*[Gifted] Hongdui HD-KS22 Mitre Gauge Fence Review and Comparison To Incra Flip Fence
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- In this video I try to give an in depth look at the Hongdui HD-KS22 mitre gauge fence. It's a premium accessory with a price to match so I feel it deserves it. My daily user mitre gauge fence up til now has been the Incra Extentable Flip Fence and Flip Shop Stop combo, so, as I review the Hongdui, I thought it'd be interesting to compare the 2. as they're a very similar price.
Given my tiny workshop, I can only really keep one of these fences so it really is a shootout to see which one ends up staying on the mitre gauge. Will it still be the Incra or, will the Hongdui unseat it on the table saw?
Both I use with the excellent Hondui HD-TB01 Premium Mitre Gauge.
Links to the fences and mitre gauge below.
Hongdui HD-KS22 Mitre Gauge Fence (inc flip stop): uk.banggood.com/custlink/DGKt...
Hongdui HD-TB01 Premium Mitre Gauge: uk.banggood.com/custlink/mmDH...
Incra Telescoping Flip Fence: woodworkersworkshop.co.uk/inc...
Incra Flip Shop Stop: woodworkersworkshop.co.uk/inc... - Jak na to + styl
Hi Bisch Basch Bosch
Thank you for the clear and good comparison between the Incra Flip Fence and the Hongdui Miter Gauge Femce. I also have the Hongdui combination and am very satisfied with it.
Tip: For viewers who have a Bosch GTS10XC saw table and therefore have a different type of Sliding Bar than that supplied with the Hongdui TB01.
I have bought a new miter slider bar from Andreas from the company 4Techs R&D that is specially made for the Hongdui TB01 and works on the Bosch GTS10XC saw table. It's a really Bosch good slider bar and fortunately I can also use the Hongdui on my Bosch GTS10XC saw table.
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Nice one. I'll pin the comment👍
Got the mitre gauge and the fence. Top quality items. My work is still shit,i can't blame the tools. Good video
😂😂 Oh mate...I'm sure it's not. We're all our own worst critic. It is good gear though👍
You can currently buy both for just under £195 and they are stocked in the UK so delivery was only a few days. Great review, I decided to buy after seeing it on Hooked on wood review. New subscriber here.
Ah, that's interesting. When I did this review, the mitre gauge shipped from China, fence from UK. Plus, the pair together was more expensive than individually at the time due to the sale! Its a great combination. One of the best out there. Thanks for the sub btw👍
Thanks for this video. Hongdui seems to really be showing up other manufacturers. Your set up demo showed how intuitive this fence is to tune in.
Cheers. They're certainly setting a high standard for the price they charge. 👍
Yeah. Same experience.
Got the Hongdui gear a few weeks ago and really impressed. Couldn't be happier.
It knocks the sock off the Incra gear for all the reasons you point out. And, I have to confess, I felt a bit of a fraud having such a 'pro' piece of kit but I came to terms with that quite quickly... Buy cheap, buy twice, etc, etc.
I'll be trying to sell the Incra stuff but, after this vid, there may be a bit of a glut on the market...
Best aye!
Ah, hadn't thought about that. 🤦♂️😁Might hold off trying to sell mine though. Thinking I could use it for a project. But yeah, the Hongdui set up is legit. 👍
The Hongdui fence makes the Incra look like a toy. Great review Dude.
Cheers mate. The indexing is great on the Incra to be fair but the Hongdui attention to detail and engineering is a league above.👍
@@BischBaschBosch I have the Incra ‘guaranteed square’ square. It is a quality investment, but I really only ever need combination square enough. I’m not bashing Incra, but the Hongdui offering is first rate. It casts a long shadow, and Incra are in the shade.
Cor blimey Stu! You look like a proper gangster wif that anodised industrial girth barrel in your hand, innit? 😁👍 great review 🙏 i used to drool over Incra as it shouted premium quality and their design brought repeatability to the masses! It’s really interesting to see better quality products coming out of China.
😁 Cheers. I mean, Incra are still a good, premium manufacturer. It's just they released their gear like 20 years ago and stood still with it. No Incra-mental improvements over the years when, imo, there's a need for. They're getting left behind by Hongdui, Harvey and Jessem.🤷♂️
@@BischBaschBosch too true! It’s time they put the me tal back into incramental 😁 but let’s not be too judgmental!
Well done as usual, love the comedic relief! I have the Incra as well and while you were commenting on it I though it was as if you were reading my mind. Guess were going to see a lot of them on eBay soon? Your video reminded me of your rip fence addition, how's it treating you after 12 or so months? Wanting to to do similar upgrade to my antique table saw. Keep up the good work!
Thanks man. I mean, i did really like the dual flip stops and indexing on the incra but, i just think in hindsight, a clear scale and micro adjust stop is easier to live with, real world. Incras had 20 years to improve and perfect the design and they haven't. Shame really. On the "rip fence" thing - do you mean my anti-tip attachment for plunge/circular saw fences? If so, i still use mine. I don't produce them anymore though. Too expensive to manufacture unfortunately.👍
On the rip fence I meant the one you have mounted on your table saw from Banggood I suppose ? I remember you did a video on the install about a year ago?
@@marcr3376 Oh, yeah still does the job perfectly well. I would like a more traditional table saw fence though. The banggood one I have can be a bit of a faff to dial in to a width. I find the scale hard to read too so set with a tape. Once set, thanks to its dual fixing knobs, it's rock solid front and back. I like that about it.👍
Comprehensive review M8. Thanks. To my sadness neither my table saw, nor the budget will accept these tools. Take care & stay safe.
They are a chunk of change for sure. Not to everyone's budget but, nice to see what premium dollar gets you I hope.👍
Bought the mitre gauge a while back and paired it with the enjoywood M1 pro. It makes for a nice combination especially as I added a drillpro micro adjustable flip stop. This new hongdui fence is very nice and it's been on my radar for a couple of months. I keep telling myself I don't need it, but I DO want it!! Lovely review of the fence which only makes my "want" worse🤔
Sounds like a great set up, especially with the drill pro micro adjust stop! But year, the Hongdui's a hell of a thing.👍
Hongdui are really starting to gain traction in recent months. Dennis at Hooked on Wood has long been singing their praises here in Europe, Katz-Moses has gone into partnership with them with the magnificent router plane in the land of barleycorns and cubits.
A little rich, and over engineered for my requirements, but I can see the need for the precision in your chair making (which I am in awe of by the way!). I went for the Enjoywood mitre gauge and fence, which is good enough for my needs. Anyway, the wife won't let me buy the Hongdui!
Thank you mate! Yeah, I've reviewed a few of their bits over the years but they seem to be coming into their own now. I hope we see more from them. The enjoywood gauge and fence looks excellent for the money.👍
Hi @BischBaschBosch
Do the Incra and Hongdui fences have the mounting t-track that connects them to the miter gauge at the same height? I.e., could I mount a Hongdui fence to an Incra gauge and vice versa? I know Incra fits directly into a Festool CSC SYS miter gauge, and I'm trying to figure out if Hongdui would fit too. TIA!
Hi. The Hongdui fence slot at the back sits around 30mm from the table top to it's centre. Like the Hongdui gauge, the Incra has oval mounting slots on the gauge for different height fence mounts. Whether Incras gauge would accommodate the 30mm centre of the Hongdui fence I couldn't say but if you have one, you can check. The Incea fence fits the Hongdui gauge (that was my set up) but, the flip stop does run into the gauge top so you have to lift it slightly when positioning over. As for the bars in the mitre slots, both the Incra and Hongdui use the 19mm bars so, if the Incra runs in your saw, the Hongdui should too.👍
big advantage of the incra is the repeatability thanks to the indexing, although it indeed makes the sliding less smooth
That's true. In fact, the indexing being so good for repeatability/consistency is why I said it kind of makes the second flip stop/rod void for me in use - doing say a lap joint. On the Hongdui, the scale is so clear , as are the cursors that I have a lot of confidence in it too.
My Dewalt Portable saw miter gauge slot is little wider. would I be able to snugly fit it with the adjustable nylon screws?
If I remember right, one of the dewalts has a 19mm slot, the other a 24mm slot. If you have a 19mm, the Hongdui gauge would fit fine. If you have the 24mm slot, i don't know. 5mm is a lot of gap to fill with nylon screws. You might be better off fitting the Hongdui gauge to the dewalt mitre bar🤷♂️
I’m not a fan of Incra it’s collecting dust under the bench Ive got the enjoywood which I like but after watching your review it’s got me thinking. Cheers for the great review
Yeah, a couple people mentioned the enjoywood setup. It looks every but a premium competitor yet under £100. Can't argue with that. I do like the indexing on the Incra and the profile itself, it's just as a whole, it's not great in use🤷♂️
Dude I have the same fence now, what I had before was absolute shite! Whats your take on the fence now having used it for some 3 weeks?
Nice one bud. Can only say I love it really. Using that micro adjust to dial in on a mark is my new favourite thing. I've had to epoxy the little magnet back in place for the secondary stop. Can't fault it other than that. You like it so far?
@@BischBaschBosch yeah love it!!! My first worry was it can only go on one side BUT it’s the side I prefer and my saw is a Wadkin so the blade tilts away from the mitre gauge, the micro adjust like you I’m well chuffed with it makes a much better idea than tapping the piece to nip a touch off!
@@HewAndAwe That's a good point. Annoyingly, the only thing stopping you being able to flip everything round is the extension mitres into the fence proper. If it was straight cut, you could flip it. Oh well.👍
Well honestly hondoui is fantastic quality made fence in market right know no incra no woodpeakers is good made precision including in it the person who designed this it deserves 10 out of 10 you you going to see the rest how joke is compare to this marvellous fence I just got it yesterday the was reasonable price for what you get im very happy I won’t change it for nothing on the hold market thanks very mucho I will for help of god Jesús I take to Colombia 🇨🇴 again
It is very good. I think only the Harvey mitre gauge/fence come close.👍
Thanks for the hands-on review. However, you failed to mention that the Incra double stop with included bar is rock solid without needing that Hondui secondary stop that isn't flip and needs to be reset every time you set the stop. Also for accuracy, do not set the miter gauge fence to be square to the blade, what matters is that the fence is square to the miter bar. That's even easier to calibrate as well as more accurate.
Each stop on the Incra, singularly, will move as much as the Hongdui stop unassisted. Very little but detectable all the same. The Incra stops only become solid if you join them with the bar. As does the Hongdui with its secondary stop.
My table saw is home made, based around a Mafell KSP 85. The mitre track - which came after (used to have sliding table) - was squared to the blade. The blade is the datum on my saw. The results speak for themselves. Thanks.
@@BischBaschBosch For miter gauge work, the slot is the datum. Think about using the miter gauge on a router table - you can't square a fence to a round rotating bit. Squaring the fence to the blade simply introduces other possibilities for error, not just from any blade/slot misalignment, but from the blade itself perhaps not being perfectly flat (you'd have to reference against the teeth, but that's not good for the square).
You are correct that the Inca stop only become super solid when joined with the bar, but when done so (as it comes from Incra standard), it's solid everywhere automatically without the hassle of setting a second stop. There's also that the Incra stop and fence profiles are such that thin stock won't slip under, although you do point out the potential for damaging a mitered tip. Your points about the lack of practical micro-adjustability on the Incra are spot-on.
@@smorgasbord42 Yes mate, on a normal table saw where a cast iron top (or aly) has a slot and the saw carriage has adjustment to align to the slot in the table. I built my table saw. The saw is fixed. No position adjustment. The fence and the track have adjustment and are set to it. Hence I'm perfectly happy setting my gauge to it. If my cut was still out of square, I would have known it was the mitre slot and adjusted accordingly. I appreciate the advice is coming from a good place but I'm not new to this my friend. Quite the opposite I could have maybe said something about why I set like I do. I'll note it for the future.
Do I understand this won't fit any saw with a standard 3/4 bar slot ???
The Hongdui mitre gauge has a standard 19mm (3/4") bar.
👍👍👍.Thank you
😁Cheers buddy
cubits and barleycorns lol :D
😁 To my surprise, when I used a cubit to describe the length of the fence, it was accurate - about 18" . Accidentally on the money 😂
I would say that your review is fair BUT what you FAILED TO POINT OUT is that both of the INCRA units have been on the market, I think, for over 20 years. Whereas the Hongdui Fence is a very recent introduction and therefore should incorporate technical advances.
Having visited INCRA in Dallas many years ago when I owned Wood Workers Workshop and had the INCRA franchise, I sold the business and retired in 2013, I would expect Hongdui's production equipment to be more advanced than what INCRA had back then, and that should show in the product offering.
Wood Workers Workshop has grown significantly under its new owners and still holds the INCRA franchise.
Yes, WWW is where I bought my Incra from. Peter Sefton is WWW's owner now I think? Great store. Nice guy too. I appreciate your point and funnily enough, I was going to mention the Incras age (As in time on the market, not my particular fence). I omitted it as I think it would have been another strike against Incra and I didn't want to be too harsh. It struck me that the fact the Incra has remained unchanged for 20 years, unrefined, is a poor show. As I've hopefully shown, whilst fundamentally a solid fence product from Incra , there's plenty of scope for improvement.
This looks like a nice mitre fence and gauge, I am sure it has some advantages over the incra and some disadvantages. Here is my concern about the recent obsession about China tools, and each indivdual has to make uo their own mind, at some point, supporting China made goods, which are often rips offs of North American R&D will cost! Ill leave it there for each to ponder. Thank you for the video
The Hongdui gauge and fence are exceptional. And are unique, not rip offs of N American R&D. Incra have stood still for 20 years. Plenty of time to refine these products but chose not to.
Obsession is a strong word. It's not obsession, more that Chinese manufacturers have "arrived" now. They've moved beyond cheap knock offs (though those are still available) and - as is the case with companies like Hongdui - are creating unique, exquisitely made and, compared to the West, reasonably priced tools and accessories.
Sure, China has engaged in blatant coppying, reverse engineering and industrial espionage even. But that's nothing new and, let's not pretend western companies haven't made out like bandits from the cheap manufacturing offered by China!
You can still buy genuine N American if that's your preference as I can buy British. In the end though, I couldn't give a shit where something's from. If it's good and assists me in producing quality work, I'm for it. I have many tools from the US, Britain (of course), Japan, Canada, Australia and Germany. I am pleased to be able to add China to that list personally.
I got this back in Nov 2023. Was damaged upon arrival and still waiting for the replacement part. In my opinion, I will never order from Bangood again since the customer service in these types of circumstance is non existent. They have your money and you get damaged goods. Stick to the US or CDN made products where you will get treated much better.
What was damaged? What part?
In follow up to the above review. Banggood never did send the replacement part. They offered a $25 CND refund which I reluctantly agreed to. I have still not received the refund to date.
Given the poor customer service from Banggood I contacted Hongdui directly by email and explained the situation with Banggood. Hongdui stated without hesitation that they stand behind their products and said they would ship the replacement part asap, Well low and behold the part arrived within 3 days. Cheers to Hongdui and they could teach Banggod a lesson in customer service. I now give Hongdui a 5 star rating and Banggood stays at a 1 since it cant be any lower.@@BischBaschBosch
i may have to unsubscribe. you are costing me too much money! 🙂
😁Please don't! My next video is an exercise in reusing material, not buying stuff. Promise.👍
I think that having a good drop saw (if you have one) will be much easier. You'll be much better off, just build 2 extension wings for the drop saw...
I have one. Great for rough cuts/sizing but, I find mitre saws too inconsistent for fine work. Different machines for different tasks. I actually use an over-router to mill the mitred faces for my furniture.