Renault Megane E-Tech Plug In Hybrid (2020 PHEV) - If You Plug It In, It Makes Sense!
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- The new Renault Megane Plug In Hybrid (PHEV). Does adding batteries make more sense than the petrol/diesel equivalent? Let's see!
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Whether or not a PHEV makes sense depends entirely on how you use your car. I drive about 25 miles a day normally with occasional long trips. A PHEV could be a ZEV for over 90% of my driving with the engine there for long trips. I do just a few too many longer trips to hire a car once a year when I need long range. I would argue that given battery supplies are not limitless it is better for people like me to buy a PHEV than have a 50 - 70KWhr battery for occasional use. On the other hand my wife who does 200 miles a day regularly has a Kona EV which is ideal for her. People really do need to think about their car use case.
Estates look better than SUVs that's for sure. And make more sense as well.
Unless you need all that extra length all the time, tend to build up more heat , than a hatch
@@williamgoode9114 I like hatchbacks. I drive one. But when you need bigger car you need estate. But unfortunately, marketers were shoveling SUVs down our throat for long enough that everyone and their sister want "compact SUV" instead of sensible estate. And quite often they simply have no advantage over estate what so ever!
@@jur4x true, non of this of course really helps, every manufacturer making a little of everything, the parts inventory goes up and up, bit of an engine there, bit of a motor there, some battery to please the greens, end of the day the all weigh about two tonne, use a vast amount of energy to make, depreciate like mad and reduce global emissions by almost nothing as they take one person to office instead of being at home on zoom.
No mate, humans have not even come close to doing something about the big issues, if we get a covid19 vaccine planes will be back in the air tomorrow and the M25 blocked as usual, meanwhile south america, the lungs of the World is seriously burning.
Did you forget which side you were on when you parked over that puddle? 😉😂
Still anxiously awaiting any type of phev ot ev's for sale here in the New Orleans area. I really enjoy your channel. Stay safe and I hope you have a great day.
Thank you for showing some love to PHEVs. As an owner of one (a PHEV - not this particular model of car), I sometimes feel like we are overlooked.
Supporting Tech and Unoxing channels. Keep up the good work, TRI ;)
would make a great company car. Lots of room in the back for whatever you carry for work and comfortable if you're in it for long periods.
Expect the glovebox on the UK version to be about half the size
Slowly working my way through all your videos and find them informative and interesting. One request is that when looking at the rear storage of the boot area, could you also let us know if the rear seats fold down completely flat or not. Cheers.
Look forward to your next video when you show us when they knock £5000 off list price.
Thanks, good review, as always.The PHEV is a bit of a niche market, if your usage is regular short journeys, and you charge at home, yes it is fantastic, the occasional longer trip, yes peace of mind.Been there and gone full EV now, thanks.
I am so happy about this, I live the current Mégane but the engine options are a little lacking compared to the VAG competition (a good 2.0 diesel), but this is perfect, hopefully will get one used in 2-3 years
The new mg estate full electric seems a much better deal, and a better warranty.
Its Chinese, that gives them a head start
It looks like a terrible car. possibly the MG5 EV most uninspiring car I have seen in a decade or more. The boot on it is actually smaller than the ZS EV as they measure to the ceiling instead of the load cover for marketing purposes. Lane departure warning and other safety tech is missing on this model because it is an older model that hasnt been updated yet. Dont get me wrong im not paying £30k+ for a Megane but Im definitely not buying the MG5 EV even though it was likely my next car right up until unveiling.
Don't think you're saving the world by buying EV, Toyota are no fools, their solution was Prius at the turn of the century, and its now made cheaper across the range, they never went bev and thankfully gave up on fuel cell too, you see loads of gen2 (2005-2009) around, they just keep going and going, (500-700,000 miles) never seen a million yet !
Great large green digital speedo,touch screen audio&climate, CD player, am/FM radio, great heating, great cooling, fold down backseats, two metre load , just saying for a friend.
nah. if you had an option to trade for a faster EV with more distance (by a long way) and drop MG Pilot in the ZS EV many of us would choose it.
besides dont compare it with the ZS compare it with Leaf and Zoe. when they bring in the 5 face-lift with the toys next year, I question if they will be able to do it for the same price point.
the MG5 interior makes the Megane look like bargain basement.
besides if you are a PHEV head, you could get the stunningly well appointed HS PHEV for the same beans as this, with Pilot and an interior that wouldn't shame a Merc.
yes i agree.... if you want an estate the MG electric all the way .... it's faster and cheaper to run and does not pollute and is quieter and more reliable
If you plug it in.... absolutely! I have a phev and got a charge point. I plug it in whenever I am home and it means I only petrol on journeys above 30miles... which aren't that frequent. Sometimes I have to travel 350miles plus all seasons at short notice with no stops so for that the EVs aren't QUITE there yet. Next car will be a full EV but the phev works for now.
Great video as always, we purchased a Mercedes A250e Hybrid so far have driven over 3000 miles purely on electric and regularly get over 40miles before the engine kicks in. I still have half a tank of fuel from Mercedes they are a good step towards full ev
Well said - nice to hear a realistic, non EV - obsessive voice of reason....!!
But all the faff of micro managing a small hybrid battery, and all the expense of maintenance of a combustion engine, all the weight of batter and combustion. A full electric would, be less faff, less maintenance.
Nice enough looking car, but agree that it's a bit too expensive for what it is.
Nice to see an estate, being Renault don't expect to see the sporty seats, sunroof or glovebox in the UK version. UK top spec Zoe is same as European mid spec Zoe.
Similar alternative but 2nd hand - a three year old Passat GTE Advance (PHEV) estate costs about £23-24k from a main dealer.
I had a golf GTE advance and loved it. Got a golf R at the moment and leave it a few years as I want a full ev so just enjoying a ice car for probably the last time and see where the ev prices are in a few years.
I would hope that your 20/25 range is a bit low. My very heavy Volvo phev will do 22 on a winters day with a 9kwh battery, and 26 on a normal (!) day. Even if the renault 9 becomes 8, you'd only have to get 3mpkwh and that would be 24 ?
No worries, Renault said this year they'll launch a full EV new Megane. Decent specs announced as well.
Good idea, shame the UK can't have the RS-Line spec with 18" wheels yet, just Iconic spec with 16" wheels. No sunroof for the UK either :(
Considering the Ampera came out in 2012 for mid 30K with 40 miles of range from 10Kwh usable battery, you have to ask why are PHEVs coming out in 2020 for the same price and lower range? Battery prices have come down substantially since then. PHEVs are a great gateway into EV driving though as long as you charge them. I would now go full EV after owning the Ampera.
Does that battery range cover the average UK daily commute? Feels like that'd come up a bit short. Might be better if it was 15kWh perhaps to get to cover the average daily drive on battery all the time - a better compromise that way rather than using petrol every day?
50km of ev mode range at no more than 135km/h
thulani dlamini Out of a 10kWh battery? Believe it when I see it.
Does the odometer tell you how many miles in EV the car has done? , because when I sell it at 50k miles etc normally that's what the engine would have done ,
Is it the case, as was with my short owned Kia Niro PHEV, that in order to have cabin heat it can only comply by switching on the petrol engine, which meant that in my case in winter meant that it was on most of the time, defeating the aim I had of driving on EV mode all the time on my less than 35 mile journeys. Not to mention no rapid charging so charging at only 3.6kw took 2.5 hours to get 35 miles charge. No good for slightly longer journeys
I know the WLTP rating and marketing creates unrealistic expectations, but if you went into the purchase prepared you’d buy a hybrid you’d see it does very well for what it’s designed for. If your car was sold to a owner that doesn’t charge the Niro PHEV it would still almost match consumption to a Niro HEV (+0.5 ish L/100km?). But if the next owner charge the car regularly it could do half the consumption of the Niro HEV in real life usage. I wish the car could be forced into pure EV for the shortest commutes in winter, but that would’ve probably come at an additional cost in purchase price (electric heating), and it could likely hurt the longevity of the engine if it gets put under sudden load while still cold, and I guess the three existing drive modes might be enough for average drivers (EV, Hybrid, Sport).
The glovebox will not be that big on the right hand drive version, unfortunately.
I'm looking forward to an EVM MG 5 review! Bought an ampera (range extended EV) last year which was a bargain. I'd have preferred a full electric but only a 24kwh leaf was in my price range, couldn't stomach 3 charging stops on route to the in laws.
“I’d always go for top spec option” you say but when you had your 30kw leaf used to say don’t waste money buying a Tekna and buy the Accenta as the top spec was a waste of miney
It didn’t offer anything over the Acenta tbh. It’s not a hard fast rule but worth my Mini for example. The Cooper S is def better than the Cooper and looks different and has unique non optional features.
On the MPG front - I had a 2014 Clio diesel that claimed it could do 88mpg on a motorway. Only time I managed it was on the motorway, air con off, tyres at 40psi and behind a truck with the cruise control on. No idea how they come up with these figures but they're just not accurate at all.
I,ve a clio 1.5d 2003 that does between 65-80 mpg depends on speed,gear change and road etc etc
I watched in 0,75x speed mode thank you normally I prefer 1.25 in my native language
I wonder what servicing costs will be for an electric car and ICE fluids etc. on top.
Did you know it was an electric waterpump, aircon pump and that it's clutchless?
The electric parts (like BEV) have almost no service costs, so generally it is the same as a ICE car to service. The only extra costs I can think off the top of my head..
1) 12V battery can be a bit of a problem if it goes flat as all the EV parts need this to be active, you cannot just disconnect it so it is not a DIY job. So it is really a dealer option when this goes dead. 5-8 years.
2) Battery Coolant - maybe 5-6 years change
3) Battery - may 8-15 years depending on the design. I have a audi A3 etron PHEV that is 6 years old and the battery does not have been degraded at all.
Tom55data PHEVs are actually cheaper to service. I’m still on my original 12V battery on my 2014 Outlander, tyres lasted 75,000K and there was still another 10,000 in the rear set even though it’s a heavier car, brakes are less wear and tear.
Just achieved 3000 km on my Captur (which shares the same engine) and I still have 1/4 of the full tank of fuel I filled the day I got it. My daily commute is less than 20 km, so this is perfect for me. But there's no way I'd be buying a pure EV.
Did I hear at 11:36 a 2 speed transmission for the electric motor or is that just sound editing? As others have said, its a shame they don't do PHEVs with 40 or 50 miles range.
Take a look at the Honda Clarity PHEV with 47 miles of EV range.
@@jdonalds2001 is that in the UK?
@@flyer152 california
Mercedes A250e regularly 40miles pure electric and only cost £600 more than the equivalent diesel model probably saved that already
Another good vlog again,because public charging is getting better why would anyone get a hybrid just to lug about a ice with the weigh thereby reducing the range in the battery can't really see the point of hybrids,ARE THEY STILL SELF CHARGING!!!!
Can it tow
Could you get your hands on a Corsa-e ? I'm thinking of buying one
All of CZcams says the e208 is better. It’s looks nicer too, get that.
@@anothertesla7284 In France the Opel is cheaper
Biggest problem with PHEV: The "H".
You still need to run the engine even if you run only on battery. People will fill up the tank and the fuel will degrade with time and will cause problems. You still need oil change every 6 months and a visit to your dealer.
It is a massive car, I'll give you that but why would you need that in the city center everyday? Would it be better have a very tiny car to go there and a mammoth at home to travel or camping? Most buyers already have one so it would make more sense to get the tiny car to commute. As you said: A tough sell.
Having owned one for over 2 years I can honestly say everything you've written is complete nonsense.
Have you ever owned a car, or are you just daft ?
Why do you oil change every 6 months?
Well this car has full ev mode for 50km-65km driven at no more than 135km/h
@@stevenlawrie7819 If this is the case I suspect its because of the loads the engine is put under when cold. I'd imagine for some people the engine won't get to operating temp too often.
I’d be interested in what the mpg is AFTER the battery is exhausted. I suspect it will be lousy.
I don’t think so. I have an Outlander PHEV and it beats the petrol version easily even in hybrid mode.
i get 0.55L at 120 kmh on highway and 0.40 - 0,45 in city. the Regeneration is impressiv and do wunders for the refinement of the hybrid drivetrain experience even after the battery load is out
its a v nice looking car, I really like Renault, but as you mentioned its not worth the price compared to the diesal version so whats the point of this model?
The idea is will be cheap to drive 🚗. And after years wen you will want to sell it. The car will keep better price because is Hibrid .
At £30k its competing with better brands even its ok at what it does. Probably a better value proposition once second hand prices match the quality and desirability.
Considering this has a 10kwh battery it only manages max 30 miles on electric. Compared to a 30 kWh leaf for example that will do up to 150 (Nissan's figures). Why are these so inefficient?
Having to lug the engine and fuel around won't do anything for battery only range.
Does anyone on earth know the towing specs for this version yet? I've asked Renault and two dealers but no info.
Captur is 750kg. Don’t know about this.
It's a Golf GTE for me next! I would save for an e-Golf but not enough range and I can't charge at home. There's a free (at the moment) charger a few hundred yards from me, so I can charge it there twice a week for free commuting!
I could rapid charge an e-Golf, but all my locals are at least 30p kwh plus a £1 connection - rubbish!
And, of course, its a Golf!
But, mostly, they're available from £10k at the moment and that's just about all I can afford!
"the wrond side of the car" dude if 80% of the world use the other side i would rethink that commet XD
The majority of the US voted a moron in office!
Majority doesn’t mean they’re right! 😁
I Know the Megane 4 is good car.
But the Renault Talisman the top car will not be available for United Kingdom 😢.
In Europe 🇪🇺 the price is 45.500€ Full options.
AND I KNOW THEY GONE LUNCH Renault Arkana but I'm not sure will be available for UK.
when you opened and said "sunroof is not getting - " i thought would follow with "used too much here in yorkshire"
but 10 kwh for 30 miles so 3 miles a kwh.
That I now have got my electric car and i only have 1 car. I would not buy a hybrid
the down side for hybrids is petrol prices going up every year then still have road tax. and still petrol servicing and parts costs on the electric car you dont have
for price you may as well go for a £36k car like e niro. the added cost each year for the petrol car would cover the added ev payments for a loan.
at the end you look puzzled ???? with them beeps.
Er, you do know that electricity prices go up as well don't you?
..and my road tax is £20/year.....!
And how many more times?! In many areas the charging infrastructure is intermittent and unreliable! Some people NEED reliability and don't want to f*** about with journey planning and faulty charger backup planning. And some people need to make long journeys without having to factor in charging breaks etc etc.
Stop being so EV obsessive - a large majority of car owners still CURRENTLY don't want an EV. These cars supply a market now!
Interesting your idea that you get your money back on reselling a top spec car! I always made the opposite assumption and bought the lowest spec I could live with on the assumption that the toys have no real value on resale...
Options typically don’t but trim level can.
Almost ten seconds does seem a while to 60, what was it with engine as well
Why oh why do these car manufacturers keep giving boot dimensions in litres? I don't normally carry a load of loose liquid in the back! Let's have length, width and height - please! So we can understand what will and will not fit in!
Nobody will ever sell me a Frankencar. Even at half the price. Full EV has a premium purchase price, but they do have Road Tax and lower servicing cost advantages. Think about it; if you buy a hybrid, you have the common fossil fuelled engine faults and regular servicing necessities, such as oil and water levels, spark plugs, filters and more, to consider, in addition to anything which might fail in the electric drive. Then you have two 'fuel' systems to top up regularly. Why buy something which has two sets of propulsion requirements to cater for? It makes no sense, even to someone who does not have any chance of obtaining a home wall charger, and who would have to rely upon public charging for most of the time.
Thanks for the review, EVM.
The Toyota hybrids have been going for while now and 'double maintenance' issues as the electrix motor part hardly needs any maintenance. In this transition period where not enough electric charging but still plenty of gas stations, hybrid seems the right combination for short distance on electric, and petrol / electric, when you take a longer trip to visit Grandma or hit the seaside.
Great Review however the car makes no financial sense what so ever
Megane Starts from £17,000 to pay £32,000 you will not get £15,000 pounds back regardless
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It only costs around £2 in fuel to achieve around 20 miles plus
If do a Long Motorway Driving it can actually cause worse MPG duo the Batteries and EV dead weight
In Oz, 'RS' means ratshit... :-) (as in kaput!)
"A bit ad hoc"
As opposed to your usual 'professional' 'polished' output ???
Exactly.
You say it will hold the value, but if at the 5 year mark when the warranty goes out, you need to change the doubleclutch, the belts and replace the battery for an obscene amount of pounds, because after being discharged to 0 daily, battery is useless. How much do you think is someone willing to buy it from you for? I'd recon a non-hybrid will sell better than an unserviced plug-in at a 5 year mark.
Why wouldn’t you service it?
The battery has an 8 year warranty, that’s when the warranty runs out, not when the battery needs replacing.
What do you do with a petrol version when the same warranty expires?
The battery systems on cars are designed so the their nominal "zero" is actually 5-10% and their nominal 100% is actually 90-95%, so they are never fully charged or fully discharged. That is one of the ways in which they are designed to last. If they warranty it for 8 years you can be sure they have designed in enough margin to ensure that very few fail in that 8 years, so most of those batteries will outlast the 8 years by a considerable margin. I would expect the batteries to last 15-20 years, but only time will tell.
You or I don't discharge our electric cars to 0 and don't charge them to 100 to prolong the life of the battery and hope to keep the autonomy as long as possible. But this Megan battery just like the VW Jetta before it, run them from 100 to 0. I wonder weather that 8 year warranty for the battery is with 80% autonomy like out electric cars have or if the criteria is lower.
By my experience, with an ICE car, just before it reaches the clutch and belts time, their numbers all fill up on the auction sites to shift the expense to someone else, who then repairs it at a more dodgy independent shop with aftermarket parts taking the hit in resale value. So by extension I see the plug-in to be the same but with a much bigger price tag of incoming expense for the necessary replacement of battery and as such, be lower resale, because it's a much more expensive part.
@@Alex-qx7jn You are ignoring the point that the system simply does not allow you to run it down to a genuine zero, e.g. the Honda E has 28kwH usable capacity, but the real capacity is 35kwH, you just can't use the top and bottom 10% to minimisethe degradation. Even if you ran it to the point where it stops, there would still be a 10% charge in the battery.
@@neilyoungman9814 neither does my electric car. But no electric car owner runs it to the "logical" 0%, so I am actually taking in consideration the fact that the car doesn't allow you to discharge it into a breakable state.
A lot of 'chrome' trim.
Am I the only one who hates 'chrome' trim. If they changed all those chrome bits for black it would look more 'aggressive' and cool. IMO.
Thats an old get Volvo V60 that has learned to speak French
The old V40 and S40 were based on a Laguna, the 50's are based on the focus and offer basically half the legroom
Be careful driving a foreign plated car in the UK on a UK licence mate, I believe it's an offence and may even be endorsable (though that I'm not 100% on)
no.
you didn't talk about the clutchless engine, that it always takes off with electricity and gas engine starts only when it can reach 2.500 rpm, no consumption no nothing... thumbs down
Szabolcs Fejér It’s a review, not a technical manual. And as an expert you’ll know that the renault tech talk came after the test drives.
Oh and that most PHEVs can set off on battery only so hardly a USP.
IMHO I think PHEV are the worst, as they are expensive and come with all the ICE car negatives like buying petrol and maintenance. Just go full EV to get all the benefits... I can understand that fosil car makers are clutching at straws to keep their business going but this is the wrong direction...