kinda weird choreo, but I appreciate there is some "personality" to the routine rather than totally random movements with no intention. I got psycho or dualing personality vibes from it - part dark-part lighthearted.
Brillant?? The code of point has some problem... this floor deserve 11 big max.. it's a joke.... look the gym in 90' so much difficulty and now whit a double tuck max to termin in 6 place olympic final....😂🙃 sorry sonething it's wrong.. 2 gym per country it's a joke too...🤮😡
@@joym1463 this would score a 14.2 in last code probably. It's because she gets a DDE with those turns, C+C, D with leaps, and doesn't get deductions with those bc her form is good. and only does 2 tumbles which minimizes deductions
@@zb6070agreed, the problem with the COP is that execution deductions have gotten so harsh that gymnasts really can score just as high with low difficulty tumbling, especially if you can milk the high value spins. In the 2024 COP you can only do one wolf turn but if somebody like Derwael can probably do a double L spin pretty well also, maybe even connect it for 0.1 CV.
@@poshbo If Nina can do a consistent double L, her dance difficulty can compensate for her lack of E+ tumblings. Considering that most gymnasts count at least one B dance element due to devaluation, the EDDCC dance difficulty is very competitive in the 2022-2024 COP.
@@cocoroni1031 agreed. The Chinese are now also milking the spins; Ou Yushan for example does the Mitchell, Double L and Double Y and when she hits her DV is solid.
Yes! i’d rather watch this than Jade Carey’s FX. Impressive tumbling passes but absolutely no expression or personality in the rest of her routine. Completely robotic.
The floor choreography is awesome and you know that if it had been performed by the Soviet gymnast in 1989 gymnternet would have been falling over themselves to praise it
Why is here so much hate? She is a tall gymnast and it is much harder for her to tumble. I enjoy this routine much more than routines like from MyKayla Skinner where she just puts hard skills in it, but executes very poorly
It isn’t even all about the tumbling like yeh I would like to see more difficult tumbling from her but watch athletes like lieke wevers floor (watch her 2019 routine from worlds podium training it’s my all time fav floor routine) and she is praised for it because of not just how artistic and elegant her dance is but also how she has difficulty in the dance elements even though she lacks in the power department. In my opinion she is actually quite under scored a lot of the time. Then compare that to Nina who is out here dancing like… well… that. It’s about the ugly dancing and lack of difficulty in the dance elements and to add to that she is way over scored.
Not surprised or upset by her score. She had two 0.3 deduction (landing on her second pass and switch split ring). Other than that, there were only 0.1 deductions. Fewer skills means lower D-score, but higher E-score as long as the elements are clean. Double Y-turn - 0.1 for imprecision (over-rotated) Double back salto - 0.1 for step Split 1/1 - 0.1 for imprecision (over-rotated) Back 3/2 + front 1/1 (0.3 for bent legs and large step on landing) Wolf 3/1 - 0.1 for over-rotation and 0.1 for excessive arm movements Wolf 2/1 - 0.1 for over-rotation, 0.1 for excessive arm movements, and 0.1 for lack of balance at the end Switch split ring - 0.3 for insufficient ring position and 0.1 for insufficient head release That's 1.5 in deductions which gives you an 8.5 E-score.
Yes, but there are no artistry deductions in your breakdown, and pretty much everyone gets those. What about the fact that her movements don't match the music (that's up to a possible 0.3)? Is she portraying a character or reflecting the musical theme? That's 0.1. Performance of the entire exercise as a series of disconnected elements & movements? That's another 0.1 eugymnastics.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/cop_wag_2017-2020_ici-e1.pdf, see section 13, page 4. I'm not saying that she should get all of these but if some aren't relevant, then whose floor exercise should get deducted for these? I have no objection to her working the code in her favour. It's a perfectly fair competitive strategy - do low difficulty, but with cleaner execution on three events, and higher difficulty with less focus on keeping it as clean on uneven bars. But this routine should have been deducted for artistry, and frankly, the Belgian team needs to hire a better choreographer who understands the brief. I haven't checked your breakdown, but if you're right about how they levied the 1.5 in deductions and there were no artistry deductions, then that 13.5 was a gift.
Fun fact: at the 2016 Olympics Nina was the one who got the least artistic deductions in floor exercise, with only one of the judges in the panel taking 0.1 off in artistry deductions.
@@RobeDuarte Well, as all the financial adverts tell you to make sure you understand that there isn't a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, "past performance is not indicative of future results". So here's my fun prediction, with this routine, she should get artistry deductions because if she does not, no one is getting artistry deductions in Tokyo.
@@RobeDuarte All judging is subjective, so duh. But there are rules. Ask yourself: if this routine doesn't get artistry deductions according to the rules, then should anyone's? What about, for example, Jade Carey's? Or indeed anyone who really struggles with this aspect of execution? Execution deductions are not some sort of valuation for the inherent worth of anyone's character. They're an aspect of the rules that exist to put the best to the worst routines in the correct order, according to the rules. And you can't have a rule that you interpret one way for one person, and another way for another person just because the latter has long lines, or is your favourite. Judging is necessarily subjective, but it should still be fair.
Who cares about the tumbling difficulty? Shouldn't the code allow for choices/styles? If a gymnast can compensate for less difficult tumbling with dance elements and turns, who really cares? It's not like she's cheating....the code is the code.
And she termin 6th place at Olympic with this floor!!😧 the code of point at a (big) problème... i hate this floor routine. For this level, it's a joke. Just before i look some of olympic 96. What a big level... and now that...🤨
@@clemencecadorel6478 Honestly! What on earth do these judges see in Nina? I mean just deduct her fairly and accurately like they do with everyone else..
Everyone mad at her just because she tries to use the code in her favor. Chill people, everyone tries to to do the best with what they can! Leave her be! A 13.5 is accurate because she has a 5.0 difficulty and she’s clean! Deal with it.
@@leizhang8423 Absolutely ridiculous that this is considered elite in 2021, this level of tumbling is actually weaker than many gymnast did in the 70's.
Well, this was interesting to watch...I'm not sure if you would call this dancing as I thought it was just a string of awkward movements linked together. Not even sure what the story is lol.
I REALLY CANT WITH THE HATE IN THESE COMMENTS! Can y’all just cut her some slack?!?! Yes, she’s not a powerful tumbler but she tries her best with what she can do! She got a 13.5 fair and square! As for the choreography… lol it’s quirky but it’s very Nina and if she likes it that’s what matters. IMO I loved her 2019 routine and wouldve liked to see it at the Olympics
Choreography is original, I enjoyed it!! Regarding the hate, I couldn't agree more! What's the need??? She's not as good on floor as on bars, so what?? That gives you right to laugh at her? Come on...
@@notafrog4967 would you deduct more than 1.5 in execution??? Cuz this was a very clean routine with good landings and great leaps, 8.5 is a very accurate execution score. You can’t deduct for lack of difficulty. 5.0 D score + 8.5 E score = 13.5
@@RobeDuarte My breakdown Double y turn; - 0.1 for lack of precision Double back (tucked); - 0.1 small step Switch full; - 0.1 for over rotation + - 0.1 for flexed foot Backward 3/2 twist in layout position; - 0.1 for crossed legs + - 0.1 *x2* for flexed feet + - 0.1 bent leg Front full layout position; - 0.1 legs crossed. (Debatable) + - 0.3 for medium step on the landing (could give another 0.3 deduction for a second step but she kinda covered it up) Triple wolf turn; - 0.1 excessive arm movement + - 0.1 over rotation Double wolf; - 0.1 for excessive arm movement + - 0.1 over rotation + - 0.1 lack of balance at the end Switch ring; - 0.1 insufficient arch of upper back + - 0.1 insufficient head release + - 0.1 flexed front foot (the angle that was filmed of the ring leap was very poor and these are the deductions that I thought I could see) Artistry deductions - 0.1 for a series of disconnected elements or movements. -0.1 movements that did not match the music. Artistry deductions are very subjective. Total deductions: 2.2 E score: 7.8 You could easily get a 7.8 like I did here or even lower in her e score. If I had taken that extra 0.3 for the step which she kinda somewhat covered up her e score would be 7.5!!!
Why all the hate? Yes, the tumbling is "easy", but she is artistic and her choreo special. I prefer this so much more than difficult tumbling with a boring choreo without dance moves
Looks like a failed attempt at boginskaya's combined floor routines from '88 and '89 but minus the tumbling cause Svetlana had comparably harder tumbles than Nina.
As a dancer I find it grotesque and classeles. This routine borders on the ridiculous... She should be penalized. Her hilarious movements doesn't match with this classical music.
That's why she participated at Dancing with the Stars in Belgium and won it. Her previous choreographer retired and her dance choreographers will create a new routine for her.
kinda weird choreo, but I appreciate there is some "personality" to the routine rather than totally random movements with no intention. I got psycho or dualing personality vibes from it - part dark-part lighthearted.
yes, the choreo is tremendous, the light-dark (chiaroscuro) certanly accentuates the overall performance
Slender man vibes
Truth is, I was too entertained to realize there were only 2 passes…
Choreography is good, but I'm underwhelmed by only two passes. I can watch more beautiful and difficult turns in Rhythmic Gymnastics.
that’s probably what she wants tbh
@@maxglendale7614 really hope that bit about the choreo being good was a joke
The fact that’s she is totally committed to this weird ass choreography is hilarious.
You know what it's entertaining I'll give her that lmfao..
I honestly love that she was able to coax a 13.500 with 2 tumbling passes. Brilliant.
Brillant?? The code of point has some problem... this floor deserve 11 big max.. it's a joke.... look the gym in 90' so much difficulty and now whit a double tuck max to termin in 6 place olympic final....😂🙃 sorry sonething it's wrong.. 2 gym per country it's a joke too...🤮😡
@@joym1463 this would score a 14.2 in last code probably. It's because she gets a DDE with those turns, C+C, D with leaps, and doesn't get deductions with those bc her form is good. and only does 2 tumbles which minimizes deductions
@@zb6070agreed, the problem with the COP is that execution deductions have gotten so harsh that gymnasts really can score just as high with low difficulty tumbling, especially if you can milk the high value spins. In the 2024 COP you can only do one wolf turn but if somebody like Derwael can probably do a double L spin pretty well also, maybe even connect it for 0.1 CV.
@@poshbo If Nina can do a consistent double L, her dance difficulty can compensate for her lack of E+ tumblings. Considering that most gymnasts count at least one B dance element due to devaluation, the EDDCC dance difficulty is very competitive in the 2022-2024 COP.
@@cocoroni1031 agreed. The Chinese are now also milking the spins; Ou Yushan for example does the Mitchell, Double L and Double Y and when she hits her DV is solid.
honestly the choreo is a bit weird but at least she’s into it and actually is trying to sell the routine rather than robotic movements
Yes! i’d rather watch this than Jade Carey’s FX. Impressive tumbling passes but absolutely no expression or personality in the rest of her routine. Completely robotic.
Well it’s smart for her to have a low difficulty and avoid injuries
0:49 wtf is this I can't stop laughing... someone make a gif please
Lmao
Intense game of charades?!?😂
😅😆😂
When the hardest skill in your routine is...a wolf turn... 🙊
And with this routine she termin (i think 6 or 7) in Tokio.... 😳
@@joym1463 6th! proud belgian ;)
Two tumbling passes and still she qualifies for Event Finals
That's what happens when you utilize the CoP to full effect. lol.
just a reminder what WAG (Women's Artistic Gymnastics) could be if artistry weren't valued at zero
The floor choreography is awesome and you know that if it had been performed by the Soviet gymnast in 1989 gymnternet would have been falling over themselves to praise it
people hate geza poszar routines from that time though so...
I don't really see what was wrong with the choreo myself. I actually thought it was nice since you rarely even see any choreo now
Congrats Nina Derwael Love and Support from the Philippines
Where can I find scores at
Why is here so much hate? She is a tall gymnast and it is much harder for her to tumble. I enjoy this routine much more than routines like from MyKayla Skinner where she just puts hard skills in it, but executes very poorly
I agree with you! I love the artistry!
@Jared Carl Kyla ross too. She was shorter at the London Olympics but even when she got taller, her tumbling was still beautiful
It isn’t even all about the tumbling like yeh I would like to see more difficult tumbling from her but watch athletes like lieke wevers floor (watch her 2019 routine from worlds podium training it’s my all time fav floor routine) and she is praised for it because of not just how artistic and elegant her dance is but also how she has difficulty in the dance elements even though she lacks in the power department. In my opinion she is actually quite under scored a lot of the time. Then compare that to Nina who is out here dancing like… well… that. It’s about the ugly dancing and lack of difficulty in the dance elements and to add to that she is way over scored.
Not surprised or upset by her score. She had two 0.3 deduction (landing on her second pass and switch split ring). Other than that, there were only 0.1 deductions. Fewer skills means lower D-score, but higher E-score as long as the elements are clean.
Double Y-turn - 0.1 for imprecision (over-rotated)
Double back salto - 0.1 for step
Split 1/1 - 0.1 for imprecision (over-rotated)
Back 3/2 + front 1/1 (0.3 for bent legs and large step on landing)
Wolf 3/1 - 0.1 for over-rotation and 0.1 for excessive arm movements
Wolf 2/1 - 0.1 for over-rotation, 0.1 for excessive arm movements, and 0.1 for lack of balance at the end
Switch split ring - 0.3 for insufficient ring position and 0.1 for insufficient head release
That's 1.5 in deductions which gives you an 8.5 E-score.
Yes, but there are no artistry deductions in your breakdown, and pretty much everyone gets those. What about the fact that her movements don't match the music (that's up to a possible 0.3)? Is she portraying a character or reflecting the musical theme? That's 0.1. Performance of the entire exercise as a series of disconnected elements & movements? That's another 0.1 eugymnastics.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/cop_wag_2017-2020_ici-e1.pdf, see section 13, page 4.
I'm not saying that she should get all of these but if some aren't relevant, then whose floor exercise should get deducted for these?
I have no objection to her working the code in her favour. It's a perfectly fair competitive strategy - do low difficulty, but with cleaner execution on three events, and higher difficulty with less focus on keeping it as clean on uneven bars. But this routine should have been deducted for artistry, and frankly, the Belgian team needs to hire a better choreographer who understands the brief.
I haven't checked your breakdown, but if you're right about how they levied the 1.5 in deductions and there were no artistry deductions, then that 13.5 was a gift.
Fun fact: at the 2016 Olympics Nina was the one who got the least artistic deductions in floor exercise, with only one of the judges in the panel taking 0.1 off in artistry deductions.
@@RobeDuarte Well, as all the financial adverts tell you to make sure you understand that there isn't a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, "past performance is not indicative of future results". So here's my fun prediction, with this routine, she should get artistry deductions because if she does not, no one is getting artistry deductions in Tokyo.
@@mexqable Artistry Deductions are subjective tho so that’s totally your opinion
@@RobeDuarte All judging is subjective, so duh. But there are rules. Ask yourself: if this routine doesn't get artistry deductions according to the rules, then should anyone's? What about, for example, Jade Carey's? Or indeed anyone who really struggles with this aspect of execution? Execution deductions are not some sort of valuation for the inherent worth of anyone's character. They're an aspect of the rules that exist to put the best to the worst routines in the correct order, according to the rules. And you can't have a rule that you interpret one way for one person, and another way for another person just because the latter has long lines, or is your favourite. Judging is necessarily subjective, but it should still be fair.
love this!
Esto si es gimnasia clásica como debe ser
Who cares about the tumbling difficulty? Shouldn't the code allow for choices/styles? If a gymnast can compensate for less difficult tumbling with dance elements and turns, who really cares? It's not like she's cheating....the code is the code.
@@agh6250 Was Khorkina really artistic on floor? Or often just slinky and arm wavey with sass?
The Dutch did a good thing when they brought edgy choreography back. Can we get more teams onboard please.
I loved her floor routine. The personailty stuck out to me.
Imagine this routine in Tokyo FX EF performed after Biles. 🤣🤣🤣
Well the judges will likely give her the same execution as Simone. I love Nina on bars, but only on bars.
Did you ever saw her on bars?😅
@@maxglendale7614 her e score on floor shouldn’t be too bad tbh there’s not a lot to deduct but here d score is literally 5
Her leaps and memmel are great! The rest idk
And she termin 6th place at Olympic with this floor!!😧 the code of point at a (big) problème... i hate this floor routine. For this level, it's a joke. Just before i look some of olympic 96. What a big level... and now that...🤨
Not her first jumping pass being a double tuck... I-
And the judges clapping...is she trying to be ironic?
what is the name of the classic song you played?
Winter (four seasons) by Vivaldi
I still dont understand how a 2 pass floor routine can get 13.5 how tf
13.5??!??! Wish we knew the D and E score breakdowns.
Only one tenth between Melanie DJDS... Thats a joke! I really like Nina, but she's always overscored!
@@clemencecadorel6478 Honestly! What on earth do these judges see in Nina? I mean just deduct her fairly and accurately like they do with everyone else..
D-score : 5.0
E-score: 8.5
Everyone mad at her just because she tries to use the code in her favor. Chill people, everyone tries to to do the best with what they can! Leave her be! A 13.5 is accurate because she has a 5.0 difficulty and she’s clean! Deal with it.
❤️
Lmao these comments 🤣
What did this score?
13.500 i think
@@BaraXXXanova666 12,5
Does someone know the name of this song?
, a violin concerto wrote by Vivaldi, and this is the first movement of ‘winter’
What in the world did I just watch
Ikr, I thought the floor routines from the Chinese girls are easy. Not any more.
@@leizhang8423 Absolutely ridiculous that this is considered elite in 2021, this level of tumbling is actually weaker than many gymnast did in the 70's.
🤣🤣🤣 I was just thinking the same thing lol. The dance moves were so cringe 🤣🤣
How’s possible this routine is getting one of the top scores ?? So akward by the way
She's clean
This competition was in Belgium
Julian She has scored fairly well at worlds, too.
Well, this was interesting to watch...I'm not sure if you would call this dancing as I thought it was just a string of awkward movements linked together. Not even sure what the story is lol.
I liked it ^_^
Honestly, I didn’t hate it at least it’s unique.
it's like she's serving a patty at the end
I thought it was a pretty normal pose but this made me never see it the same way again 🤣🤣🤣
I absolutly love this routine she was so into it this is brillant btw i would love to know what her D score was
5.0
I actually enjoyed this better than her bars.
Svetlana bogyskaia feeling
Yes, she definitely reminds me of Bogie’s Rites of Spring choreo
Hhhhhh
Reminds me of the choreo of Svetlana Boginskaya in the 80s
Same here!
LMFOAOAEIDKSJWNEKDJS PLSSSS
I REALLY CANT WITH THE HATE IN THESE COMMENTS!
Can y’all just cut her some slack?!?! Yes, she’s not a powerful tumbler but she tries her best with what she can do! She got a 13.5 fair and square!
As for the choreography… lol it’s quirky but it’s very Nina and if she likes it that’s what matters. IMO I loved her 2019 routine and wouldve liked to see it at the Olympics
Choreography is original, I enjoyed it!! Regarding the hate, I couldn't agree more! What's the need??? She's not as good on floor as on bars, so what?? That gives you right to laugh at her? Come on...
I actually like the quirky dance moves, makes it a bit more entertaining for me.
No that didn’t deserve anything near a 13.5 at all!
@@notafrog4967 would you deduct more than 1.5 in execution??? Cuz this was a very clean routine with good landings and great leaps, 8.5 is a very accurate execution score. You can’t deduct for lack of difficulty. 5.0 D score + 8.5 E score = 13.5
@@RobeDuarte
My breakdown
Double y turn; - 0.1 for lack of precision
Double back (tucked); - 0.1 small step
Switch full; - 0.1 for over rotation + - 0.1 for flexed foot
Backward 3/2 twist in layout position; - 0.1 for crossed legs + - 0.1 *x2* for flexed feet + - 0.1 bent leg
Front full layout position; - 0.1 legs crossed. (Debatable) + - 0.3 for medium step on the landing (could give another 0.3 deduction for a second step but she kinda covered it up)
Triple wolf turn; - 0.1 excessive arm movement + - 0.1 over rotation
Double wolf; - 0.1 for excessive arm movement + - 0.1 over rotation + - 0.1 lack of balance at the end
Switch ring; - 0.1 insufficient arch of upper back + - 0.1 insufficient head release + - 0.1 flexed front foot (the angle that was filmed of the ring leap was very poor and these are the deductions that I thought I could see)
Artistry deductions
- 0.1 for a series of disconnected elements or movements.
-0.1 movements that did not match the music.
Artistry deductions are very subjective.
Total deductions: 2.2
E score: 7.8
You could easily get a 7.8 like I did here or even lower in her e score.
If I had taken that extra 0.3 for the step which she kinda somewhat covered up her e score would be 7.5!!!
Nina is a good gymnasts, especially bars, but this floor routine is not it. There's avant garde a la Boginskaya which works and then there's this...
Why all the hate? Yes, the tumbling is "easy", but she is artistic and her choreo special. I prefer this so much more than difficult tumbling with a boring choreo without dance moves
There has been generations of beautiful choreography in gymnastics without sacrificing difficulty, mediocrity should never be applauded.
She is not artistic she cant even dance lmao
You’re calling this artistic? She literally danced like a stoned spider.
@@no_controld8883 she's different. I like it. Especially that part at 0:56
Looks like a failed attempt at boginskaya's combined floor routines from '88 and '89 but minus the tumbling cause Svetlana had comparably harder tumbles than Nina.
Is that a gymnast or a puppet on strings?
She is a world champion on bars ;)
@@joleentjevr and bars only
Two passes? Please..... WTF
You can mock her as much as you want, but she's a world champion. Twice.
Not on this apparatus.
She has to change the coreogrepher...
I don’t think this should qualify as Elite gymnastics.
You're a white male your opinion is irrelevant
@@lonelyhorse5313 fu
LIFE GIVING. A proper clown show.
It's laughable how this FARSE of a floor routine received this score.
As a dancer I find it grotesque and classeles. This routine borders on the ridiculous... She should be penalized. Her hilarious movements doesn't match with this classical music.
you re totally right David. With Vivaldi it's really easy to make a great choreography.
That's why she participated at Dancing with the Stars in Belgium and won it.
Her previous choreographer retired and her dance choreographers will create a new routine for her.
Cringe
Does someone know the name of this song?
Vivaldi - winter