Teen Gojo vs Jogo (Why It Isn't As Close As You Think)
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- čas přidán 18. 07. 2022
- Teen Gojo vs Jogo... in this video I will be going over both of these characters intelligence, strength, speed, and hax in order to determine who would win a versus battle.
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I will never not find it funny that the only two proper fights we've ever seen Jogo in were against the only two people who could realistically bully him the way they did. If almost anybody else were to fight him (aside from maybe Yuta, Hakari, and Yuki) Jogo would have railed. Jogo having to fight Adult Gojo and 15 Finger Sukuna is like making Kenpachi fight Yamamoto, survive, and then fight Aizen. Like give him ANY other opponent and he would at the very least give a pretty good fight. But Gege had to give Jogo that respectful disrespect and match him up against the two most haxed mf's in JJK.
if you think hakari and yuta can take him, then we can throw Ryu and kashimo onto the list.
@@ihopespaceisedible330 I was only considering the people who were technically around while Jogo was alive. But yes, Ryu and Kashimo would probably kick his ass. Not exactly an anti-feat though, considering they were like the top two sorcerers of their time.
@@MandatoryFruit Me personally I don't think hakari would do very well against Jogo he just doesn't seem like he would fair very well agaist jogo's cursed techniques. I think Hakari definitely has the physical power to be a threat to him but i don't know where he sits speed wise; lets not forget that jogo is pretty fast in his own right. I also think Yuta has better scaling and feats than hakari I mean naobito the second fastest sorcerer is literally scared of him and Yuta was able to straight up chase down itadori in base with a drawn katana.
@@Yu-dp5hp Hakari has some of the fastest speed feats in the series. He's literally able to block lightning (albeit only once.)
@@Yu-dp5hp hakari reacted to lighting aimed at his head(not dodge)
Jogo had to face prime Gojo and 15 finger sukana in the span of a few months. Mans couldn’t catch a break.
Exactly he was literally catching L's left and right
He really just fought the wrong opponents. Jogo is very strong, his match ups were just the worst.
Honestly it's what he deserves
Especially since that comes from his mentality of thinking that humans are inferior and weak
He asked for it.
lol
I remember debating this on reddit and people called me a madman for thinking Jogo could beat him. I don’t think people realize just how strong Gojo is in the current day compared to his early high school days
Hell he’s even stronger than when he fought in the night parade lol. But you’re right, jogo would blitz him and can just use domain to nullify any of his attacks, and since at this time he doesn’t have a domain he can’t do anything. Like a better match would be hanami vs teen Gojo
Dude most people on the subreddit are genuinely braindead I can't stand them
@@marquisedreams8812 nah, we forgetting hanami also has domain.
Hanami had a domain and he was gonna use it against Todo and Yuji, but Gojo showed up.
The biggest thing that changed this guy was the introduction of RCT and then being able to implement RCT in his cursed techniques after. Once the technique became automatic he basically had a totally different mastery of jujutsu
Finally! This really needed to be done. Too many people clown on Jogo for losing to the 2 power ceilings of the series.
He deserves to be clowned. He picked the fight despite everyone saying they are the strongest
@@benjaminpointdexter7280 i agree with his fight with gojo but with sukuna, he needs to fight in order to gain the favor of sukuna at that time.
So eh 50/50
You could say it takes the two strongest character to take him down.
@@benjaminpointdexter7280 what else would he have done with sukuna? He had no choice
He would take a lot of fights, he's not taking this sorry
I agree jogo is quite powerful but I don't think he can put up much of a fight against toji even in his mindless state
Give the man a cake he deserves, dont give him a whole damn bakery 🤣
Gojo Awakening was supposed to be an equivalent of enlightenment in real world, Buddha was normal people before enlightenment after enlightened he's seen as heavenly creature, if you apply this for gojo satoru the awakening he experienced make him ascended to divine realm the difference between pre awakening and awakened gojo was like earth and sky
It’s cooler to say heaven and earth lol. I’m sorry I read to much Wuxia stuff
And then people act like the awakening was a +2 attack bonus when it comes to scaling Toji just to say he is weak
And I was getting called an idiot for thinking that jogo could defeat teen gojo. This dude Jogo doesn’t even get any credit in the anime and the manga. He has killed a lot of sorcerers before he counters prime gojo and 15 fingers sukuna and people are calling weak. This is prime gojo who is the strongest sorcerer in this generation and 15 finger sukuna who's the king of curses that can kill maharoga, the monster that killed two head clan sorcerers in the past.
Such is the nature of debating with people who aren’t naturally good power scalers or just simply don’t use good evidence.
They could have assumed you meant Post-awakened Gojo, which is a whole different beast altogether. It really depends on pre vs post awakening.
"Jogo lost to Gojo and Sukuna. Jogo is overrated, hes weak!"
I swear lol. Some people are just criminally stupid.
@A1phaz0ne Jogo or Yuki? Jogo or Yuta? Jogo or Naoya? Jogo or Kenjaku? Jogo or Hakari? Jogo or Kashimo? Jogo or Higuruma? Is Jogo even top 10 in jjk?
@@lkhguycrazy Jogo dogwalks Naoya and Low-mid diffs Hakari
feel bad for jogo and mahito's domain lmao. both are things that would actually prove to be formidible if they got shown more. if not for sukuna and gojo mahito's domain would be the strongest even now tbh. and jogo... we all know he fought the 2 strongest in the verse. no need to say anything there.
Jogo has one of the worst luck in the whole series.
And I thought I had a badluck
fr, the only big fights he was in was literally against the 2 strongest characters in the whole manga
First jogo gets gut checked and traumatized by Gojo then has to fight Sukuna, man I feel bad
@@user-zd3fr6gx2d obviously he would have one shotted all the good guys except yuta and gojo. Thats why he had the strongest opponents
man that awakening did wonders for Gojo
are you ever gonna talk about hakari and his scaling or abilities?
working on a hakari video atm actually
@@BrokenRonin bet
@@BrokenRonin W
hakari outlasts most people GG
Hakari is wild. We don’t even really have a good grasp on what his abilities are other than his domain and his weird cursed energy. It’s possible that he’s engaged in a binding vow wherein his CT is limited in exchange for giving him a busted domain but idk.
God... this video made me realize how bad old jjk powerscaling used to be.
me to
In the latest chapter of JJK, Gojo stated that he had learned Falling Blossom Emotion as a kid, implying he could use it against Jogo. I could argue about Simple Domain being in his toolkit, but maybe that's overstretching it. Maybe it won't even change a thing or maybe it gives Gojo a chance against Jogo.
Against Jogo simple domain probably negs his domain since the only characters we see who can strip simple domains are Kenjaku and Sukuna. Both are VERY proficient barrier users are top 3 and 2/1 respectively. Stripping away barriers isn’t a technique Jogo has displayed or implied to know how, mainly just a brawler. So simple domain would probably negate the worst of his domain.
Teen Gojo never has a change against Jogo. What ever he has learned something at that time but he is still trash and almost gets killed by Toji "base 7 finger" Sukuna and Jogo power base "11 finger Sukuna".
@@Gainpachapotracho Teen Gojo- prior to his awakening- was able to fend off a Toji Fushiguro with prep time, an individual that had set up an elaborate scheme to tire Satoru out.
In terms of speed, we could argue that Teen Satoru is equal with this Toji who, in Shibuya, was able to blitz Dagon and is equal to Maki- one who can keep up with 15 Finger Meguna (albeit his CT attack output is at 10% due to Megumi's influence, said Meguna retains his speed and durability regardless of said suppression).
Connecting the dots together, we should come up with a conclusion that Teen Gojo should be able to blitz Jogo given the speed feat I just mention earlier. Yes, said speed blitz won't last long until the latter uses his domain, but keep in mind Gojo has Falling Blossom Emotion.
In terms of barrier techniques, it's important as well that a higher Cursed Energy overpowers the other. When Satoru uses FBE on Sukuna, it was stated that it only weakened the slashes due to Sukuna having a higher pool of Cursed Energy.
Jogo is at most, around 9-10 fingers at best. However, for Satoru, we cannot say much if his CE is greater than Jogo's, as all we've been getting from statements in the manga is that Yuta's CE is greater than Gojo's, with Sukuna's being greater than Yuta's. However, his Six Eyes makes up for it by maximizing the usage of his CE that he can spam techniques without losing as much CE like any other sorcerer.
Factoring the fact that he's at least a special grade sorcerer even at this age, it's safe to say that Teen Gojo has a greater pool of Cursed Energy than Jogo's.
Why am I saying this? Well, if you actually read the whole thing, you'd know that a greater Cursed Energy means greater Output and, therefore, allows one's techniques to bypass the other. Given Gojo's Six Eyes, he should be able to use FBE at its fullest during the time Jogo has his domain. Once said Domain runs out, all Gojo has to do is beat him with Maximum Output Blue (which, mind you, he could spam even whilst worn out and tired by Toji, as he was about to use them against the Fly Heads had it not been for him realizing that Toji had gone away, which is a huge mistake).
@@backbackback9845 ok, an? It’s similar thing with yuji. Physically yuji would neg most characters but again against anyone with domain it’s an instant loss for him same thing with gojo and even if he had simple domain or blossom move. Also gojo was heavily tired.
@@Rocket_Mappa The only weakness of Falling Blossom Emotion- according to the wiki, is the fact that if Jogo has a higher CE output than Gojo.
And also, aren't we putting Teen Unawakened Gojo that isn't tired? At least that's what I remember....
Love this versus man, keep doing them pls
Nice video, you showcase great evidence and scaling while tying in good humor and editing. Though I disagree with you sometimes, it’s refreshing seeing someone in this community who has a clue when it comes to matchups and such
sick matchup, i always find teen gojo and jogo to be super interesting to scale and discuss
editing was great btw !
The editing in this video is top tier.
Your editing is improving dramatically
Love the editing
I loved the editing in this video
Man you've improved your editing
After unlocking Reverse Cursed Technique which uses 2x Cursed energy(-) to make Reverse Cursed Energy(+)
Which is used for Healing, Reversal red, mixing red and blue for Hollow purple and as he posses 6 eyes which make your CE usage close to zero in a CT
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@@joseandre4603 ?
This video is talking about the Gojo before unlocking all that
My take on this fight is, if Gojo can land enough blows to equal 5 black flashes from Yuji and a strike from Todo with playful cloud then Gojo wins. However if Gojo can’t finish the job, Jogo is going to use Domain Expansion and then Jogo wins. The fight is definitely in Jogo’s favor since he just needs to use Domain Expansion.
Its stated that Gojo himself cannot preform a black flash at will 🗿
Gojo would have to land those blows in a short time frame, as Jogo can still regenerate.
I think Toji overestimated Gojo in their first fight. With Blue being half as strong as Red, and Toji tanking Red, I don’t think Blue would be able to hurt him much at all even if it could hit him. Gojo has no win conditions.
What is red made of? Reverse Cursed Energy. What can destroy a curse? Positive cursed energy aka RCE aka Red.
@@lkhguycrazy Yeah I think you’ve got it wrong. Red isn’t reversed cursed energy, outputting reversed cursed energy is a whole different skill. What Gojo did is use his knowledge of reverse curse energy to “invert” his technique, turning Lapse Blue, an attack that attracts, into Reversal Red, an attack that repels.
the issue came not from blur ap but gojo spamming blue, sure he can survive blue like 10 times but 100 of them some where multiple times in different direction while infinity is om
@@lkhguycrazyReversal cursed technique is not the same as inverting (reverse) the effects of a cursed technique. Kenjaku demonstrates this in his fight against Yuki when he used reversed anti-gravity to make it just gravity.
@@HS-ts5wf ability to use positive CE is required tho. so in order to use CTR you need to use RCT. and all RCT users would be able to use CTR
I’d like to see a versus between maki and megumi (given that maki is being heavily paralleled to toji). Thanks!
maki shreds megumi
Toji wooped megumis ass, maki would do the same
if you say jogo not killing Nanami and maki on the spot with his technique is an anti-feat then you are basically saying 3-finger sukuna and toji are not capable of one-shotting them either, we all know that doesn't sound right.
1) His argument was that Jogo didn't care all that much whether they lived or not, not that him being incapable of killing them in one blow was justified.
2) Jogo *did* oneshot them. He just didn't kill them (Maki specifically. Nanami was going to die anyway, Naobito did die)
3) Maki is built different. I remember the story even specifically pointing this out as a possible explanation as to why she survived. It was made very clear that she was not supposed to, and only did because she's literally built different.
4) This is a rubbish argument in the first place. If Toji "only" destroyed half of Nanami's body in one blow, leaving him near death but not dead yet, you wouldn't be criticising it, you'd be stunned at his power.
I could remove all context from the situation and whine about Sukuna not one'shotting Megumi in their fight, but I won't, because I read the story and I know that it's in character for Sukuna to play with his opponents instead of killing them outright, the same way it's in character for Jogo to heavily underestimate his opponents, thus why he didn't use the appropriate amount of firepower to instantly kill the sorcerers (when we know for a fact that he does possess the firepower to do that).
It's not an antifeat.
@@mattwayne9128 i think op was referring to people who actually use that as an anti feat not that ronin was using it as one
Pre-Awakening and Post-Awakening Gojo are completely different beasts
Gojo could use a simple domain to defend in the iron coffin domain. However he doesn't have a win card so he'll end up just tiring out.
But I don't think it's the instant loss in the domain but rather a loss overtime within the domain.
We actually don't have any proof that teen Gojo could use a simple domain either (iirc, if I'm wrong then just lemme know the chapter so that i can go re read it lol) so it will, in fact, be an instant loss
@@chuuyaism1653 Nah you're not wrong, im just taking a presumption that he does know it
@@westay4924 ah ok well then i don't think it should be included cuz like it's not explicitly mentioned or even implied soooo
@@chuuyaism1653 true, but considering the knowledge and control necessary to launch blue, i'd say mastering a simple domain should be way easier, miwa (blue haired girl) performed it and i while she might have learned it specifically to use her katana i don't think there's a world where teen gojo is under her in domain technique mastery
@@chuuyaism1653 in hindsight we know he learned falling blossom emotion. still don't think he wins though
Hey, just a quick question. We know that gojo can use reverse curse energy in his technique and create something new (reversal red/ divergence)... Do you think others could also do that, for example, sukuna could probably use the opposite of cut i.e paste(stick objects and humans to create horrible amalgamations probably).. While reverse curse has been used by many different people, so far only gojo comes to mind who has actually used that in his curse technique
He probably could but so far I only remember gojo having thought and made a curse technique reversal
If todo could do what woul it be?
@@casterhook4988 moving the world around his targets instead of moving his targets?
@@holofya that'd be kinda useless. It achives basically the same thing at the cost of 2x CE
@@Apostle_47 it was just an idea, but he could effectively change the distance between him and the opponent and even "teleport" them far away
Liking the new video style🤣
You should do a match up video with Yuta and Hakari to see if what Yuta said is true about Hakari being stronger than him when he gets on a roll
I thinks it’s still too early to judge them, I suspect that Hakari still has more things up his sleeve same with Yuta.
@@natnael13 I think we’ve seen plenty of both…cause in his fight with Kashimo Hakari held his own really well and we got to see how quick on his feet he is and Yutas fight with Ishigoro, Uro, and the roach spirit is in my opinion ample proof of how much he’s grown
@@jadenchong1154 we still haven't see Hakari using his cursed technique, all he did so far are just punches and kicks
@@Jeff-tu8gd even so his capability with just domain and his hand to hand combat is definitely of the higher caliber. Also dont forget we also know he has a cursed energy attribute(that being his rough cursed energy) so even without a technique he’s very dangerous
@@jadenchong1154
The thing that makes Yuta, and copy techniques in general, so problematic when power-scaling is because there's no way for us to know just how many/what type of CTs Yuta has access to. We can assume that he doesn't have many outside of what he's shown seeing as he was in Africa for a year, but Gege could just as easily give Yuta a new CT and it would be justified based on what we know. It's one reason I'm not a big fan of copy techniques(one because it kind of takes away from other characters ex. Inumaki and 2 because it is very unpredictable and very easy to feel unrewarded/out of nowhere if the author doesn't do it right). I trust Gege with Yuta but still, this is one reason I have such a big problem with afo from MHA. We can still compare hakari and Yuta based on what we know currently, but it's kind of weird due to yutas CT.
I literally called jogo wins when he put up a post about and explained how gojo is way weaker than he currently is…gojo literally has stamina problems as said by Gege in the fanbook and was talking about current gojo but the reverse curse technique stops all of that big drain but as a teen he isn’t fully the strongest yet but he’s like top above everybody else still to because the six eyes is already god tier but he made it go to an even higher level
but keep in mind it drained stamina but it took days on top of a guy with no cursed energy to sneak up on him. Jogo won't be doing that.
@@UnifiedEntity As strong as Jogo is he definitely would be noticed by Gojo. So sneaking up on him isn’t an option, but it’s not like he’d need to since he’s too much for Teen Gojo head to head.
@@landendrake hes not tho, his infinity defense would still be impenetrable, jogo cant blitzs him nor does he have a cursed tool
@@grimrocket5592 it will go away in couple of days
And gojo does 0 damage
And explained that domain expansion goes through infinity so uh no jogo beats young pre awakend gojo
@@agilraj1145 a couple days is a long time
Wdym? Gojo shred jogo even as a teen. Domains dp go through infinity but as shown by megumi even incomplete domains can at least negate sure hits, and im pretty sure teen gojo at least has that
Good video, but Ronin forgot Jojo has domain amplification which would let his martial arts hit Gojo
0:21 nah you didn't need to do him like that
I think Jogo definitely got the short end of the stick BUT teen Gojo is not to be played with. Toji needed ALOT to even fight teen Gojo JUST to still use the element of surprise. Toji is a monster but he’s not fighting a teen Gojo that wasn’t at 100%.
Toji needed prep because he is not a good match up to Gojo
My point exactly
This further supports akatamae(sorry for misspelling) stating that all curse energy is trying to balance out gojo’s mere existence to some degree. I’ll explain once I can put more evidence together😂
firstly i should say that i also think that jogo would win the fight against pre-awakened gojo. but there are several things that should be mentioned.
1)jogo's speed. i really don't think that jogo is faster than toji. naoya had to constantly speed up by using projection sorcery multiple times in battle with awakened maki who is on toji's level (maybe SLIGHTLY lower just because she is 16 year girl and toji is 30+ year man). dagon said that naobito is faster than jogo, and naobito used his CT just 1 time from position when he stood still (so PS didn't have any acceleration before 1st frame of movements) and he didn't use it in the row like naoya to speed up exponentially. naoya's speed with couple of activatios of PS > maki's/toji's speed (toji was capable to RUN ON WATER and maki in the latest chapter PUSHED OFF THE FUCKING AIR). naobito's speed with 1 activation of PS > jogo's speed.
2) jogo's domain. i agree that it will be the most difficult part of the fight to teen gojo, but there is 1 thing that y'all forgotten about: falling blossom emotion. the secret jujutsu art passed down in 3 big families that is used as counter-domain measure. of course it wouldn't work on domains which CT attacking not physically (mahito's for example), but jogo's domain is not like that. there's no way that precious heir of gojo family and future head of the clan was not taught this technique to protect himself against strong opponents.
in conclusion: jogo still wins against teen gojo. and i think it still would happen in jogo's domain (when gojo is focused on FBE to protect himself from sure-hit attacks jogo can hit him physically like dagon did with naobito). but it would not be so easy to jogo as you say, he will barely survive this battle. actually gojo can even win under curtain circumstances, but it's unlikely.
Dagon didn't say nahbito was faster than gojo he explicitly said he was the fastest sorcerer with an exception of gojo
You were right that Gojo does have Falling Blossom Emotion! However, two main issues with your assertion.
1. Your scaling of Toji/Maki, Jogo, Naobito, and Naoya; is contentious. You assumed Naoya is as fast as Naobito, which he isn't, nor do we need to necessarily assume they're relative (although they may be). Secondly, Dagon only said that Naobito COULD be faster than Jogo. While Dagon's opinion shouldn't be dismissed, this should be understood that Naobito obviously isn't so significantly faster or otherwise it would've just been a clear statement.
2. Falling Blossom Emotion is useful, but it truly only functions to draw out your life inside a domain. It's a better stalling tool than a flexible combative shield, and Jogo has the prerogative to continue assailing Gojo until he succumbs to injuries.
So, personally I would still believe Jogo stays consistently above most characters in speed, somewhere between Toji and Naobito at their fastest. And, I don't think FBE makes a big difference in this fight
@@prez.cookie980 I agree with most of your statements except one. Jogo isn't between toji and naobito they are both faster than him
Bro the laughing sounds when you showed gojo getting his ass kicked caught me offguard so hard that I started laughing my ass off at 3 am with my daughter sleeping next to me😂😂😂😂😂
Yes jogo sIams, teen gojo has no way to counter his DE
I think you could argue that Gojo has a simple domain and falling blossom emotion here, since he demonstrates both later on and says he “doesn’t really use [them] anymore”. But even so, Jogo’s domain would eat through a simple domain and the ambiant heat would weaken Gojo over time until he gave out
This was really good, I would like a vs battle with Hakari vs hanami or Dagon.
Hakari slams no dif
Jogo finally gets a W against gojo lol
Is it a low difficulty, if u need domain to win a fight?
I will say Gojo´s base durability which he shows on the Gojo fight should scale up his cursed energy, which has been stated to be a massive pool naturally. While cursed energy can grow with training it has been stated to have hard limits based on your natural starting point. While you can still justify a significant increase due to the enlightenment he got from reversed curse technique. This would be the only major level up he´d have. So it is unfair to say he has no durability. If Gojo could previously tank an attack with no damage, a league below is taking some damage but nothing significant.
Broken Zennin strikes again
Broken Ronin who do you think wins if Yuta and Teen Gojo were to brawl. I'd honestly think Yuta would win but I'd like to see your thoughts on it.
Yuta beats Teen Gojo in a brawl pretty outright imo
@@BrokenRonin how bout fushiguro would he stand a chance against teen gojo or no?
@@pewpewbeat1609 No
Did you forget that teen Gojo has simple domain and falling blossom emotion? I'm not really arguing the result right now, but he is not helpless against domains.
I’m kinda curious about Gojo just post-awakening, so only having unlocked purple and maybe an incomplete domain and rct. He can’t do infinity around the clock, so it’d be interesting plus Jogo can probably beat him in domains
Do a video on hakari vs teen gojo pls
Alright good sir, can I get a versus battle between Noritoshi Kamo and Maki Zen'in before Mai's death?
Or maybe Yuji versus Megumi in the Goodwill arc?
Wdym megumi in goodwill arc? U think yuji cant take current megumi who struggled heavily against reggie?
@@thegrimreaper950
I don't know if Yuji has been pushed far enough to see the full extent of his abilities.
Plus, in the Goodwill arc, they fought common opponents. Currently, there's no comparable opponents and they have unknown stats.
That's a pretty fair conclusion. The gap between pre and post awakening Gojo is surprisingly large. No reversed cursed technique takes out basically everything except infinity and blue and makes them actually costly abilities he can't keep active at all times, since red and healing are reverse techniques and purple is made by combining red and blue.
Just as a point of interest/ possible nit-pick, the output of red being twice that of blue is just the minimum threshold right? Because red is a reversed curse technique, requiring reverse cursed energy which is "positive energy", as opposed to regular cursed energy which is "negative energy". Reverse cursed energy is created by "multiplying cursed energy by itself", akin to multiplying a negative number with another negative number to get a positive number result. So if the minimum value blue can run at is -1 (since cursed energy is negative energy & has negative value), then to create red you'd need -1*-1, for a total of 1. It's still a minimum output of "1", but to get that positive value instead of a negative one it requires twice the input of cursed energy. It's not necessarily that red is always twice as strong as blue, just that the weakest red must have at least twice the cursed energy invested then that of the weakest blue because of it's nature as a reversed curse.
I think not considering the capacity for growth of the characters to be an error, if they where to face off in the manga Jogo would prob. play with food, with Gojo being weaker than him but not being able to be harmed, Jogo would then open his domain and Gojo would know for sure he is to be dead, that would surely be a catalist ,not dissimular from Toji, to go after learning domanin espansion, Gojo would probably end up with an incomplete domain, ugly at best, but would have a chance at at least escaping, or do some serius damage if his domain could impair Jogo a little with an overflow of information.
I think it's fair enough to take in consideration the combat sistem and an evolution grow that is implied to be similar to Megumi's and sorcerer of that caliber.
Gojo strenght in his youth was the biggest hostacle to his growth, since he didn't need to become stronger he didn't have many chances to progress in spikes like a normal talented sorcer could, and we know that if Gojo Satoru has something, it is talent.
As much as i agree with this, it would be sort of unfair to give Gojo the potential to improve without giving the same to Jogo. Sure, Gojo is much more LIKELY to improve, but we haven't seen Jogo be put in a situation where his only win condition is to improve mid-fight. I guess my point is we know what teen Gojo can become when put under the pressure to evolve or awaken, but we haven't seen Jogo improve at all really (that I'm aware of, i'm pretty behind in the manga but i have a general idea of the plot so far) so we can't know how he would scale if he did improve as drastically as Gojo did.
@@Greninja9001We know he learned Domain Amplification after losing once to Gojo's domain
@@prez.cookie980 What? No, he and the rest of the disaster curses were taught (likely by Kenjaku) domain amplification in preparation for the Shibuya incident. It's not implied or stated anywhere that Jogo learnt it on his own.
@@Greninja9001 He didn't learn it on his own, but he still learned it
@@prez.cookie980 ...right, so that doesn't mean anything in this conversation then.
Can you do a next one on adult Geto vs Toji
Hello man
I need a clip of 2:46-2:50 without the commentary. That had me dying
the fact that this was up for debate is crazy. When i saw the title, I thought gojo stomped, however since this video is talking about gojo lacking red, purple, and de, it isnt a fair fight. Of course Jogo has to win at that point. Gojo post awakening however, murder stomps Jogo 0 diff.
Immediately post Awakening it becomes slightly more even cuz he can use red and hollow purple but…still no domain and limitless still isn’t automatic so he can still be blitzed so he still dies once the domains come out it’s unknown if he knows simple domain at this time.However if you go with the year of training he has after yes he wins
@@Grave264 they would be relative in speed considering jogo at best is around 4-6 finger sukuna(in terms of speed), and if we're saying toji is at 3 finger level, and a 3-day heavily fatigued post awakening gojo reacted to toji with ease. Therefore, a fully rested and full power gojo would definitely be upped a couple of fingers. Hollow purple 1 shots, and after mutilating him with blue all he would have to do is shoot out a hollow purple, which would then end the fight.
The only way jogo would win is if he catches gojo in a domain but that wouldnt happen because gojo isnt stupid enough to allow himself to enter someone's domain who he KNOWS can harm him (through the use of the six eyes) and potentially put him out of commission. Jogo would also have to 1 shot him considering post awakening gojo has reversed cursed technique (which gojo can use indefinitely using the six eyes)
@@daikonblack5604 I think even if hes caught in a domain he can just use purple and kill the user and destroy the domain
Gojo is apart of one of the strongest three clans which share a special technique that disables the sure hit affect of domains so he still has a chance even if Jogo activates domain expansion
so im thinking of making videos like this can u give me tips and a app to edit on btw im on pc
Toji vs Choso would be kinda interesting
Ma boi teen gojo had no domain expansion n could only use infinity n blue💀
Edit: to be fair I always put Toji, current Maki n Jogo at around the same speed, a bit slower than Naobito n solidly slower than Naoya, tho now dat i think of it, how fast r characters like Kashimo, Yuji or Yuuta compared to them?
I think that characters like naobito and naoya are still above most of the rest of the cast in speed, seeing as that's there main gimmick and Gege goes out of his way to indicate how fast they are(like naoya getting stated by narration to reach subsonic speeds against maki or naobito stated to be the second fastest sorcerer alive). Naobito was even faster than naoya but we never really got to see it because naobito died so quick and in his only fight, he was stated to be limited by the lack of space underground. I don't think naobito or naoya beat people like kashimo or Yuta, but they are probably faster at least(like naoya was faster than maki but still lost).
I don’t know, it seems like they said Jogo would win against Hanami simply because he uses fire against a plant-user. This would imply that they are roughly equals, or by counting their durability feats, say Hanami is stronger (at least when they are fighting someone else who’s comparing the two).
Jogo is significantly faster and hits harder then hanami, but has poor durability in respect to hanami, or even mahito.
In a fight, discounting elemental abilities, Jojo should still win based on what we see. Unless you think hanami has a maximum technique or a de on par with jogo. Shame that we never saw it.
As the strongest curse, jogoat.
Fought the fraud, the strongest sorcerer, jogo began to open his domain. Gojo shrunk back in fear, then jogoat said: "stand proud gojo, you are strong!"
You had me at Krakatoa
“No real difficulty” but the only way he’s winning is by opening his DE.
Yea, he'll win without taking any damage or any danger to himself. Not really a difficult fight to me
I mean the domains only necessary because of limitless if Gojo doesn’t put it up he gets man handled
@@BrokenRonin I doubt Gojo wouldn’t damage him. Teen Gojo vs Toji was a good fight but Toji had tons of prep time and already knew of his abilities. He did his best to make Gojo let his guard down before stabbing him. So basically, that entire “fight” happened with Gojo weakened a lot already. And it’s pretty much the only fight he had to show a little bit of what he could do. The previous ones weren’t even a contest for him. So I do think he’ll be able to damage Jogo.
And you did make a big deal about Jogo’s maximum technique being able to damage 15 fingers Sukuna. But it doesn’t really matter when it comes to this fight because of the neutral state of infinity.
Since Gojo knows he can’t use DE yet, he’d probably not mess around as much as he did. Seeing the massive curse energy reserves of Jogo, he’d go for the kill as soon as he could.
If we’re going on the basis that Jogo doesn’t know anything about Gojo’s abilities, he’ll be flabbergasted after not being able to land the first blows against Gojo and he’d (Gojo) advantage of that fact.
@@davidjames0 😂😂
@@davidjames0 Did you not pay attention? Ronin brought up Maximum Meteor to establish his peak damage output in order to get an idea on how strong his strongest technique/Domain Expansion is. He literally said nothing but DE would work on teen Gojo 🤦
Man this changed a lot tbh especially because we know now that teen Gojo should have fallen blossom
Yeah, the most important thing about this video is that ironically it was uploaded the same day as the start to the fight of maki and noritoshi vs curse naoya, so yeah the video is evidently outdated
Gojo learned simple domain and falling blossom when he was a child is the icing on the cake for this. I never understood how ya'll thought Jogo would even get through infinity. He has no way to wear Gojo down for days before implementing the use of a cursed tool that stops infinity. Jogo gets bodied no dif.
Two words: Domain expansion
Hey I agree BR, Jogo is able to beat a teen Gojo that has been fighting for 3 days straight and is on the verge of passing out.
Yep, he'd be able to beat that teen gojo and a teen gojo who is at full power pre awakening
@@BrokenRonin Na full stamina Gojo slaps Jogo low diff. Jogo isn’t above 3 finger since it’s likely Kenjaku was manipulating Jogo to hype him up. This is supported by Sukana comparing Mahoraga to 3 finger, and being more impressed with Mahoraga than Jogo.
@@explosivegrape Gojo is the one who says Jogo is above 3 finger Sukuna, he has no reason to lie
Sukuna also says that Mahoraga could have beaten him back then, that doesnt mean Jogo couldn't have
So no. Gojo doesnt low diff Jogo with full stamina
@@explosivegrape I'm pretty sure Sukuna didn't compare his 3f self to Mahoraga. If I remember correctrly he said something like "if I had fought this while having 3f, I wouldn't have won"
@@gaetanonclin7205 Maybe was added.
I made a video on this!!! Cool!
I was wondering why the vote was so sided to Teen Gojo, but I shouldn't have been surprised.
Given the choice between logic and favoritism, people don't think twice.
By the way, who wins: Baby Gojo or Naoya Zen'in?
When was the vote ever sides to teen gojo?
@@user-hp5to4vi1y
It was 68% Teen Gojo when I voted. I don't know if it was yesterday or Sunday. I forget.
@@Black_Guy
I know you're joking but naoya gets a w for once💀. Baby gojo shouldn't have the mental capacity to run limitless, and I'm pretty sure CTs only manifest at 4-6 years old, so naoya kills gojo and finally accomplishes his goal of killing a kid(Megumi is next).
No what would post awakening gojo vs jogo
When I mean post awakening I mean immediately after he got packed by toji and awakened
( basically his infinity isnt automatic,no domain expansion and he really just has hollow purple and reverse course technique)
Since teen Gojo can’t use domain expansion he automatically loses.
Simple Domain.
Why not use Awakened Teen Gojo to make it a more interesting fight? Its still Teen Gojo, he would now wield Red, Purple & RCT but wouldn't have access to DE or 24/7 Infinity. That would've been much more contentious
You just want gojo to win
Awakened Teen Gojo's best shot at a victory is by using purple. The attack is quite literally unblockable and it is shown to be fast enough to blitz Toji. However, teen Gojo's purple isn't as massive as the one he uses as an adult. Getting hit by purple doesn't guarantee instant death either(Hanami was able to survive getting grazed by it); Toji only died because he couldn't regenerate. So it's safe to assume that Jogo would lose a huge chunk of his torso but still survive due to his ability to regenerate as a cursed spirit. It all depends on if this version of Gojo can spam purple using his six eyes like his present counterpart.
@@harsh_1910 It’s still debatable
@@thewhoosh5072 Hanami got dropped the moment successfully escaped. Jogo is also going to drop getting hit by Purple
@@harsh_1910 gojo wins even pre awakened
In more recent part of the manga we learned that before Gojo mastered domain expansion, he relied on Falling Blossom Emotion technique to minimise damage only to the outer layer of the skin, so teen Gojo would actually have a very high chance to beat Jogo, but he wouldn’t come out unscathed. It is also possible that teen gojo, while being close to death, would awaken, especially if Jogo underestimates Gojo after seemingly defeating him.
Also I don’t think Jogo is faster than Toji, there is no evidence for that anywhere in the manga.
Oh oh oh teen gojo I just realized I was about to say 😭
You do realize Teen Gojo still has simple dimple domain? Jogo's DE wasn't properly acknowledged, yet I find a win-condition where Teen Gojo just survives Jogo's DE due to simple domain. Overall Awakened one would blitz Jogo cuz he outspeed prime Toji who is massively faster than Jogo in terms of speed and blud could just hollow purple him like he did versus Toji Fushiguro.
The only thing id say about tojis speed is that megumin isnt really a reliable source to measure tojis full speed. With the anime release it was clear that toji even while fighting megumin was REALLY holding back. Example being him standing completely still and letting megumi try to hit him in the warehouse. #2 gege admits in the manga that a healthy naobito would have been able to react to jogos attack. The same naobito that toji could have killed along with the entire zenin clan at ANY TIME. On top of that once maki pulls up on 15 finger sukuna, she arguably performs better than jogo does by actually managing to punch him in the face. So i think its fair to say that theres a lot more concrete evidence that toji would be faster than jogo. But i know tgis vid is a year old so maybe these points have already been considered
I agree with the outcome, but I would not say Jogo is anywhere near Toji in terms of physical stats.
Apologies, I’m awful at writing in the comment section. I respect your videos, but I felt this one was a bit off and missing a lot of context
In the fight against Toji Gojo was exhausted, and was caught off guard by Toji to begin the fight. Toji also had to use curse spirits to block his vision/distract him as soon as they’re were on an even playing field, similar to what Dagon did to Naobito.
This is also 10 years in the past and I’m going to go out on a limb theorize that the Naobito being the fastest sorcerer (beside Gojo) still applies. Not only does Gojo use blue to enhance his speed (which he has access to), but he also able to track and counter Toji when his line of sight was not blocked. Doing this mind you while EXHAUSTED! This is why when Toji was asked the question who would win he didn’t really know.
Speed:
Toji > Naobito, Naobito (healthy) stated to be faster than Jojo.
Gojo >Naobito >Jogo
Gojo considered the strongest along with Geto, and I would assume this is also referencing speed when talking about Gojo, since Gojo does have access to blue.
Also even though it does tax him to use infinity/blue, he was still able to do so for days!
Lastly, all of Jogos curse techniques are useless expect his domain, and so far in the series you can say Jogo has probably the weakest domain shown (outside maybe the smallpox curse).
Not to mentioned, I don’t think there’s anything that shows Jogo being A. As intelligent as Toji, and B. As tactical. I don’t think him “trapping” Gojo on a highway, is the same as Tojis Batman level planning.
I do think Jogo is severely downplayed, but he hasn’t really shown anything that would give A FRESH GOJO too much trouble. Even at 18 when no red/purple or RCT.
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I still think jogo would win high diff bt jogo would have give his absolute best..same goes for gojo
Is this a joke? If you assume Naobito a decade ago was still 2nd place then you have to assert, like Gojo, that he was slower than his modern self. This version of Naobito has no scaling to Jogo and therefore this entire comment falls apart
@@JohnSmith-hk1fz A younger Naobito would be faster than an old man.
He is not wrong though, Jogo can only fight Gojo in his domain
@@khulmach9662 1. Naobito was still old and 2. Sorcerers tend to get stronger with time. If you assume the old man was still 2nd place then it’s only fair to say he was slower as well. Otherwise you’re just picking and choosing what’s convenient and being biased
@@JohnSmith-hk1fz techniques have a limit and a 10 years younger man will move faster than an older one.
Naobito is not going to be faster from being older, Mei Mei and Gojo stated a person is born with most of their strength decided from birth.
Naobito has to move and his technique turns his movement in 24 frames, a younger aged man will complete this movement faster than an straight geezer.
*bro is flabbergasted*
Broken Ronin let us debate this please. I think you’re severely wrong in many things. I am really sick and tired of seeing your wrong takes. Let’s hop on a zoom or some sort of live stream and debate this. Please take me up on this.
Why are some ppl so sure that Sukuna only gains CE when he eats a finger, im actually curious.
Im asking this because i just don't see 20 fingers Sukuna getting hurt by Jogos meteor.
Cursed energy is durability too
@@Hensley_Jb Yeah i know this, it makes sense to me. Yet some ppl always try to argue that Sukunas physical abilities dont increase as he consumes fingers.
@@kovakedward They do because his curse energy reserves will increase.
jogo=
I feel sooo bad for this actually really strong curse when reading the manga
It´s heavly implied that he can use a domain, as he says that he needs to perfect it after the time skip in the flashback, I find it very hard to believe that he got the domain in a random event during the short TS
He says he needs to perfect his domain an entire YEAR after awakening, not a single thing implies he had a domain before that
@@BrokenRonin I doubt that he awakened his domain in a random encounter during this time
Anyways, Jogo wins as we can’t scale Gojo’s domain properly
Even then Gojo's domain would be inferior because unlike Jogo's, it hasn't been perfected. That's an automatic L in the refinement category
@@thatguy8841 no that’s not true. We saw that Megumi could use his in Dagon’s. It’s just like simple domain.
@@olisanzeribe6391 He held it up for a few minutes, that was all and he was still fatigued. At best you can say Gojo can hold up Jogo's domain but he'd still lose at the end. Jogo doesn't even need to attack, just wait for Gojo to tire himself out. You can't really be arguing a less refined domain would win against a more refined one. Going of the assumption Teen Gojo has a domain in the first place since he didn't use one on Toji
This is entirely true…but there is one thing to consider. Gojo loses no matter what in this situation, any other argument is just cope, but he should have the capability to defend against sure hits. Specifically falling blossom emotion because he’s one of the big three families, or maybe simple domain. It’s not stated when he learns these, but it is shown that he has simple domain, and should be implied that fallen blossom emotion is something he knows. It’s a possibility that he can defend against the sure hits, but he still gets Molly wopped
Do you think jogo can take toji
@@rickojay7536 it’s up in the air, I have reasons I think either could win in a fight against each other.
@@bromous1446 toji without his weapons would be the only close one, which even in that case I highly doubt jogos chances if he fought dagon I don't think the fight would have been as one-sided as it was against toji a mindless one at that. toji with with weapons is a mismatch I'm sorry
And even if it was close how on earth would you think jogo takes it against gojo when toji had to rely on gojo getting distracted to land a single hit and he had to play hide and seek the whole time and specifically avoiding a direct hit or giving gojo a chance to go all out. you're comparing that with the fight where jogo was basically allowed to go all out just to show him how weak he was.
Gojo had to go back to school to get itodori to teach him how domain expansion works inside jogos domain.
I would have agreed with you if I didn't just witness what toji can do and the fact that he was basically made to look like batman in a Batman vs Superman fight is crazy that you even pair gojo up with jogo.
@@rickojay7536 I’m sorry u feel that way, but I don’t see the same things u do when reading those chapters. Bear in mind toji said that he doesn’t know how a battle between him and teen Gojo would go if they just met on the field and fought. His intentions on tiring Gojo and distracting him was to make the fight as one sided as possible. He no diffed teen Gojo when he had prep time. It’s unlikely he would’ve lost without it, or even be mortally damaged at that. Jogo has many advantages in a fight that toji just doesn’t have. Jogo is a one sided stomp on Dagon no matter how u cut it. Outside domain he stomps like Dagon v naobito. And inside, jogo’s domain canonically speaking makes more sense for it to be more refined and win a domain clash between them. Gojo can’t rlly do anything against jogo’s domain. Even with falling blossom emotion or simple domain, Gojo still has his domain amps within his domain. Making him still significantly faster and stronger, and he can punch Gojo when he’s in his domain. Not to mention he can instantly create building destroying volcanos in his fight against adult Gojo, and multiple in his cleanup on naobito. Every attack he throws is enhanced by fire that immediately erupts any human he touches (other than Gojo). He also has the shikigami that use sound, which it isn’t implied that teen gojo could rlly defend against at that point since it’s not automatic and when it does become automatic, he still struggles to stop things like poisons. Yes, sound is not a poison so it’s still up in the air, so if u say that it doesn’t get thru infinity then oh well, he can still do a ton outside of that. Against toji tho, all of his attacks would land assuming they hit. I have reasons to think they do, and I think a fight between Jogo and toji is extreme dif on both sides. No I’m not talking zombie toji, I mean peak from the story perspective, the version that fought teen Gojo.
@@rickojay7536toji gets slammed by jogo 💀
Jogo has been unlucky ngl.. Fighting Sukuna and Gojou.
Jogo wins because of his domain.
What of post awakening Gojou that doesn't have a domain?? The one that beat Toji
I’m just wondering why yogi didn’t go for jogo
Jesus the difference between pre and post awakening gojo is night and day
What if Gojou awakens mid-fight but doesn't YET have his current power, technique, etc? No domain, just the reverse cursed technique, Purple, perhaps some buff.
He would still get negd because of domain
Now can Jogo take on Yuta? Or really any of the Disaster Curses since outputting positive energy is kinda gg for any cursed spirit.
Yeah Yuta probably crushes Jogo. I can see Jogo putting up a decent fight and maybe even winning against Yuta without the ring, but once the ring is on Jogo gets overwhelmed by multiple CTs, Rika, and RCT if Yuta hasn't killed him yet. Even if yutas domain isn't as polished as jogos, he would be able to contest it and get rid of the sure hit, after which Jogo just dies.
Jjk zero yuta should be around geto's levels in terms of strength and speed(pre loved filled rika amp or whatever you wanna call it) and using this it really depends how much stronger you think geto got as he got older because if he's relative to his teenage self who got obliterated by toji but still was able to contend yuta then yuta would get folded like an lawn chair but current yuta could very well be a different story
Jogo just that guy
I’m confused, doesn’t he use both purple and red than later stated by Gojo just a year later he said he needs to refine his domain and teleportation. I assume your saying pre stabbed to death Gojo isn’t capable of red, purple, and domain expansion. Which I’m going to be honest is rather lame. I assumed teen meant his whole backstory arc rather than a portion of it.
Yea I specify exactly which Gojo im talking about the video. Unfortunate that you don't like it
@@BrokenRonin it’s not that I didn’t like the video it would’ve been cooler if you used the Gojo who just awakened after fighting Toji. Although in the beginning I didn’t catch the were going to use “pre awakened” but I would’ve liked to hear your thoughts on it. All your vids come out solid.
i think toji is above the disaster curses but unless gojo can kill jogo with blue or like he did with hanami with his infinity pressure i don't see him winning
I feel like it's a little bit unreasonable to not give Gojo simple domain at the very least, and it is mentioned that he DOES learn falling blossom whatever it is as a kid, so he would have that as well. I also think a lot of his strength weaknesses/durability weaknesses can be negated by cursed energy reinforcement, something that wasn't useful against Toji specifically since his katana ignores physical defenses and goes directly for the soul.
It's also worth noting that Megumi scaled Toji to 3 fingers Sukuna in terms of speed, in the sense that they were both ridiculously faster than him. It's not REALLY a measurement. If somebody was 100 times faster than you, and another person was 1000 times faster than you, you would say they're rivals in speed from your perspective cause to you, they're both inconceivably fast.
In regards to him dismissing the attack in Jogou's Domain as an adult, and whether he could do it as a teen, I have to say that it definitely leans on him being able to. Cursed energy(with exceptions related to emotion) is pretty consistent with a person. And even as a kid, Gojo knew how to lower his cursed energy excess drastically. It's obviously not to the degree he does as an adult: if it were, limitless would be permanent rather than 3 days, but it's still a ridiculous amount.
The main change that Gojo underwent in regards to his enlightenment was figuring out reversed cursed technique, and applying the logic from it to his technique, allowing him to unlock half of his tool set that straight up wasn't there.
Now, with that in mind, do I think Teen Gojo wins? Probably not? Like you said, he really doesn't have a good way to put Jogou down outside of hitting him with a comical amount of cursed energy (which is something he could *probably* do, but there isn't any feat of him doing so as a teen, and even though his adult punches shouldn't be that much stronger, I'm not going to try and quantify the strength of them since it'd be total guesswork), something he could probably eventually do even with the speed difference given his ability to more or less teleport. But Jogou is durable enough to take multiple hits, so this would require an absurd amount of assumption in terms of combat speed. I just felt like this video made the fight a lot more one sided than it is, almost in retaliation to how one sided in the other direction it is on discussion forums rn.
Simple domain would probably not guard him against Jogo's domain's innate heat, also, it only negates the sure-hit, but a large enough projectile will still hit, even if as slow as the meteor, since even without the sure-hit, Gojo is still confined to the domain-barrier, in which coffin of the iron mmountain easily gets covered entriely by maximum meteor. Then again, Gojo did not only get cut by easily by the soul splitter, but also by a small, unnamed knife of Toji, as well as ISOH, even though none of those are stated to work around physical durability or CE-enhancement. (ISOH is stated to shut off an activated technique, not erase cursed energy.) Even more important, that rock that Jogo sent at Gojo was a means of gauging the latter's ability without infinity, if I remember correctly (certainly would make sense, since there is no reason for jogo to have made such a comparably weak move on Gojo, if even before his domain and the subsequent enhancement, he already demonstrated more destructive attacks.) In the end I just want to say that I don't even know if teen-gojo has any tool at all to deal with Jogo effectively. Most importantly; if we take the Jogo after his first fight with Gojo, then that version knows domain amplification, which would just give him a win-con, by bypassing the infinity without expanding a domain.
Whats the background music
Honestly this changed tbh cause we know that Teen Gojo has falling emotion now so idk know
toji vs jogo?
what about gojos domain even if its incomplete he can still use it to make a hole and leave as how megumi did with dagan ... ?
but i do mostly agree gojo dosnt really have a win condition in this fight
@@idksomem8 he doesn't have a domain in his teens
Unrelated but, I doubt yuji will even be top ten by end of series. Sad to say cos He’s my favourite character
lol hes already top 15 wym not to mention him getting techniques later on
With the Revelation of Gojo having both Simple Domain and Falling Blossom emotion i think the outcome of this battle could likely shift back into his favor considering he can Negate the one thing Jogo has to harm him.
Not negate, mitigate. Both are limited, and honestly we've never seen someone without a domain beat someone with a domain in a 1v1
@@prez.cookie980you’re right we haven’t seen that, but in this hypothetical scenario it’s gojo tho, so it’s not far fetched at all to say that gojo without a domain and anti domains would be able to beat someone with a domain
@@farsous10 I would disagree. The character would need obscurely strong defenses to tank damage from most domains, and several disregard durability altogether. I don't care if you take post prison realm Gojo, buff his CE by 200%, and give him 5 black flash amps. If he gets caught in Naoya's domain without anti-domain effects, he will die. That's simply the incredible advantage of a domain expansion. I highly, highly doubt that teen Gojo can survive Coffin of the Iron Mountain on durability alone.
@@prez.cookie980 I mistyped what I wrote earlier my bad, what I meant to say that teen gojo did have anti domain abilities while not having a domain expansion. So even tho he doesn’t have his own domain for insta win, I can easily see a possibility that simple domain/falling blossom emotion would be enough to beat jogo even while not having your own domain
Jogo didn't kill them, cause plot. He didn't not kill them cause he couldn't. Of course maki and them didn't die. They are main characters and he would have just took out like a 4th of the main cast in an instant lmao.
So yeah, sometimes characters survive just for the story and it can't be taken as some sort of indication of power.