"You don't sack Tuchel and go to Potter" 👀 | Carragher and Neville on Graham Potter's sacking
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Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher share what they think Graham Potter should do after leaving Chelsea and who the club should replace him with.
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Gary ‘at this moment in time’ Neville
Kaveh “well look” Solhekol
@@oneoneday 😂😂😂😂😂
Gary "in the last 12-18 months"
Gary "to be fair" Neville
😂😂😂
Nobody’s talking about how potter just made his retirement money for 7 months work that guys a g 👆
Yeah 60 million
Fr
@@GFGFNDTY67 ???
@@GFGFNDTY67 nope he is not getting anything near that because he had a bottom half clause in his contract
@@Retro16 😂😂 No he didn’t potter just robbed Chelsea for 60 m’s and just 7 wins in the league aswell 👌🏽
Chelsea fan here, agreed with everything Jamie said about the club. First Boehly got rid of any long standing staff who had any relationship with Abramovich, and these people are the heart and soul of the club…. Then Tuchel getting sacked absolutely broke my heart, I was so desperate for us to stop this culture of sacking managers when it gets bad, I mean when he won the champions league the season before under incredible circumstances and had the love and support of the fans who backed him over player power. So after that I just felt like my club wasn’t my club anymore…..football today is ruthless.
You're contradicting yourself mate
This obsession clubs now have with sacking managers during any short period of failing to get wins is doing football more harm then good imo. Clubs like Arsenal and Liverpool who have been patient with their manager and allowed them to build something over multiple seasons pays off massively and enables them to have long term success (I know this isnt the case for Livepool currently but thats more down to a lack of spending and replacing their ageing players). Imagine if more clubs had the patience to allow their managers to build something worthwhile and ride out the periods where results arent coming. We may see so many more teams playing great football.
Except the long standing staff are the ones who wanted to leave, Boehly wanted to keep Marina and Cech.. they decided to go..
@@ibraheemmonks8866 like buying stocks
Club needed to be rebuilt top to bottom it’s that simple old ownership left us in that state
I can't believe we're in the same season that saw Tuchel lose to Jesse Marsch's Leeds 3-0, and that infamous handshake with Conte (now all three managers sacked), and seeing Chelsea spend 600 mil over two transfer windows, AND now sacking the new manager already. This season feels like it's been two years long (in no small part to the World Cup, also).
Highest number of managers gettin the sack this season that any others. It feels like it. But bringing it full circle like that had me laughin a bit, different times. I fear Gone are the days where rivalries are built between managers
And they've now brought in Frank Lampard 😶
Graham Potter is a magician, the man took a Swedish team from the 4th tier to winning the Swedish Cup and beating Arsenal at the Emirates in the Europa League, he then went on to turn Brighton from a relegation team to top 6 contenders. Now he has secured his retirement money and robbed plastic Chelsea, top bloke!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Chelsea are gonna be a real problem for the North Macedonian Premier League Champions next season down in the Conference League
@@sarahprahler9207 let's see how is team does in UCL next season:))
Great cv of a midtable manager
You had us in the first half
Graham Potter is laughing all the way to the bank.
@@mrbald8760 he dont need to work ever again
Given their history, anyone who takes the Chelsea job knows it will only be a matter of time before they get sacked. Potter was quite right to take it .He's set up for life now after just 7 months work..
😂😂😂 i beg someone do a meme of potter saying 60m’s babbyyy like Conor did with the“Dana 60 g’s babbyyy
he can spend money on therapy after being abused for 7 months
@@Unspoken_T187 he only getting 13 mill
Gary really said 'Pochetino', leaned back and kept a straight face 😭
exactly my thought 😂 pochetino’s chance at the top is over
@@chibuikeezeugwu9519 He only had one chance at PSG and every manager has been failing there... u don't win the cl and ur considered a failure. Yet pep hasn't won the CL at city he's been there how long? Yet He's considered the best which i disagree with btw.
@@chibuikeezeugwu9519 What are u talkin about
@@drowzey5762 Arguably not the best but definitely one of the best. But yes, if he leaves city without winning the ucl he goes down my list.
Poch is a great manager and will have a shot at a big club again
The owners don’t know what they are doing
Nah they're tactical geniuses with the 443 philosophy
you dont know what you are doing,
Tod ain’t got a clue what he’s doing they will completely mess Chelsea up and I love it 😂😂😂
All they have to do is leave the football decisions to the people they've hired. They are too involved and that is why everything has been a shambles.
@@drive9912 the decisions they have already made could have long lasting impact tho if the new manager can’t get it to work they can’t repeat the spend they just had. I reckon about 200/300m more before they literally can’t spend nothing lol
Just sat through 6mins of solid convo just for the video to end with Gary saying Chelsea should hire Pochettino 😭😭
We didn't deserve that ending bro😭😭😂
Ban MCFC
I think it would be a good choice. He done great at Tottenham, overprrformed there. Then he was at PSG, which is an unmanageable club. I think he would suit the job at Chelsea
If Poch cant handle big ego players at PSG, how he handle big players at Chelsea? Sometimes it takes big reputation manager to handle such squad. So each of the players will really respect and play for the manager. If unknown manager takeover Chelsea, im sure it will be the same result again next season.
@@fitrivanpersie5928 i dont think it was he couldn't handle the egos of psg players. It's that the job there is particular : players play without pressure, winning the ligue 1 each year, and being a money attraction for the club, while being protected by Nasser. Verrati never felt threatened. So no manager can do anything about such a situation.
However, as Ian Wright said, the situation is crazy. They have a lot of young players with a 7 years contracts. So no pressure for them, if they are asked go leave, someone has go pay a lot for them, and otherwise, they are there for years in a comfort zone. Boehly really don't understand that sport..
As a Chelsea fan I really hope Potter succeeds at his next club. He was thrown into the lions den here at Chelsea, and as always the manger is the scapegoat. The majority of these players have got Tuchel and now Potter sacked in the same season, you can't put everything at the feet of the manager.
The players don’t perform
Then you look at manager end of..
@@peterabnormal327 but at what point does it come to the players not being good enough or putting the effort in
look at these stats ffs 30 match too late
Sure the players have to perform, but half the players on the field don't seem to know what their role is supposed to be. And then you've got players that have been there for a while who are probably wondering if they're even wanted there anymore with all the new players being brought in. So the new players that come in then must feel like they're stepping onto a sinking ship. It's like throwing jewelry into a mud pit and expecting it to shine.
I completely understand but the quality of the players we have, we should be performing better than we have. And that falls at Potters feet. Lineups so questionable he has to chop and change in game. Team coming out and looking headless after 30 games. At some point, he has to be questioned and after 30 games the evidence has shown he’s not good enough for Chelsea - especially based on what you’ve become accustomed with.
Makes no sense as to why he even got the shot in the first place. He had done nothing of merit to warrant it. As Carra summed up perfectly, you don’t go from Tuchel to Potter. Chelsea fans are iffy/against the idea of Poch & he’s done more to deserve it
I ended the video with a laugh with that "pochettino" 🤣
What do Chelsea and voldermort have in common??? - both destroyed by Potter 😂
Underrated comment
Voldermort didn’t walk away with 60 mill for his retirement fund👀
@@115ffpandthephantomtreble apparently he agreed to give up on some of the money he was entitled to. He took only a small part of that severance amount.
@@siddharthrox yeah yeah you believe that 🤣
@@siddharthrox Another instance of Potter showing he has more class than Chelsea, they don't deserve him
Vintage Gary Neville at the start of the video 😂😂😂
Surprise he never said “in the last 12 to 18 months” at any point throughout this video😂
If Mourinho was given the job instead of Potter in september, and having spent 600m with these kinds if performances & results there would be no chance he would’ve been in the job this long. Media treat different manager’s differently and that shows bias
Tuchel to Potter reminds me of Benitez to Hodgson.
English managers are over-hyped and generally do well at mid-table clubs but once they come to top clubs, they freeze.
Eddie Howe might be an exception given how he's bringing Newcastle up.
That's not fair mate he was given 8 or 9 new players and told to build a team. It never works. Too much too soon . Look at Newcastle...look at who they signed compared to Chelsea. Its the way clubs are run not managers
@MomPickMeUpImScared but you can that's the thing. How many clubs have hired too much too soon? Does it ever work? Some ceo's think it's football manager
The notion of being given time is much more contextual than people seem to appreciate. Therea a difference between being given a couple of years while you're finishing in the top 4 or 6 compared to being given time when you're near enough in relegation battles. These are two very different scenarios.
Not always. When Ferguson came in, United were nearer the bottom than the top. And they had sooner been relegated than they had been champions, if my memory serves me correctly.
He was given enough time to turn it around, and he did. But, as Jamie said, he had the CV from Aberdeen. Potter was missing that in this case.
@Mubashir A. OK that's now one manager, one example, in how many years, 40, 50? That's basically statistically insignificant
4:18 great Potter impression there, Gary. Darren Farley would be proud.
I feel so bad for him. He routed for him when I was at Brighton. Such a wrong move He made 😩
Well at least he won the lottery
Don't worry mate, he definitely isn't feeling bad right now lol.
I know right 😂😂.. that man issa legend
Carragher spot on as usual
As a Chelsea fan it hurts to see the club is in shambles, but I hope it became a humbling experience for all parties involved, the staff, the higher up and the fans. I amazed that Chelsea has several long-term system while exploiting the short term deal and the success they had, but the new owner can't even understand basic football and spend here and there without any thought. Potter is a good manager, but the animal at the zoo is let loose and the higher ups expect him to keep them all in.
I think that No European football for us next season is a great platform for the club to look at the mirror and to re-build the team properly.
I wonder where Porter will go next… imagine if Leicester went for him in the summer. I doubt it but can you imagine
Harsh but Carragher isn't wrong. Chelsea did with Potter what Man City did with Mark Hughes they had one good season then went somewhere with a big war chest and got exposed for not knowing what they are doing with a project of this nature.
Abu Dhabi didn’t first bring hughes in buddy it was the previous owner
A horrific comparison.
Carragher is sat in an air-conditioned TV studio. He should maybe get off his ass and go and become a coach beautiful before talking about Potter and others.
Adam have you just started watching football??
@@Unspoken_T187 I know but they could have replaced him.
Nice one mate, Jamie C is so clever
Imagine what Tuchel could have done with that budget and/or these players...
We saw what Tuchel did. Southampton, Leeds, Zagreb...
@@Harryhas26Barely even had the season? Literally finished 3rd the previous season with two domestic cup finals?
@@ebnest123 Yeah and how did it go after that? 42 points from a possible 93. Awful football and a terrible transfer window. I'm tired of Tuchel revisionism.
@@Harryhas26 And look where we're at now 11th place on our third manager of the season
@@ebnest123 Tbf TT was kinda losing his way early on, ofc he wouldnt have been as bad as Potter but i dont think he was making the right moves or picking the right ppl. We were in danger of not getting out of the group stages because of him. The fact that they overpaid for lukaku and he didnt make it work or even tried to was quite telling.
At this moment in time, there is time in the moment.
Rafa Benitez won two La Ligas with Valencia … with Valencia …😊 … so underrated
Valencia had played back to back UCL finals in 2000 and 2001. Valencia was a great team before lost everything when the majority shareholders began speculating with its real state.
@@Boredoutofmywits correct.
Problem is when the manager has no say in the signings of players that goes for a lot of clubs
Can't believe I'm saying this but carragher is speaking facts 😂
Todd beohly basically is your younger brother changing the game settings on your console when he plays 😂
Probably wouldn't be a bad idea for Potter to take a year out like Eddie Howe did and come back better. Maybe go and study under a top manager in a foreign league.
None of these pundits never said potter wasn't good enough when he was hired
That's not really what they're saying (though Carragher is making little sense as per) he's saying "a bad fit" and "I'm not saying he would succeed at a big club" - but then undermining that with £You don't go from Tuchel to Potter." While Neville's saying Chelsea are basically a lunatic asylum at present and Potter will have wanted out, without remarking whether he was was good enough or not.
Dave gives a “more modern equivalent” that’s 30 years old. 😂
Carragher with the facts and I respect him for that. Oh Neville🤦♀️
I swear Gary Neville’s tombstone will eventually read ”Here lies, at this moment in time, Gary Neville”
... that was the best analysis of potter situation. All the best to him, Chelsea is a massive club. It needs someone with a big ego
I agree with everything said in this video. One of the best bits of punditry i've watched in a long time.
Spot on, Jamie.
"At this moment in time" Chelsea threw so much money away at Potter
This is a very good topics for him to alter any negatives issue that Liverpool had.
Pundits is a nice job to have these days if they don't have the ability to coach.
Loved that Dallas reference😂😂
Agree 100% with Gary about the nightmare story. Potter is a pragmatist, he likes operating strategically and analytically and builds players past their perceived "ceiling". Sure he had the benefit of Brighton clearly being an impeccably ran football club, but it's almost not surprising.
Please don't go to Spurs tho Graham. Both Conte and Mourinho, serial winners in multiple counties, made that mistake and came out shadows of their former selves
On what basis are you saying Brighton is impeccably run
@@sofnaji their recruitment is A*, their upward trajectory is clear for everyone to see and the owner doesn't take a penny out of the club. He actually uses his company's software to maximize on recruitment strategies
@@ah_helou2845 what does your statement have to do with anything? I just listed why people say Brighton is well run. You're pulling an argument out of thin air.
@@cathy4697 fair enough
@@sofnajias Kathy4697 says, their progress over the last 13 years has been absolutely exemplary.
Tony Bloom takes over in 2009 with a long term view to bring the club up the footballing ladder, and is an early example of owners adopting an analytical approach to maintain sustainable club spending. They get promoted from League One to the Championship in 2010-11, and move to the Falmer Stadium (aka the Amex) in summer 2011, the first time they've had a home for 15 years.
6 seasons later, they get promoted from Championship to the Prem in 2017 under Chris Hughton. They break their record signing a couple of times (up to £13m) that summer but nothing like the spending we've seen from newly promoted Fulham and Notts Forest sides since then.
Then they finish 15th in Prem in their first season, the highest finish in the club's history, and even dip into the top 10 at several points across that season.
Second season started well, also got to the semis of the FA Cup, but had a sharp drop off towards the end leading to their (controversially) sacking Hughton.
They appoint relatively inexperienced Swansea manager in Graham Potter and he leads them to 15th and 16th finishes. Then they came 9th in 21-22, and are currently pushing for Europe spots under Potter's successor De Zerbi.
Throughout this, they have operated on a net positive spend. For about 3 years, their intricate passing and possession based style has been far more attractive than the styles of Man United, Spurs, Chelsea and (formerly) Arsenal despite those clubs spending hundreds of millions more every year. Every time Brighton get dealt a seemingly big blow, they've emerged stronger. Hughton sacked controversiallly, Potter brings them to new heights with a delightful playing style. Potter leaves for Chelsea, De Zerbi joins who appears an upgrade even on Potter.
They bring in talent for cheap, sell them for lots, then repeat. Bissouma goes to Spurs for £50m, everyone thinks Brighton are going to struggle, then £5m Caicedo steps up and is now allegedly worth £70m. Evan Ferguson, Mitoma, Sanchez, Ben White, all these players brought in for >£10m massively appreciate in value during their Brighton tenure and, when they're sold for tens of millions, Brighton pull out another cheaply acquired gem in their place. And repeat.
They're the epitome of a sustainable, competitive, progressive club. They're really engaged with their fanbass, the owners are very in touch and democratic and passionate about the club.
In my view, Brighton might be the best run club in Europe. And it's a shame that, despite being so well run, they might never break into the top 4 permanently because of the wealth gap. If anything, the biggest argument for strict Financial Regulation in football is that a team can be as perfectly run as Brighton, and yet still hardly stand a chance of competing for top prizes. We desperately need financial regulation
(From a Liverpool fan)
Agreed with Jamie, when u dont have great CVs u cant loose that many game. U need to proof everybody you are the right person. Look at what Arteta done, during his early season. Play pragmatic, try to noot loose, try to win cup. That gave hime the belive from the player, board & the fans
I worked with a bunch of chelsea season ticket holders and the chop / change mentality never bothered them, they won everything doing it that way and expected it, not all clubs are run like Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal. There is no correct formula, winning is key
The last 5 second of the video made me chuckle. Great bit
Potter massive pay off. Good one ☝️
This is a different chelsea I can't see the immediate future being too fortunate for them
Before the video started I wondered how long it would take before Gary said 'this moment in time.' 0.2 seconds is the answer.
Concluding on Poch is a madness.
I wish nothing but the best for Potter in the future. The move to a club of our sort of stature came way too soon in his career. Brighton was the right place for him, in hindsight he may wish he declined he Chelsea move and stay at Brighton. This like Carra said is probably the first move that ownership got right
I think that he'll have no regrets about joining Chelsea. His stock was peaking at Brighton, and so I understand why he chose to cash in on his popularity at that moment in time. While I agree that he should have remained at Brighton, he had nothing to lose and everything to gain by moving to Chelsea. After all, the worst that can happen now that he has been fired is that his reputation will reset to pre-Chelsea levels, which is hardly a disaster.
And also he made and has made lots of money since moving to Chelsea
Nah, its not about stature as both pundits know, "your" club is being run like an asylum. Most mangers would have hated it and struggled.
It wasn’t alot for him..but idrc ow good u are or how tactical u are as a manager,poor decision will be ur downfall…he decided to play a midfielder as a striker..when u have auba and fofana with lots of experience.. even sterling in that striker position would have done better than harvetz..even playing cucurella at defense when u have badeshille on the bench..loftus cheek on the wing when noni and mudryk is on the bench..no link up between the left backs and wingers for a cross ..no pattern just individual brillance frm the players.. every successful team in epl rn has a proper striker
They gave the manager too many sweets.
Sweets he didn't want
@@leemc5646 and it was a case of it being a bit of a mess at the end
Zidane wouldnt even pick up the phone if they called
😂😂😂😂
My god literally the first words of this video were “moment in time”
CANT BELIEVE TERRY VENABLES IS IN TOP POSITION TO TAKE THE JOB😮
4.25 gary talking from his own experience at Valencia 😊
This is a great job for the next coach plenty of talent inheriting a team with a GD of -1 in 11th place there's nowhere to go but up and a nice salary to boot.
Potter is a magician, got paid out just to let Chelsea get toast
This is not the first thing he (the owner) got right!! Potter shouldn't have been offered the job at all!
Brilliant analysis by both
Quote of the year, “you gave the manager too many sweets.”
Graham Potter might wake up and pretend this episode never happened in his life, but his bank balance will disagree.
Potter just hit the lotto
When a manager gets fired, These pundits should be shown a reel of what they said when he got appointed.
Made me laugh gary remembering bobby in dallas they killed him off and brought him back the next season and it was all a dream 😂😂😂
Neville went to Spain 🇪🇸 come back and talk like he’s supposed successful as a coach 😂
Why's carragher opening his gob, he never won a PL. 😂
@@np8820 So he can't have a say? He's got a better football CV than any of us...
Don’t even need a good cv to have an opinion, everyone entitled to their opinion….
Only someone like Mourinho can bring them back on track.
Ran outta steam
He won't like working with young players who Chelsea have blown over half a billion on though
ahahahhahaha joao felix
The Potter project was successful with his short time at Chelsea. He reduced them to Brightons level 🤷♂️
Sky PL is untouchable. Very good conversations and you can see that they love football.
Never should be given to him....potter laughing with his pension
@@RS-vy9qv what ever
Imagine Conte coming back in 😅
Or Jose for the 3rd time now that Chelsea have different owner.
I think Conte only went to Spurs to beat Chelsea and then he wanted out when Chelsea beat Chelsea.
I don't think Potter had any say in many of those transfers coming in.
This is my first witness Carragher has been mutual and not one sided... A fair comment 100% in agreement - the new owners are running a business and will be selling and buying they'll get burnt soon rather than later, they will learn the hard way. I'm a Blues Fan this really disappoints to witness we are 11th and falling. Potter's (+ his support staff) work ethics and ideology was stuck at picking up a point there and scrapping a win here and was overwhelmed by a three day break routine of consistent winning expectation - for him it was a hard lesson that will stick and would appreciate to coach at Champions League level
Excelent words Carragher 👏🏻
It is allegedly reported that Potter was given an opportunity to speak to the owners before his sacking. Whatever he told them obviously did not inspire any confidence on their side. He simply wasn't cut out for it.
Underperforming as Chelsea may be, make no mistake they have an embarrassment of talent in every department (maybe except the goalkeeping department). A great coach would look at this team and rub his hands at the idea of coaching such a group of players.
CFC fan here. Agree with everything said except last 5 seconds. Poch with that adjusting mentality to compromise winning fits Spurs. Its between three good managers for us: Enrique, Nagelsmann, Amorin. Nagelsmann has the players in place for his style, but is young and skateboard type. Enrique has the maturity and will get good youth academy to back, but will ask for creative players to generate creativity in short spaces upfront. Amorin has a little bit of all out of Nagelsmann, Enrique and Poch. fans would accept anyone of these three. Just dont let Poch anywhere closer than 50 metres of Stamford Bridge. Spurs is waiting for him.
PS: Can we agree with Lampard as interim role before the UCL fixture. It would be a win-win for both parties and Lampard can rebuild his credibility as a manager.
NONE of these pundits said this at the time.
Gary, do you actually think Potter had any say in the signings? Thats on the board buying a truck load of players and just goin “go have fun”
Man's just made 60 million jeez
That's why he same Todd Boehly ended the error, now we look forward to new manager he reads the game well
This video had to start with "at this moment in time" Neville lol 😂😂😂
At this point it genuinely feels like Todd Boehly has been possessed by an angry ex wife who happens to support Tottenham and seems determined to blow all his money and ruin Chelsea all at once. What manager in their right mind would want to go there now? How many of Football's top managers have they been through? What's their average expectancy in the job?
“It would be very Chelsea to win the Champions League from a position like this” - Gary 2023
Tbf he has a point that would be the most Chelsea thing to ever happen
When managers are sacked the people who appointed them should also pay some penalty for appointing them in the first place. It should be in the contract, to have to pay some financial penalty themselves. They would be thinking twice then before first of all appointing the manager and then just scapegoating them when it doesn't work out.
Bobby Ewing bit was ace 😂😂
So blessed to listen to the two "best" pundits in football
dont watch it then?
They are the best so don’t cry
Ahhh yes let’s listen to Jermaine Jenas and Jamie Redknapp instead
At this “Gary Neville” moment in time
Potter reminds me of Moyes at Utd...while Moyes was doing fine at Everton before utd and did decent after Utd...potter is good manager stuck in high expectations club
24k views for this nonsense? A lot of people have a lot of time….. the thumbnail was enough to prevent me from viewing…
Don't worry Jamie! Klopp is next for the chop!!!!
Klopp won't get sacked. Liverpool will keep him and let him rebuild next season
@@CB-xr1eg That will be nice of them. Be good to see how he rebuilds in a lower league.
@WOLF & BEAR Your 11th and spent 600m. Your next manager will be just as useless lmao😂
@@VORZERO lower league? Do you always spout senseless crap?
@@WebleyCrusher With a Chelsea win tomorrow we go 1 point behind Liverpool.
Gary “Arsenal will never win thy league” Neville.
G nev funny at the end with that statement
This man has probably had the most chances of any other manager in history of football lol
Neville talking about management always give me a grin, absolutely no shame at all 😂
Chelsea is in trouble under this American Owner, I predicted they are going to get things wrong so badly. Its going to be the same as the situation Man Utd went through under exactly the same conditions with their American owners. Brace yourselves for more heart break my dear Chelsea FC fans.
An argument based entirely on nationality. Makes sense.
@@kb5509 truth hurts. American owners are the worst owners in football. Completely clueless and lack any idea what they are doing.
Straight in with an ‘at this moment in time’
Yes Gary with the Dallas analogy
They didn’t sack Tuchel and go to Potter, they sacked Tuchel….
And went potty! 😂😂😂
nice joke 👌
I love when English coaches fail and how English sports pundits come up with thousands of excuses.
Go and watch your own league then.
Potter had all 3 deathly hollows and still managed to lose his battle.
Potter had no chance the transfer policy is shocking
Editor could have started this video a few seconds earlier but knew the audience