Infiray P2 Pro smartphone thermal camera review & teardown
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- A look at the Infiray P2 Pro thermal camera.
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That looks really good.
I worked with a Tiny1-C(same module, no flex, more densely integrated) before it was released, and the preproduction devboard it came with is *really* similar to the P2.
The sensor module has SPI(in some versions), I2C, UART, and a regular parallel digital output(DVP). The Realtek chip is literally just a DVP to UVC hardware interface used for generic webcams as well.
Their cores are a pleasure to work with, very intelligently designed.
The temptation was too much. I ordered one.
Oh dang! I better hurry up and order mine before you make a video about it and drive up the price 😅
Felt that same urge and ordered one too.
y'all will be pleased with this tiny device !
Video imminent then Clive?
@@mattwuk I'm sure it'll make an appearance.
It was cute watching the chiplets in the Pi heat up, like watching valve/tube heaters kick in and start emitting thermions.
Infiray seems to have really been cornering the market for high-performance thermal imaging sensors lately. I believe they were the first Chinese company to commercialise a 1920x1080 sensor, and they recently introduced what they say is the first 8-micron pixel thermal imager.
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This P2pro is much better than so many other cell phone thermal imaging cameras on the market. But it is too low-profile. There are not many videos of relevant reviews that can be found online. Thank you for making such a great video!
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@@yanikkunitsin1466 What are you talking about? Did you even watch the video?
using the camera to "get correct temperature" for hot air desoldering.. now THAT's clever.
I bought myself one because of your review and I'm very happy with the camera. It works great for electronics repair. Resolution on long range is OK but not exceptional
I am interested in getting one too, but they're about $360CAD on Amazon. Where did you buy yours?
@@AureliusR And it's worth it. I bought mine via AliExpress.
@@AureliusR Just a suggestion. If you can buy it from Amazon where it's FULFILLED by Amazon, I'd suggest do that rather than Aliexpress. I've read so many reviews on Aliexpress talking about hos difficult that their support is to deal with, especially for proven FAKE/CLONED garbage.
With Amazon, as long as FULFILLED BY AMAZON, it's easy to get any problems resolved.
if it's "sold and shipped" by the seller, PERSONALLY, I never buy. The rules are different when something is shipped by the seller as compared to FULFILLED by Amazon.
Just a suggestion.
Cheers for a great in depth review Mike! Looks way better than dito FLIR dongle cam addon, and the 24 fps feature sold me right away after the frustration of handheld lagfest whilst searching for hot components on a tightly populated pcb with all tiny components gets me every time...
If this is an early-ish version where they've spent most of the time doing the hardware perhaps we can expect some nice app updates in a near future addressing the things you pointed out here for starters?!
I can see this causing some headaches for Seek Thermal, FLIR etc purely on the fps feature alone since that will easily drive sales. Also being more compact and less in the way whilst troubleshooting stuff. Saw below that someone just bought one at aliexpress for £175 shipped to UK including VAT - if the fps and size didn't sell it, the price surely will since any similar device made in EU or USA with that framerate would probably set you back a grand, if not more?! Never really checked since it's way outside my hobbyist budget for something I use rarely...
Again, cheers for the review and fantastic tip!
The specs and performance look pretty good, I've just ordered one off AliExpress, it includes the clip on macro lens and the same poor storage bag. The price today, there's a bit of a deal on, is £ 175 shipped here to the UK
including the 20% vat add on.
Great video, hope you can do a comparision video with flir, seek, etc, so people can choose the right model
You must be new here.
Best review I've seen so far
Good find, now I know what I will buy myself for Christmas.
Thanks, been waiting for a decent review of one of these for electronics.
I love it, I've had one for over a year now. I keep it inside my old Seek Thermal case, which it fits into with ALOT of space to spare. I didn't get that magnetic macro lens thing through. It wasn't available at the time.
Wow thank you for the tear down! I own one and I'm tempted to open it to see the internals but it's my first thermal sensor and I don't want to ruin it.
Superb teardown and review Mike, alas though, for my budget - I'll still have to use my fingertip ;) All the best, Beamer.
Have owned the T2L for half a year now. Great piece of hardware and the adjustable lens allows you to go in really close if needed. The 25 frame rate changes everything, you can just intuitively point it around. I am not worried too much about the software support long-term because in the end it outputs UVC video which will allow any program to at least read the output. It is not the most precise but for PCB or home insulation sleuthing these things don't have competition.
Awesome camera! Thanks for the thorough review
Excellent review! I just bought P2 Pro for about three months. Its multiple functions are convenient. It makes smartphone a wonderful tool. Besides, the resolution is good enough for work.
That's fascinating to see your Pi booting up
Thanks for the soldering trick - looks handy.
So small and yet so powerful... Need one for my house inspections.
12:20 you can also see the PCB traces too! Also, the cam is built-in a new-ish dogee phone too. Bigclive made a recent video about it.
Just FYI, the camera also works with the TOPDOM TC001 Software. Both Android and Windows. They seem to use the same sensor module.
Looks really good, I might buy one.
Mince review. goos seeing you again. I just finally picked one of these up since I had the original FLIR one for iPone. the big clunky one with the manual shutter calibration and they stopped supporting in with an app update. It did its thing for 8 years but it was time for an update.
I've got a HT 301 which is pretty much a InfiRay T3 in a different enclosure. I think it uses the UVC zoom control for setting palettes and stuff. When connected to a PC there are a couple of rows of pixels at the bottom which appear to contain data from the camera. Maybe this one operates in a similar way? Hopefully the US removes their framerate restriction for thermal cameras. I wouldn't even consider buying a camera from a US manufacturer at the moment when you can get 3x the frame rate at half the cost from China.
Really like it, might just have to grab one, my old Flir C2 has been looking to retire for a while.
great little thermal camera for about £250, and really nice complete Review🙂
Thank you! I was looking at this exact camera!
That was a really in-depth review.
I use a spotting thermal scope and the software on my thermal scope is naff too. I'm unsure if naff software and thermal imaging is a common thing or just manufacturers being a bit weird.
Like others have commented here - could a lens be attached to create a better zoom? It would give the device a much broader range of uses. Even is a clip on magnetic lens was included for an extra £100 it would attract more buyers.
An AliExpress seller is using this vid for marketing, so it must be a good review.
I just got the T2S+ and use the xtherm app which is a different app then you are using? The T2S+ is 256x192 with adj built in macro lens infinity to less then 1". I waiting years for these to get better and for price to come down, these by far are better then seek or the bad design of FLIR built in battery.
rom home security to outdoor adventures, it seems like the perfect tool to have in various situations. Its compact size is a huge plus too, making it incredibly portable and easy to take with you wherever you go.
Great review, nice to see it been used in trouble shooting, some saying it’s isn’t useful but I personally think it actually works in some situations.
6:19 I was so focused into the vid I forgot I was craving some text. Right on time ❤
You need to know background scene temperature if emissivity is not 1, because if emissivity is 0.5, 50% of the IR light from the object is coming from the background and does not reflect the objects temperature. (total IR = emissivity*temperatureK^4+(1-emissivity(reflectivity)*backgroundtempK^4) Fortunately, a lable, or splash of more or less any paint or grease or tape gets you to emissivity 1, and that's almost always the better way.
The ambient temp could be to compensate for reflection. If the target object has a low emissivity then the reflection of the surroundings off the object will affect the temperature. They may also be compensating for air absorption/emission of IR, although they would need to know distance and humidity for that to be accurate.
Nice review in details....I am kinda wanna buy one
That's an incredibly little thing, it seems like it'd be very useful for thermal measurements through small gaps in walls or something like that.
12:13 - on an old Pi 3 using a thermal camera you can see each of the 4 cores in the CPU doing things. It's very cool (or hot!) - sadly the metal case of the Pi 4 CPU makes this difficult now
nice one! very useful video. I'm ready to buy p2pro for its price. I think it's enough for me.
If you do electronics work, you might wan to consider something that has 2 cams built in. The thermal element and a actual video element so that the video can be superimposed over the thermal image.
For electronics, this makes identifying SMD components so much easier.
Appreciate everything you post has minimal preamble and straight to the point.
No need to say: "Don't forget to like and subscribe"
With interesting posts. You don't need to be told silly things like "Don't forget to like and subscribe"
Thanks Mike. Interesting product.
Good review. Shame you didn't get to test the T2S Plus, which I've decided to buy sometime this week...I think after seeing this. One question: which android app did you use?
The P2 pro app
high power thermal imager， perfect for home DIYer.
Great review, thanks Mike. This looks like it wipes the floor with my Flir i3, so should I sell the Flir in favour for the Infiray?
Very interested in this 🤔 would like to make a thermal camera on the raspberry pi. Did you need to download any drivers?
Would like to run it in opencv to change the palettes 👍
your video gave me the idea of mounting a thermal camera inside my iphone SE (2016). maybe run jumper cables to the lightning port and have the negative/black wire go through a reed switch and use the magnet on my keychain splitter to activate it? shove the battery down a little bit, take apart the infiray p2, drill out a hole in the case, hot glue lol. it looks like its pretty decent image quality from your video with no additional lens, just the packaging. I really do like the size of my mini iphone, its actually the guts of an SE shoved into an iphone 5S case that i made. hmm so many ideas. thanks for uploading this. probably the only footage on the internet of the inside of this thing plus image quality without lenses!
The resolution and framerate looks great compared to similar devices.
I guess they can't do the dual-camera overlay like flir, because of the patent.
no. the patent is expiring and you can work around the wording.
The issue is that if you don't know the distance of the cameras, how can you align the pictures?
@@sarowie How expensive would it be to put a cheap RGB camera alongside the thermal camera? 10 USD? Maybe it's still patent(s?) why it's not done.
@@kwinzman sure, the cheap rgb camera is cheap - now you need to precisely align it, so that both axis look in the same direction. If the two cameras squint even a few degrees of axis, you have a mess on any distance. Then splice the video stream "somehow". You could do an internal USB-Hub, but that is expensive and huge. You could create a jumbo frame with both - now you sync two cameras and need an FPGA or Microcontroller with serious memory just to compose the images. Note that when done right, the IR-Module never actually has a full image - you need to chop the video into packets "eitherway", so why waste memory and at time delay just to...? Yeah, much easier and faster to store the ADC results just in the packet buffer and send the packet on its way when its time.
Also note the lack of polish in this product and details like the app. Mike does not mind them, but they are there. Now make that with the overlay technology and it becomes the opposite of helpful as the pictures annoyingly only align when freshly user calibrated (for that specific distance), but the user calibrate button glichtes out regurlaly, so you don`t want to user calibrate... so you switch it off and wonder about the waste of space of an RGB camera, when the smartphone cameras are so much better "eitherway".
hi..it is a normal getting hot the p2 pro when you plug in on smartphone?but not so hot
Hi nice video. Is that the best smallest thermal camera on the market?
Mine unfortunately failed and I will need to open it. which tool and how did you manage to open it?
Rts58 *03* is a USB camera controller / transceiver.
I've got their T25+ and it's pretty good, my Seek was always flaky connecting and now just doesn't work at all.
Hello, your Review is very good, but I can't find any that talk about the camera software, I have some doubts if, for example, I can take thermal photos and then calmly analyze them, check the temperatures with the points, lines and rectangles of an already saved image, Another question is the software for Windows that I think it has, I read that it does not open the images of the Infiray P2 Pro, since you have this camera you could clear my doubts, I am interested in buying it, greetings and thank you.
Could the usb info be transmitted wirelessly eg from a drone?
Can it be used to guide a thermal missile or not quite yet?
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Do you have the 'tof viewer' app..? I know its not thermal but it does the best job of night vision on android that I've seen by far
This brand of equipment is really excellent
thank you
There are at least 3 different PC windows apps for it. You can ask infiray for one, other are on internet.
if you had the camera looking behind you, image flip would make the horizontal config proper, left= left right=right 👍
Nice video, I'm still using the thermal camera of my cat s60 phone, I hope they mass produce these camera sensores so they become cheap and affordable.
These are already affordable in any professional case. You get your ROI in a month or two, tops!
We covered you last thermal camera in one mont just because diagnosing some computers took ten seconds instead of ten minutes or two hours.
Mike I need to use this camera to find thermal asymmetries in some large angle high temperature sources. Whenever I use it for this purpose the camera gives a prompt about overheating. Do you think this can be avoided with better cooling of the sensor/PCB?
Overheating its safe message for matrix
Because a matrix cant see high temperature
My phone doesn't show the correct temperature on the app; it's always -273,15°C. When I change to the Kelvin unit, it shows 0°K. It seems I can't calibrate it, even when I set the ambient temperature to my room temperature, it doesn't work.
I tried it with the TC001 App, and the temperature works there. So I think it's a problem with the P2 Pro App. Can anyone confirm that?
My phone: Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra.
Try different R-pi emulators to see if the camera works properly or not. IMO, by seeing how this camera behaves overall, all the issues it has are in software. The hardware seems pretty on point.
Thats pretty cool, have been getting pretty fed up with the seek software lately - if these guys put some more effort into the app I'm ready to switch!
Awesome review
P2 Pro is an ideal tool for electronics enthusiasts and professionals.
Do you have any shots of it showing things further away?
Could you use it to show heat leakage on a house for example?
yes, works fine at longer distances
@@mikeselectricstuff awesome! Wasn't sure if the short focal distance would be a problem
I mean thermal camera apps really, really need to be open source. That I can't fix those small clunkyness problems with the UI myself really is a dealbreaker. I wonder when those companies will learn that the way to sell their cameras is to have usuable, open apps.
It's just a regular UVC camera so any video player will work. The only thing extra is a few lines of pixels in the bottom of the frame that encode metadata like temperature ranges etc.
I'd have to pick up this one specifically to test but OpenCam and HedgeCam are both really great for supporting wacky/unusual cameras, due to being forks of each other.
Specifically, on a Pixel 4 I have laying around, I'm able to access the infrared front-facing face detection camera whenever I wish - not quite as handy as a true thermal camera, let alone one that can be flipped around when needed, but it's still a handy thing!
It is probably a USB 2.0 device, if it is, it will not be long until someone plugs one into a "GreatFET One" and fully reverse engineers everything that the application does and creates an open source application.
Because their job is creating the device and making it functional. It's not worth their time to make the UX wonderful, but you can do that for others if you want.
Could I use this in a wider angle application. I want to stand in front of my house and use the thermal image to find health leaks through windows ect.
yes
I've used mine to see power adapters I *thought* were turned off, sitting there drawing power, getting hot, and wasting my money! If it's warm, it's using power.
There is also an InfiRayGo app, which will work with this P2 Pro camera. Worth trying it.
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can you attach an external lcd and make it dedicated instead of using a cell phone and app? turning it into a scope or monocular.
You can buy a tablet and 3D print a case.
How hard would it be to get that lens out?
Taking a look at an Aliexpress page for this product, there's no mention of focus. It doesn't appear that there's a manual adjust for focus, so is it a fully automatic focus (from near to far) or simply just close? How would this work outdoors?
You don't focus it. It's quite a wide lens so they are relying on the hyperfocal distance. Things are in focus from about 30cm to Infinity.
@@AlexanderGee Is it wider than a normal cellphone camera or about the same?
Edit: How does it also compare in focus and FOV compared to the seek thermal? Can the Seek Thermal get a closer focus?
The Focus is fixed to "Infinity" I'd say.
I mean, I ordered mine with the macro (SMD Diagnostics are a breeze with this thing).
I've tried to buy from the manufacturer, but failed. I even tried my agent in Shanghai... no luck.
Not sure that they really are available yet
you can contact me for more details
Neat. IIRC, the Pi boot loader starts the GPU first, that tiny first hot spot, and it, the GPU, then initializes the RAM, that tiny second hot spot, then starts up the CPU core, that big third hot spot, after which it transfers control to the CPU. Cool to see it in action like that.
These are interesting. I have an old thermal camera for android phones that uses micro USB and specifically USB OTG, but neither of things work properly on modern android phones. So I have to keep a really old phone around just to occationally use the old camera. Maybe I need to upgrade...
Or just get a USB-C to micro-usb OTG adapter - like every possible USB adapter you could possibly think of is out there somewhere
I'm still looking for a phone new enough to have OTG ..
@@petevenuti7355 Huh, every phone I've had had OTG going back to some ancient HTC something or other running Android 3 - on a phone with a micro USB port, you need a special OTG cable that shorts the 5th pin to ground which tells the phone to go into USB host mode (otherwise it's a USB device). My last few work phones have come with a USB OTG adapter that plugs into the phone with micro-usb and provides a USB type A female socket on the other side (like a standard USB port you'd find on a computer)
@@gorak9000 got 3 that don't, even tried rooting it and adding the necessary files to support OTG only to find the hardware incapable...
@@gorak9000 You wrote: "you need a special OTG cable that shorts the 5th pin to ground...". Could you be more specific, the 5th pin is the ground (1st red is VCC , 2nd white is D-, 3rd green is D+, 4 NC is ID, 5th black is GND). You probably meant connecting the 4th pin to ground, i.e. to 5th pin.
There should be a standard IR camera API already so that we could have a best of breed Open-source viewing software starting to mature.
Affixing with double sided or glueing a magnet on the back may be a handy method of mounting the camera as long as you can source a flexible cable.
Interesting that all the boot parameter text is in ENGLISH.
How would you go about to get this working as a Tele lens? Using laser focus lenses? Can it detect people at longer distances?
Just serch the eBays for "CO2 Laser Focus Lens PVD ZnSe Focal Lens Dia.18mm 20mm for Laser Engraver Head". Some people 3D print the stand-off tube for this lens. I used a section of metal tubing and B7000 cement. Just tinker with proper focal length, set the distance with tape temporarily then build!
@@skeggjoldgunnr3167 can you upload a video of it done? I need more distance in my lens. How would one achieve that using only one lens. I think you need more of them.
@@knallpistol OH! I'm sorry. I just finally properly read your original question. I am talking about a MACRO lens. For using camera up-close ONLY. Sorry to have wasted your time.
what on earth happend with the lens of that thing? Is that moisture under the lens or scratches? Or damaged coating?
Yeah was that too. it didn't look good
Yeah saw that too I meant to say
Wish I could afford one but well out of my price range. Would make some mobile repairs so much easier.
Does it require mandatory registration?
no
There is also a Infiray Xtherm T3S and Xtherm T3Pro which costs nearly three times more for 2.25 times the number of pixels 384×288 (T2S+ and P2 Pro has 256×192) still with a 25 Hz frame rate. Personally I can't justify the higher price.
288p camera can be 50cm away from the bench on a pantograph with all that space available to you, to work with your both hands and even flip and move the board around, solder and rework without spewing the lens and camera with flux and fumes ;)
there is a great need for it in car camera against wild life
Add a longer FL znse lens to it and you could do close up inspections of circuit boards with this little TIC. 😀
at what distance can this be used? i want check the cold spots in my walls.
There the InfiRay does a good job. From the 2nd floor, a car and a walking person can be clearly identified.
@@jensharbers6702 Ah! but can it "see" a skunk hiding under the back porch when it's cold outside?
LOL
Not kidding.... well... sort of... but I did use my Flir for that very purpose.
Slick just picked one up
Did you manage to get one of the black friday priced ones on aliexpress? Pretty good to get the camera and the macro lens for $185, but it was annoying to dig through the 30 different "products" they had listed to find one that wasn't sold out of the combo pack with the macro (and that their $40 off coupon worked, but the $45 coupon didn't)
This would be an insane fpv camera. Is there a way of unsoldering the camera and soldering it to a fpv transmitter? Or maybe there's a way without damaging/unsoldering the board? I'd be curious for your input, and great video!
i have the same question since 2010. hmmm. quality is ok at this price, i think we are getting closer to fpv use...
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@@rolliseventeen I’m currently using one of those mini cellphones and TeamViewer to operate it remotely via. OTG to a thermal images. It’s super cool, but can only work where there’s a cellular signal. Hopefully prices for thermal camera drones will come down soon!
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Emissiv-tea - nice name for a band. Or a hot beverage for gen-z RF engineers.
Decent price for this unit, I definitely welcome any FLIR competitor.
Sounds to me like it's time to revisit that World's Smallest Thermal Camera project :p
When it comes to thermal cameras the products from Chinese companies really seem to offer by far the most for the price. Infiray, Qianli Super Cam....so many nice companies that offer thermal cams with higher resolutions, much better framerates, closer focusing distances and even the software is often better. Their software might have flaws too, but just for a little comparison. I'm currently using a Flir One Pro which is worse in all the points above and cost much more. The Flir doesn't work on the PC and their App had for about 9 months a bug where half of the menu wasn't accessible because it was off the screen on most recent phones. It took me about 2-3 weeks to finally find a way to contact the Flir support for a bug report because their ticket system didn't let me log in and all provided eMail addresses were dead or just replied to their non working ticket system. But even after reporting such a massive bug it took months to fix it....together with a new product they try to sell. It was my first and last Flir.
Happy to see that these days we can get something much better for the money. Looking forward to an upgrade.
From my experience with quite a few cameras, I found only the FLIR ones can read temperature with any accuracy. The Chinese offerings and Seek both fail to read temperatures within even 5C of accuracy, sometimes off by more than 10C. They are good tools for finding shorting spots, but not good for radiometry. I know how to handle different emissivity, and I've received some proper radiometry training, the cameras just aren't accurate enough. I use a T3Pro from Infiray, and for what I do with it it is capable enough, but if you want concrete numbers, forget about it. I only use it to make sure my SOT883 transistors don't explode, and for that teeny tiny size I need a high resolution camera with a refocusable lens, hence the 384*288 camera. But I would be fooling myself if I cared about absolute accuracy. I only need to know if it is =175C. Any error within the gap is fine for me.
@@bskull3232 i cant say that over my P2 pro.
i played a lot with it and even could monitor a slightly raised body temperature on my forehead of 38.2°C when i got the flu a week ago vers. 36-36.6°C normal.
i'd call that super precise for a non prosumer product.
@@casemodder89 Good for you. Maybe mine are zebras. After all I didn't have tens of them, just a few. Most of mine measure body temp in north of 40C. That being said, I live in the north and the ambient here is cold, so the cameras tend to read higher than true temp. If your ambient is closer to the object being measured, you will get better accuracy.
@@bskull3232 Well, I can't confirm that either. Of course, thermal imaging won't getting accurate unless you are in the high 3 or 4 figure price range. There the sensors are usually compenasted for temperature changes and drift. Also: Emissivity is a great factor. I Usually use .95 for the most daily stuff, when I want to d accurate then I need to set the factor accuratly, then the results are pretty accurate.
(I tested that on my 3D printer, I installed a separate thermal probe, used a matte tape and tested it with 70 degrees C of temp). 1-2C's difference is to be expected, with no account for emissivity 5C are possible, or even more, but usually a thermal camera is used to spot faults, defects or thermal bridges, rarely I've seen those to get used for referencing temperatures.
In my expierience with also some higher end FLIR's, it's mostly user error. Also: The pricepoint.
@@jensharbers6702 Cheap cameras have single point temperature compensation sensor. When the camera is being warmed up or being cooled down, the compensation temp is not lens temp, thus the compensation can be thrown off by a few deg C, that's a major source of error. If you pull a camera out of your pocket into the cold winter air, you will find it being quite inaccurate for the first few minutes. Unfortunately, I don't do thermal imaging for a living, I only use it sparsely when I have to, so they never get to be properly warmed up or cooled down to reach thermal equilibrium.