Put the PS4S on (NOT * marked) and it's a different world
@tyrereviews so it depends - sometime the car & tyre manufacturer gets it right and you end up with a OE approved tyre that's very good and other times they're just plain sh*t. You did a review of the BMW approved M3 tyre that was well matched compared to the generic MPPS4S.
@@tyrereviews Funny is I was probably on of the firsts in the world who was able to try then new Pilot SuperSports. It was starting to rain and we had Méganes RS Cup cars. It was WAY MUCH better than different Michelins. Car turn like hungry dog into hairpin even on damp track. These FWD hothatches just couldn't understeer. I remember every FWD hothatch was quite good even in wet on these tires. But I know there are small differences in OE tires and I can't tell which type Renault used and which other brands. But Hyundais i30N, Meganes RS and Peugeots GTIs were wery good in damp and even wet on these Michelins. My friend bought ones from the shelf on his Porsche 911 GTS 997.2 and I can't say these tires are bad in changeable weather either. Still quite good on a damp track, even on very tricky Nordschleife. I agree that on some RWD machines these tires can be very unpredictable and for everyday use, I would buy absolutely great Pilot Sport 4.
My 2 series came with Pilot Super Sports, and I absolutely love them. If you look at them, you'll see that the pattern is not meant for crazy wet performance, so I don't expect them to cut through water like a knife, but I find they stick well even on wet surfaces with not too much water.
My BMW came with RFT summer tires. I went for a high performance AS tire and increase in ride quality was immediate coupled with the adaptive air suspension.
Great review as always - Question: If a vehicle has different tire pressure options based on load, what do you set to during testing? In NA, most OEs have one setting (full load), whereas in EU normal and full load settings are common for cars - I've experimented with my car and airing down the rear under normal load improves comfort - perhaps you'd consider doing a video on how air pressure affects performance when lightly loaded (like most commutes)
That confirms my experience. Dodge Charger on Pirelli P Zero Nero (AS) and Camaro ZL1 with Goodyear Eagle Sport 3 (summer) both lasted 2 years (minus winters, when I use winter set of tires), so around 10k miles.
Great consumer advice, bro!
Glad you think so!
The one OE tire that we got exceptional performance was the Michelins that came on our 2014 Ford Edge. We got 50,000 miles out of them. They were rotated every 5,000 miles. On the other hand, the OE Bridgestone Duelers that came with my 2019 Ford Ranger only lasted 32,000 miles. I replaced those with Falken Wildpeak AT tires.
The only stock OEM tires I was really satisfied with are the Firestone Firehawk GTA tires that came as OE tires on my 1993 Ford Lightning. Tenacious grip when dry and I assumed they would be bad in the snow. Was I wrong! They would go through snow until it was deep enough to drag the frame. Of course the limited slip differential didn’t hurt but the first and second generation Lightnings were just RWD. I was so impressed with those tires that purchased 2 more sets when the OE’s wore out. By the time I needed a 4th set they were no longer made! Kept that truck till 2019!
Best OE tires I’ve owned were the Firestone Destination AT that came with our 2020 Cherokee TH. Those tires were great on the hwy and when I replace them a few days ago with Firestone’s “new” AT2 they had 50k miles on them and would have probably gone another 15-20k. I wasn’t ez on them either! I wanted the improved snow/ice traction of the AT2, so I couldn’t wait any longer for the obsolete AT’s to wear out. AT2 seem just as good on the hwy and my snow test a few days ago shows they are, as advertised, much better in snow/ice than the old AT. If they go 50k too I’ll be very pleased.
Oh, the Firestones seem to be less expensive than the Falkens, which I looked at too.
Worked for Firestone during a strike (with collar employee). We loaded a boxcar with 14x255 tires, then a second with the same size. Second load, first tire I picked up, I asked the supervisor why were these tires so much lighter than the last. The reason was te first was built for Firestone, the second was built to Ford specifications as they wanted a lighter weight tire.
Great review. Interesting comparison. If the Tesla were my car I'd wear out those OE Good Year tires then replace them with the Falken Azenis.
My 2019 RAV4 came with Firestone Destination LE 2, what a horrible tire, I drove on them for less than 50 miles before replacing them with the Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus with some 18 inch rims to go with them. Before winter hit I put some Hankook Winter i*cept W320 tires on the OE rims. I really like this tire combo and will likely use the newer versions of these tires when replacing them in a few years. Thanks for your very practical and timely reviews!
Both my my GR Yaris and Golf R 7.5 came with OEM MPS4S's. Absolutely spot on for grip, feel, comfort, noise, wear rates in most driving except snow and I see no reason to deviate come replacement time
@@snackler6102 I think they are the same?
My daughter hit a curb with her older Firestone winter tires and blew a sidewall on her awd Volvo S60R. She now has Michelin Pilot Sport AS4's, and the thing steers like a razor blade. The new tire technology is incredible.
Awesome information, as usual. It would be interesting to take the manufacturer out of the equation. So comparing an OE Goodyear to it's aftermarket equivalent (from Goodyear). Or an OE Pirelli P7 with an aftermarket on, for BMW. I think that comparison would be more fair, since you can get those kind of differences when testing different brands against one another even without having one be OE.
I had a 2000 Toyota Camry with General HP400 A/S tires. Those were probably the worst OE tires I had with very marginal grip.
I’ve bought Yokohama, Continental, Michelin, Bridgestone, Falken, BF Goodrich, GT Radial, Toyo, Vredestein, and what I can definitely say is not to cheap out on tires.
It’s amazing how the right set of tires can really transform how your car performs.
Some of the older Michelins, like the Premier A/S and Primary Tour A/S (both are aftermarket tires, but some cars came with them as OE tires) came with less tread depth, as that's how Michelin designed them.
very interesting information!!
Excellent review Tyre as always. I have a quick question. I have a 2019 CRV stock size 235 65R 17 104H. I'm thinking of changing my tires to the Michelin CrossClimate2 245 65R 17 107H. Would it be better choice or should I stick to the stock size?
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Thanks for the video. Also, a suggestion for a future one... It seems Bridgestone has launched some time ago the 16 inch version (205/55/R16) of the new Turanza 6... On a future tyre test video, it would be nice to see it pitted against the T005 and other tyres of the same segment (Primacy 4+, Efficient Grip 2, PremiumContact 7, etc...). Is it really better than the older T005?
Would like to see an OE version of a tire tested agains the same non-OE model of the tire. When it was time to replace the OE Hankook Ventus S1 Evo 2 summer tires on my Audi A5, I replaced them with the same OE Hankook tire that Audi fitted at the factory. High dry and decent wet grip, low noise, good turn in, good ride comfort and competitive price. Nothing like having a tire engineered to work with the specific vehicle. If I wanted to pay 1/2 again as much for Michelin’s best sport tire, I might like it more. But I knew Hankook and Audi nailed it so didn’t feel I needed to cast about trying to improve on what the professionals came up with.
Can confirm for the current model CLA PHEV, the stock Bridgestone Turanza runflats were awful at pretty much everything and definitely were meant for the ICE version as they could not withstand the EV weight and torque, went through them in almost 2 years and 10k miles. Switched to SportContact 7 last summer and the difference is night and day, at the expense of a little bit more rolling resistance.
Foam inserts? Can they be repaired if punctured? Great detailed review. 👍
Kicking myself right now, just fitted a set of Goodyear Eagle F1's to my new car, after having used Falken's for years, really without complaint. I just wanted to go Premium Brand as I foolishly felt a bit flush !! After watching this video and used the Goodyears for a couple of months now, yes they are better for me overall, but really I have known and trusted Falkens for a long time and for me, I think I'll be going back to them when I need new tyres, which I guess will be a little sooner than I would have hoped.
Thanks, very frank and informative video
The after market goodyears might be better than the OE goodyears though. What's the tread depth? 7mm+ is good
From memory, Top Gear has only done a braking test once. They were using the SLR McLaren to show that it could do 140mph to 0 in the same distance the highway code says it should take to do 70mph to 0.
I remember that episode! What a car
They've done Braking tests must more than that! The Porsche 911 one always comes to my mind.
A darn good video.
Informative.
I‘m very happy with the OM Michelin Pilot Sport on my Model 3 SR 🤷♂️
I've been using the Honda Civic e:hev OE PS4 tyres and the fuel economy is averaging 63mpg in mixed driving and I've done 51000km+ (32000mi+) on the same front tyres and still have ~3mm of tread. Incredible tyres and I find them lasting longer than the Pirelli P7s which I had to replace at around 47000km.
That's incredible!
Great video - very informative.
Glad it was helpful!
Have a Merc e350 2015. OE tyres are terrible for dry and wet grip. Twitchy as anything. My old Volvo XC60 from 2012 has way more grip. Very odd. Looking for other options when they are due for change. Excellent review. Thank you.
Some of this video & lots of comments rings very true with my experience. We bought a Kia Xceed PHEV in Oct 21. It came with Continental Conti sport 5. They were done before 11k miles. It never felt nice with them on. Just too soft & vague on our Kia. Maybe the front end is too heavy for the tyres. Now got all season tyres on. What a difference. Never had a car so transformed by different tyres to be honest.
I never replace tyres with exact replacement tyres. My last car was a 1990 Volvo 240DL estate. The original size was discontinued before production of the model ended. I hated the handling of the original tyre anyway. My current car is a 2004 Toyota Carolla. It runs Michelin Defender in a 195/75R15 94H. In winter, Nokian Haakappilliitta R5 in a 185/65R15.
My Hyundai ix35 came with Kumho tyres which have been excellent. They are quiet, and I have never experienced any issues with grip in any weather (I've never driven in snow though as I live in the North Island of New Zealand). They are eco tyres as well, so I presume they are pretty efficient. The car is coming up to 10 years old and has done 92,000 km, and the original tyres are still going strong, with probably enough tread to make it to at least 100,000 km.
Good information
Great advice, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I stuck on some Bridgestones a previous group test recommended, on my old EV; even though the rolling resistance is significantly higher than the recommended EV tyres, I dont see ANY reduction in range; this could be because regen pulls back so much power into the battery, and it would only show up on long, uninterrupted drives.
I cant make a direct comparison, because the previous owner fitted winter tyres (O^O), which felt HORRIBLE; but at 7 years old, the car is still achieving or exceeding the range advertised when new, despite losing 0.9KWh of battery capacity.
I have used Falcon tyres for 20 years and I think they are very good.
Interesting video! Also - love the set of your studi - lighting and how the video looks. Looking forward to the next one. :) One small thing - it would be nice to include set data in the charts (breaking from which speed for example). Keep up the good content, love it!
I’ve always put uniroyal rain sports on all my cars for the past 25 years [BMW] as soon as the one tyres needed changing. Excellent wet grip and good dry grip. Good all round tyre
The OEM tires I had was 215/75R15 but I decided to replace it with a little wider 235/75R15 Goodyear Duratrac and it was a good set then I recently replaced those after 6 years with the Falken Wildpeak AT3W 235/75R15 and it’s the first time I’ve ever had Falken tires, I’ll see how well those handles the conditions and the longevity.
Very interesting video, I had necer considered this.
Great video. What would you recommend for a new model bmw128ti, standard tyres are bridgestone turanza T005. Car is a daily driver all year. Thanks in advance.
Learned this years ago in 2013 when I bought a Subaru Legacy. In snow, the car wanted to go off the road when my wife was driving it (we live on a mountain). Suffice to say, I knew the tires were bad and did research and found on all weather tire, the Michelin CrossClimate tires and those were very good in all weather conditions, including snow. Now the Subaru has no problems even though we lost 1 mpg over the old OE tires safety definitely comes first. By the way, I first got snow tires until the Michelin's came out a few years later.