Depression is not caused by low levels of serotonin, new study suggests
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- čas přidán 29. 07. 2024
- For decades, scientists have believed depression is linked to lower levels of serotonin in the brain. But a new study suggests that may not be the case. Dr. Mitch Prinstein, chief science officer at the American Psychological Association, joins CBS News' John Dickerson to discuss the study's findings.
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DEPRESSION IS CAUSED BY EXTERNAL ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS!
Next time interview the author of the study.
It’s so difficult to describe depression to someone who’s never been there because it’s not sadness.
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What pisses me off is the fact that I never had depression, I had a little bit of anxiety from the pressures of college and I was put on Zoloft. The doctor said it helps with anxiety. Well that was the beginning of a miserable 15 year journey of being on and off antidepressants and benzos, being mean, ruining relationships. You name it I did it on that medicine. I'm off everything now and have been for 11 weeks. Little bit of benzo withdrawal left but nothing serious. I've had it. The drug companies and pill pushing family doctors along with the psychiatrists need to be held accountable.
So no ownership of your free will to choose the status quo or research alternatives. If you were in college then you were familiar with simple research. At some point we have to take responsibility for our own choices.
@@pinchebruha405 nope. Trusted the doctor to do the right thing back in 2006
@@pinchebruha405 I don't know if you're implying that while getting a batchelors degree in finance and working full time that I should have also been my own doctor? The research out back then said you have a chemical imbalance in your brain. I had a flip phone that talked and texted. No internet in my pocket. What research was I supposed to be doing?
@@bIgMiKeObAmNa walk into any health food store and ask the folks that work there for alternatives!
@@pinchebruha405 it's so clear to see that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Absolutely none. What are you a doctor?
For me the main factor making me feel depressed had always been the inherent stupidity and pettiness of the representatives of human kind and the fact that it's everywhere I look and go. As soon as I get away from any signs of human presence, I feel better immediately, without the use of any drugs.
It's not the people, it's your judgement of them. You're a perfect reflection of them, but you only see you in people and it depresses you. It's simple projection.
@@SusanKay- I think everything you said is true, except the "unconditional" part. Unless, "positive regard" has another meaning that isn't so obvious to the average reader.
@@SusanKay- For example, if someone positively regarded me as needing injury, I would assume it's projection and he thought injuries were positive for others. I unconditionally support giving people what they want for others, even if I'm forced to help them get it really quickly.
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I feel this way; I'm working hard to become wealthy so that I can avoid people.
I appreciate the study but I'm with John here on the triple barrel questions. How did we think of it before and why has it been pushed for so long? We need scientific facts for mental health not theories.
He explained it starting at 0:49, why they thought lack of serotonin was the reason.
Because many, many double blind placebo trials have shown anti depressant meds to be effective for depression. But no one in the psychiatric field has thought that low serotonin levels are the problem for at least a decade now. That's just a simplistic answer to how these meds work that they sometimes give. That doesn't mean these drugs don't work by some other mechanism. They likely increase neuroplasticity temporarily.
@@foxinthesnow1917 I like your username
@@Yehoshua7 thanks
@@Yehoshua7 No he didn't, exactly. He said serotonin sends signals from one neuron to another. But that's true of all neurotransmitters. Then he said SSRIs have been effective in reducing symptoms of depression, but now they know it's probably not from enhancement of serotonin, which is exactly the question needed to be answered. I guess one could summarize it as "The drugs work, and they enhance serotonin, so it must be serotonin." Not necessarily true. Could be another effect the drugs have, or the studies were bad. The part where the host asked if it was due to placebo got clobbered, so we don't know what he said then, other than it probably wasn't a placebo effect (and thud due to bad study design).
I’m really bummed that the guest speaker got cut off at a really important time when he was speaking. I was really interested in what he had to say!
Me too :/
It’s all part of their plan
That was on purpose
This was presented in a deliberately vague way, with the predictable pharmaceutical lobbyist as a "guest" for a corporate media channel that relies on funding & ad revenue from pharmaceutical adverts.. What this doesn't say is that it isn't just any "study" it is a comprehensive umbrella review of around 550 peer reviewed studies and investigative reviews of other studies, each reviewing many other studies. They broke down the 550 studies to get down to 17 high quality meta-analyses, some which themselves analysed studies involving 150,000 people over a period of years. So they looked at all this information, going back decades, encompassing 100s of thousands of people across multiple studies & meta analysis's of multiple studies and other meta analyses. And came to the the conclusion that there is no convincing evidence that depression is caused by low serotonin. Even in studies where serotonin was deliberately reduced by environmental factors, it didn't convincingly show an increase in depression. In many cases there was evidence that showed that long term use can in fact reduce serotonin levels (in the same way long term supplementation of Melatonin decreases production of melatonin, as the body does what is most efficient) . Rather the comprehensive study suggests that depression is a reaction to external & environmental factors, economic factors, past trauma, daily stresses, current stresses, loss, loneliness, existential dread etc.
As someone who has tried numerous antidepressants that never ever worked, i can say truthfully that while i tried them for depression & anxiety, i was never as suicidal as i was on antidepressants. Particularly that of Aropax, which was later banned as it was proven to increase suicidal ideation in much the same way that Zoloft was. Of interest is the fact that many different SSRIs are in fact basically the same as older versions, just tweaked slightly to renew the patents, even though it is effectively the same medicine. And this goes for even banned medicines like Aropax. Throughout my years i went on them, off them, changed to different types, & went off them, SSRIs, Triciclics, SNRIs, & SSRIs again, but the side affects & numbness of emotion, the dry mouth & lack of concentration, occasional shakes & dizziness, & the complete reduction of libido, were always worse. And of course i knew what was the cause of my depression, & that was my reality of having been fostered, plus having no roots & no family, plus later having gone through an earthquake that destroyed much of what was dear to me, of the places & vibrant scene in my city that i came to be a part of & the base of the family of friends that i met along the way.. I tried many SSRIs to try to balance out the symptoms of all that, but always found the same conclusion, that for me at least, the side affects were worse..
But what ultimately worked for me was a combination of meditation, exercise, therapy, magnesium to reduce muscle tension, Chicken bone broth, working on my own issues, & adrenalin inducing activities that force me to focus on the moment like Downhill MTB or skateboarding, particularly Downhill MTB.. I know some people that SSRIs worked for, but many that they had the opposite affect, & others who became essentially addicted, & it was largely no different coming off them than any other addictive drug that also alters brain chemistry.. From my experience, & my own long suspicion, this huge meta analysis of many other meta analysis's, the gold standard of reviews, vindicates my own experience & thoughts on these drugs.. And my suspicion of the profit motive pushing what is best for the profit motive rather than focusing on root causes..
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I think the people who make money off of people being sick knew this a long time ago.
I was on SSRI for severe depression for years. They didn't work so now I'm treating my depression without meds. I do supplements and healthy diet and it works much better.
DEPRESSION is caused by environmental factors!
What supplements you take may I ask?
@@yesed yes plz tell
@@yesed try taking a normal dose of magnesium malate daily. It's helped me a lot.
Flush type Niacin dear. Start at 500mg
Depression is due to difficult life experiences. Guidance and support to help you through these challenges is what is needed. Not drugs.
Precisely, but taking that path does not keep the doctors and pharmaceutical companies in business making a mint off of you and people like you.
What about rTMS?
Bro if you dont know what depression is u just need to be quiet
Do you have any idea about what you are talking about?
Thats called stress/sadness not depression. depression can happen to someone who has a perfect life for no apparent reason.
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Big pharma can't be happy about this.
For me, personally, I always felt that what I experienced has more to do with dopamine than serotonin.
agree
Dopamine and serotonin are inversely correlated, high serotonin -> low dopamine and vice versa.
@@kfoalbfkdkd5302 True but the psychiatrists keep writing SSRIs which did nothing for me.
@@virajpatel229 Well its the norm unfortunately.
Low dopamine means no interest in any hobbies or activities, inability to feel pleasure. Remeron is the worst. Felt no emotion at all. SSRIs, I like to call them suicide pills ("may cause suicidal thoughts") as well as apathogens as opposed to empathogens
News like this revelation really pisses me off because I and everyone else that lives with depression have been chemically treated with the wrong thing all of these years! No wonder we never really feel better
Studies still show that antidepressants work better than placebos in endless amounts of studies. Researchers just have never figured out exactly why. It's likely because they increase neuroplasticity.
@@foxinthesnow1917 Right on. There are many drugs that have been shown to work, but no one knows why. In the past, this was the normal situation before molecular biology advanced enough to figure out some of them. What's up with the Ketamine story? I haven't been following it...
@@foxinthesnow1917 I guess you are right.
Ssris have silly side effects. Somehow, they work for a lot of people but never did for me. Maybe now they'll look into what factors they actually help with.
They help me. Don't know why.
I was on prozac years ago, & found that my fear/anxiety level dropped. I became psychologically unstable & became suicidal due to feeling no fear. I have a passive personality but I also started getting verbally aggressive & showed a lack of empathy. I told the doctor about it, & they just ignored me, & told me it was an environmental problem & carry on taking them. 😡
Clinical depression found in the hospital is a much much more serious phenomena than found in the community. What people describe as depression i the community is generally dissatisfaction with their lives.
They may have genuine reasons to be dissatisfied but a doctor cannot treat this with a tablet. Which is why I feel sorry for them.
great comment. people should be more self aware, and maybe listen more to others. group therapies can be great regarding this I think. helps you relativise some things, and prioritize some other things.
It is social engineering, and it is a disgrace.
I’ve been on Lexapro (an SSRI) before and it did not help at all. I’m currently on Wellbutrin and I’ve been feeling better
I liked Wellbutrin till my hair started falling out! Look it up -happens a lot :( now on Zoloft and don’t feel great
How is it going on are you still on it
“Probably not a placebo” wow real confident in that answer huh.
For me I've always thought SNRI's worked better for myself than SSRI. In fact, SSRI would often cause depersonalization for me whenever I tried it. I'm curious as to why SSRI's have been prescribed for so long then? What does it do that it has somehow worked against depression? Does increasing Serotonin levels in the brain generally uplift the mood as a side-effect?
It's likely that SSRIs work by increasing neuroplasticity. They affect multiple neurotransmitters besides serotonin. They are prescribed so much because they are the safest of the antidepressant drugs. MOAIs probably work way better but they have potentially fatal side effects.
@@foxinthesnow1917 interesting. Do you think there'd be a switch in terms of most prescribed depression medication now that these findings have come out? Don't SNRI's generally work on the same symptoms albeit in varying efficacy?
Snri's seem to have less and more mild side effects in my experience.
Because big pharma was relient on selling loads of anti depressions tablets duh
@@foxinthesnow1917 SSRIs do NOT increase neuroplasticity. This is also a myth.
this is my spin on this.... i think living in an America causing a much more environmentally depression and that why the meds dont always work compared to some people who may have a chemical imbalance. life isnt so ment to be cooped up all day and beaten down at a job and things shouldnt be a struggle for basic things like food and heatlh care.
Agree, broken bunny❤️
Agreed! Environmental factors have more influence here than genes…and academia is already agreed upon the notion that 70% environmental 30% genetic factors in terms of influencing how a person develops
I think it's an American attitude that's the problem. If you had taken the people that were adults in 1950, and put them in the same situation we are today with the pandemic and the shut downs, they would be able to handle it much better than the generations of today. Their attitudes were better, they were used to struggling, and they used community and family ties to get through a lot of hardships. Today's people don't give a crap about anybody and anything and they are so arrogant and think that they need everything now and they cry when they can't have things.
Do people really think a chemical imbalance is the issue? Do you think the brain is chemically balanced most or even half of the time? Especially when there's millions of different reactions in the brain on a day to day basis?
@@dijonpsalm6938 A lot of people still believe in this because the amount of media behind this hypothesis, regardless the fact that we don't have almost any evidence to this hypothesis. Misleading AF, specially considering that we have neurodiversity.
What needs to be changed:
All the medical textbooks and medical board exams
What can't be changed:
The millions of doctors already indoctrinated.
millions of doctors
Only Americans
Is life and being a adult a cause of depression???
It is if you grew up in a dysfunctional family and haven't worked on your issues, then yes.
Yes..............................................
@@brianwalsh1401 Life's too short.................
Depression is a big deal
It truly is @Emilio Bello
No sh*t, Sherlock.
No, the causes are a big deal. Depression is nothing, it's just a feeling.
research Gaba, it helps lots.
@@jesterprivilege It's not a feeling it's a constellation of symptoms.
He may have helped you understand it, but he sure didn't help me understand it. I learned absolutely nothing from that interview.
Some people may have actual imbalances. But most of us aren't born with depression, it's something that develops from the environment we're in and can become chronic if left without care. I'm only speaking for myself, but my depression and anxiety disorder didn't develop until my emotional, mental, and spiritual needs were neglected for many years in my environment with a combination of complex events throughout my life that I could not control all the time or get away from. And having adopted a unhealthy mindset from family and external influences, I wasn't aware how harmful it is/was, it just was how things were. I wonder if depression starts, you know like a snow ball when one or a mix of emotional, mental, physical, and spiritual needs aren't met and it just get's worse as needs continue to be unmet. And it's even harder when it starts at a young age. The Dalai lama said, "Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." At first I didn't fully understand this, but as I got older, it's true on a mirco and macro scale.
Love your comment, I have come to the same realizations!
This was an incredibly vague and completely unhelpful segment in terms of what it was trying to do: educate anyone about anything
A single four sentence paragraph could have expressed everything in this pathetic segment
SSRIS didn’t help me with depression. It feels more like it works for sadness. People who are depressed will become a zombie
Depression is caused by politicians and corporations who make our lives disgusting.
They've never known even how they work, just all of the side effects such things bring on.
They know, they just don't release those studies. They only tell you about the studies with profitable results.
That's why they are some of the best selling medications of all time because people hate them and they don't work. Right.
@@FleurPillager Non sequitur, troll. Keep moving... 🙄
@@TheCommunicationCoach No argument huh? You can't argue with what I said because it's true.
They block the reuptake of serotonin which is a neurotransmitter. This allows more to remain in the synapse to facilitate neurotransmission.
SSRIs messed me up badly in terms of diet/weight/sexual health, and I didn’t see progress for years until I got a different, more thorough diagnosis and was put on antipsychotics. That was 8 months ago and my life has dramatically improved. I know ssris work for others in my life but for those with undiagnosed bipolar (etc) they can sure make things even tougher in some ways.
That’s interesting. I was recommended to take medicine and I’m nervous because I keep seeing mixed reviews. Some people tell me it saved their life and some people say they’ve destroyed them. I know that there is bi polar in my family so I should probably get checked for that since you say that. How do you get a comprehensive test?
Hii for how long u have been taking antidepressants before antipsychotics bcoz I m also taking antidepressants for 4 months with no effect
@@arindokras7590 I was on SSRI for years before bipolar diagnosis. They did help with reducing extremely negative thoughts. I think antidepressants can take several months to fully take effect, just keep an open dialogue with your doctor.
@@user-nq4hw5eb9d I am fortunate to have good health insurance, I just used my insurance website to search for an in-network psychiatrist (medical doctor/specialist) and booked an initial appointment. The first one is long but then the next appointments are easier.
My psychiatrist prescribed antipsychotics and they worked
For more than 80 years, we have been hearing about the two hormones serotonin and dopamine that you cut cause depression. How is that now? They say that the reason is not from these two hormones???. What made them change their opinion of this? Research, old medicines and medicines are all thrown in the trash? I am surprised by all this talk. How did they change this view of depression?
I have always thought depression was caused by hormone imbalance.
It can be, to the point that everyone admitted to the psych hospital I was in had thyroid panels done upon admission, along with Vitamin D
I am a woman in my thirties who has been suffering from Post SSRI Sexual Dysfunction (PSSD) for 8 years, one of the many people ruined by SSRIs who don't know how to recover their sexuality and all that revolved around it (no small feat!). There are young people in the PSSD community who have taken their own lives because of the syndrome. Many have taken SSRI drugs for mild issues and are now ruined. There needs to be a lot more focus on this topic...PSSD could happen to anyone who takes SSRIs, because with current knowledge it is not predictable, the etiology is not even known, and there is no cure. Patients are trying to raise money for scientific research because they are abandoned by the health care system that has harmed them instead of making them better. It is an absurd reality from many points of view.
Is there research you could link me to showing that SSRI's lead to long term sexual dysfunction? Thanks.
People think these drugs are harmless and what we experience are simply side effects, In reality that are life-altering injuries caused by the SSRIs themselves. No one warned us it could happen and there isn't anything the medical field can do because they never researched these drugs longer than a few weeks. They injured millions of us.
I am 22 and I feel like I died and this really isn’t happening but of course it’s happening, I just still can’t believe it and how much it goes unnoticed by society (pssd).
New fund raiser and a CZcams channel called PSSD network is working along side PFS (post finasteride syndrome) network because it is believed that they are pretty much the same so that’s something to look forward to.
There’s already a small amount of work done being made by two other sites that were made before the two new ones but it’s looking to get a lot of attention, we are hoping people hear our stories and donate to research because this condition is life destroying and we deserve a cure and better medicine, no one should have to deal their entire life with medication injuries.
I’m tired of trying to justify what I’m going through to try and feel normal about it but I’m at the point now I can’t accept this is it and I’ll go to my grave fighting
@Ernie H honestly, best be safe, take care of our health, especially young people and don’t do what I did two years ago when I was 20 and take antidepressants, now I’m 23 with sexual dysfunction lmao ahh health care is such a joke
@Ernie H frfr
Nothing is going to change. Way too much money is being made selling SSRIs.
after 12 years still have PSSD caused by just 2 weeks of taking SSRI citalopram
Same here
I have experienced depression at different times in my life. Antidepressants never worked for me. One in particular gave me the suicidal thoughts when I took it. I am off all Antidepressants now and I'm going to stay that way. Other thi gs that helped me was quitting the stressful job I had because the boss constantly on my case about stupid petty things. I felt better when I quit my job. I could sleep in the mornings, dress how I wanted too, I could shop or go out for a coffee with a friend. One day I went to the beach all by myself. These things lift my spirits when I did them. Working a job sucks every bit of joy out of me because of that one particular boss who is always making the work day miserable. Does anyone know what trying to say??
There are two kinds of depression. One is situational depression which is depression brought on by insurmountable problems in your life and the inability to fix them. The other kind is inbalance chemical depression. Medications do not work on the first one. Until you get your problems actually fixed, the pill will not do anything
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Is there any hard evidence for the second one?
@@remotefaith I believe psychiatrists usually claim that you would feel hopeless, helpless, feel suicidal, and no longer care about yourself or others.
@@Livetoeat171 The chemical imbalance theory is already discredited.
Thank you so much for your comment. You may have saved someone from taking these drugs that don’t work for them and then feeling worse or being affected in an even more adverse way. Some people with situational depression are hanging on by a thread and desperately need talk therapy. Counseling with the right mental health professional that fits their circumstances and needs. When you know the main cause of your depression is your situation, experiences, life choices, circumstance, trauma, problems, etc and it’s not chemical related, then pills are *not* the answer and will not help fix your problems
I suffer from extreme depression every day. I was sexually abused and raped by a woman when I was 10 years old. I have been blamed and made to feel terrible about it, I don't think my parents would love me if I told them. Every day my thoughts haunt me sometimes to the point of a panic attack.
Dear Jack I’m wondering how old you are now. You sound as though you’re still fairly young since you are concerned about your parents not loving you if they know.
Who is it that is blaming you and make you feel responsible?
Please believe that any sexual act you do not agree to is not your fault at all.
I can empathize with you, and I understand how you’re feeling to some degree.
I had a similar situation when I was about 11 or 12.
A “Christian“ couple (church friends of my parents) were over for dinner. The husband accosted me when no one else was around. It both shocked and scared me, and I probably was too afraid to tell anybody. However, I guess he thought that I might tell, so he preemptively lied and told them that I had “come on” to him.
My parents and his wife believed him, and I was chastised and blamed for it.
I still recall the level of hurt and betrayal I felt being at being automatically assumed to be the guilty party.
To be sure, I was a rebellious preteen at the time, but I feel things like this are what made me rebellious, not the other way around.
I hope you can find someone to confide in that will help you with your depression. If there is a teacher at your school or some professional person you can trust and feel you can confide in, or even an older friend, perhaps it would help to talk with someone.
I am sorry that you have suffered this trauma. I understand your fears as much as I can. Always remember: *It was NOT YOUR FAULT.* It could not be because *you were a child.* This realization has probably helped me more than anything.
I hope you find relief. I will say a little prayer for you.
Love ❤️ and Peace 🕊
@@kittycat1302 I'm really sorry for what you went through, you're very brave to share it. I hope for the best for you.
To answer your questions:
I'm 19
There were 6 girls in my school who laughed at me for being raped, I didn't tell them but they found out.
My head of year a few years ago made us watch a PowerPoint in tutor about how men can't be raped so she probably wouldn't have believed me. I did tell one teacher about what happened and she didn't really take me seriously as well.
Thank you for being supportive.
@@jacklong9449 if that was me I’d report that teacher to the principal and even the police. It is extremely rude and disgusting for that teacher to project her negative nasty views on innocent students , honestly it’s so disgusting
I always feels overwhelmed by my depression too, i have CPTSD that always haunts me i'm 19 years old like you and just succesfully passed my first college year, however there is always this horrible un-satisfaction with my self and the heavy remorse i feel can't explain it with words and everyday for me just get worse causing me to get nervous and jittery, i feel like life has betrayed me and i envy other people for living a normal life (even with problems,they get through it), i feel tense and no longer able to relax my mind, but man i believe that as everything went down in my life one day, at another everything will return to normal, that's why for me it's worth it fighting the darkest spots of my mind trying to find answers that don't convince me but still living in the sake of experiencing new things that might change my perseption over time (even though i kinda feel old for my age)
@@jacklong9449 Where u from man?
Would you link the study so people can critique it? Any controversy regarding the outcome or the conclusions drawn?
Not at all surprising. %15 reported improvement in trials is all it needs to qualify. Just 15! SSRI’s have never been the solution
if it's not related to Serotonin, how come the SSRI do work? because they work...
Antidepressants are placebo
Thank you, as a person who struggles with bipolar disorder this is a eye opener, no one has the right answer.
Have you explored Gaba? It's incredible for the big D and Angsiety.
There is a different answer for everyone. Pharmaceuticals and the Medical Profession have a cookie cutter approach.
@@sallybennett7869 Haven't found it does a lot for bi-polar disorder.
I work with a student with bipolar. He and I did some research on alternatives. I suggested magnesium L-Threonate, and he is going to try ashwagantha. I also suggested getting outside more often, exposure to early morning sunlight. Diet is a big one as well, lots of fruits and veggies. You could try an elimination diet. Look it up. Love and healing to you❤️
More weed is the answer.......................
Then I want the thousands of dollars I spent on antidepressants that were supposedly adjusting my serotonin levels back.
You took the risk, they keep the money. Their biggest hope is to get a government contract to sell drugs that don't work. Tax payers won't get vaccine money back either. I get that things don't work, but the bigger issue is those that are fooled into buying quick solutions. We need a cure for those people.
So what did the study find exactly...? What methods were used?
They knew it the whole time ! We are the product ….
I know many people taking anti-depressants and the meds don’t work for them. None of them had any talk therapy to go along with the meds.
Talk therapy is an even bigger scam. Just lonely people paying for a friend. Like that's gonna help someone's confidence.
@@biggibbs4678 i agree, what is helpful for depression without known cause?
@@biggibbs4678
'Just lonely people paying for a friend'
This seems rather flippant. What's your proof for this?
Let me start off by helping you define the word friend: 'a person with whom one has a bond of mutual affection, typically one exclusive of sexual or family relations,' (from Google).
I can not take SSRIs , I have tried 4 and had adverse reactions to all of them.
@CBS News Why report on this? You gave the impression that if serotonin plays no part in depression, then there is no reason to take SSRI’s. I will give you credit for at least saying that if it seems to work for you, keep taking it. This was an overly simplistic overview of some of the neurotransmitters involved involved. I worry that do to this shotty reporting, people who really need to be in SSRI’s will either not seek help (due to you talking about placebo affect and not finishing that discussion), or will stop taking it. Please, be more responsible and do better!
Welcome to the "news" and why I completely boycott it.
Stay tuned to hear about my success and happiness in life... the secret might not surprise you.
Right -- there is no reason to take SSRIs --- they are a scam. The low serotonin hypothesis was put forward by Eli Lilly to sell Prozac -- there was never any evidence for it, nor do any of the pharma companies care.
Then I expect an apology and refund for all SSRI treatment the past five years.
Sooo...psychological experts, what was the point of this? Why would you announce this to the public if it entails nothing but "keep doing exactly what you're doing?"
They should be a way of testing the level of this neurotransmitter before administering any drug. The organ malfunctioning in depression is the brain. They should be a way of scanning and analysing the brain to diagnose any kind of depression.
I wish schools would start teaching how meditation, exercise and being in nature can help minimize/cure your depression. All they want to do is get ppl addicted to 💊 💊 💊
There is plenty evidence that the chemicals they are prescribing are addictive.
When you’re really depressed you can’t even come out of your bed. Nothing gave me a purpose. When I could get of my bed, in nature, exercising, it got worse. Feeling a bit “depressed” isn’t the same as depression. When you’re depressed, yeah, that all works. When you’re in a depression, all those things don’t work. Nothing basically does. Thanks to meds I began to see clearer and have a bit more power to build my life back up. With talk therapy, it got better. With exercise and hiking, it got even better. I’ve been there. Feeling “depressed” (how everyone feels sometimes) isn’t the same as depression (where medication is truly something you need to take, as exercise and nature didn’t make me less suicidal). I’ve tried it all. Trust me.
@@againstthegraingolf301 That they’re addictive is true. But I needed it. The meds are evolving in a less addictive formula. I’ve been able to build several addictive medicines off, w/o a lot of problems.
@@Maratje2 I agree, I take two different types and it has worked well for me compared to “nature” and “meditation”
@@Maratje2 spot on right about depression
It's a placebo effect folks. No significant differences were shown in the drug trials.
SSRIs, maybe, and it’s no wonder there’s a global mental health crisis when these are the first-line drugs they run to for serious depression because they have “less side-effects”. Tricyclics, MAOIs and venlafaxine (just stronger antidepressants in general) that short of ECT are almost the only things that bring people back from the brink of death to a bit more than a placebo effect. That much is undeniable.
They NEVER thought it was the ONLY reason. Scientists are not that simple-minded.
Not sure this clip was even helpful. This "new" study shows depression isn't linked to low serotonin. They didn't provide any new information here as what to do about depression knowing this information. It's all the same...talk therapy, try different SSRI's til you find one that works, or "other" treatment options....but they didn't say what those other treatment options are. It's just the same ol', same ol'....
They key is that there is no answer. Your problem is wanting an answer from people without one. Just be happy you finally know what one of the wrong answers were. Now it's up to you to find the answer to your depression. It's unique to you.
@@jesterprivilege who said I have depression? Not sure where you got that. 🤔
@@charlybucket2691 well, pretend its written to someone who is depressed.
Here is a tip -- SSRIs and other similar categories of antidepressants are based upon a hypothesis that is false. The studies were rigged to make them look effective. So there is no reason to take SSRIs or the other serotonin manipulating drugs.
I switched from Psychology to Nursing because there's just too much guesswork in Psychology.
Nursing is an actual science.
? Psychologists don’t prescribe medication. A nurse should know that. 🙄
@@squirrelnibbler19 They can now in some states if they take a brief certificate training.
Psychology is a science. Not a soft one either, it's a hard one. If you couldn't figure it out, maybe it was too hard for you to grasp.
@@rhoadestyler321 psychology is a soft science. It's not hard in anyway and that's not even the point. psychology I'd deeply flawed
If depression inside out is anger then anti depressants make you…angry? 😅make it make sense 🎉
Not in all, but in MOST cases of depression and/or anxiety I have seen in variety of people is the result of their socio-economic position in society--not in a chemical imbalance in the brain. If people's needs are met, if they are free from abuse and soul killing jobs, etc., if they have a real chance at self-actualisation, they may feel depressed or anxious at some points in their lives, but it will never be a constant battle for them. All the medical profession is doing is pushing "legal" drugs to solve problems that users of Illegal drugs do, Either way, whoever the makers are of the drugs, legal or illegal, they are the ones benefiting from selling the drugs, not the poor sods who get talked into taking the drugs because we are all taught from childhood to "trust" people in certain professions. The truth is everyone needs to seriously question what the "experts" are telling them and do their own research to find out what exactly the experts are pushing on the patients and WHO really benefits from being on antidepressants for 40 or 50 years. Hint: it is not the patients who benefit.
Would have been better if this gentleman had not been cut off. If the SSRIs aren't really helping, what's causing the depression to improve when people take them? What strategy might be more effective? Please provide thumbnail sketches on how these meds work.
Talk therapy doesn’t do anything for someone that is severely depressed. It’s like talking to a person that has autism and expecting them to be less autistic after therapy… i always cringe when people say I overcame depression by meditating and talk therapy… than that person obviously didn’t have a severe depressive disorder that comes from the brain. We need a medication like psilocybin that changes the neural networks of the brain. Or better yet, I hope in the future we can Find a way to prevent severe depression all together. As of currently nothing is really working. Mostly bc the limitations the FDA puts on new interventions, procedures and medications. Years to get to market …
Yes hope we get it early
But I heard psychedelics cause psychosis is that true?
Times I had been seriously depressed: after amalgam filling fell out, after tooth with amalgam filling was extracted, during heavy metal chelation. So Hg redistribution causes it for me, strangely Hg exposure doesn't. Otherwise I can be going through tough times and I will stay optimistic, but not when Hg is involved, then my adrenals don't function right, and I have zero tolerance for stress.
Weed helps.....................
@@LoneLee2022 It doesn't help me
What is Hg
@@FootNSoul An element in the periodic table.
@@editk7019 ok mr.potassium
That doc couldn't be more vague, could he?
I’ve done smokeless tobacco for years (dipping) and I recently quit a month ago. I’m going through anxiety, depression and just feel like something is off in my brain. I’m guessing my dopamine levels are lower than normal, any suggestions what to take?
Wait it out, it gets better, but it can take anywhere from 3 months, to possibly 6-18 months to feel completely “normal”, or “healthy”, again. Whatever you do, get rid of the thought process that tricks you into believing you’re broken or unworthy, in any way, without chemically altering something about yourself. Research/study the most effective, the most vouched for, the least pseudo-scientific, and the most natural ways to improve your health. If I could go back in time, these are the words I’d say to myself.
@@belliott88 I was prescribed Xanax for my mild anxiety but I don’t think I’m going to take it. Considering I am just basically getting over a drug I don’t want to get addicted to another one. Did you go through nicotine withdrawal and do you have any natural remedies that helped?
maybe mineral supplements can help. Magnesium is good
i believe because SSRI had not worked for my anxiety-depression problem that I had been on SSRI since last 25 years.
Are you still on antidepressants? How are you coping? I've been off and on antidepressants for 22 years as well as benzos. I'm now left with extreme depression, now I'm completely off of all of them meds. I went off of them because they were starting to affect my cognitive functioning a great deal.
FULL STOP 🛑 Shut up! My child almost killed her self because SSRIs drawback the risk is suicide and self harm! This should not be legal. That have no justification giving these for teens and young adults!
How does a pharmaceutical drug prescribed to “treat” depression that is known to potentially cause suicidal impulses make it to market?
Question: Is there a Scan that can take a closer look into the Brain Itself to find out wether an SSRI is even Needed?
Specifically, could there be a PET Scan to show which part of the Brain is benefiting from the medication or not...
I am asking for myself, have been on Celexa and Depakote for 10 years. Any suggestion would help.
Unfortunately, no. Science hasn’t advanced to that level yet. But I have no doubt that it will. If you are feeling that your current meds are no longer working for you, I’d encourage you to talk to your dr about it. Many studies have shown that psycho pharmaceuticals (mental health meds), can stop working or lose their effectiveness, over time. This is certainly not always the case, but don’t be discouraged if it has happened. Sometimes, it simply takes a small tweak of the meds, or as annoying as it is, increased exercise, better nutrition, quality sleep. These changes, in addition to therapy/counseling, can & do truly help millions every single day. Don’t get me wrong, it’s definitely easier said than done. My life philosophy is “baby steps”, one step @ a time, from What About Bob. Lol.
So true. I have epilepsy and have had many brain scans in my life. There are tests out there to see if your brain is not putting out enough seritnina but its easier just to say take this pill and you make more $ that way
Thanks for the video. Is there an SSRI that can help with sleep issues ???
Give me a break! I mean, for 30 or 40 years the SSR's were effective and there was lot of evidence that they worked ok. Now, just out nowhere, we are told that all these prescriptions had no real effect, or if they had any, they still don't know what was going inside our brains. This is terrifying news for those who have depression. I mean, it's just like playing Poker, you never know what's going to happen,
It’s weird how people still act surprised when they realize that low serotonin is a symptom and not a cause of depression
I’ve been saying depression isn’t a chemical Imbalace to my doctors for years.. Maybe now they’ll listen 🙄
I understand the studies , but Sertraline as helped me greatly
Placebo
They make me have worse suicidal thoughts
We need a more serious look @ the use of psychedelics to treat depression
And Weed.........................
@@LoneLee2022 cannabis
@@againstthegraingolf301 Zoo Jersey just legalized. Very expensive.😅
@@LoneLee2022 are you saying it’s expensive to purchase or expensive to get prescription /med card? Its been legal (medicinally), and thriving in MD for years now, and will be legal for recreation soon. Recreational users will pay higher prices than those on prescription. It’s not that expensive considering it’s life-saving or at least improving the quality of life for those that need, vs not being able to afford to keep “upping the dose” of pills. They also have senior and veteran discounts which help the most vulnerable patients get the access they need.
@@againstthegraingolf301 Its all medicinal regardless.😗
Depression is pretty much what “fatigue” is to the body. There are a million gradations in severity, and too many causes to list. No wonder some modalities work for some people, but not all work for all people.
I'm currently on ndri and this is not working for me. Previous I had snri and they worked me fine, but si had to switch them because of my stomach issues. Now I'm planning to switch to ssri
I have depression and I don't know if that's right or not goodbye
I'm coming off anti depressants and I already feel happier 😁
Study funded by antidepressants making company.
I have to take duloxetine after covid. After trying to stop, the emotional swings came back. However, the worst are the pressure spikes during which I feel bad and have no strength. Everything is fine with meds. Before covid everything was fine without meds.
I’ve been diagnosed ( labels) as depression. I don’t do the things I like is because I’m not the same after my eye surgery.
I am sad but not angry but do get irritated when I’m told it’s ok. They mean well . If there’s a pill that would make me feel ok , I’ll take it. But to be medicated long term is not good for me.
I’m on homeopathy & sleeping well again.
I tried exercising again but my body feels really heavy.
So you got depressed because your life circumstances changed. The pill could work because another change gives you hope of something different.
@@biggibbs4678 - I’m trying to accept the changes in my physiology. But I need to be active to do my best work. On Brintellix for a week. Only broken down once but still not as energetic
Did no one think, hey lets have a Blood test to prove its chemical?
Antidepressants treat the pain of depression, but they do not cure the feeling of guilt or treat the anguish of loneliness.
Antidepressants worsened my depression
Inequality is the root of all depression. The lesser the divisions of rich/poor , male /female etc will be, the better the deptessive situations will improve.
It's a gut issue. Gaba.....why else do they call the poison gabapentin etc.....we have been lied to for decades from cancer to colds.
Mushrooms is the answer 🙏
Probably.
A lot of different tools available. there's exercise, meditation, dealing with unresolved issues from childhood, learning boundaries and self esteem, self love and self parenting.
I've thought psychiatrist are there to throw medication at problems that need to be dealt with in the long run and aren't going to give immediate relief but sometimes medication is necessary. It depends on the person and the circumstances. If you have issues on urge people to work on them and not try and numb them out with prescriptions or drugs, food, sex etc but get to the reasons why you need to numb out.
@@brianwalsh1401 Life is a Dream 🌈I think you should do some DMT mixed with Love 🙏God bless everybody 👽🇺🇸
And of course pharmaceutical companies are paying him to push the new drugs for profit 📈 🙄
Medical Marijuana works for one of my friends.
@SkyNet General no it does not I'm smoking the and cigarettes since I'm 16 I'm 30 now so don't think so
It's all Medicinal........................
They should do sit-ups where the upper part of the abdomen is worked, with the legs raised and trying to touch the feet with the hands and its variants that work the upper part of the abdomen, they will see improvements quickly. That upper abdominal exercise will take away your depression and anxiety, it will also heal your mind...
thank you
So i did genetic testing and it shows my serotonin receptors are short. So now what?
Maybe depression is caused by to much serotonin did they ever think of that?
I feel depression is caused by a situation of suffering that (one feels) will never change or cannot be changed, but also has come to a place were it is unendurable. Anti-depressants seem to make a person care less- a temporary solution but not a good one. Natural endorphins are far better, and fitness is a secondary benefit.
I am a large muscular individual that got so from years of working out, because I realized early how it benifits the mind. However, I have noticed over the years, if you overdo it. It can result in not just soreness, but accompanied with mind fog and a short bout of depression for a day or two. Taking potassium before a hard work out can help lesson it.
@@rchurch2769 That's good advice- working out is followed closely by that endorphin rise, but it would make sense after there would be a drop, too.
What you’ve described is what we unofficially call situational depression. A person goes through hard times, experiences a loss etc and becomes sad, depressed. But this is a diff animal from true clinical depression. The difference? With “clinical depression” (another unofficial term), a person can experience it when truly nothing has or is going wrong in their life. There is no loss or trauma, no difficulty that led up to the depression. Or more accurately, any hardships they may have exp, are not correlated to their depression whatsoever. I’ll be the first to admit, we don’t understand what causes it or 100% how to treat it. Not even 90%. But to say SSRI’s make one care less, is inaccurate. Some of the older anti-psychotics definitely had this effect. But that’s honestly not what antidepressants do. I assure you, people that take SSRI’s, care & feel things intensely. So, although we don’t understand the exact mechanism, countless studies have shown they can be effective to help some w/depressive symptoms. All of this said, we’ve known for many yrs that treating depression is not as simple as taking an SSRI. There can be hormonal, endocrine, nutritional & other health probs that impact mood & depression. Not too mention, environment! And personally, I encourage anyone exp depression to find a good therapist. Often, therapy can do more than pharmaceuticals could ever dream of doing. In the end, it’s a personal decision. There is no one size fits all. And almost always, treating depression requires a multi-faceted approach, not simply taking a pill. Just my 2 thoughts. (More like 5-6 thoughts. Lol)
@@maryb6672 Thank you- that is good information. It could be, in my case, the course of medication prevented the situation from worsening, too. When medicine moves into the brain and it's effect on psychological factors, we are in very deep water, indeed. Your advice is very good about a sensible approach.
@@rchurch2769 No. You got depressed because you realized working out didn't just solve all your problems.
Men, be VERY careful of dating women who are taking Wellbutrin... especially if alcohol is consumed. Trust me, know what meds your female partner is taking and be cautious of Wellbutrin in particular.
Why are the medications to treat clinical depression so effective and popular then?
Prozac helped me a lot.........................
Yeah, Carrie Fisher wouldn't have chosen a Prozac pill urn for herself if she didn't appreciate the effectiveness of the medication. These types of medications can be really effective for some people.
They're actually not as effective as most people think:
They are only helpful for 40-60% of people.
They only cause remission of depression in 30-45% of people who take them.
Those rates are pretty low. That means that most people who take them either get no help or get some help and yet still have to live with their depression.
@@FleurPillager cool. Which part?
@@adayinforever Which part of what?
“We lost you there.” Right. That was the pharmaceutical company live editing his comments.
I honestly feel that chemical drugs are often inadequate and there needs to be a new approach
I believe TEAM-CBT is probably the best treatment for depression and anxiety out there right now. By the way they are doing beta tests and need volunteers for an app program for free. Good luck!
We have other neurotransmitters. Low levels of Dopamine are a real problem as well.They should test your
levels before prescribing SSRIs .Sadly ,the majority of doctors don't do this.
The worst thing is that some psychiatrics can prescribe you antipsychotics while you're not, just for the treatement of persistant depression and this type of medications is well known as a dopamine receptors antagonist, other thing is that having a lot of serotonin neurons in your brain decreases dopamine activity
@@Realgoatdebate I know.Not good
Is it possible to test for neurotransmitter levels?
@@Frobe8 It is.Victory Nutrition International has a very good one and very affordable. It's a saliva test.
@@Helen-mh8mq thanks! Will check it out