Can the Toro SnowMaster Electric Handle Wet Snow and Ice?
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- čas přidán 22. 07. 2024
- The SnowMaster is a fast and lightweight snowblower. This was a tough snow for the SnowMaster to handle. The snow was wet and there was a layer of ice underneath. Check out how well it worked.
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I really like what Toro did with this snowblower, keeping everything identical to the gas version but replacing the engine with the electric power unit. This will surely make repairs much, much simpler, the power unit can probably be replaced with a new one very easily.
It's both good and bad. It's good in that the blower is really easy to service and parts won't be a problem. It's bad in that you are on the clock the instant you turn it on whether you are blowing snow or not. An EGO for example is only running when you are actively blowing snow like Dyson.
I waffled between this and the EGO, Toro has a good blower but not so great batteries; EGO has great batteries but a not so great blower. I decided that I'd rather have the good blower since in the long run batteries are a consumable anyway, and hopefully they will get better by the time I need a new set.
Why do you say the Toro batteries aren't good? I have Toro 5, 6, 7.5 and 10ah batteries and haven't had an issue yet. If anything, I see the Ego guys on Reddit always complaining about their batteries lighting up red and dying sooner than they expected them to.
I have 2 toro batteries. My whole driveway takes 1 bar on one 1 battery@@marksironi3324
Your neighbors must love you! I absolutley love my Ariens Deluxe 28 SHO that you reviewed a few yers ago. One of my best all-time purchases.
It's like a second Christmas!!Thanks for another awesome video Paul! I'd love to be your neighbor, always waiting on what you'll pull out in the yard next! Keep up the awesome work!! Also, still loving my 60v 24" 2 stage Toro, purchased after your extensive walkthrough videos last year! Thank you again!
A few years ago I bought the toro 928 because of the videos you made. I'll never sell it. The best thing is no matter how wet and sloppy the snow is it never clogs. Thanks for helping me out!
That's a good machine. I had my eye on a 928 the past few years but they discontinued it. Went with an Ariens Platinum 24 instead and have not been disappointed so far.
Thank You as always Paul, your videos sre EXCELLENT 👍
I bought the e26 last December and also picked up a 3rd battery, a 10 ah. Power isn't a problem, we've had 2 wet slushy storms so far and it throws the snow fine, even when it's half water. Run time is the problem. 2x 7.5 + 1x 10 was barely enough to get through around a foot of wet snow, plus what the plow dumped at the end of the driveway.
My driveway is small, 5 spaces total, but I have to clear out the mail box area plus space for trash so I have a good 40' at the front of the house that needs to be cleared of plow poop. Plus I clear a path all around the house so I can use the roof rake to clear off the bottom of the roof to prevent ice dams. The three batteries were on fumes after I did this.
Long term I will probably need a second 10 ah. That would let me run 2 x 7.5, when they go dead swap in the 10's and let the 7.5's charge, when those go dead put the partially charged 7.5's back in. That I suspect would get me through most anything.
A second minor but annoying problem is that the torque you get really drops once the batteries hit 2 bars, so for half the life of those batteries the blower really chugs clearing the plow snow.
I suspected all this going in so I'm not mad just mildly disappointed. I also suspect you will see this blower packaged with 2x 10 batteries next year for $2100.
One other complaint, the gearing is really wonky, it feels like there should be a gear between first and second. There have been times where first gear is too slow but second is too fast.
The pros, no gas motor to maintain and the unit is super quiet. My wife works at a bakery and can be out at 4:30am clearing snow, I'm sure the neighbors appreciate how quiet this is vs our old gas blower.
Comparing this to other electrics, I think the EGO unit is worse but the batteries are better. I don't think Toro batteries auto discharge down to half capacity for storage like EGO batteries do. And from what I've read the EGO batteries last longer, they do have a 5 year warranty vs. Toro's 3. But time will tell there. However the Toro blower itself is built to be maintained whereas the Ego is not (go look at what you have to do if you get something jammed in the impeller and it burns out the motor).
@@marksironi3324jammed in which one ? The ego or toro?
He was talking about the EGO. The Toro snowblower will slip the belts if something gets jammed in it.
I bought and just returned the 24” 2 stage model because even with the limited snow we’ve had so far this winter north of Toronto I was just finishing my driveway with only one bar left on 2 7.5 amp hour batteries.
At $2110 at Home Depot I was not impressed.
Now if it came with the 10 amp hour batteries (I didn’t know they existed) I might still have it.
Sure I could have bought a 3rd battery but at $500 for a battery alone it is way more expensive than a more powerful gas 2 stage.
Unfortunately the 28” Cub Cadet I bought instead was defective and wouldn’t start but that’s a different story.
They cost less at a dealer
well, i have to have a gas blower, due to the amt of snow that I get at times.
I do have a toro gas 2 stage and it is good. This electric blower is good for
I would assume less than 6, if it is a heavier weight snow.
Thank you for making this video as I have been wondering about how this single stage self-propelled machine will perform. I am a consumer who does not believe in brand name loyalty and does watch a lot of tool reviews, a small appliance & IT certified technician who "currently" does not own any Toro tools. I buy what works well and reliable regardless of where they are build or assembled as equipment are build by the integrity of the individual, not the country or corporate names .
For what I have seen so far Toro makes great belt driven gas and battery snow blower. Toro's battery single stage snow blower seems to be quiet, powerful with good battery efficiency and this unit seems to be no exception. Based on the video showing and the five different single & 2 stage battery snow blowers I have had owned so far, looks like there are two improvements that can be applied to this unit: 1. The lack of weight in the front part of the machine which causes the front auger housing to lift and flow above the snow so adding drift cutter or extra weight on the auger housing will decrease the front lift. 2. The implementation of the Personal Pace that cause the wheels to spin too fast and further increase the chance for the the light weight front auger housing to lift. For this machine, I think the traditional constant speed selector may work better for snow blowing vs grass cutting task.
Few days ago I blow through 12,000 sq. ft. of 8"~10" rain mixed heavy wet snow plus submerged it into 1ft of brown road salt slush with wet snow left by the snow plow at an intersection with my "whining" non-belt driven direct drive gear box 28" snow blower with a set of two 12.0Ah batteries to clear the path where I usually walk the dog around the neighborhood and it had never clogged once at the lowest drive and auger speed unlike the other 21" single stage (Toro builds more powerful & efficient single stage battery unit for sure) and 24" 2-stage battery snow blowers I had owned before. These battery machines are just getting batter and better year after year. Thank you again for this review and I look forward to the future review on this unit as well.
Yes, the SnowMaster is unique. People who own Personal Pace Mowers love it. People who don't have experience with Personal Pace usually don't. I have hundreds of owners who feel 2-stage snowblowers are too cumbersome also love it.
I have another driveway that doesn't have ice on it and the next time it snows I demo it on that one.
@@PaulSikkema thanks for the reply and I look forward to the new demo.
Hey Paul How you doing
That model Snow Master sold with gas engine but some people who purchased didn’t like it and said they should’ve gotten a regular 2 stage. I personally liked it because it’s self propelled and has rubber paddles on augers. I think it makes a good being lighter weight snowblower with the battery setup. Plus it’s easy to handle and store. I like it but would rather stick to a gas engine 2 stage model
Hi Paul. Watched your video of installing bagger on Ariens IKON. Could you provide what part number the bagger is? I have a 2021 IKON XD 42" and having difficulty finding the correct bagger. Really liked your video and appreciate the help!!
This bagger for the IKON won't fit on the older IKON XD. The frame mounts are different.
I went looking for the part number you need and the Internet only shows the powered version of the bagger for your mower. You will have to go to your Ariens dealer to get the right model number.
Very interesting video. Can you estimate how many cc gas motor equivalent to this Toro electric machine?
223-250 7-8 hp
Hi Paul I live in kapuskasing I have a Ariens 2019 414cc Platinum SHO love it ( ty Ron
Welcome!
If you could have room to only have one parked in your garage, ( 60v Snowmaster or the 60v e26) which would you pick? Typical Minnesota suburb with an 8 car driveway cut into a small hill. I can only blow snow in one direction and that has a pretty steep 5' rise. The old Toro 210R can handle about 60% of the snowfalls, but the buildup by midwinter on that hill, it can no longer make it up that far so I end up using a scoop shovel for the clean up including the snow plow mess, which it has never done well. Try as I might to kill that old Toro, it just keeps plugging along, but I head out to work at 5:30am and usually reduced to shoveling at least a drive path so I don't wake the neighbors with the Toro. Been waiting to see someone test the snowmaster out on a driveway after a fresh snowfall, not sure if that is going to happen this year, suppose to be close to 50 degrees here on Feb. 01.
For your area I would go with the e26.
The SnowMaster is a lightweight snowblower and it will not do well on your hill. It won't have the traction to always go up it and the Personal Pace "freewheels" when going downhill so you would have to hold it back going downhill.
Worked better than my 5.5 horse power gas snow thower
I have the 2022 model. When we got 10 inches of heavy wet snow last week in Boston it was able to handle my moderately sized driveway with ease. The driveway is about 1500 square feet. I have 3 of the 60v 7.5Ah batteries. When I was done each battery had 2 bars left. I was very satisfied with how it performed. I paid $2200 for it in July 2022. I noticed that the 2023 model was reduced in price quite a bit to $1700. It looks like the 2023 model only comes with 1 battery but the larger capacity and they changed some of the design of the handle where it looks not as comfortable to use. Guessing they had to make some modifications to bring the price down as not many people bought the 2022 model for $2200. I'd be nice if you could find the 2022 version and compare them.
I'm not aware there was a 2022 version of this snowmaster. They didn't introduce it until Oct 2023. This is a single stage machine.
Did you buy the e24 2-stage? That fits the pricing you are mentioning. Your e24 has plow handles with levers on each side?
You can see the difference in this other video: czcams.com/video/QYwYvoEryE4/video.html
@@PaulSikkema I have the E26. They look so similar I didn't notice. I bought mine at Home Depot and it looks like they stopped selling this model for some reason. I definitely paid $2200 for it though and I see on Toro's website it's now $1800. So they dropped the price quite a bit.
I don't know what The Home Depot is up to. There are NO Toro 60 volt listed on the site and only last years models in my store. I read Lowes is now going to sell Toro - so maybe THD...
@@PaulSikkema I think these battery Toro don't sell very well. My THD had about 20 each of the E26 and E24 around July 2022. I went and picked one up cause I didn't want to wait and then not be able to get one in the fall. But all the times I've been in there over last winter they still had them piled up in the same location. They're a hard sell at $2200. Especially when they only come with 2 batteries and the extra 3rd battery is another $350 (almost $400 with tax). People will just stick to gas for the time being. You can get a really nice 28 inch gas snowblower for around $1200. I wonder how well these Toro will sell with the price dropped several hundred dollars.
I'm guessing the last time you looked a good 28 inch snowblowers was in 2018? :) A $1200 28 inch snowblower today is a Chinese POS. A good one that will last you years start abouts $1600 now.
How well does it do in 24" snow with a 3-4 ft plow roll.
Past few days getting 75 in of snow it would get its work out
This snowblower is not made for that at ALL! If you want a 24 inch you need an Ariens Great Lakes Edition! It will handle it!
I had the exact gas version of this by Toro and I absolutely hated that Toro Personal Pace push handlebar system.
I hated it so much i sold it immediately.
For the idea of a single stage it just didn't clean well.
The Personal Pace when i pushed it was popping wheelies.
I hope Toro does away with this personal pace.
Whats odd is i thought i would love it, because i have a older John Deer self propelled mower that has John Deers version of that personal pace and it worked great.
But on this Toro, i don't understand why i thought it was awful.
I didn't have a Personal Pace mower when I got my first SnowMaster and it took me a while to figure the Personal Pace out. The secret is: You DON'T push it. You just start walking with your hands on the handle and it stays in front of you.
If you think you have to push it use the steel bar under the Personal Pace handles.
Owners who have a nice smooth blacktop or cement driveway love the SnowMaster. With the suburban houses everyone shows in their ads it's great.
Owners that drive on the snow before they clear it, gravel, or people that don't get out and clean right away don't.
Do you think the single stage Toro E21 would have handled this decently? I’m unsure what to buy…
I think the power-propel version would handle this mess BETTER than the SnowMaster. Toro has three different single stage electrics now - I go through all three of them here: czcams.com/video/QYwYvoEryE4/video.html
@@PaulSikkema Can you elaborate on why the 60V power-propel single stage would handle that snow better than the 60V SnowMaster?
The Power-propel version's rubber paddle touches the ground. This allows it to pull itself forward even with the ice underneath. It will allow dig itself through the heavy wet snow whereas the SnowMaster has to push itself through. Here's a video where I go compare both to each other czcams.com/video/QYwYvoEryE4/video.html
@@PaulSikkemaI had seen on another review that the Toro power propel is NOT self propelled. You actually do have to push it.
After watching your comparison video of the 6 Toro electrics, I was really attracted to the power propel and also the snow master.
I will definitely buy the power shovel because that’s something I definitely want for our walkway, steps, and porch that will definitely help there as well as our deck and patio but I’m looking at other options like the power propel or something because of doing the apron snow and digging out the mailbox.
Toro now has three single stage snow throwers. Go back to that review and look at the front auger. If it's metal it is the one you have to push.
The Power propel has the rubber paddle - and it works great! I talk about the differences in this video: czcams.com/video/QYwYvoEryE4/video.html
Toro for me.....I worked at a toro dealership and I have to say this. Toro is in the middle of quality. Hondas sold better because of how the machines were built. Now the honda will be ending small gas engines in the u.s Toro will be able to capture that market. Let's hope they keep improving and have less built Chinese parts.
I’m a fan of toros single stage blowers personally much more light weight can handle 1’ of snow and they get way closer to the surface.
Maybe adjust your scraper some? I’d also apply some 303 aero spray sold at any auto parts store in the detail isle but apply that in your chute and all over the paddles/area. Keeps snow from sticking help’s actually with getting rid of the snow ! The 303 spray protectant last quite a while b4 needing another coat!
There is no reason to spray these new snowblowers with any type of slick or lube.
Snow-stakes , so find the side walk next year
Haha - I got them sitting right by the door in the garage :)
I'd rather stick with gas. Snow blowers
At least when your locality bans gas Lawn & Garden you'll know which Toro to buy :)
I have a Troy-Bilt right now. What a good machine
Meh. Not very impressive. Seems like you pushed it more through the heavier snow.
I tried to tell you in the video that the snow was so wet that it was pushing in the front of the snowblower in slabs and the ice underneath was also a pain. It's a lightweight, 140 lb, single stage snow thrower. It wasn't the snowblower's fault. That said, I ended up having to get the 440 lb Ariens RapidTrak Pro out to finish the work. Even with that I had to have it in dig-in mode most of the time to overcome the ice under the snow.
@@PaulSikkemaGreat video and I was going to ask you how you thought the RapidTrak would have handled it!
I own the gas 824QXE Snowmaster and had a similar experience in that same snow (central Iowa). Been thinking of upgrading to a RapidTrak or perhaps Honda track machine. Even though I really like the Snowmaster in the majority of our snows, I’d love something that can attack the driven over and super wet snows.
1. If you spend an hour with a RapidTrak and an hour with a Honda - you'll pick the RapidTrak everytime.
2. Get the RapidTrak and keep the SnowMaster for the lighter stuff. Personally, If I was to keep only two snowblowers I have it would be The Ariens RapidTrak Pro and a Toro PowerClear. The PowerClear clears right down to the sidewalk and works really well on driven -on, packed down snow and ice. The RapidTrak for everything else.
Folks NEVER EVER let your batteries 🔋🔋 out in the cold ❄️🥶 or hot garage.
My Greenworks batteries are lasting years because i keep them in the house 🏡
Toro Battery Life 🔋 🔋 🔋 🔋 🔋
So you got about 14 minutes total off a 10 amp hour battery 🔋ugh.
These batteries from Toro are crazy expensive to buy more.
Even used 7.5 amp batteries are expensive.
I got over 25 minutes on the 10 AH - I clipped the video. I just didn't show you all the messing around I did.
Yes, the Toro is about 15% more than the Greenworks
@@PaulSikkema I don't know, I've bought Greenworks 6.0 for $100 to $120 used ..
These Toro batteries even used are like $200 plus to $300 some ...
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