I loved the music of this particular episode. it sounded ancient and haunting. The french horns really added a punch to it also. A really beautiful music piece.
The only thing that annoys me after watching every season more than 10 times is the exhausting non stop intrusion of music including background mood music. It is exhausting to listen to. It never stops and is at the wrong pitch for my ears. Horrible episode after episode e
ST-TOS and ST-TNG were the original and evolution of The Great Bird of the Galaxy’s view on human society combined with adventure. They came across as genuine within their formats and framework. The next 3 series attempted further evolution.
it was such a great show. I loved it as a kid even though I didn't understand everything. As an adult I see it with a different perspective of course. It's even better now.
I miss good Star Trek. Sure, we have The Orville, but seasons of that show are far and few between. I love me some TNG clips on CZcams on the meantime.
Worf's reaction to the captain taking ownership of his ship's failure seems to give Worf a sense of admiration. Love that tiny little half-second detail.
Worf's reaction was one of bewilderment. Picard said the engines were intact, so the captain had no excuses.....if Worf had been captain of that ship, he would have given the order to prepare for *RAMMING SPEED* and taken out the enemy. Worf does not like the idea of his ship and his corpse being discovered 1,000 years down the line to be scrutinized by some alien race. Worf wants to be remembered 1,000 years from now in Klingon war songs passed down the generations honoring his glorious exploits in battle!!
And then he uses his telekinetic powers to make Gates McFadden's clothes fly off. She tries to cover up, but it's too late - he's already seen EVERYTHING.
I love how they spend less than five minutes on the ship, watch a short recording then Picard is all "Well that's it, nothing else to see here". I love the idea of finding and exploring a thousand year old derelect. Or the episode with Scotty and the crashed Jenolen and the Dyson Sphere. I get it, it's tv, but it would be cool to have seen more of those things
Well, not every TNG episode was ‘all good’… given the episodic pace (every episode starts more or less fresh) and short per-episode runtime made some sloppy writing inevitable.
The point of this scene is that they, chiefly Picard, realized they were essentially distubing a tomb of fellow space explorers who died valiantly. Respect and morality should have higher priority over your curiosity.
@@DoctorJammer Yours is a good example of “theme over substance”, where one tries to find deeper meaning in objectively sloppy writing by applying an arbitrary theme to it. This episode didn’t live up to its potential in many ways. But hey, it’s just a TV series from the last century. Nothing more, nothing less. Damnit Jim, these are explorers and scientists, not priests and undertakers 🥸
I like how Worf smiles approvingly and respectfully at the captain's final words, wherein he applauds the courage of his crew, takes sole responsibility for their fate, and wants it to be recorded for all time that his crew behaved courageously.
Season 3 was the last TNG season before showrunner Rick Berman introduced his rule that the music in the series had to be dull and inoffensive so as to not "overshadow" the action on screen. It's really a shame because as one can listen to here, music can add a lot.
He would be correct if this were a documentary but he was totally wrong here. The music in this season in particular helped elevate this show to another level.
I noticed that!. Afterward the theatrical music went away. When I go back and watch the older seasons there was so much more suspense and excitement. Rick got it waaaay wrong.
One of the best episodes of TNG with one of the worst endings. Given Picard's love for history alone, he would never have ordered the senseless destruction of this priceless artifact. Yes, there's a booby-trap, it's been there for a thousand years and the Enterprise appears to be only the second ship to fall for it. Leave a warning buoy in the area and allow Federation specialists to find a way to disarm the booby-trap.
Got to admit... I love the detail and the camera sweeps over that battle cruiser. Whoever made that model for the show, I think everyone was proud of it and wanted it shown off from every angle.
believe it or not this ship wasn't made for Star Trek. One of the effects team worked on a movie called "Night of the creeps". In the movie its shot upside down to here. If i remember correctly that builder took it home after both projects ( and DS9) were completed and still has it today.
@@shaundis2117 And the reason it was flipped was because the other side was completely undetailed. It was never meant to be seen from the top in Night of the Creeps so they left it completely "blank." For TNG they needed to see it from the "top" so they flipped the model. In a similar vein, if you look at the cover of the first TNG novel, "Ghost Ship", the titled ship is represented by a drawing of the original Battlestar Galactica but upside down.
This and Voyager were my favorite shows as a kid. I always enjoyed letting go of reality and letting Professor X & crew take my imagination for a spin.
Apparently it was scripted but not filmed that Promellian technology heavily influenced the starship technology used by the Federation. They adapted the same kind of console layouts, and even power distribution systems because they were so well designed that they were too good not to copy. Hence why the bridge on board the ancient ship was almost identical to ones used by the Federation, and why Warf was so familiar with the console.
There's a blooper reel containing a scene from this episode, when they're about to beam over to the other ship and an exasperated Picard asks everybody, "Good Lord, didn't anyone play with ships in bottles when they were boys?!" Worf says, "Klingons do not play with toys." Data is supposed to say, "I was never a boy," but in the blooper reel he says, "I never played with boys," and the whole set, including Spiner, busts up laughing.
@@StinkyGreenBud well, some things are always going to change. Television scripts are more colloquial now, they insist on lighting the outer space shots realistically instead of like it's in a studio, but ultimately I think it's got it where it counts.
first time I have ever heard of HD was in 1991. TNG material had been recaptured and visualy anhanced. You tube has matarial that compares the old vs the new improved materials.
Both a Star Destroyer and A Battlestar had Galaxy wide or inter Galaxy travel within weeks or months. Federation Starships could barely cover a 4th of a Galaxy in centuries with mainstream tech…..so basically the Enterprise would be somewhat limited to either ship.
"What an incredible find! A thousand-year-old alien battle-cruiser, with records and technology intact!" Barely three minutes later, never leaving the bridge: "Well, we've seen all there is to see here."
I got the impression that Picard kinda lost his enthusiasm after watching his counterpart's final log entry. Apparently quite a bit was known about the Promellians that no efforts were made to access the database or even walk through the ship.
After being left derelict for centuries in space , what would the temperature have been? Those Starfleet uniforms look fairly threadbare . Just asking for a friend.
@@michellebrown4903 , we're supposed to assume that somehow the vessel's gravity and life support systems were still fully functional. A far more realistic portrayal was seen in "One Small Step" where all of the atmosphere had leaked out and the ship's temperature was that of space.
@@spaceflight1019 - Yeah, I didn't even want to touch on the "desiccated" mummy-like corpses we're supposed to accept because of the "there's no decomposition in space" motif. But when you have a room temperature environment with an atmosphere still intact, I can't imagine the bodies would have still been that intact after a thousand years. Hell, I'm surprised they didn't walk into an entirely evolving, self-sustaining microbial ecology.
@@williamdaliege1016 everything else being equal, the Promellian crew could have been exposed to enough hard radiation from the assimilators that the ship was sterilized.
I enjoyed that bit where the music swells a little and Picard states "There's nothing left to see here." As a former archaeologist, he would probably love spending weeks combing through every inch of this relic. But suddenly, having the whole thing be made extremely personal as a result of the message, he is suddenly filled with an empathy and connection to a man who, despite the separation of centuries and light-years, is all too familiar to him. He now knows that he treads upon sacred ground, and it is best to step away for now...
When a man, a leader admits his failure and takes full responsibility for the lives of those under him who were lost then this man is deserving of honor. For the humble shall be exalted. But the proud shall be set down.
The instrumental theme song used in this segment of TNG is about the same one used in the 1980's Twilight Zone episode "Paladine of the Lost Hour" in season one played at the end of the episode. Music by Robert Dranin.
So glad I grew up with this series and remember hearing Majel Barrett-Roddenberry's voice-over “And now, for the exciting conclusion” lol They don’t make ‘em like they used to…N yeah I loved the soundtrack for this episode in particular. Those fading trumpets were dead on the money for a “haunting” situation. Excellent episode
At 47 sec onward, Riker looks at Picard as if he's nuts. "Centuries old" dried up skeletons, yet plenty of breathable air, and working electronic recorder...
Space is a great preserver. Unless something is interfered with, something floating in the vacuum of deep space would likely be preserved for centuries, if not millennia.
@@literallyanangrymoose7717This persons reply says it all. TayZonday 4 days ago An ancient battle cruiser with artificial gravity and an Earth-like atmosphere sustained for a thousand years! What a miracle!
The Smithsonian Air and Space Museum ran out of room so They built a second museum. A local museum got Boeing’s prototype 747 and 737 and a number of other historical aircraft, but they didn’t have a place to put them so they did the same.
@@spaceflight1019 I imagine the “So do You!” being said to Picard by Riker. Then Picard countering “I’m not that old Number 1, I may look it, but not that old yet.”
So, after a thousand years, there was still atmosphere in the ship breathable by humans (gotta love those common genes) and the gravity generators were still working. Gravity generators must be the simples and most robust technology ever created.
Depends on how the gravity is generated. Presumably it uses magnets to power some kind of local field. As long as the power source of the ship is in tact (and a modern nuclear power plant would easily still be functional 1000 years given the half-life of uranium) maybe they brought online remotely/by drone before beaming over.
This was one of the dumbest decisions Picard ever made. What threat. The Enterprise was the only other ship caught by the Booby trap in a 1000 years. No need to destroy the ship. Leave a warning marker and let Star fleet recover it later.
Part of Roddenberry's rules about the episodes being self contained. Why do you think there were so few two parters during Bergman's tenure as the show runner?
In theory you could have used a robot that uses reaction mass to extend a cable from a distance and attach to wreck. With cable attached, you can winch it out of the asteroid belt for further examination. Given Captain Picard’s interest in the field of archeology, the ending didn’t fit what was a decent story.
Assumption is the Federation has a salvage tug type vessel that would setup and do the tow. Enterprise would have to provide overwatch so that tech wasn’t stolen by another power. On active duty, we practiced doing a tow using the destroyer I was serving on with the help of a Military Sealift Command salvage master. An interesting learning experience.
Can't believe this episode came out almost 35 years ago,.. and I remember recording it on VHS so I could watch that episode as well as others over and over again. Bloody Hell I was such a nerd no wonder the cool kids didn't want me around 😜.
An abundance of thought provoking messages within these Star Trek episodes not realized at the time. Knowing what we know today, revisiting these episodes, they're not just some silly stories from a Sci-fi fantasy program. The messages contained within have greater meaning.
So much about this episode I enjoyed, but one part always bugged me. In the end they blow up the ship. They had figured out a way out of the trap, the ship could have been recovered. Then, studied by all those Star Fleet specialists in history, ship design, anthropology. The sort of thing that Star Fleet, as an organization dedicated to peaceful exploration, just loves to do. They could have sent for a science ship to return and place remote controlled, compressed gas thrusters to nudge the ship out of the trap. Same as the Enterprise did to escape. Now that I think about it, it would have made a terrific two-part episode! Oh well :)
One of my favs of TNG. But I agree with some of the other commenters. No way history buff Picard would destroy something so fascinating. I think there should have been more episodes centered on discoveries like this. I'd also like to see some re-visits of weird dangerous discoveries from all the Star Trek series. Like the Doomsday Device from the Original series. That would be a great tale in the Strange New Worlds series.
You can really see Picard's excitement fade when he hears it too. Hearing a reminder of the heavy responsibility on his shoulders and his empathy with a fellow captain really killed his excitement at the historical find. Great writing and acting.
Out of context... "Let's put a end to their last cry for help..." could be an epic villain quote..!! I love what you done with their voices especially at half speed
I just got one of those from Eaglemoss. In any case, I always wanted to see more of these civilizations. The Promellian/Menthar war would've been really interesting, since they were technologically advanced for their time (even Vulcans would've been barely warp-capable during that era, and the Borg didn't even exist yet), but their technology was still quite primitive by 24th Century Federation standards. Yet they managed to destroy a planet (presumably without crashing into it at warp). Since they don't talk about the weapons or such of either faction, I like to think that they each had something of a gimmick. The Menthar had the Aceton Assimilators, but the Promellians had something of their own. Neither used antimatter in their power plants, so that would seem to indicate that they didn't have the means to safely store it. But what if the Promellians figured out how to generate it quickly and cheaply? It still wouldn't be viable as a fuel because you still have to store it for the needs of the reactor...there's just no way to generate it on-demand at the proper ratios at all times, and they'd still have to contain it during injection, as well, and perhaps they couldn't. But what if they developed a device that utilized some quirk of quantum mechanics to instantly flip the charge of particles? If you could make it small and simple enough, it would be a pretty devastating bullet to lob at someone. And a lot safer ordinance, as well. As opposed to torpedoes that use antimatter, or just anything that traditionally goes "boom", you wouldn't have to worry about accidentally setting it off by looking at it the wrong way. As an active process, the risk of that would be considerably lowered. Not removed, but definitely lowered. The Promellian advantage would be to lob these things out of otherwise normal guns and have them proximity detonate very close to their targets. They'd be hard to dodge, almost impossible to intercept, and would do some pretty absurd damage. It would also explain how they destroyed a planet. How about this...what if the Hurq were a third race in the region, and weren't really part of the war, but were still caught up in it...but the Menthar and Promellians were too powerful for them to deal with...but when they wiped each other out, the Hurq went on a conquest-spree and that's when everything happened between them and the Klingons. The Hurq were conquerors, but with the Menthar's assimilators, and these hypothetical Promellians antimatter artillery shells, they wouldn't have been very powerful against either. The Hurq were pretty conventional in their tech and tactics, from what's been described. I think it would be cool to find that the Promellian ships are like the A-10 Thunderbolt IIs of Star Trek...absurdly tough and over-engineered to take a beating, even though they don't have shields. Maybe at some point, another galactic conflict breaks out, and the fleets of the Federation and its allies are getting stomped, only to have some new group roll up in a bunch of these things, and start bashing the snot out of whoever the enemy of the week is at the time. Having found a hidden Promellian shipyard, with a bunch of finished and nearly finished ships still in its berths, and then just tidy them up and roll them out for battle. Not advanced...but well-made and with advantageous gimmicks that modern enemies aren't prepared to cope with. Anyway...just some thoughts. Nothing canon.
I hated the ending to this, where they destroy the battlecruiser. They'd already deactivated the distress signal which was the actual lure to the trap, what they needed to do was drop a buoy/probe warning everyone who came nearby of the danger so, if some poor souls did come by for any reason, they'd at least know to avoid this particular part of the asteroid field, or frag, maybe all of it, this was just one trap that caught a ship a thousand years before, a still functional trap I might add, there are absolutely no guarantees that there aren't more further within the field. There was no need to destroy that battlecruiser after they'd already deactivated the distress call... they could have, in fact, eventually designed some probes with heavy thrusters attached to them to go inside the field, attach to the cruiser and slowly, carefully and safely navigate it out of the trap and bam, they've got the archeological find of at least the decade.
One of the weird Star Trek episodes where the crew casually beams aboard an unknown ship without EV suits XD But as far as I know, they didn't have the budget back then for EV suits until DS9 and the TNG movies came about
Hand waving EVA suits was super easily, barely an inconvenience in TAS. The away teams used force field belts that could maintain personal life support and even protect against radiation and vacuum. This could have been upgraded to be projected by the comm badges in TNG with a momentary static flash over the actors to indicate the activation of the otherwise invisible force fields. But instead we got the hand waves of the transporter screening out pathogens except when it doesn’t, and convenient earth normal gravity, atmosphere and temperature in all locations.
Brent Spiner,has got to be one of the best actors ever; on several episodes while in the role of Data the Android; he had me convinced that he really was an android!
Well acting without emotion is much easier than portraying emotions. However, I will say Spiner gave the absolute best portrayal of an android in tv and movie history so much respect to him.
2:30 "You'd expect a bridge layout of this era to be clumsy." For some unexplained reason, writers believed that there is some sort of universal timescale in which all civilizations develop. For all we know, an alien civilization that died out even hundreds of thousands years ago, when modern humans didn't even exist, could have been far more advanced than humanity of TNG. Aside from issues pointed out by others, like wearing no EVA suits on an unknown derelict ship or mummified corpses in the presence of breathable oxygen atmosphere, a very cool idea but poor execution.
It was Edward Elmer "Doc" Smith's ideas in his novels that influenced the design of the Combat Information Center and centralizing command and control onto one ship in a fleet. He came up with concepts in the 1930's that made sense and were adopted by the US Navy. That eventually influenced the organization of the Carrier Battle Group with CIC on an aircraft carrier surrounded by other types of ships for force projection or protecting the carrier. There's no reason to expect the bridge layout of any spacegoing warship to be "clumsy" for the species operating it. By the time they'd get to that level of technology it would be very likely they already had sorted out what works best for them in land and sea based combat and control.
Star Trek TNG is 30 years old and i still watch every episode such good simple futuristic ideas great writing and captivating stories Luckily back in the Bit Torrent days I downloaded the entire series and Voyager which was a close 2nd I didn't see all the episodes until 2017 while on vacation ........I really hate how squandered Season 2 of Picard was Q deserved a better storyline I wish they would do a new Time Current Main Star Trek 25 years after the end events of Voyager New technology slip stream being the main travel and warp as a back up Time ships New Ships definitely a New Enterprise and explore the Jhang Hey that Riker was on in season 1 of Picard Maybe Pick a new Captain either Laforge or Harry Kim or both and explore the 4 regions
Those were good old treck days, when you get sold by the episode in the first 5 minutes. No necessary drama, no pew pew lasers, just good mystery, or a problem that needed observation and clear thinking.
Even if it was 20000 years old there is no reason to assume that the technology is worse, equal or better, because every civilization will advance in their own speed and time in this universe.
I never did understand why they destroy the ship when they left? If they figured out how to get out of the trap... they could have just as easily relayed that to the ship coming too add it too the museum??? (That part did tick me off)
One of the recurring ticks in ST - and J-LP in particular- is the frequent amazement that ancient alien civilisations weren't somehow backward by virtue of having occurred in 'the distant past'. Why would an alien bridge be cuttered and inefficient just because it dates to Earth's 14th C? For the Promelians, this same period could have been their equivalent of the 35th C. As a xenoarchaeological enthusiast, Picard at least should recognise the fallacy. Another example of the humanocentric biases of the Federation, General Kang had their number!
The fact that the flaws of human nature were included in the scripts and seen in the human characters, is a part of what made the show. No human being is capable of being more than a human being. We understand a fair bit about our nature as a species and what makes us tick. Rodenberry's vision works because flaws add depth and believability. His wild imaginings of all of these races and worlds becomes convincing because he did not shy away from acknowledging the less appetizing aspects of who we are. Each of the different races of people in that universe are really just some aspect of ourselves taken to the Nth degree. Ferengi existed initially because we are repulsed by our own greed and they were a villain race. They were portrayed two dimensionally to establish the stereotype in the minds of viewers. Later, we're introduced to characters like Quark and his family. And while they are still greedy and this causes a lot of problems, we see another side to them. We see that they are capable of compassion and nobility, and we see that, ultimately, we are all the same. I could easily make examples using more traditional races like klingons and vulcans too. One is our rage and courage, our honor and our bloodlust. The other is our logical mind and intelligence, but also our apathy and our inability to love our whole selves. Each race exists as a form of shorthand for stereotypes. Then we have fun breaking them and watching character like Quark, Warf, and Spock grow beyond their limits. It gives us hope that we can do the same. It is one of the main reasons why people love these shows. So when you speak about the bigotry of low expectations we see in these characters, I think of how we ourselves look down on and dismiss our elders as primitive and backwards. I am reminded of every time I felt sad watching a beautiful old building being torn down and a new, soulless box rise to take its place and blight the landscape in the name of progress.
What's even funnier is... in earth's 14th century, our bridges weren't cluttered and inefficient. So even if you take as granted that all warfare began when earth discovered smelting bronze... it STILL doesn't make sense.
@@davemiller6055 I want to have them meet aliens that use a complete different bridge layout for the simple fact that their body plan is vastly different. And let the crew be confused why the aliens are having their ship so weirdly structures only for someone to say "hey, it works best for them, they would find our bridge equally odd"
I loved the music of this particular episode. it sounded ancient and haunting. The french horns really added a punch to it also. A really beautiful music piece.
I believe it was borrowed from the movie Patton
@@cropcircler I was going to say that the music reminded me a lot of the Patton soundtrack. “All glory is fleeting.”
it sounded 80's to me.
Ron Jones's Season 1-3 tracks are so memorable! I can't really think of any other shows since where I've been so caught by the music like TNG.
The only thing that annoys me after watching every season more than 10 times is the exhausting non stop intrusion of music including background mood music. It is exhausting to listen to. It never stops and is at the wrong pitch for my ears. Horrible episode after episode e
An ancient battle cruiser with artificial gravity and an Earth-like atmosphere sustained for a thousand years! What a miracle!
LOL. So funny
It’s called sci-fi for a reason…
I was thinking the same thing lmao. Idk why they wouldn't be over there in suits.
@@azakatura : surely they did an environmental scan before transporting to the ship.
You beat me to it! 😆
It makes me so happy that we are all enjoying TNG so much still. This video was posted 10 days ago and it already has half a million views.
Because the new star treks are a bit underwhelming.
ST-TOS and ST-TNG were the original and evolution of The Great Bird of the Galaxy’s view on human society combined with adventure. They came across as genuine within their formats and framework. The next 3 series attempted further evolution.
The impressive thing is that TNG still just _works_ as a show today.
it was such a great show. I loved it as a kid even though I didn't understand everything. As an adult I see it with a different perspective of course. It's even better now.
I miss good Star Trek. Sure, we have The Orville, but seasons of that show are far and few between. I love me some TNG clips on CZcams on the meantime.
"That ship belongs in a museum"...
Picard and Indiana Jones would have been good friends.
Yep. Worf shuts off the beacon transmission and inadvertently activated a self-destruct mechanism...
@@spaceflight1019Yeah- this episode is pretty much Raiders- haha
@@bhanson4917 Funny how all of those booby trapped asteroids were inactive until *after* Worf shut the beacon off.
@@spaceflight1019 It makes sense. Shutting off the beacon means that someone has boarded the ship, so the booby traps *then* go live.
Let me guess it ended up in an anonymous storage box in an undisclosed warehouse.
Worf's reaction to the captain taking ownership of his ship's failure seems to give Worf a sense of admiration. Love that tiny little half-second detail.
They didn’t try to run away and they died fighting. He’d see that as an honourable death.
He died with honor and like a Warrior ... With full responsibility and accountability
@@CorvoFG Actually they died with their ship helpless and their crew irradiated to death.
Worf's reaction was one of bewilderment. Picard said the engines were intact, so the captain had no excuses.....if Worf had been captain of that ship, he would have given the order to prepare for *RAMMING SPEED* and taken out the enemy.
Worf does not like the idea of his ship and his corpse being discovered 1,000 years down the line to be scrutinized by some alien race. Worf wants to be remembered 1,000 years from now in Klingon war songs passed down the generations honoring his glorious exploits in battle!!
@@hmartinspliff Ko plah.
I've always liked the "faded trumpets" in the soundtrack, very evocative of a war fought centuries ago.
I think Patton was a reincarnated Promelian.
@@hueyiroquois3839 Pretty sure the recording broke up when the Promelian captain said, "All glory is fleeting..."
All I could think of was Patton!
@@jamiestewart48 Yes!
Now, I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
Captain, we are receiving a subspace message from Admiral Ackbar.
“It’s a trap!”
It's a boobish chaaap!
Good one. 😂
Big Mistakey?
I... Would watch that
You see here, with ACTING, Patrick Stewert sells you on the rather simple and budget bridge layout made for this episode and makes it FASCINATING.
So right....i miss shows like this...nothing but crap on now
And then he uses his telekinetic powers to make Gates McFadden's clothes fly off. She tries to cover up, but it's too late - he's already seen EVERYTHING.
Exactly why DS9 was such a crock
@@Kavafy DS9 was meant to teach a different lesson. How can you defend yourself while maintaining your principles?
@@Kavafy Do you like DS9 or Voyager more?
Ancient derelict starships emitting distress calls. When has that ever turned out well in any sci-fi property?
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Funny that you should mention that...
that one time they saved Scotty... that's literally it...
Damn, I had vacation booked on LV-426 this month.
Blakes 7? Liberator wasn't putting out a distress signal though.
I love how they spend less than five minutes on the ship, watch a short recording then Picard is all "Well that's it, nothing else to see here". I love the idea of finding and exploring a thousand year old derelect. Or the episode with Scotty and the crashed Jenolen and the Dyson Sphere. I get it, it's tv, but it would be cool to have seen more of those things
I always took it that Picard sort of lost his enthusiasm after seeing the captains final message. Completely took the wind out of his sails.
Well, not every TNG episode was ‘all good’… given the episodic pace (every episode starts more or less fresh) and short per-episode runtime made some sloppy writing inevitable.
@@ElDuderino999 the writing strike didn't help
The point of this scene is that they, chiefly Picard, realized they were essentially distubing a tomb of fellow space explorers who died valiantly.
Respect and morality should have higher priority over your curiosity.
@@DoctorJammer Yours is a good example of “theme over substance”, where one tries to find deeper meaning in objectively sloppy writing by applying an arbitrary theme to it.
This episode didn’t live up to its potential in many ways. But hey, it’s just a TV series from the last century. Nothing more, nothing less.
Damnit Jim, these are explorers and scientists, not priests and undertakers 🥸
I like how Worf smiles approvingly and respectfully at the captain's final words, wherein he applauds the courage of his crew, takes sole responsibility for their fate, and wants it to be recorded for all time that his crew behaved courageously.
Yeah, he also glances at Picard like "that sounds like something he'd say"
Season 3 was the last TNG season before showrunner Rick Berman introduced his rule that the music in the series had to be dull and inoffensive so as to not "overshadow" the action on screen. It's really a shame because as one can listen to here, music can add a lot.
Word! 🖖❤️🖖
Wait, what? Is that true? That's terrible! Star Trek always had great music.
He would be correct if this were a documentary but he was totally wrong here. The music in this season in particular helped elevate this show to another level.
Yep,the music is by Ron Jones btw.He made also the music for the episode Best of both worlds.He was one of my favorite Star Trek composers
I noticed that!. Afterward the theatrical music went away. When I go back and watch the older seasons there was so much more suspense and excitement. Rick got it waaaay wrong.
To a 12 year old in 1989 this was the greatest show ever! That opening theme song had my ass marching up and down my room!!! So hyped.
Lucky
I was 7 then, the theme music still gets to me even now whenever I hear it. 😊
cool trivia: The theme for TNG was actually lifted from Star Trek The Motion Picture from 1979.
I was 12.
all the good ones started in 1990 and later
I was 8 when the original Star Trek was on.
One of the best episodes of TNG with one of the worst endings. Given Picard's love for history alone, he would never have ordered the senseless destruction of this priceless artifact. Yes, there's a booby-trap, it's been there for a thousand years and the Enterprise appears to be only the second ship to fall for it. Leave a warning buoy in the area and allow Federation specialists to find a way to disarm the booby-trap.
Exactly! I couldn't believe he of all people would just destroy it. That never felt like a true Picard moment to me.
he didn't order it. riker just assumed. must've been awkward post-episode lmfao
He did order it at the very end of the episode
Never miss an opportunity to blow stuff up.
I absolutely agree I was so mad at the ending it made NO SENSE
Got to admit... I love the detail and the camera sweeps over that battle cruiser. Whoever made that model for the show, I think everyone was proud of it and wanted it shown off from every angle.
Grant Imahara was among the props team.
believe it or not this ship wasn't made for Star Trek. One of the effects team worked on a movie called "Night of the creeps". In the movie its shot upside down to here. If i remember correctly that builder took it home after both projects ( and DS9) were completed and still has it today.
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@@shaundis2117 And the reason it was flipped was because the other side was completely undetailed. It was never meant to be seen from the top in Night of the Creeps so they left it completely "blank." For TNG they needed to see it from the "top" so they flipped the model. In a similar vein, if you look at the cover of the first TNG novel, "Ghost Ship", the titled ship is represented by a drawing of the original Battlestar Galactica but upside down.
This and Voyager were my favorite shows as a kid. I always enjoyed letting go of reality and letting Professor X & crew take my imagination for a spin.
I always love it when Picard gets to be the archeologist he always dreamed of being.
Destroying priceless artifacts...
Apparently it was scripted but not filmed that Promellian technology heavily influenced the starship technology used by the Federation. They adapted the same kind of console layouts, and even power distribution systems because they were so well designed that they were too good not to copy. Hence why the bridge on board the ancient ship was almost identical to ones used by the Federation, and why Warf was so familiar with the console.
Canon or not, this I fully accept absolute canon.
Canon or convenience....whatever, they are most likely reused set pieces.
@@charlie-obrien In this situation, it's both
good - it shouldn't have been in the script.
I completely headcanon this, would make plenty of sense.
There's a blooper reel containing a scene from this episode, when they're about to beam over to the other ship and an exasperated Picard asks everybody, "Good Lord, didn't anyone play with ships in bottles when they were boys?!"
Worf says, "Klingons do not play with toys." Data is supposed to say, "I was never a boy," but in the blooper reel he says, "I never played with boys," and the whole set, including Spiner, busts up laughing.
The good old Days of Star Trek when it still had Gravitas and a positive message for Humanity.
Strange New Worlds is great example of old-school Trek values
Of course it had gravitas, otherwise the actors would have drifted off the set.
@@kaicreech7336 I tried Strange New Worlds but still feels off.
@@StinkyGreenBud well, some things are always going to change. Television scripts are more colloquial now, they insist on lighting the outer space shots realistically instead of like it's in a studio, but ultimately I think it's got it where it counts.
@Troma It feels off because strange new worlds is just Discovery with a TOS aesthetic. Same substandard product in a shinier package.
It's genuinely impressive how well the visuals from this show have held up. This was almost 30 years ago.
Over 30 years ago: 1989
over 1,030 years ago.
That's the power of analog!
first time I have ever heard of HD was in 1991.
TNG material had been recaptured and visualy anhanced. You tube has matarial that compares the old vs the new improved materials.
Yeah, those rocks just floating motionless in space… so accurate… 🤦♂️
It would've been historic if the enterprise found a Star Destroyer, an ancient relic from a galaxy far far away.
Or a Battlestar ...
Both a Star Destroyer and A Battlestar had Galaxy wide or inter Galaxy travel within weeks or months. Federation Starships could barely cover a 4th of a Galaxy in centuries with mainstream tech…..so basically the Enterprise would be somewhat limited to either ship.
The look of reverence on Worf’s face is priceless.
"Admirable...they died at their posts."
Little did they know at the time, but the crew of the Enterprise nearly shared the same fate as that ancient warship.
"What an incredible find! A thousand-year-old alien battle-cruiser, with records and technology intact!"
Barely three minutes later, never leaving the bridge: "Well, we've seen all there is to see here."
I got the impression that Picard kinda lost his enthusiasm after watching his counterpart's final log entry. Apparently quite a bit was known about the Promellians that no efforts were made to access the database or even walk through the ship.
After being left derelict for centuries in space , what would the temperature have been? Those Starfleet uniforms look fairly threadbare . Just asking for a friend.
@@michellebrown4903 , we're supposed to assume that somehow the vessel's gravity and life support systems were still fully functional. A far more realistic portrayal was seen in "One Small Step" where all of the atmosphere had leaked out and the ship's temperature was that of space.
@@spaceflight1019 - Yeah, I didn't even want to touch on the "desiccated" mummy-like corpses we're supposed to accept because of the "there's no decomposition in space" motif. But when you have a room temperature environment with an atmosphere still intact, I can't imagine the bodies would have still been that intact after a thousand years.
Hell, I'm surprised they didn't walk into an entirely evolving, self-sustaining microbial ecology.
@@williamdaliege1016 everything else being equal, the Promellian crew could have been exposed to enough hard radiation from the assimilators that the ship was sterilized.
Picard is so in love with history and archaeology and then at the end of this one, he just blows up the ancient ship.
I am surprised the promeleaon battle cruiser still has power after over a 1000 years with out refueling
I enjoyed that bit where the music swells a little and Picard states "There's nothing left to see here." As a former archaeologist, he would probably love spending weeks combing through every inch of this relic. But suddenly, having the whole thing be made extremely personal as a result of the message, he is suddenly filled with an empathy and connection to a man who, despite the separation of centuries and light-years, is all too familiar to him. He now knows that he treads upon sacred ground, and it is best to step away for now...
When a man, a leader admits his failure and takes full responsibility for the lives of those under him who were lost then this man is deserving of honor. For the humble shall be exalted. But the proud shall be set down.
The instrumental theme song used in this segment of TNG is about the same one used in the 1980's Twilight Zone episode "Paladine of the Lost Hour" in season one played at the end of the episode. Music by Robert Dranin.
Full responsibility also entails giving up the benefits of the position. If only we had men or leaders in the modern era.
Brandon will never do
And despite that man being an Alien from a thousand years past...his perfect english should also humble us...
*Captain Picard:* Launch a class 2 probe to investigate the source of the signal.
_[From 5 minute episodes]_
So glad I grew up with this series and remember hearing Majel Barrett-Roddenberry's voice-over “And now, for the exciting conclusion” lol
They don’t make ‘em like they used to…N yeah I loved the soundtrack for this episode in particular. Those fading trumpets were dead on the money for a “haunting” situation. Excellent episode
Extraordinary…it looks just like the stargazer bridge.
The Stargazer, The Hathaway, Saratoga, etc etc
Budget for TV shows weren't much
Enterprise refit, D battle bridge, ETC
The Promellian ship itself is literally a recycled prop from the cult 80's movie 'Night of the Creeps'. They just flipped it upside down.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh…..
The days when we got 26 episodes a season, amazing.
"Belongs in a museum" . . . blows it up "to be safe" at the end.
I don't remember this episode. Which means... There still is a new one for me to watch, after all these years!
shocking the ships power lasted for 1000's of years when Starfleet vessels run out of fuel far sooner then that usually🤔
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue I guess its like your old Nokia handset compared to smartphones today
One of my favorite episodes...
At 47 sec onward, Riker looks at Picard as if he's nuts. "Centuries old" dried up skeletons, yet plenty of breathable air, and working electronic recorder...
routinely create enough energy to break the speed of light but highly durable media and environmental systems is unbelievable
Federation tech can't last a week without breaking down.
Space is a great preserver. Unless something is interfered with, something floating in the vacuum of deep space would likely be preserved for centuries, if not millennia.
@@literallyanangrymoose7717This persons reply says it all.
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An ancient battle cruiser with artificial gravity and an Earth-like atmosphere sustained for a thousand years! What a miracle!
He looks at Picard in many, many episodes... starring at the back of his skull. Strange stuff.
What a great find, I really like the design of the Promelian battle cruiser.
“This belongs in a museum.” That is one big museum, Picard.
I always channel the beginning of "The Last Crusade" and add "So do you!"
The Smithsonian Air and Space Museum ran out of room so They built a second museum.
A local museum got Boeing’s prototype 747 and 737 and a number of other historical aircraft, but they didn’t have a place to put them so they did the same.
@@FishKepr Udvar-Hazy is a wonderful place. The last time I was there was the day Discovery was welcomed into the museum.
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@@spaceflight1019 I imagine the “So do You!” being said to Picard by Riker. Then Picard countering “I’m not that old Number 1, I may look it, but not that old yet.”
So, after a thousand years, there was still atmosphere in the ship breathable by humans (gotta love those common genes) and the gravity generators were still working. Gravity generators must be the simples and most robust technology ever created.
Depends on how the gravity is generated. Presumably it uses magnets to power some kind of local field. As long as the power source of the ship is in tact (and a modern nuclear power plant would easily still be functional 1000 years given the half-life of uranium) maybe they brought online remotely/by drone before beaming over.
@@aptaylor75 Or maybe it's just a TV show and I shouldn't take these things so literally.
@@larrygilbert7273 Nah, it's a super dense molecule placed below the bottom of the ship which generates the gravity, when they aren't near a planet.
And not an ice box too.
And it was created with Fortran, LISP and COBOL....
“Admirable. They died at their posts.”
They had nothing better to do
They actually died watching CZcams after they lost engines.
Real Star Trek writing, a foreboding message and warning to our current leaders.
the captain f&#@ed up💀💀
This was one of the dumbest decisions Picard ever made. What threat. The Enterprise was the only other ship caught by the Booby trap in a 1000 years. No need to destroy the ship. Leave a warning marker and let Star fleet recover it later.
Unfortunately the writer's of the show had to do thing's on the cheap side.
Had to destroy the evidence of their own gullibility.
Like in all military blunders, first rule is CYA!
Part of Roddenberry's rules about the episodes being self contained. Why do you think there were so few two parters during Bergman's tenure as the show runner?
Or just send a low yield photon torpedo to take the trap out, since it’s a kinetic force explosion & not an energy weapon.
This is the place where the entire crew died. The old maritime tradition requires the destruction of such a vessel. U.S.S. Lantree anyone?
Man I have GOT to rewatch TNG. I haven't watched in many years and I forgot just how good it is.
In theory you could have used a robot that uses reaction mass to extend a cable from a distance and attach to wreck. With cable attached, you can winch it out of the asteroid belt for further examination. Given Captain Picard’s interest in the field of archeology, the ending didn’t fit what was a decent story.
Either that or you could just blow it up
How do you know the enterprise was built to tow a larger ship with a cable?
Assumption is the Federation has a salvage tug type vessel that would setup and do the tow. Enterprise would have to provide overwatch so that tech wasn’t stolen by another power. On active duty, we practiced doing a tow using the destroyer I was serving on with the help of a Military Sealift Command salvage master. An interesting learning experience.
NERDS!
Agree.
I detect shades of the music from "Patton" when they first beamed aboard.
I heard that too!
Yep. From the "ruins" scene where Patton visits an ancient battlefield.
How do we make the flashlights look more futuristic?
Remove the handles and make them uncomfortable to hold!
make them look like g4 cubes that's how🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Can't believe this episode came out almost 35 years ago,.. and I remember recording it on VHS so I could watch that episode as well as others over and over again.
Bloody Hell I was such a nerd no wonder the cool kids didn't want me around 😜.
"The meek are blessed, for they shall inherit the earth." And we have. :D
Yea my buddy and me would watch and record ea new episode
Cool kids are overrated.
An abundance of thought provoking messages within these Star Trek episodes not realized at the time. Knowing what we know today, revisiting these episodes, they're not just some silly stories from a Sci-fi fantasy program. The messages contained within have greater meaning.
This one clip is better than all new trek combined
Man I miss coseying up on the couch with little brothers at 5pm and watching the latest episode. Good Times.
So much about this episode I enjoyed, but one part always bugged me. In the end they blow up the ship. They had figured out a way out of the trap, the ship could have been recovered. Then, studied by all those Star Fleet specialists in history, ship design, anthropology. The sort of thing that Star Fleet, as an organization dedicated to peaceful exploration, just loves to do. They could have sent for a science ship to return and place remote controlled, compressed gas thrusters to nudge the ship out of the trap. Same as the Enterprise did to escape. Now that I think about it, it would have made a terrific two-part episode! Oh well :)
It could have been brought back in service and used in the Dominion wars.
One of my favs of TNG. But I agree with some of the other commenters. No way history buff Picard would destroy something so fascinating. I think there should have been more episodes centered on discoveries like this. I'd also like to see some re-visits of weird dangerous discoveries from all the Star Trek series. Like the Doomsday Device from the Original series. That would be a great tale in the Strange New Worlds series.
Perhaps they'd scanned it completely, and knew all there was to know.
I wasn't too pleased that this ship that 'belongs in a museum' got studies for 2 minutes and eventually got blown up by the Enterprise.
'We've seen all there is to see here'
Worf literally hasn't recorded their tactical displays like you JUST told him to.
Great episode and what the dead captain said was so eloquent.
You can really see Picard's excitement fade when he hears it too. Hearing a reminder of the heavy responsibility on his shoulders and his empathy with a fellow captain really killed his excitement at the historical find. Great writing and acting.
Good to see that the Promelian's made good use of MDF, all those years ago!
I like when episodes highlight Picard's love for archeology. He is almost childlike when he finds something that fascinates him.
Out of context...
"Let's put a end to their last cry for help..." could be an epic villain quote..!!
I love what you done with their voices especially at half speed
When Picard says the ship should be in a museum cut to someone 900 years in the future calling the Discovery a museum. 😂
I just got one of those from Eaglemoss.
In any case, I always wanted to see more of these civilizations. The Promellian/Menthar war would've been really interesting, since they were technologically advanced for their time (even Vulcans would've been barely warp-capable during that era, and the Borg didn't even exist yet), but their technology was still quite primitive by 24th Century Federation standards. Yet they managed to destroy a planet (presumably without crashing into it at warp).
Since they don't talk about the weapons or such of either faction, I like to think that they each had something of a gimmick. The Menthar had the Aceton Assimilators, but the Promellians had something of their own. Neither used antimatter in their power plants, so that would seem to indicate that they didn't have the means to safely store it. But what if the Promellians figured out how to generate it quickly and cheaply? It still wouldn't be viable as a fuel because you still have to store it for the needs of the reactor...there's just no way to generate it on-demand at the proper ratios at all times, and they'd still have to contain it during injection, as well, and perhaps they couldn't. But what if they developed a device that utilized some quirk of quantum mechanics to instantly flip the charge of particles?
If you could make it small and simple enough, it would be a pretty devastating bullet to lob at someone. And a lot safer ordinance, as well. As opposed to torpedoes that use antimatter, or just anything that traditionally goes "boom", you wouldn't have to worry about accidentally setting it off by looking at it the wrong way. As an active process, the risk of that would be considerably lowered. Not removed, but definitely lowered. The Promellian advantage would be to lob these things out of otherwise normal guns and have them proximity detonate very close to their targets. They'd be hard to dodge, almost impossible to intercept, and would do some pretty absurd damage.
It would also explain how they destroyed a planet.
How about this...what if the Hurq were a third race in the region, and weren't really part of the war, but were still caught up in it...but the Menthar and Promellians were too powerful for them to deal with...but when they wiped each other out, the Hurq went on a conquest-spree and that's when everything happened between them and the Klingons. The Hurq were conquerors, but with the Menthar's assimilators, and these hypothetical Promellians antimatter artillery shells, they wouldn't have been very powerful against either. The Hurq were pretty conventional in their tech and tactics, from what's been described.
I think it would be cool to find that the Promellian ships are like the A-10 Thunderbolt IIs of Star Trek...absurdly tough and over-engineered to take a beating, even though they don't have shields. Maybe at some point, another galactic conflict breaks out, and the fleets of the Federation and its allies are getting stomped, only to have some new group roll up in a bunch of these things, and start bashing the snot out of whoever the enemy of the week is at the time. Having found a hidden Promellian shipyard, with a bunch of finished and nearly finished ships still in its berths, and then just tidy them up and roll them out for battle. Not advanced...but well-made and with advantageous gimmicks that modern enemies aren't prepared to cope with.
Anyway...just some thoughts. Nothing canon.
I'd watch it!
tldr
Dude, you need a date.
@@davesmith9858 😀
@@davesmith9858 Not sure my wife would agree, but ok
This is still one of my absolute favorite Star Trek Episodes. I have rewatched it many times.
I miss the late 80's and early 90's really bad. Thank you for this.
Golden age of tv.
Imagine being on an exploration mission and finding a castle or ship from 1000 years ago and ordering it blown up .
You mean like ISIS and the Taliban?
"That ship belongs in a museum" spoken like a true Englishman :)
Or Indiana Jones... 😁
I hated the ending to this, where they destroy the battlecruiser. They'd already deactivated the distress signal which was the actual lure to the trap, what they needed to do was drop a buoy/probe warning everyone who came nearby of the danger so, if some poor souls did come by for any reason, they'd at least know to avoid this particular part of the asteroid field, or frag, maybe all of it, this was just one trap that caught a ship a thousand years before, a still functional trap I might add, there are absolutely no guarantees that there aren't more further within the field.
There was no need to destroy that battlecruiser after they'd already deactivated the distress call... they could have, in fact, eventually designed some probes with heavy thrusters attached to them to go inside the field, attach to the cruiser and slowly, carefully and safely navigate it out of the trap and bam, they've got the archeological find of at least the decade.
I love that a random 30 year old TNG clip gets more views than anything from the future.
This was a great episode. Loved how they demonstrated the common honor of the captains across the ages.
One of the weird Star Trek episodes where the crew casually beams aboard an unknown ship without EV suits XD
But as far as I know, they didn't have the budget back then for EV suits until DS9 and the TNG movies came about
Sensors showed that life support was working still so EV suits were not needed here everything intact power wise except lights.
They had them in TOS.
@@sora6748 not really, it's a really old ship so you'd expect there could be viruses or even a faulty life support system
@@captainbroady true, like the Earth vessel in "One Small Step".
Hand waving EVA suits was super easily, barely an inconvenience in TAS. The away teams used force field belts that could maintain personal life support and even protect against radiation and vacuum. This could have been upgraded to be projected by the comm badges in TNG with a momentary static flash over the actors to indicate the activation of the otherwise invisible force fields.
But instead we got the hand waves of the transporter screening out pathogens except when it doesn’t, and convenient earth normal gravity, atmosphere and temperature in all locations.
Brent Spiner,has got to be one of the best actors ever; on several episodes while in the role of Data the Android; he had me convinced that he really was an android!
Look up his small roles on the old 80s comedy “night court”. He’s freaking hilarious in them.
Well acting without emotion is much easier than portraying emotions. However, I will say Spiner gave the absolute best portrayal of an android in tv and movie history so much respect to him.
I didn´t recognize him first time I saw "Independence day", but as soon as I knew it was him, I could have hit myself.
Both he and Robert Picardo who played the EMH on _Star Trek: Voyager_ played really great roles.
Once aboard the Enterprise Picard goes on to say "thrilling absolutely thrilling "..love it
2:56 I'd be scared in case things started exploding, restoring power to a 1,000 year old ship!!! :(
Capacitors are gonna blow up, no doubt.
One thing I always liked about this show was the ambience..., surround sound was always fun.
Arrives at priceless relic. 5 minutes later "oh well let's go". Later still "oh just blow it up"
Wouldn't a ship with rotting corpses smell funny?
If they were rotting yes , but they have been dead for centuries, . Therefore they are dry & dessicated.
I enjoyed the over disrorted sound
Between the music and the awe Picard and Worf show, they really knew how to make this thing seem almost like something straight out of ancient myth.
Not only the body language, but Warf just just exuded the utmost respect for that crew - THIS is what I fell in love of this series!
2:30 "You'd expect a bridge layout of this era to be clumsy."
For some unexplained reason, writers believed that there is some sort of universal timescale in which all civilizations develop. For all we know, an alien civilization that died out even hundreds of thousands years ago, when modern humans didn't even exist, could have been far more advanced than humanity of TNG.
Aside from issues pointed out by others, like wearing no EVA suits on an unknown derelict ship or mummified corpses in the presence of breathable oxygen atmosphere, a very cool idea but poor execution.
Yeah a little exposition by the characters could have gone a long way.
Hollywood wrote it and just like today they want to destroy the history of an ancient culture!!!!!
The writer(s) probably don't have 401k or company healthcare to be bothered by such triviality
It was Edward Elmer "Doc" Smith's ideas in his novels that influenced the design of the Combat Information Center and centralizing command and control onto one ship in a fleet. He came up with concepts in the 1930's that made sense and were adopted by the US Navy. That eventually influenced the organization of the Carrier Battle Group with CIC on an aircraft carrier surrounded by other types of ships for force projection or protecting the carrier.
There's no reason to expect the bridge layout of any spacegoing warship to be "clumsy" for the species operating it. By the time they'd get to that level of technology it would be very likely they already had sorted out what works best for them in land and sea based combat and control.
You find mummified corpses in breathable oxygen atmosphere on Earth... as long as the moisture is low enough.
A relic, and a warning of what Scorched Space will do to a race.
Did I plan to spend my afternoon watching Star Trek? No but, that's definitely what I'm doing now. :)
Star Trek TNG is 30 years old and i still watch every episode such good simple futuristic ideas great writing and captivating stories Luckily back in the Bit Torrent days I downloaded the entire series and Voyager which was a close 2nd I didn't see all the episodes until 2017 while on vacation ........I really hate how squandered Season 2 of Picard was Q deserved a better storyline I wish they would do a new Time Current Main Star Trek 25 years after the end events of Voyager New technology slip stream being the main travel and warp as a back up Time ships New Ships definitely a New Enterprise and explore the Jhang Hey that Riker was on in season 1 of Picard Maybe Pick a new Captain either Laforge or Harry Kim or both and explore the 4 regions
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This is one of my favorite Episodes of TNG!
One Of My Favorite Episodes
The best outtake.
Stewart: "Didn't anybody else play with ships when they were boys?"
Dorn: "I never played with bo-"
Those were good old treck days, when you get sold by the episode in the first 5 minutes. No necessary drama, no pew pew lasers, just good mystery, or a problem that needed observation and clear thinking.
Nothing will top Cause and Effect for pulling you in to a story at the get go.
@@philipbergmann519 Oh yea, that was an opening to remember and a moment WTF? at the begining ^_^
The ending was sad , They really could have save that ship but rather then post a warning bouy they chose to blow it up . .
If you could only fire off fireworks once every light year, you would have used a photon torpedo yourself.
despite the federations advancement in technology, a flashlight is still being used
At the 2:55 mark, Picard shouts "THERE ARE 4 LIGHTS!!!"
l like how all ships they beam onto have gravity
And Breathable air and heat/air conditioning and safe air pressure...lol!
And how they always speak Amercian English!
This show is so good for testing subwoofers.
I think that's just the uploader avoiding the auto takedown.
The fading trumpets are from the movie "Patton" where Patton was on a Carthaginian V Rome battlefield.
I love the whole idea of space-archaeology, making this one of my favorite episodes of TNG.
Even if it was 20000 years old there is no reason to assume that the technology is worse, equal or better, because every civilization will advance in their own speed and time in this universe.
I never did understand why they destroy the ship when they left? If they figured out how to get out of the trap... they could have just as easily relayed that to the ship coming too add it too the museum??? (That part did tick me off)
Bones would have gone searching for a liquor cabinet.
This would be like finding a perfectly preserved ship from the norman conquest complete with a bunch of documents.
It would need years of study
Still can’t believe Picard blow this up without a 2nd thought. At the end of the episode. After they left the minefield.
He could not stay there until another federation vessel got there. To study and secure it.
One of the recurring ticks in ST - and J-LP in particular- is the frequent amazement that ancient alien civilisations weren't somehow backward by virtue of having occurred in 'the distant past'. Why would an alien bridge be cuttered and inefficient just because it dates to Earth's 14th C? For the Promelians, this same period could have been their equivalent of the 35th C. As a xenoarchaeological enthusiast, Picard at least should recognise the fallacy.
Another example of the humanocentric biases of the Federation, General Kang had their number!
I'm always disappointed when cisco tells dukat "I'll keep the dog off your lawn" and he doesn't respond with "you will keep the what off my what???"
The fact that the flaws of human nature were included in the scripts and seen in the human characters, is a part of what made the show. No human being is capable of being more than a human being. We understand a fair bit about our nature as a species and what makes us tick. Rodenberry's vision works because flaws add depth and believability. His wild imaginings of all of these races and worlds becomes convincing because he did not shy away from acknowledging the less appetizing aspects of who we are. Each of the different races of people in that universe are really just some aspect of ourselves taken to the Nth degree.
Ferengi existed initially because we are repulsed by our own greed and they were a villain race. They were portrayed two dimensionally to establish the stereotype in the minds of viewers. Later, we're introduced to characters like Quark and his family. And while they are still greedy and this causes a lot of problems, we see another side to them. We see that they are capable of compassion and nobility, and we see that, ultimately, we are all the same.
I could easily make examples using more traditional races like klingons and vulcans too. One is our rage and courage, our honor and our bloodlust. The other is our logical mind and intelligence, but also our apathy and our inability to love our whole selves. Each race exists as a form of shorthand for stereotypes. Then we have fun breaking them and watching character like Quark, Warf, and Spock grow beyond their limits. It gives us hope that we can do the same. It is one of the main reasons why people love these shows.
So when you speak about the bigotry of low expectations we see in these characters, I think of how we ourselves look down on and dismiss our elders as primitive and backwards. I am reminded of every time I felt sad watching a beautiful old building being torn down and a new, soulless box rise to take its place and blight the landscape in the name of progress.
What's even funnier is... in earth's 14th century, our bridges weren't cluttered and inefficient. So even if you take as granted that all warfare began when earth discovered smelting bronze... it STILL doesn't make sense.
It's just a lazy writing way of trying to make the Promelians seem admirable and impressive. Writers often sacrifice logic for ease of writing.
@@davemiller6055 I want to have them meet aliens that use a complete different bridge layout for the simple fact that their body plan is vastly different. And let the crew be confused why the aliens are having their ship so weirdly structures only for someone to say "hey, it works best for them, they would find our bridge equally odd"
One of my favorite episodes!!! We get to see Picard's prowess behind the com. It even intrigued Data.
I love the way that the ops officer just gets up and walks away as Data approaches.
Such a great episode!