How often bodybuilders use steroids | Peter Attia & Derek MPMD
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This clip is from episode 274 - Performance-enhancing drugs and hormones-risks, rewards, & broader implications for the public
In this episode, Peter is joined by Derek, the entrepreneur behind @MorePlatesMoreDates and an expert in molecules commonly used and misused by bodybuilders and athletes.
In this clip, we discuss:
- Why bodybuilders still take testosterone
- How often bodybuilders are on steroids throughout the year
- How bodybuilder’s navigate their drug usage
- How many bodybuilders require surgery for gynecomastia
- And more
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only took like 15 secs into the video for derek to drop a supraphysiological
and it was supercalafragalistic
Expialadotious dorsi
It was like 1:15
Lol
The bro science final boss
😂😂😂
Genius
It took me a second to get that. 😂😂😂.
My comment is not funny.
Here it is.
You are very funny.
That can’t be a one-off. You’re just funny.
Well…two Canadians have one of the best performance podcasts ever. Despite an incredibly polar approach to their careers this was an absolute delight to listen to. Both learned and validated an incredible amount of knowledge with my final tally that I’d definitely hit up Derek first for Test therapy potential but run it by Attia if I have time. Thanks!
To complete Derek's answer to his last question is.... coaches.
The bodybuilders get coaches who know and have a lot of experience with the drugs, responses, combinations, etc. One single guy can't see the broad picture because he doesn't know or is not paying attention to what everyone else is taking, he only sees his response, and doesn't always have the education and knowledge. So yeah... they don't always know much. Their coaches do. They get great results. Usually much better than their coaches and most regular folks........
some coaches kill their clients though and shouldnt be responsible for designing a cycle
I've seen more coaches with zero scientific knowledge and designing cycles and protocols with pure bro science.... More than you think, you'd all be very surprised how ignorant the vast majority of these "Coaches" are
Well said.. I totally get what you're saying
@dontbetreadin4777 yeah but I'm talking about good coaches. You vam be a BAD anything... a bad coach gives you bad advice in general. A good coach gives you good advice... when a good coach knows about gear... then he'll give you good advice on gear.
get a doctor, the coach is the wrong answer
I friend I know ran everything under the sun for 4 years. He tapered by doing 6 months of 100mg TRT, then used hcg for 3 months, then just 1 week of clomid titrating from 50/25/12.5mg. He has had two children, and has a decent natural looking physique and says will never go on again.
Seems like recovering is just something you have to do and deal with
@@Bluewater333 white
So is he totally off now? No trt at all? Whats his test level now?
@@HansLotap he hasn't gotten bloods, said why worry about it if his gains are as good as they were naturally and he can father children. Has no issues with fatigue or anything. I asked him a list of supplements and this is what he said:
"Nootropics depot is where I get most of my stuff and would recommend their quality. I use tongkat Ali, cistanche, tribulus, boron, pomegranate extract, zinc, shilajit, and magnesium as my main T boosting supplements. There's really good evidence for all of them. I rotate them around cycle them but I'm not neurotic about it. Maybe I'll go a few weeks without taking one or the other or even a month. Sometimes I'll take them all everyday for a few weeks.
My other T boosting routine is using a red light therapy device on my balls (and I'm careful not to heat my boys) I do this 15-20 minutes a day at night 3-5x a week. I contribute this as the biggest reason for getting my wife pregnant twice so far.
I also ice my balls 3-5x a week as well for 30-90 minutes. I often do this before the red light in a infrared sauna so theyre cold before the red light and it knocks out two to three birds with one stone"
were his kids female?
male@@jwilli726
I’m natural but still watching these videos on anabolic just being curious. It seems so complicated and scary at the same time (and expensive for sure) side effects like gyno around the corner. that really put me off of taking any.
I feel the same, the more I learn the more I want to stay away lol
Gyno is preventable and not a mystery. It doesn’t just happen. When you use excess test or other estrogen building drugs, you have to also moderate that with a something that lowers it.
Anyone going beyond TRT should have these on hand at all times. It’s a certainty that estrogen will go up on certain drugs. So you prepare for that.
It’s like any drug. Take too much of it, take stuff randomly, and it will burn you. Abuse it and suffer.
These drugs are incredibly powerful. Most people can look incredible on reasonable doses for decades. But people are morons. They figure if x amount is good, 2x is better. Or 4x. But it’s not because there is diminishing returns and side effects. 4x isn’t as good. You get the same muscle with more sides and problems.
Drugs are drugs. They can be used with discipline or they can be abused. Diuretics can be used daily for years as a blood pressure drug, or they can be megadosed and fry your kidneys.
The horror stories you hear are due to morons who gobbled up random gear without any coherent idea or plan of when and why they were doing what the my were doing and just wanted to get big fast.
Same. Im also natural. Im scared of having tons of pimples and a possible gyno thats why until now i havent done a cycle.
I honestly can’t imagine a normal person spending the time money and risk on this stuff what a crazy world
@@joelyfpv7075Stay clean. They are harmful and can be addictive. There’s a lot of pride in being natural.
Derek knows his shit. Much respect. I hear you talking about water tension. That makes me believe you're not sure about DHT or 19 nore.
I was on for 9 years straight in 20s came off and now I’m in the low 300s at 43 (be 44 in Jan)
holy shit! Well done good sir. May those continue to rise for you!
Do you regret it or was it worth it for you?
This was a very interesting and well executed interview.
I was surprised how quickly I recovered from 5 years of TRT with HCG.
How did you recover from TRT if you had low testosterone before taking TRT? It’s impossible
@@scraggs11 Recover in terms that my body went back to its base line of 300-350. Sometimes I will test out in the high 200's. I stopped TRT because no matter where we got my levels (500-1000) I felt no difference. I had no more energy, sex drive, or mental strength. However by the six month and going forward I starting getting TRT side effects. My blood was way thicker, I had bad back acne, and my PSA numbers went up 3 tenths, not to bad but it was rising. I also started having issues with my cells taking up iron. I would have gladly dealt with the sides if I was feeling better, but like I said I felt NO difference.
Ill stick to being natural and just being a big fat strongish guy
lol. I’m shooting to be the slight chubby strongish guy
I started with 500mg a week of test P and 50mg of dbol a day to get it jump started. Starting today I'm going 500mg test C a week and dropping the dbol and switching to 75mg tren A per day. Then 6 weeks of oral winni on top at the end of the cycle.
200mg a week of tren is more than enough
Why do I keep thinking Derek is looking more and more like a jacked Ricky Gervais ?
He’s just aging rapidly
@@Freedom-dq7tl His face balloons out when he bulks. You see phases of it.
19 nore is not that estrogenic, but when combined with testosterone the progesterone goes up and it duplicates estrogen. Personally I feel better with elevated estrogen. That's just me though
I knew a bodybuilder who died at about 35. I was only 18 at the time and that's when I knew his look was unachievable naturally. I didn't keep lifting, instead I got into endurance sports which my body type was made for.
What was his name?
you could have just kept lifting and not taken a bunch of drugs
@@user-kz6wk6wy5l Van Nguyen out of Oklahoma City.
@@aduantas lifting for me was just vanity after high school. I was quite strong for my weight 145 while benching 245, but eventually I knew it wasn’t my thing. I don’t begrudge anybody doing anything they love to do.
@@emersonblake7 fair enough
Hop in the Supra(physiological) and ride!
Testosterone is the backbone of every cycle.
Yes. It is the alpha hormone.
It just makes me fatter.
high ApoB (LDL) with low C Reactive Protein and a low A1C, sustainable without arterial blockage???
ApoB has a correlation with LDL, but it is significantly stronger with Remnant Cholesterol. Are you asking about whether Keto gives CVD?
@@iblisthemage my intended question is specifically under the following conditions where: apoB is High, C-Reactive Protein is Low, A1C is low.... Does apoB still maintain the usual degree of high degree of risk of cardiovascular disease
@@theroofstore Yes. Apo B is bad. CRP tells if you have an inflamed state in your body, hba1c indicates average level of blood sugar the last 3 months, so whether you are in the insulin resistant spectrum.
Abo B gives a stron indication for CVD.
The most efficient way to bring down Apo B is to avoid carbohydrates in your food. Use a food tracker, keep it below 20g/day. I prefer low carb high protein, but others prefer low carb high fat (Keto).
You should talk to your physician about getting a rosuva statin as well.
@@iblisthemage Thank you for your reply. Much appreciated!
Wish there was a simple and proven safe way to get 1/3 of the benefits without any of the side effects.
Deer Antler Velvet + Collostrum
SARMS like Ostarine are pretty safe. It was developed for cancer patients and the required PCT is minimal.
What side effects?
@@iblisthemage sexual side effects, gynecomastia, high blood pressure and cholesterol, hair loss, etc
@@oldmedstudent1750 I am on 190 mg Test Enanthate/week (daily injections). My hair has never been thicker, I have no gyno, my blood preassure is perfect, and I have a very low remnant cholesterol. And I have a healthy libido, I would say it is like I was early thirties. I have had my kids, so I don't worry about fertility, which is the real side effect, but I take 250 IU of HCG pr day to counter testicular atrophy, as well as to support LH-adrenal pathway of neurosteroidal production.
The thing is, it is not the molecule, it is the dosing. People that die from taking testosterone typically take GRAMS pr week, they often combine it with large amounts of HGH, and some even add insulin. They overeat thousands of kcal pr day, and they have periods where they reduce their body fat percentages to sub-5% for competitions.
TRT has in a study shown to correlate with a lowering of all cause mortality over a period of 8 years. A single study, etc etc.
Testosterone is an essential molecule for men and women (and women actually have more Testosterone than they have Estrogens, fun fact). In a world where we live to 80+, it is horrific to see the demonization of this molecule.
The quality of life it has given me, including the motivation and ability to sustain a healthy life style, the mental fortitude and optimism, and just sheer basic good mood, is essential for me now. I am no longer a tired middle aged man. I am a hybrid of a middle aged man, and my younger self, both in body and mind. And I would gladly give up the last 10 years of my life, for 10 years like this, compared to the life I had before.
I happen to have read a good part of the litterature (which is not much) on exogenous Test for men. No men die from these doses, lets say sub 200 mg. Lets be clear, 200 mg is not bodybuilder dose, but it is not pure replacement either. We call it "TRT+", or "sports-TRT". If you do it right (for that insight you should probably watch about 50 of Dereks videos, and none of Dr. Attia, which I am a big fan of, but he knows very little about TRT), you will be able to navigate the pitfalls of TRT/+.
Oh, and my physician is very impressed with my bloodwork. He believes I am healthier than 99% of the population my age. 5 years ago I was overweight and had difficulty walking, deep into metabolic syndrome territory. It is not TRT alone that has fixed that, but it is a big part of it.
So... that is why I asked what side effects. Because the side effects of taking exogenous hormones (right) is happyness, health, confidence, and ultimately (for me), the ability to give my children and my wife the love I think they deserve from me.
Peter asked some really good questions.
Everyone reacts to steroids differently. It's funny how you say "Wonder why more people don't die from steroids" or saying its undocumented. Everyone choices there poison. Fast foods, no excerise, other drugs. But there are so many gusy out there like me that take the test and other steroids to stay in great shape and use in moderation to stay even healthier and feel better. There is so much talk about steroids and what it doesn but it reacts to everyone so different. I'm 50 years old. Feel better than ever! Been on test and tren straight for over 20 years and never felt better.
The Internet fear mongering of anabolics has reached epic proportions. Similar to what happened in the late 80s/early 90s when they were scheduled by the government. The studies showing hormone use causes premature death do not exist, the piles of bodies do not exist and never have. Here we are 80 years after test was synthesized and still zero evidence of increased mortality in comparison to the normal population
There should be subtitles to explain what Derek is saying 😂 Just kidding lol but damn how he can remember all that i will never know. Absolutely remarkable MPMD 🙌🏽
he learned it
He definitely needs subtitles. Is his fucked up voice a result of gear?
Typical to see Blasts of 2Grams Test a week with 1Gram Deca, 200 to 500 Tren week for part of the cycle then cruise at 200 to 400 a week, Many take far more than this. The late 90's this would be considered a lot, things really changed after 2005.
wow these dosages are insane
2grams of test a week is really high to sustain even over 4/5 weeks. It’s alot. I can see people using it at that dose for 2-3 weeks but that’s about it
why so much test, cause otherwise it'd get "out-muscled" by "the gear" where you don't want to?
@ To keep estrogen levels in check and also probably cause its cheapest and seems to be pretty tolerable by the body, so it can be used in high doseages without huge sides if everything done correctly. I must mention, that these type cycles are common among people who just do what bros tell or have been using for a long long time. For a first cycle, one should only use test and start at a level where you can see how you tolerate it, so around 300mg/wk or smt
@@user-ch5ym4cd6qlol meanwhile chase irons has been on 5g of test all year
So when we hear the term 'blasting & cruising' this just refers to high dose, low dose!
Yep… today it’s called blasting and cruising ( using a lot-blasting and then back off or cruising) They do not stop to give the body a break like old days 8 weeks on them 8 weeks off. It’s so unhealthy today in this sport. No one wants to loose a single gain in the off season so they just do not stop! So deadly long term.
'Sport?" A bunch of goofballs injecting themselves with christ knows what all fcking year round? It's turned into a battle of the syringes. The golden age of bodybuilding is where its at for sure.
I wish @vigoroussteve was on here to complement Derek with coach-knowledge
He's great. The episode with Leo, Steve and Bostin is so rich with info its absurd.
If the purpose of a "test base" is to replace estrogen and all the other downstream hormones testosterone provides, why do bodybuilders run it so high? Couldn't they take their EQ and their Deca and their Winstrol on an actual replacement dose of 100 mg of test instead of the 500 mg of test so many people run and experience way fewer side effects?
Because high test is healthier than the other anabolics and the more test you take, the more gains you can make. Theirs a study I think that a university in California did where the strength gains were linear to the proportion of testosterone used.
I only take around 100 to 120mg of test a week and around 12mg of oxandrolone a day. Ive noticed slight increase in strength and muscle mass, but my balls definitely shrunk. So all in all, i haven't really been pleased, and it's kind of a waste of time and money at these low dosages.
Then try bumping your dose. Try 200mg and do bloodwork while on 200. To see if your levels are still in check.
That low of a dose you basically replaced your natural testosterone level for the same synthetic level. Try 300 mg a week. That will put you high enough to gain muscle but not do harm
Does Peter ever let Derek finish an answer or does he cut Derek off every time?
Peter needs to chill. He's too concerned with sounding smart
He cut him off once to ask for clarification, seemed fine to me
this is an edited video. it looks like he was cut off, but they likely just cut out some bits of dialogue that were unclear or fumbled, ie stuttering or misspeaking.
Who’s the best online doctor to get PED’s from talking credibility, results and price
I am a total fan of Derek MPMD, and of Dr Peter Attia.... but I cannot help but wonder how Dr Attia feels about talking with Derrick about these complex conditions and medical data with somebody who has no formal education about this stuff... I know Derek knows his stuff because IU've been following him for awhile and I even have taken his advice! but! He is all self taught and the Dr has many years of study and formal education so I can't help but wonder, ya know? Anybody else agree, or no? PLEASE NO HATE AS I SUPPORT BOTH OF THESE GUYS!!!!
I think the most important thing you learn in school is how to continue to study by yourself for the rest of your life. Some don't need university to learn how to do it.
I concur!
Let’s do some studies. I’ll sign up
Thanks for education
Body dysmorphia gone rampant.
Where the hell do people get these drugs?? Its not like there is a shady guy in a raincoat sitting in a corner at my gym?
The internet mostly
Shady guy in a raincoat?
That statement made my day!
You need the shiny guy in a tank top.
@@TheKlikRock you know I did walk up to the shiny looking guy with the bulging muscles. But he turned out to be gay and interpreted my intentions in a slightly different way.
@@jurgen9568chicken, broccoli and cock?
What kind of tool has watch pictures?
Hi, I have a question which i cannot find answer to anywhere.
I am on gear for some time cycling and comming off or cruise, diferent compounds top doses around 2000mg/w total anabolics. Now could this efect my girlfriends hormone level somehow, she did experience some dht like sideefects and her mood is a bit on edge. I dont want to keep taking anything that could cause harm to her. Could you please make a video?
Thank you
Great content
How is your intake of juice going to affect your Mrs?
To avoid ur GF hormones getting out of balance you should let a natural semen her up in between to be 100% sure
Why anyone would risk their health for something stupid like this is baffling.
Insecurity
TRT improves life expectancy. Muscle Monster era body builders die like flies. The difference between 175mg/week and thousands of mg a week
@@iblisthemage It can kill you, increase risk of cardiovascular disease and make you infertile permanently. The exception to this MIGHT be if someone is chronically low on testosterone despite doing all the right things. Great, TRT isn’t as bad as smoking crack.
@@iblisthemage Lol no it does not, I can guarantee any study showing that is not controlling for factors like physical activity, diet, chronic illness or lifestyle patterns.
I can see it for an aestheticly nice body but pro level bodybuilders look terrible. Back in the day they looked like an exaggerated version of good but nowadays it's like WTF, you did that on purpose?
If one is thinking about juicing (Deca or Anabolics) and is prone to Gyno. What would one take to stop/limit the gyno?
Aromasin or raloxifiene
I used tamoxifen but this was 10 years ago, I'm sure there is different products now
@@unclebucket4918yep still around. Nolvadex is the brand name now.
I'm a bit disappointed they didn't discuss Testosterone Undecanoate (Nebido is the brand name) for TRT as it's considered by far one of the best formulations for that use. Once every 2 weeks and the T levels stay rock-solid.
Most doctors prescribe it once every 8+ weeks
trt is for soyboys and closet clowns. Real MEN will never compromise their nuts for muscles.
expensive af. I used it with prescription, Once every 6 weeks. For half a month. Took a bit long to have an effect on me, and didnt increase the test that much. went from 300 to 400 and free test from 7 to 9
@@vladmatos634 Once every 6 weeks is too spaced out. I'm doing 350mg every 2 weeks and my values are finally stable and in the upper range. But yeah, it's super expensive (100+/mo)
@@vladmatos634omgggg...that is so not worth it. Thank you for the feedback but damn...I do daily micro dosing of test-depot originally by Phizer but had to switch suppliers through my pharmacy because of deal that they both can't come to on price. Regardless daily micro injection of .2ml keeps the levels rock solid and zero side effects. Helps with everything positive and seriously have no bad effects. I believe it's because there are highs and then lows. The levels stay constant.
I also take a t3/t4 combo along with 100mg DHEA sustained release.
I was told you can't cycle off of nandrolone and tren because the metabolites last significantly longer, is this true?
Tren ace leaves your system pretty quick. Not deca though, much longer.
@@jeffersonprice3800 how long?
No
Depends on which ester
"there arent more healt consequences"... well.... the average lifespan for random joe bodybuilder eating all the roids is 55. so there is that. Working with law enforcement in a country where any type of PED is illegal, ive been doing this for some time. We are on the 4th generation of users at this point. There is always a swarm/surge of new gymgoers when all the dudes and bro´s hit their early 20s or there abouts. A bunch of them will hit the power juice and at this point the first lot out of that gate near 20 years ago now. Not a single one is a healthy middleaged man. Not a single one is now in good shape nor do i think they could be. Several are also dead.
Id say the consequence of random abuse of PED´s comes with grave problems. Most people never attain the understanding of what they are doing. Most people cant afford it even if they do. One actual problem of it being illegal is also that alot believe they are gonna get into issues with the law if they seek help. which they wont.
Pelagos 39, nice. 👍
Everyday
I'm glad i don't juice anymore. What's the point
hmmm....I know some of these words
Does anyone else have Derek’s knowledge about anabolic-androgenic steroids??
Todd Lee Md IFBB pro is beyond Derek
@@JoshuaKevinPerry Thank you. I’m going to check him out.
What is hcg?
Chewing gum
Is all of a man's estrogen from aromatization or is some produced directly?
All
Stay natural like Alleister Nash. He is the real liver king
I can smell the endothelial dysfunction and the hypertension and the concentric hypertrophy of the left ventricle. 😂
Careful
02:39 Maybe it's HIGHER than it would be naturally because you gave your testicles a decades long break. Less wear and tear.
Dianabol steroid, will that show up on a regular testosterone test?
Coach Greg knows better!!!!
fascinatinggggggggg. wowwwwwwwww
if you are a professional bidybulder then steroids are part of it until the career as a professional is finished
Dude, let derek finish his sentence!
The host here sounds so smug and condescending. Derek is a wealth of knowledge: he reminds me a lot of Dan Duchaine.
Uh all the time?
the amount of bro science cope from MPMD about regaining test levels is laughable
Veggie diet, lack B vit protein deficiency
Nutritional yeast
would rather be natural and smaller.. this sounds like a nightmare
I noticed you didn't mention sarms?
Last
I wish Derek would have an actual conversation and listen to what is being asked. Seems like he is just waiting to talk and try to impress the real dr. Dr had legit questions and it would have been way more interesting to bring the dr knowledge up on the over all reality instead of doing the boring deep dive trying to sound smart that Derek always seems to do. Derek is crazy smart I wish he would dial it back a little and connect with a larger audience
He appears smart. There's a difference.
@@terminator2348he is pretty smart to teach himself all this. The fact he's learnt everything out of sheer curiosity instead of a university course, and able to have conversations with doctors shows he's got a few brain cells
sorry to totally disagree here! derek has an amazing way of being super smart and being himself (which is humble, open minded and normal) every time i see him, whether on mpmd or the drive or joe rogan or whatever. i'm a woman who is not interested at all in PEDs but just love following this guy's career!! he's an original!
@@terminator2348It's pretty hard to fake smart.
@@missano3856depends how intelligent the audience is
Derek, ever the sesquipedalian
Not normal even some vitamins bit much for body.
The best thing is to never take steroids.
Been taking test since i was 20 and im now 60, no issues at all, i actually stay hornier more and have more sex now than when i was in my 20s ,when i was was competing i only used it for 10 weeks before a show and now i take a shot every 3 months to maintain solid strenght size and mood behavior. Best drug ever. 😊
Ok so.. Bodybuilders take Testosterone for Estrogen, wow ok 🤣🤣😭🤦🏻. Got that.. who knew..
why would anyone subject themselves to this hellish life just for some points on a stage, it's approaching mental illness
Im not even being sarcastic but it literally is a mental illness, but also coupled with addiction. having superphysiological amounts of testosterone coursing through your veins feels fucking amazing and godlike, not even surprised people get addicted to feeling amazing strong and confident. but its absolutely horrible for you and because i dont want to get health complications when im 30, im staying natrual for life
Its mostly because of ego.
@@BlackValor93you'll be fine with a small dose of test. Start 250mg and observe your body. How you feel. Do blood work too and do pct after your cycle.
@@HansLotap sure you could go do that, but its not worth it? youre still shutting down your natural production, and for what? just a little bit of gains from a small dose, that you cant even keep after you get off cycle. its not worth it unless its literally your career
@@BlackValor93 its better to start with a small dose and gradually increase the dosage until you find out your sweet spot. even at 250mg it can give you big improvement in size and strength.
I’m the blasting and cruising god I did 6 months deca no sided and 3 on and 3 off for Anavar
…
You can't outnerd Derek......
Test is cheap and known.
So basically small bunch of guys interview each other on important and complicated topics that nobody gives a F about couple of hours later
Derek is NOT small dude.
How is the top comment on this video a 100% bot conversation
Not Worth HEALTH!
Why isn't Derek at a cancer research laboratory finding a cure? Jimmany Christmas he knows his shit!
Lmao. You don’t get shut off for life. Come on man
Uhh yes you do. What are you smoking? If you blast steroids for decades, the probability that your natural test levels will return to normal when you come off is next to none.
@@redpillthinking6043 that’s not what he’s talking about. Talking about shit down as in fertility. Watch the video
@@redpillthinking6043virtually never happens. Ask anyone who’s come off
Nerds
This kid Dr is just asking to ask to attempt to sound smart.
Peters knowledge on hormones is honestly embarrassing
Your knowledge on how to ask interviewees questions as an explainer to the audience is honestly embarrassing 👌🏻
Derek is the biggest bro scientist ever - he tries to sound clever in every sentence😭
Because he is clever
@@yyxy.oncesaidgottem
I don't think he has to try that hard, he's clearly way smart.
What did tiny nuts say??? 😂😂😂
Yawn
@somekindaguy100 really?? Chronic tiredness is also a symptom of using, if only they could deal with their inadequacy in a better way lol
1st
Neither went to medical school for a single day .
And still knowledgeable. Learn from them.
What a silly subject for a medical podcast
Why?it's interesting.
@@missano3856 only a small subculture is interested in this. Largest parts of the world don’t use steroids.
Us bodybuilders like it
@@jackedbyjade only the western world. Here in Asia nobody cares about bb and steroids. But we do care about important health info that Peter normally gives.
When I think of all the surgeries and injections people get these days to transform their body into whatever they want it to look like OR be like, it kind of pisses me off how a man running gear to look better & bigger is STILL shunned by most. Unless it's used be a trans person, then its ok. So, I say screw that, it's my body. Just as they would say right?
Yes, I'm PRO GEAR!!
It would be best to have a real bodybuilder and coach on not just a read and regurgitate guy or a google scholar.
Derek is the man
Bodybuilders are the biggest load of dorks I've ever come across. Bullied in school or a manlet so start to lift and remain socially retarded for life. A lightweight fighter would kill you. The absolute state of you too... what's the benefit? Feeding a mental illness?
You do know that Derek himself used/tried a great number of these compounds himself which is what prompted him to go as deep into the research as he has? I think you'd find he objectively knows a whole lot more than most Pro bodybuilders out there. A lot of those guys still do get their stacks off "other dude's that ran this cycle and worked for them", most of these dudes don't truly know the inner details of the drugs they're taking. Derek's pretty on the ball about this subject man
Derek doesn’t know pro bbers and doesn’t know any real info about anabolics and androgenics!
Iv been in bodybuilding circles for 20 years. Hes extremely smart.
@@jackedbyjade all he does is read off the internet he has no real life application… nick trigili tore him apart and he got him banned from CZcams
@@ceetruth7419is it difficult being this stupid?
Does anyone know? Most copy each other but are they even honest to each other? I wonder who told Dorian what to take and use big doses considering it was pre internet
@@mark4lev thats another thing… all
Pro bbers lie about the doses! I day some may take up to 6,000 mg a week if not more.
That guy is compensating for that cleff lip he's got lol
What a sad shallow comment on your behalf
Not that smart when he is NOT in his dungeon with (probably) notes etc in front of him.
People are brainwashed even though it being smart as these days anyway the smartest people explain things with simple terms with the fewest words possible.
Who cares if someone uses steroids
what is hcg?
Human Chorionic Gonadotropin. It's an Luteinizing Hormone mimetic that bodybuilders take to keep their testicles from shutting down and shrinking while on steroids
Human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG)
If you consider TRT, start with HCG, then add T on top if you need more.