Tiny Core Linux - Sometimes Size Does Matter
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- čas přidán 2. 07. 2018
- Today I'm taking a look at Tiny Core Linux. The standard Tiny Core has an image size of 16MB. That includes a graphical user interface! Almost no CPU usage and used around 50MB of RAM during this video. For the ultimate minimalist.
Dan Duby, this is for you!
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I feel like reviewing everything in a VM doesn't show real world problems
You have a point. But a good portion of my vids is me running through the installation. Doing the install in a VM certainly makes it easier to record it on video. Checking them out on Live USB keys is an option if I don't want to bother showing the install process. Of course, just installing them on physical hardware would be the best way to review them. I think it's time I invest in something like an Icy Dock and a few extra SSDs once I have the funds.
True but.... It is not bare metal but given the exceptionally high number of hardware configurations out there, at least a VM is consistent. If it works on my VM, there is a very high chance it will work on your VM as well. Not so for hardware. Unless you have the exact same model of the PC he is using (and sometimes not even that counts), your experience may vary. It just gives a rough idea. We all know we have to test on OUR machines to get a real word experience.
Alex Stone yep. It's better to buy a very cheap netbook or run it on any pc you currently have and just test + stresstest everything.
DistroTube have you trying to, like figuring out how to capture monitor via serial port or something...yes it's complex, but at least it's a real environment with real limitations.
@@DistroTubeMaybe also an HDMI recorder or a VGA recorder so you can feed a desktop's output directly into OBS
I would love to see an updated tiny core video, maybe with dwm (it is in the repo).
I still remember booting Damn Small Linux on my first computer, good memories!
From time to time I try Tiny Core, It's fun to see what can be achieved if you really want a minimal, superfast distro but that's about it.
Nice review!
That is pretty cool. It makes me feel a bit nostalgic but I like it. Thanks for the video!
Sometimes Size Does Matter
Hmm... OK, then.
That's what she said.
Kenny Whiddon It's He not *She*
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@@danke5356 this comments a year old but still r/wooosh
@@prajwalgaonkar damn, im old
I wish I had this video 4 years ago when I tried to revive an old IBM Thinkpad with 256K ram. Thanks for another interesting video, Derek!
256K of ram holy balls my computer from the 90's has 64mb of ram, Is that from the 80s?
256MB?
@@johnnycochicken Makes more sense, my windows xp computer has 512mb of Ram he's probably getting things mixed up.
the first thinkpad had 4M of ram
did you mean 256M or do you have a brain dead laptop?
@@pacman10182 I meant 256M.
I've always been attracted to this distro. If it gets the job done quickly for what you want to do than I would give it an A. For it's size, it's a little gem 😀
Thank you. I can install python on it?
I'm sure you can
@@rmcellig thank you. An other questions please 🙏 can i install tailscal on it?
@@baghdadiabdellatif1581 sorry I don't know the answer to that.
Love it! - surprising that some heavy weight packages are in the repos. I have a lot of respect for lean distributions.
By coincidence I installed Puppy Linux to USB3 yesterday - also impressive, blazing fast and even let me install Nvidia drivers onto the USB.
That's my daily driver!
I used to use TinyCore a year ago. Reminds me of old times. A really minimal and nice distro though.
Hello DT! To launch htop from the run program you need to type aterm -e htop.When htop is open you could press F2 or click Setup then go to the uttermost left column named Setup and choose Colors and go to the second column (by using the Tab key) named colors and choose Monochromatic with the down arrow and the space bar and click done or F10. The memory usage would appear in white on black which is easier to read!
Cheers
If I was going to live in Tiny Core, I'd probably just install urxvt (and yes, it's bloated!) :D
Thanks. This would be great on a Raspberry Pi. Maybe to use with Web2Py as a mimimalist self-contained web server/dev enviro. Love the remastering feature too. Very handy for single purpose IoT apps.
Hi DT, It's been a few years since I played with Tiny Core but, as I recall, persistence is an option. I think it requires some fiddling during the install process but I am sure the TC boffin could configure it later. I seem to recall that I set up persistence in a separate partition on the thumb-drive that I was using. Unfortunately I found the documentation to be as minimalist as the OS. I did find the wiki helpful. In the end finding out which drivers I needed (& getting them) got the better of me. I retreated to my 'bloated' 260MB remaster of TahrPup. I have it configured just the way I want & it has been running like a charm for several years now. I have not yet looked at Xenial Puppy... Still getting over the shock & sense of outrage that it is now over 300MB!!! :o
Good review. Thanks, but you should try it on a USB pen drive. That way you would not run into the mouse problem. My experience is the mouse problem is your Virtual Box. Running on real hardware, TC is great. I love it.
I have tried many such linux. One of my favorite is slitaz.
Boy this brings back memories... When live distros were first becoming popular, there was an OS called MenuetOS that fit on a floppy disk. We had fun with that on the computers in school back in the day.
I used TinyCore once. I had a voicemail server that crashed and I couldn't boot from the HD. That server only had one sata port. Took the failed drive and plugged it into a desktop. Windows couldn't read the EXT4 drive so I put Tiny on a USB. Was able to mount the drive and copy all the data needed to rebuild the server. Super handy. Spun up a new drive and restored all the auto attendant menus and user mailboxes. Then showed that customer how to run a backup so I wouldn't need to do it again lol
Is't this the Distro of choice when size really do matter? Excellent review. This distro is what i thought Arch was when I installed that the first time.
"there used to be a distrobution called damn small linux"
it's still available, just hasn't been updated in years
I've used TC to revive an old HP T5530 Thin Client. I run it from an external hard drive with Core on one partition (using MultibootUSB) and the TCE folder (packages) on another partition. I use another computer to configure the packages and then run them in the Thin Client. Works great.
4.14.53 is the latest lts kernel according to kernel.org. Tiny Core looks like a neat little distro. Think I'll note down remastering Tiny Core into a usable tiny live usb as a future project for myself.
Thanks, Kicksled.
Thank DT, to install on the 16mb version type install in the search box, to get an image in the backgounds, I installed the XFE file manager, and download image, and move it to OPT folder then backgrounds in XFE, then you can use any image you choose. Thanks for the review, and I will give a rare thumbs up and resubscribe.
Wallpapers are easy. I have a bunch of my favorite wallpapers saved in Dropbox.
I realise that Tiny Core isn't for everyone, but I have been using it since V2.0, and I don't need all the bells and whistles of the bigger distro, and as far as updates, you might get 1 or 2 updates every other month, not like Arch where it constantly needs updated. I love it, and it has always worked flawlessly for me.
About persistence: a neat trick when running the ISO is to create a tce folder at the root of any of the available partitions. Tiny core will detect it and persist any extensions you install during your session as well as keep a backup file with configurations and, I believe, anything that's in your home or opt folders when you shutdown or reboot.
Also, have you tried packaging your own extensions. It's super easy and allowed me to install DOSBox, which is not available for the latest version of the distro by default.
I'm sure by now you've probably figured this out, but just in case...the mouse issue is solved by selecting the option of "Mouse Integration". At the bottom right corner of virtual box window is an mouse icon. Right click on that and make sure mouse integration is selected. When it is, and you click inside the window, your mouse is now only captured inside the Virtual Window. The only way out is to hit the Host hot-key. In my case, it is the right-CTRL key. I know this, because it is also printed at the far bottom right corner of the virtual box.
Tiny Core can run on your 16-GB ram which gives a advantage.
Its also small so it's good for breathing life into your Windows 95 computer or
you could run it as a virtual machine!
I'm having fun with it.nice vid ty
Thanks, Jay!
You do pay attention to the live chats! ;)
this reminds me of Windows XP minimalist is an understatement
DT, I have a question, when you did your bling the terminal video, and I said there s no neo fetch in Tiny Core you said to build it from source, can you build from source OBS and Simple Screen Record the same way???
You could build them but there are going to be alot of dependencies to these programs (things like make, cmake, gcc, gcc-c++, alsa, ffmpeg, qt4/5, libgl, libx11, curl, libxrandr, libxinerama, libxcomposite, etc.) . Are those dependencies in the Tiny Core repos? If not, you gotta build those too (and their dependencies if not in the repos). It could take a lot of work getting SSR and OBS up and running in Tiny Core.
Thank, but that would be too much work, and bother for me also.
Might be fun to play with on Raspberry Pi. I might try it! Be good base for a recovery usb
Damn! This distro is awsome!
Where's that guy that said he will unsubscribe cause you didn't upload any tiny core video yet?
I'm right here, and I did resubscribe.
LOL this guy isn't playing, his only 3 liked videos are all TinyCore content from varying channels
Well, like I said in an earlier comment on this video, I would give a rare thumbs up.
@@danduby8416 do you like tiny core lol
@@danduby8416 does it have 32 bit or only 32 bit.. I didn't see it on their website..
Couldn't get this distro to load, but looks fun.
What is a remastering tool? I noticed that you were quite happy when you saw the remastering tool on website so please explain what it is and about it's usage.....
Does it have wine in the repos?
I’m gonna try putting this on the oldest PC still in my house... a Gateway desktop from 2001. Gonna haul it up out of the basement then make a video about how that goes.
Then, I’m gonna try and do light web development with that machine for a week. This is gonna be an interesting experiment.
@Siddhesh Parulekar haven't had the time yet. the computer is still sitting in my basement. Got a lot to do and experimenting with Linux distros is unfortunately down the priority queue a bit.
How'd it go?
You might need to install xinput or xcursor to get mouse working
Is it like slax linux then how can we make permanent changes like slax linux has savechanges and genslaxiso commands so how can we do this in tiny core linux
This weird mouse problem in vbox is something you would face also on a puppylinux install. Makes me think what do they have in common? Maybe the busybox init...Does TinyCore have a useraccount or are you allways root?
Hey DT what's your opinion on SUSE Linux being sold?
It's changed hands a number of times over the years. Seems like they keep putting out a great product though. I have no opinion on the recent sale.
@@DistroTube But you can get opensuse for free.
M8, you should use qemu with KVM to avoid that mouse problem (related to resolution changes). VirtualBox might be faster, but it SUCKS with lower resolutions (won't even stretch to your monitor and will destroy the mouse movement bad, like it did for you).
And can't record a stream? I don't know what is on their repos, but if you didn't know you can use ffmpeg to record sound from the mic and mpv/mplayer to record from the webcam. I don't know any distro who wouldn't have both of those. Using them together they work as good as your recording stream tools.
I have a severely underpowered laptop from 2006 that I never use anymore, but TinyCore Linux might be able to resurrect it!
This would be great to do a full install to a small portable hard drive or a USB stick, especially if you’re a writer who travels a lot.
Checked the website today, 2 years after this video's release, the CorePlus edition has nearly doubled the size with version 11.1, now at 206MB (from 106MB in this video), yet they never changed the text.
it's 160 now, looks like they have stepped up their game
Hi Derek and thanks for the review on the "small distros". As I have mentioned in a previous comment on another video I am interested in such distros especially for a personal project that I have: I stumble on the local craigs list on a HP T5570 (1GHz VIA processor, up to 4GB RAM - as you can see the CPU is the main restriction here) thin client which I bought for about 10$. I am trying to find a linux distro to fit to it and to give it a purpose. My main idea was to make it a small desktop in a small selling point that I have. I need only to be able to browse the net and to use LibreOffice. From my experience so far most of the distros are ok, computer boots up acceptably with most of them, usage of libreoffice is pretty acceptable... the bottleneck is the usage of internet browser: immediatelly when firefox or chromium is started than the CPU is strangled. Htop without any load (as you are presenting it most of the time in your videos) is not relevant at all... when you try to use the computer than is becoming interesting. My findings so far for the thin client is that a full desktop will be very slow, workable but slow... so I am exploring other alternatives: NAS (limited to interface expansions, only one SATA port) and/or test web server.... directly related to the video I would love to see how is the VM reacting when internet browser is open (eventually htop also...). What I have tried so far: WattOS, Debian (minimal DE installs... VMs are a bit to unfriendly for all users or more difficult to customize), bodhi linux, xubuntu, mint. I stuck to Debian with LXDE (i3 and xfce are also installed)... on the other hand is there out there any browser that is not so CPU hungry?
did you give lynx a try? if there is any browser that i would have to set my money on for being light on the cpu its that
Can you install another destop environment on it? Example: Cinnamon
What would they do with a bigger budget?
Great question! Interestingly, I can't find any mention of a way to donate to Tiny Core on their website. Not sure if they accept donations or not.
@@DistroTube FatDog64
Couldn't you install it on pc with monitor attached to capture card?
It what package manager does it use
Amazing little distro..is it still being maintained.?
The mouse issue is to do with mouse integration, go to the menu, under Input, deselect mouse integration
Hi, Can anybody help me how to setup tiny core linux to able SSH connection between two tiny core linux host
so tiny core for a 64Mb sdram machine? i just wonder if i can upgrade it to 4x 64MB and try to browse modern web
I want scripts how to it was build please send the link to download
Where is the tube of Vegemite?
Used it to tar a roof.
I got this badboy to work on an emachine with 64 MB of ram. Good times.
@Deon Denis
What PDF reader do you use?
@Deon Denis i have a dell latitude from 2008 that has 1gb of ram.... im using linux mint xfce but i feel like its a little too much, it takes 2mins to boot but when it finishes its snappy and uses 400mb ram on idle do you think i should go for a lighter distro?
@Deon Denis ah i see so i have to loose some features. but im not someone that needs alot of things i just use a web browser(librewolf) thunderbird libreoffice and some open source games and not much more
@Deon Denis yes thx for your help i dont upgrade everytime a new version is available i just update mostly security ones
@Deon Denis is it xreader? The pdf viewer
I heard there was a CLI version of Tiny core. Is it true? (Maybe I'll just ask google)
Yeah, you can get Core, (CLI) Tiny Core, (GUI) and Core Plus (Multiple GUIs).
Bonfire 57 if you get the CLI, does that mean when you log on, you only get the terminal? would I be able to download everything thru the terminal, including a window manager or desktop environment of my choice?
@@eeyyaakk6801 Yes, tiny core package manger is tce-load : distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/tce.html.
Errata:
1. recordmydesktop has a -gtk UI / wrapper but it doesn't require gtk.
2. at 15:18 I get the impression you might have missed the distinction between OnBoot and OnDemand, which is quite important.
You need to disable vbox mouse integration to the mouse work fine.
19:45 firefox_get_latest is also available so the normal firefox is there too
First time I've actually seen a review, of this distro. Looks pretty good, though I probably wouldn't use it on any of my main machines. It might be good for use on a Raspberry Pi or some sort of handheld device, me thinks!
Do you mean x46 or x64?
Is it necessary To install this on my performance PC?
No but if you have some random Windows XP laptop that's 15 years old and still works yes or if you want to try it out in a virtual machine.
I like the Debian based version of Tiny Core, Dcore; it's become my minimalist Swiss Army Knife distro.
ok this is something i will take a look at. how does it perform compared to tc
I never heard of that. Debian without Craptitude would be worth checking out.. :)
it runs on my Pentium 2 with 256MB ram :-) runs surprisingly well...
Puppy Linux is easier to use and supports those minimum requirements
Dude, you can do anything in this distro, cos you can compile the packages you need yourself. Sure it takes time but it is wrong to say it's impossible! Just install the sources and there you go.
Something like old-scool OS'es like Win 3.1 or OS\2 Warp 3.0
Does it work on ram only
Is it like slax linux then how can we make permanent changes like slax linux has savechanges and genslaxiso commands so how can we do this in tiny core linux
I keep TC on a 1GB thumb drive in my coins bag with Opera and GParted on it, because you never know.
Yes, 1GB. And it still has room.
Does it have password protection?
18:17 ffmpeg?
kudos for this comment. That's the spirit!
2:44 You say you could not get OBS on TinyCore and although I know what you're trying to say (the repo is limited), you can indeed get OBS on tinycore.
First thoughts: OBS is open source, if you have access to git, make and gcc then its quite easy -- clone the repo and run the included linux build script. I cannot imagine any distro that had no fairly simple way of building software on the system.
this reminds me of damnsmalllinux back in the days.
Disable the mouse integration it will fix the mouse pointer issue.
I will wait for Itsy-Bitsy Linux
why do I think that tinycore's interface looks very old?
ZorinOS lite is the best replacement
Because it does look very old.
Me at work: Imported Quality Super Inbred Heavy bone Long coat German Shepherd puppy
me at home:
The only linux distribution I know that's smaller than this is Minimal Linux Live, only amounting to 7MB
Get a capture device. Ask Egee what he uses for his distro reviews and live sessions
There is Mint running background :D
Ignore the man behind the curtain!
If you wanna be a cool dude in tiny core
Use "tce" command to install stuff you need
tiny core looks like the 1985 verson of linux mint LMAO!. I may install this on one of my test machines & check it out.
"because sometimes size does matter"
Does it use systemd?
No systemd is a bloat, iirc it uses either sysv or bsd style init
It uses BusyBox.
But no 32bit, only 64bit, right?
All the standard options appear to be x86 while x86_64 is mentioned in 'Other Ports'.
12 MB? Dang wasn't DSL 40...
watching this in 2021...
that what SHE **SAID**
SECOND! Hahaa, I'm getting closer, I'll be 1st next time!
LinuxTerminal You'll have to beat me there! Lol!
Challenge accepted :D
I feel like you can even install this distro in a calculator.
What happened to Damn Small Linux????
Several years back it became damn dead Linux. :D
LMAO..... :)
Look it up at archiveos.org . Under the DSL entry, the last stable version was in 2008. Tiny Core was developed by same person, if I remember what I read.
Oops! I was wrong about the developer.
Stop using virtual box. Use qemu with the virtual machine manager called virt-manager. You'll find much better performance, better networking, and better support for different architectures.
Ya know. Size DOES matter. Only Tiny (insert guess here) use a damn virtual anything ;-) 😂
>50mb
thats way too much for me, i'm looking for somthing that can run on 16
FreeDOS then? :-)
Free dos is fun
Time to look for used potato pc/notebook installed with this then sell it double price.. :D
Just use Arch
Checkout CloudReady, a Chromium based Linux:
czcams.com/video/w3yoTYCzJOU/video.html
Better you use single board pc to run tinycore .
yeah but try getting it running or get support therefor is likely tough
I like this OS. It's minimal. But it's GUI still sucks.
The g........libs are coming. The g.......libs are coming. 😸
can it Game ^^