1 Up 1 Back - Can The Pickleball Pros Win?!
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- čas přidán 18. 02. 2024
- New Series! Pros vs 5.0s - FEEDBACK PLEASE! This is the first of these type of videos that I’ve done, so please provide ideas and feedback for future videos
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I enjoyed the twist on the usual format. For ways to handicap the pros in future editions, my ideas would be:
•Make the pros play with starter paddles (like the ones that come with starter sets at Walmart)
•Let the weak side be even weaker and use handicap scoring, like the pros start down 0-9 against 4.5, or maybe 0-4 against 5.0, playing normal. (No rally scoring or required formations.)
•Move the kitchen line back (temporary line) ~5 feet on the pros' side. The lower the non-pro rating, the bigger you make the kitchen for the pros.
•Against significantly weaker opponents, like 4.5 or below, pros have to play with non-dominant hand.
•Give the non-pro team a pro coach to give suggestions during time-outs or between games, while the pros have limits on how much they're allowed to talk strategy between themselves. That could help highlight the importance of both strategy and communication (if the match is close enough).
(In case it's not clear, those are ideas to do one at a time, not all together.)
great ideas
Up vote for pros using starter paddles
More rule variations, to be adjusted depending on skill gap:
• Shrink or even eliminate kitchen for weaker side.
• Weaker side allowed to volley on return. (No 2-bounce rule.)
• If weaker side has enough skill or tennis background to pull it off, remove limits on how high they can contact the ball on the serve.
Such rule variations could highlight why the rules exist in the first place. The higher the skill level of the opponent, the more they matter. (I would expect that to be true of good/crappy paddles, too, having much more impact when opponents are closer in skill level.)
Some silly ones:
• Any hits by the pros that hit the net cord are either do-overs or faults.
• Pros wear an eye patch over one eye, to mess with depth perception.
• Pros play with those small trainer paddles designed to work on hitting sweet spot.
• Pros drink some smallish amount (like half a shot of beer) every time they hit a ball out or in the net.
•Recruit one or two expert trash talkers to roast and distract the pros during the match. (Maybe even given them an air horn.)
I like the sideline assessment/ strategy discussions along the way. Great format! More please!
100% seeing how pros think vs 5.0s
this was better than the last PPA
I really enjoyed it!! Keep this as a regular feature. Things I really liked: 1. players are miked up; 2. Showing the strategy discussions of each team; 3. Quality of the video is really good; 4. The "disadvantage" put on the pro team helps illustrate different aspects of the game, like the effectiveness of drops and ball placement. Here Adrian and Maximo did a good job of targeting where the pros were not. Again, I loved it!
I was surprised at how cool it was to see a panning camera from the baseline during the rally. The continuously changing perspective helped highlight the dynamic nature of the rally. Made it feel a lot more similar to being a player on the court.
You like the back corner angle?!
More fun to watch than the countless PPA tour matches I have watched, and I am a tour and MLP junkie. Keep it up!!!
Love this stuff. I think it gives people a more realistic look at what it takes to get to those levels.
Open to any ideas of how to improve!!
How about playing with your left hand? Seriously, it was very entertaining! Great work, Zane!
We might need to call in the big guns for this one@@EdHahm1
How about you playing against two 4.5 players? I’ve seen BJ do it and I’ve no doubt in my mind that you can pull it off, too.
The PPA could learn something about video production from you guys. It was great having everyone mic’d up
A very interesting match. It was also valuable to hear Zane and Jack talk strategy. Dropping the ball across from Jack was a great strategy, forcing Adrian and Maximo to slow the ball down. I don't think Adrian/Maximo ever figured out what was going on and how to counter it. The difference in capability (ability plus skill/experience) between the pros and the 5.0s was also very interesting.
For ideas, maybe have another pro coach the 5.0s with the same format? That would help to know if the main difference here was execution or strategy... if the 5.0s could have won with a better strategy. They came close. Maybe add a final game as an even match (no pro handicap) to see what the difference is when it's even-up play.
I like the idea of restricting the pros to entry-level paddles, to see what the impact is on their skills.
The theme I see here is figuring out different ways to isolate a skill and remove it from the pro toolbox, to see what impact that has. Whether it's old gear, or taking away one tool in their arsenal (no dinks, or no drops, or no drives, or no spin, etc.), it's a way to figure out which aspect of the total game is more valuable.
This was more fun to watch than a lot of the PPA matches. Great camera coverage and luv the running banter on both sides. For extra content it would be interesting if Zane did a breakdown analysis on a separate video of what the 5.0s did right and wrong on a variety of points seen in the match. More of this for sure!👍👍
I've loved it! Great camera angles, loved the handheld footage at the back it makes you feel like you are in the game. Slow-mo all the interesting parts were spot on! Being mic'd up and talking strategy was great to hear! Brilliant 👏
Future video idea: pros play with terrible paddes or frying pan 😅
dress up in winter gear 😂
I'd like to see pros playing without dinking and no dropshots.
This was the MOST ENJOYABLE video I have ever seen in you tube for pickleball. It is awesome to see high DUPR level amateurs vs pros. The one up one back I liked better than the no kitchen shots with cincola.
Very fun. Making Zane and Jack swap places occasionally would be an interesting addition. Might make it harder for the pros to get into a rhythm .
Zane, love this format! Super entertaining!
Thank you!! What can we improve?!
great play, i liked hearing the strategy discussions then watching the execution. I'm in the "keep it up" camp!
Great video... love the concept of pros playing 5.0 players. The chatter is helpful & hilarious 😂
Fun to watch! Realized that the difference between 5.0+ and 6+ is massive! Loved hearing the strategy!
I wish you play a game with a 4.5 against 5.0s and talk strategy with your 4.5 partner.
Thanks for making this video!
Jack's fully ambidextrous. Crazy. Not just rescues. Putaways, dinks, drops, drives, serves, you name it.
Lucky him haha
I love it keep the series going.
Great video and great players thanks.
Thank you! What can we improve?!
Loved watching this! Another handicap that could be added in conjunction with a slight bigger kitchen for the pros would be a center line that runs through the pro kitchen were the person has to stick to the side they’re on at the serve. That would really work the comms, reduce the poaching, and keep a more agile or stronger player from dominating 70% of the court.
This was very entertaining. I liked it all. Especially the dialogue of both sides on strategy.
Thank you! What can we improve?!
Love the insight into strategic timeout talk. Amazing stuff
Having all players mic'd up was great. Nice editing too. Can't wait for the next one.
Hell, I was sold at the intro reel kissin of the pythons. +1 to the Lab for making a black back wall - could use more facilities like that. Great production with the player mics - great stuff. The what are those... was a master touch. That was a lot of fun. Loved hearing the partner communication, the strategy chats, and the post match roundtable. Cool concept for a video series.
Very entertaining. The pros played like in badminton while 5.0 in pickleball. Never know that it can be so fun to watch!
Keep this going for sure. Would be sick to see an all pros with both teams 1 up 1 back. Feel like that would make for some insane points
Pros vs pros with the same set of rules?
Yeah exactly. One person can’t volley on each team. Or maybe have the non volley person switch each point or possession throughout the match? Might also be interesting to experiment between rally vs. traditional scoring for that as well depending on what a more equal matchup would produce as far as scoring but matches might last days😂
LOVE IT!!!! love the "trash talk"...keep making lots of videos
The best part of these videos are having you and Jack mid'c up and all the trashtalk.
Love the format and hope you do more in the series!
Enjoyed the format. Bc there was money on the line I felt compelled to watch all of it and see the energy each side put forth to want to win.
What do you think of the length? Too long?
I think the length was great. Similar to a real match. The cuts were well timed and the little strategy talks before and between games gave nice insight
Feedback: really liked the cutaways where you are strategizing. Super helpful and insightful.
Fun to watch! Great strategy discussion at the end especially. Would love more breakdown of how the pros are playing differently than the 5.0s.
How would you suggest we implement this?
Instant replay of some points where the pros make better strategy decisions. Especially when to drop/drive/reset based on court positioning.
Loving the mic'ed up strategy discussion during time outs!
This is great! Definitely do more of these.
There are a few people I play with who are always in the back or midcourt, I can't see what they are doing so I know how your kitchen guy feels. As the guys at the end said it's really a different strategy game this way. Very nice.
Thank you! What would you like to see next time?!
This game and choice of players was such a close match. Coming up with such a game is one thing, but finding such close competition surprises me even more. Fantastic games and lots of inventive shots needed to win a rally.
Love this. It brings us back to why we play Pickleball. Because it's fun! What makes it fun is the crazy points!
Excellent camera work/ angles, and slow motion replay editing. I agree with commenter that it makes the viewer feel like we’re in the game.
Loved it. Very entertaining. Not sure what you could do to improve it.
Love watching, bring a mixed competition of 5.0’s
I’m glad you had some commentary at the end about what the 5.0s could have done differently. It’s fun to learn what the skill gaps are between 5.0 vs 6.0+. How about 1x during a point the 5.0 can volley in the kitchen?😮
Glad you liked the end commentary! We thought that would be a good addition. I think we're going to do one where the 5.0s can go into the kitchen!
Super fun, shows real time problem solving. I would like to see the pros only play soft, fluffy serves, fluffy returns, 3rd shot drops, and resets. No drives or passing unless fire fight is started by the 5.0 team.
Enjoyed this thoroughly. Let's see more "pros vs. 5.0's"!
I'm enjoying this one, Jus started game three. Highlight - Jack's personality and him switching hands on overheads. I know he's naturally right handed, but damn.
Thank you! What can we improve?!
@@ZaneNavratilPickleball Maybe an additional time out, with both teams mic'd up. Commentary from the terrace.
What is Jack was back, and you were at kitchen?
Also, every five points, team up has to eat a slice of pizza.
Excellent play!!!! Great format!! I think you could do "call outs" like in street outlaws. Lower level. To give us a chance to see what it takes to compete at a high level. We all play local tournaments but it still doesn't hit right. If we only had a chance to play with pros....🙌🙌🙌🙌
What to improve.....
Maybe mixed doubles with pro women as well. We all know how well you play with anna bright in the MLP!
I do like the 1 up and 1 back. I know there were a couple of faults coming up to the kitchen with with 2 up. And no one back and you gave up the point because of it, i just think it would be ok if you had to come up to hit a cross but, go right back to keep the 1 up and 1 back. It shouldn't be a fault.
The fault would be if you stayed up there for the next ball.
P.s. i also agree with many here. Sideline breakdowns with commentating!!! Amazing and the cuts you did helped shorten up the video as a whole. But i feel thats what we want to see. No short videos because the pace of play is what we all want to see.
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How about the pro's have a checklist of things they have to do within a match. Like by the end of the game your team would have to check off all boxes on a randomizer type of board....meaning, you would have to ernie, bert, scorpion, tweener, ATP, reverse ATP(non dominant backhand) some of these things picked out of a hat to accomplish or you lose.
LMK what you think. Hopefully this is the type of feedback you wanted. Always loved watching you play. Great job guys. Way to go with giving us more PICKLEBALL!!!!
Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, mixed is on our radar for sure. I absolutely love the checklist idea. Definitely on our radar
I love this content!!! Keep em coming!!
Pros vs. 5.0s ideas: 1) Pros must only play with backhand. 2) Pros must play with nondominant hand. 3) Pros must play with a wooden paddle or not their usual paddle. 4) 5.0s play with an illegal or seemingly illegal paddle (i.e., delaminated paddle, Franklin Sweet Spot Trainer, or maybe with just the Gearbox Power Pro Elongated). 5) Pros must only hit down the line. 6) Pros must only hit cross court.
These are all really good ideas! Thank you!
That was fun to watch. Loved the commentary
Jack’s play with his left and right hands was nuts!
Fun to watch! just an idea: player on pros side in front position can only dink and defend after the 3rd
Love this content! Keep them coming! However, you weren’t playing 5.0’s really one dude was 6.0 and other was almost a 6.0 so kudos to you guys!
Great video and editing. Had me locked in
More educational and fun than any format so far! Only other one for me is Tuesday night Pickleball.
@Zane , does it affects your pro games when you play more of 5.0 and teaching ?
How do you manage it ?
We need more of this
Love the video!!! Might be a little hokey but how about 5s(or 4.?s) vs pros going both ways with two hands!!! Must keep two hands on the paddle for every shot!
The mic'ed players was fun.
Time out discussions were fun.
Zane being Zane is always fun.
Id like to see pros start the game at a deficit. (Handicap)
I'd say play non dominant hands, that would be difficult with Jack Munro.
This scenario would also have been more difficult with Zane and a rh player. TBH I think 5.0s win every time if Zane is another rh player. Maybe not with Riley n., James i., Conner g.
Oh yeah...... I'd also id love to see Zane and Jack paired up in the PPA.
For some reason this video wouldn't go hi-def and CZcams app wouldn't let me change the video quality, it said"unavailable". Pulled up the video on a browser and it was HD there and I could change the quality. Zane's other videos have never given me any issues.
This was so fun Zane! Let’s go!
Great format! Love hearing the strategy and how it changed throughout the game. Surprised the 5.0s didn’t try to bait Zane into volleying the ball more often. Get Jack some new shoes!
Bro is out there wilding with both hands
Very entertaining, please do more.
Im dead when Zane said dude were playing for money 😂
Yeah bro I'm funding this!!
Subscribed. Tons of fun loved the dialog
Another one you could do is make the lines on your side of the court 2x as thick. Consider most out balls are barely out at the higher levels. this might be fun.
Excellent. I would also love to see pro v pro but like talk about every play..but very interesting….thank you.
2:02 Zane with the classic gotcha
This is really fun and revealing!
I wish you color corrected your log footage. Really loved this match. Just curious if Jack normally serves righthanded and plays lefty.
Honestly, a series where you play games with your list of possible modifications would be awesome. Doesn’t even have to be against 5.0s. It would be fun to get all technical about why you chose the modification and how it will change the game. Then see your strategy change in game. Just a thought
Love it! Would like to see unrestricted play though. Just to see the contrast in strategic vocabulary. Maybe pros play with wood paddles or something to that effect?
On the agenda!
Terrific video! I enjoyed the match. Wonder if your partner would get called on his serve? Keep them coming!
Nahhhh nobody ever gets called on the serve haha
Awesome match! I would definitely watch this over PPA matches.
Zane - you should start a new league using this format, and variations of this format. It's more entertaining than PPA and I can relate your plays better than the PPA matches even though I am only a 3.5 player. Hope to see more!
Maybe I will!
Great content! I'd be interested to see a pros vs 5.0s where the pros can't stack or switch. Could be cool to see how you adapt, might even give the 5.0's a shot if you're kinda stuck covering your side
Nahhhhh we'd spank them hahaha
Zane! Always a blast to see your content, and especially this series! I’ll fly my 44 y/o 5.5 ass to Austin, and challenge you!
Ooooooo love it
Great content, very entertaining to watch.
Thank you! What do you think we could improve?!
Love this format so leverage similar games? Maybe 3 people per side, one stays backs or other versions you have seen/played. I love watching the winning team get to smack balls at the losers as the prize for winning but I'm not a healthy minded human. LOL@@ZaneNavratilPickleball
This is a cool concept. I’d like to see the pros play with wooden paddles next.
On the agenda!
Pros vs 4.0's with both pros back might also be interesting.
I like it. That would be brutal
Kyle did that to show the disadvantage of staying back in pickleball.
If you need people and are in Austin, my friend and I are 4.0~ his dupr right now is 4.000
It's not really feasible, because all they would have to do is drop/dink, so one of the pros would need to come up to cover that, and then the 5.0s would just aim for that guy's body on the very next shot - which the pro would have no choice but to dodge. I mean, sure, you could play that game - but it's too easy to exploit and wouldn't be entertaining.
Great Job Zane. Here’s an idea. Have the pros use one of those small sweet spot paddles and play a normal match.
I liked that you were all miced. Bring in a female pro against a mixed 5.0 +. The after analysis by both sides was excellent. I'd also be interesing to hear the younger pros take, like PH.
Great concept….I would pick these challenges over watching standard practice play all day!
Some possible future ideas.
* Pros have to switch paddles with each other twice before the point counts.
* Pros have to play 2 on 1 until 4th shot?
* Pros have to play with one hand in their pocket….😂
* The court is smaller for the non pros
* The pros have to carry a bag of grocery’s…😂The losers eat something from the bag.
Again very fun video! Keep up the great work I enjoy watching you play on tour and on your channel. 👍❤️
I like where your head is at!
I like this format,
Great video, would love to see more of it. May be pro can play any where, but neither is allowed to valley.
Thank you! Interestin!
Idea: Handicap pros by making them wear bandaids around fingers between first and second knuckles to mess with their feel.
Coming from a badminton background I was wondering how a front back offense would work out! However in badminton when you go side to side that's defense.
Just phenomenal content
Enjoyed it…and I watch a lot of pickleball 😂
Awesome thank you!
does jack have a channel or something cause i really wanna watch more of his games because im a ambidex too. trying to main my left while swapping rights on certain forehand shots
Great content! What if you started 4.5 vs 5.0 then winner gets 5.5 then winner gets pro. I’m a 4.8 and I’d love to see the difference in levels!!! 🙏
Zane's ability to concentrate / see the ball with Jack-the-Giant blocking his view was impressive. Next time put Zane up and Jack back.
Jack asking if dinking was "just a pro thing?" was funny. The 5.0s needed to dink and drop a lot more. (Says, me, a lowly 4.0!) 😉
Not sure what Jack Munro meant by "amphibious" at 5:33 mark, but it's so impressive that he's ambidextrous!!! I can't tell if he's righthanded or lefthanded. He serves with his right hand, has a lefthanded and righthanded forehand, and does a two-handed or one-handed backhand on his right side. Wowee zowee! So fun to watch.
P.S. I found this video that reveals his handedness!
czcams.com/video/1su1Yqc153M/video.htmlsi=o-Ja9SIxbS1eH8PL&t=110
Love it!
Thank you! What can we improve?!
Non the less great content
Very entertaining. Variation idea- pros can only hit forehands…..including volleys.
Great stuff, new challenges: pros wear eye patches to screw with depth perception. pros play connected somehow.. bungy cord or have to hold hands. Also add ring girls.
Haha love it. Good suggestions!
An idea that might be fun for the next pros vs 5.0s. The pros aren’t allowed to drive the ball and can only hit drops.
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that was hilarious
Really really good
This is a perfect example of "constraints" in practice to improve, a la the ecological approach to sports training
Fun series and keep it going. Nominating Pete G to come play next time with Ryan D!
Pete is in for next time I eblieve!