Using Numbers To Find The Ballon D'or Winner
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00:00 - Introduction
01:57 - A Broken System?
06:28 - Finding the Model Winner
10:56 - A Shocking Revelation
Producer: Tinashe Chipako
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10:24 the World Cup is once every 4 years, so it being 38% is very high.
Either that stat is wrong or there very much is a correlation between the balon d’or and being a World Cup winner.
I've only considered years where a World Cup has taken place for that category. Same goes for Copa America/UEFA Euro/AFCON. It is high, I agree. But it's not a certainty for the winner.
It's funny you mention that (Im about to contradict myself). I forgot to include it in the video, but the number should be higher. For years such as 1978, 86, 58, 62 and more, the best players in the world were considered to be on the World Cup winning teams- South Americans.
That makes sense. But popularity is also a big factor. In any case, Messi has a relatively higher chance than other nominees.
@@FootballIconicwhat about WC golden ball wins? Best at world cup and the corellation between that and the Balon'Dor?
❤brody
Xavi and iniesta won the WC with better stats than modric 2018 not just scoring wise but playmaking succesfull pass completed dribble succesfull tackle etc
Sneijder won the treble and a world cup finalist (runner up)
Messi deff robbed 2010 if u guys saying world cup winner deserve it than xavi or iniesta deserve it PESSI FANS LOGIC 💨📈
@@FootballIconicbrody
Xavi and iniesta won the WC with better stats than modric 2018 not just scoring wise but playmaking succesfull pass completed dribble succesfull tackle etc
Sneijder won the treble and a world cup finalist (runner up)
Messi deff robbed 2010 if u guys saying world cup winner deserve it than xavi or iniesta deserve it
Asking voters to consider a players "overall career" is like saying that its okay to vote for the one you already like.
Not really Harvey Barnes scored more than Son last season... NO ONE would say Barnes is better. So it's not JUST stats.
On the other hand Salah scored nearly 4x what Grealish did but Jack got 3 trophies which he was key to and Salah won none... but no one would say Grealish is better than Salah.
It's a balance. Like Mbappe people like to say but he plays in the French league ect ect but he won Monacos first league title for 17 years as a kid... he SINGLE handedly knocked out Argentina in the Russia World Cup and scored in the final... He INDIVIDUALLY led PSG scoring multiple goals against Bayern, Real and Barca ect in the champions league.
Then you have him again leading france to the WC final for the second time in a row scoring a hattrick in the final...
If HYPOTHETICALLY mbappe scores 25 in a season but Vini scores 30 it's ridiculous to say Vini is now better...
Now if Mbappe is injured or has a horrible season like not winning the league not being crucial for his team and vini scores 30 winning what he needs to win it's fair to say Vini not only had a better season but that mbappe because of his disastrous season can't rely on his overall career to balance it out. Meaning Vini would be the better player until Mbappe shows he can get back to his level.
@@skp8748 I'm not arguing against there being more to a player than stats.
But I will say that there are pretty advanced metrics that can explain why a player is more valuable than another player beyond goal tally or trophy cabinet size. I think that if stats are used correctly, they can get closer to telling the whole story than many may think.
And if those stats say that Barnes out-performed Son for a season, then I think he should rank higher than him for that season.
That being said, I don't think the stats say that. Although I heard Son had a rough time at the beginning of the year.
well that wouldnt be a bad way of voting bc then if extremely dominant players aka messi and ronaldo didnt exist, lewa would win it in 2021, it would help players like lewa, neuer, neymar win the award considering that they achieved so much already, like its stupidbto say that prime neymar didnt deserve a ballon d'or, but the problem was that messi ajd ronaldo were still in their primes
@uros7320 If I thought it would work out like that, I'd be for it too.
@@uros7320
Messi and Ronaldo aside, Neymar would be the most deserving of Ballon D'or out of the three players you mentioned. In my opinion, he hit the pinnacle at PSG and gave his all in lifting the team to UCL final. What a player he was!
The fact that Alvarez scored 17 goals yet didn't even start in his main position for his club is crazy.
The moment Messi left the WC he already won the Ballon D'or. It is a globally voted award and not everyone watches European football but everyone watches the WC
that's why Haaland won UEFA best player while Messi won FIFA the best recently.
If you look at that UEFA best player award, it's almost always get awarded to European players. Messi is the only non European to ever win it and that's because they couldn't delude themselves any longer.
@richhornie7000 U forgot R9,George weah,Kaka and many more.Its really has not discriminated against non-European players since they were allowed to win it.(at its inception it was intended to determine the best European player.)
@@user-yj7ve5zv9nhe was talking about UEFA best player award, not ballon d’or
@@user-yj7ve5zv9n Only twice has Messi won, and five times he’s come in second (a record). What a joke! It’s obvious they wouldn’t make a non-European the biggest winner.
Even if Haaland deservingly wins, I really hope Rodri and Stones don't get done dirty. They were crucial and were the first two in the team sheet in the latter half of City's season
Edit: I know that Stones wasn't nominated - that just shows how underrated he is compared to Van Dijk, Ruben Dias, Ronald Araujo, etc.
Stones isn’t even nominated
Rodri deserved it. Did the treble and won the nation's league. Even scored in the CL final. One WC can't possibly trump an entire season of consistent performances.
Rodri won them CL, man should be top 3 With KDB over Haaland
How does he deserve it and Messi doesn't
@@Astro.004 Because Messi didn't do much to win it this time?
Personally, I think the Ballon d'Or has lost its 'weight' in recent years because of all the controversies. I know it's always been a popular vote, but now it's becoming more and more obvious. (I'm neither a fan of Messi or Ronaldo)
@@SportsHub-yv3ztthis guy never said he was a ronaldo fan ur just sad🤡
@@SportsHub-yv3ztbroo ronaldo was robbed in 2018
Messi robbed 2010
Tf u mean
@@SportsHub-yv3ztshut up mate nobody gives one about Messi/Ronaldo anymore it’s not even funny now
@@fotballaddictyou were fast to say "Messi ghosted from the Copa America final" but now you say Ronaldo should have won 2018. What hey? By your logic, he ghosted in the Round of 16 of the World Cup. Against Uruguay. Didn't score or assist, Pepe had to score
this narrative is hilarious
Honestly, it’s an irrelevant award since it’s a popularity contest. How the votes are tallied explains it all.
Cry more
@@yourAverageGuitarGuy pessi fan
@@ketancardases367812 year old
The next thing for you will be the world cup that is irrelevant
@@GIBBO4182 What you mean all pessi fans are fetuses
The reason Charlton won was actually because some journalist gave what he thought was gonna be a sympathy vote to him because he thought Eusebio was obviously gonna win it.
A lot of journalist gave sympathy votes and he won. Of course the reason he won was cause he was English.
Happy with Haaland or Messi, but I think Messi's year was more impressive with the WC if nothing else Haaland seemed absent in big games...
the problem is that there’s no consistency, Iniesta won the WC in 2010 and was statistically viewed as the most impactful and he even scored the WC winner. does Iniesta have a B’dor? 🤔
yeah people will not talk about how he's got ZERO goals in 4 finals.. and goals are his ONLY strength!!
@@dimithriw3357this persistent myth about Haaland ghosting in big games really needs to stop.
1. He had several shots on target in the final that Onana had to pull legit miracles to save. Same happened against Real, if it wasn’t for Curtois being as good as he is, the scote would’ve been 8-0 rather than 4-0.
2. Him drawing defenders away and creating space for his teammates is the reason they got to score the winning goals in the first place. You can not tell me Silva would’ve been able to score the brace against Madrid if it wasn’t for Haaland being double teamed.
3. In every other big game of the season - Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool, Bayern - Haaland has scored. He’s the reason they got to the final in the first place. Should we simply discount that because he had a few mediocre games in an otherwise excellent season? Kevin De Bruyne said it best: “People expect Erling to score hat-tricks every match, when his average is one goal per game.”
@@flapp-jck1226 The thing with the 2010 award is that it was a completely different scenario if you look at things as a whole. People don't argue that you should only look at the WC, but that the WC has a much bigger weight than anything else.
1) In 2010, Messi was just a completely different breed of a player, there is no way you can compare 2010 Messi with current year Haaland. Messi dominated any and all aspects of the game, while Haaland, as good as he is, is mostly regarded as the best goalscorer.
2) Iniesta back in 2010, was definitely a key player for that Spain National Team, however, you can't forget about Xavi, Casillas, Villa, etc. Every player in that National team was pretty much equally as important, and they all boosted each other.
Compare that to Messi's WC, where he was once again, the most important player for Argentina in every match he played. Messi boosted the entire Argentina team and had key goal contributions in, once again, pretty much every match he played.
If you take a closer look at it, you would realize how these two cases are just impossible to be compared to each other despite what it would initially seem.
@isuckatrhythmgames. yeah you’re speaking facts. I would also say Iniesta and Xavi contributed massively to Messi’s 2010 brilliance. but you’re right, you can’t compare the two scenarios because Messi was the only key to Argentina’s WC dominance 🐐💯.
for me it could go either way, haaland or messi. Haaland had the perfect season for man city and messi won the world cup, the only thing I can say about Haaland is that he ghosted in the biggest games of the season (which is understandable since his team isn't such a bad team that they have to rely on him, I mean we're talking about man city😂). I can think of a couple of knocks to messi though. He's not in Europe anymore, he did have a decent amount of goals contributions but it was mostly in Ligue 1 which is undoubtedly the worst of the top 5 leagues, and lastly his only argument is his world cup campaign but it was magical.
And messi ghosted in copa america final the only reason he won 2021 b'dor 😅
One of the most unbiased analogy so far in the comments
@@cassiusgibere2901 Yeah. People say Haaland ghosted the UCL Semi-Finals and Finals, but Messi, with Mbappe, couldn't even make it to those matches... /shrug
If modric deserved it then so does messi, his stats were so much better in 2018 and he only got 5th place
@@fotballaddictbro, get educated. Messi was top 1° for literally every single attack related stat, except goals per90, behind Lewandowski but for about a 0.30 margin. Yet Messi had twice the involvement in chances created. But idk maybe casuals like to make a fool of themselves
As a striker myself, I've always placed way more importance on the Golden Boot. No votes, just goals. Shame they don't give enough credit to amazing assists though.
No it isnt. Since not all leagues get the same values of goals, France ligue 1 goals for instance get devalue by the coefficient. Even though i have may doubts that the Bayernliga should be valued the same as la Liga, the premiere league, Serie A.
Further, it is a lot easier to score for top teams specially when that team buys out the entire league like in Germany, i would even say less in France because PSG are morons that buy mostly international stars, while throwing away their top youngsters, though they have been doing same stuff that Bayern did with Monaco.
But it is hard to say to be honest.
It's not revered in the UK, certainly not for people over the age of 35-40. I'm 45 and have never paid any attention to it, I don't remember it even getting a mention when Owen won it
It has gained such relevance due to messi Ronaldo fans.
I agree it was something you’d read about in the papers they never made a big thing of it
Because no English player has won it for 2 decades and no player from a PL team has won it for 15 years
lmao@@prometheustv6558
There’s always been a bias towards the World Cup…but NOW it’s a problem if Messi wins!?
Because of Ronaldo and Madrid fanboys, they are so butthurt that they will always root for anyone but Messi to win it
yes "c u n t" cuz his daddy gave it to em, why xavi or iniesta didn't got the ballon d'or also in 2010?
@@qBodibecause they played in a team every week with someone who was better…you sad w⚓️
@@qBodi Messi's numbers we're estratosphetic and Iniesta was injured for 8 months that year. So yeah, you just went full r e t a Rd and c u n t
@@GIBBO4182 that's your excuse? cant belive i botherd with such pathetic creature, so bcs midget would ve been better, a wc winner didn't deserve the ballon d'or xd, then that fk should that fraud deserve it this year when haaland is the best player on the plannet?
"The best is Leo Messi. For me, there's a great difference between being a great player and a goalscorer."- Johan Cruyff.
He may be the best overall, but he was not the best in the past season.
@@ilzuab8467 how he literally destroyed everything when it mattered
@@prometheustv6558 no matter how you look at the ballon dor, messi cant win it. In the WC he was equal to Mbappe, which was also an absolute insane solo carry during the whole tournament. He was also the overall better player at psg last season. Now if you say "Well Mbappe didn't win the WC tho and thats why it weighs less", we have to look at titles. And if we weigh titles so highly, it can't be anyone else than Haalanf who won the big European triple while scoring 50 goals.
@@ilzuab8467 He was way better than that speeed merchant in the World Cup and for PSG. Messi was the best player in the World Cup he deserves it.
@@prometheustv6558 You must've watched a different season then. Mbappe literally transformed every WC game he wad in (like Messi). For PSG, he was just the most important player, followed by Messi. PSG is built around him and he thrives in that.
Thanks for another banger 🔥 I never miss your newest stuff
It pretty much depends on a player's influence. Haaland had a mega season, but Messi and the World Cup is just something different.
one is a four week competition vs a treble winning YEAR. you’re clearly biased
@@danylo7768 You are being too sensitive here, if there was no international tournament the last season Haaland would have won for sure. But just look at the influence Messi created with his World Cup win. The Ballon D'or has never been a "who's the best player" award but more of "who has the biggest influence" award, unless there's only one stand out player that season like what Benzema did last year.
@@danylo7768that 4 week is biggest football trophy much bigger than ucl
@@t.k3579true because if it was based on performance messi would not in the top 3 all he do in WC was scoring pens
And tap ins
@@fotballaddictwhat the fuck were you watching ???😂😂😂
What a fun statistical analysis of a thought experiment. Awesome video!
I love this video bro. Sincerely, everything you mentioned was informative and not that surprising.
Ballon'dor 🥇✨️
should be removed ❌️
And replace with the award with every each position like the
⚽️-best forwards competing with wingers and striker
🪄-The best midfielder
Competing with center mid attacking mid and defendsive mid
💪🏽-The best defender
Competing with fullbacks and centerbacks
True 🎉
Isn't Fifa already make awards for that? Like "the best goalkeeper"
@@swordsman1137 Yes. Do it for defenders, midfielders and forwards. And no just single best player.
@@swordsman1137 FIFA the best is really not a good award & a bigger popularity/media contest than the ballon d’or, 1999 beckham deserved it, 2003 & 2004 atleast deserved one of those, 2010 sneijder deserved more, 2013 ribery deserved more, 2018 cristiano deserved more, 2019 van dijk deserved more & 2022 benzema deserved.
Best football youtuber 💯😤
Everyone is sleeping on Rodri. Way too consistent, won the treble, Uefa supercup + nation league. Being MOTM in Nations league and UCL finals. High g/a for a CDM. Everyone just thinks about Messi's controversial WC win and Haaland's 50+ goals.
What was controversial about it?
@@HopefulNihilist some people think it was rigged for some reason
@@NoOne-wz2ht only brainless delusional pendoggy fans think that the wc was rigged
WC wasn't controversial lmao. Only France and some CR7 fans claim so and we all know who has the most clowns as his fans
@@maxwellmaragia2272Well, let's be fair.. De Paul first commits a foul worthy of a yellow, then shoots the ball at the bench after whistle is blown. By comparison Van Persie got red carded for shooting the ball after not hearing the whistle during a CL final. There was some favourable refereeing for Argentina.
Haaland was just unlucky to win the treble during a WC year. Now all he needs to do is to replicate this feat within the next couple of years, easy golden ball in the bag
I get the impression that a lot of people fail to see that trebles are won less frequently than world cups 😅 As far as I'm aware, City became the second team in Premier League history to win the treble last season. Man United were the first team who won it, and they did so during the 90s.
Well, no hate but i personally think the triples of Barcelona is worth more than it. Since all big teams in England fell other than Arsenal that did in the last part of the season. Man city having the best players and most squad depth on top level. Worth more than the 2 German triples for sure. But behind the 2 Barca triples. @@DillaryHuff
Tinashe my guy, youz a genius, i remember when it was just a few hundred of us here and bantering you vociferously on Twitter ( now X, that proves it's ages ago😅😅) keep up the good work
Loved this video - Tinashe's gone full Moneyball!
I've realized the last couple of years that many (mostly young people aka Gen Z'ers) have the opinion that the player with the most goals per season deserves the Ballon D'or.
Thats not what the Ballon D'or is. That's the golden boot, kiddos.
Ballon D'or is rewarded to the most IMPACTFUL player of the year.
Tho, I too believe Haaland deserves it this year.
Sidenote: Cannavaro was an absolute beast in 2006 and carried Italy to WC-win and Sneijder got robbed in 2010.
This is true.
This Messi-Ronaldo rivalry skew the award.
Modric, Benzema (and should have been include Lewandowski) are the one that make more sense.
This comment speaks too much sense for this comment section.
It's not only about goals, everyone knows that, but of course goals & awards play a role which is why people mention them.
do you think we're still 9? my gf turns 25 this month
haaland record last season
⚽️52 :goals 🪄:9 asisst in 🏃🏼♂️:53 games across all competitions as achieved a remarkable treble of Premier League, FA Cup and UEFA Champions Leagu
Premier League Golden Boot
City's first European Golden Shoe
Etihad Player of the Season
Premier League Player of the Season
Premier League Young Player of the Season
FWA Men’s Footballer of the Year
Champions League Team of the Season
Most Premier League goals in one season - 36
Most goals in all competitions by a player at a Premier League club - 52
Best minutes per goal ratio of any player in Premier League history - 77 mins/goal
Most goals and assists in a 38-game Premier League season - 44
Hat-trick tally as many as every other Premier League player combined - 6
Premier League August Player of the Month
Premier League April Player of the Month
Most goals for City in a single season - 52
Most goals in a player’s first Premier League season for City - 36
Most goals scored at the Etihad Stadium in a single Premier League season - 22
Fastest player to score 10 goals in the Premier League - 6 appearances
Fastest player to score 20 goals in the Premier League - 14 appearances
Fastest player to score 25 goals in the Premier League - 19 appearances
Fastest player to reach 25 goals under Pep Guardiola - 20 appearances
First player in Premier League history to score a hat-trick in three consecutive home games
First player in Premier League history to score in each of his first four away games
First City player to score on both his Premier League and Champions League debut
Most goals in first five Premier League appearances - 9
Most Premier League goals in August - 9
Most hat-tricks in a single season across all competitions by a Premier League striker - 6
First player to score hat-tricks in consecutive Premier League halves of football
Fastest player to four Premier League hat-tricks - 19 appearances
Most Champions League goals in 2022/23 - 12
Most goals in a single Champions League season for City - 12
Hit 30-goal milestone in fewer matches than any other player in Champions League history
Hit 30-goal milestone at a younger age than any other player in Champions League history
Most goals for an English club in a single Champions League season - 12 - Level with Ruud van Nistelrooy
Third player ever to score five goals in one Champions League game
Most hat-tricks at a single ground in a Premier League season - 4 - Level with Alan Shearer
Messis 2019 might be his most deserved outside of 2012. This notion that often comes up of “x deserved the bdr over messi/Ronaldo” just comes from people who see a player have a particularly outstanding season and think that immediately means they win the bdr regardless of anyone else’s performance/people wanting to show their superior knowledge by saying something that goes against the obvious choice/people being bored of messi and Ronaldo winning
messi was the sole reason why barca ddint become mid table that season
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Van Dijk literally went undefeated in a 1v1, defenders are just massive underrated. If you ask anyone to top their 5 fav footballers of all time youll be lucky if a defender is up there
@@trollinape2697 Wasn’t as good as Messi
@@trollinape2697 I play cb myself, I do appreciate that this is the case but we’re not just talking about an amazing cb vs your standard amazing forward we’re talking about arguably the greatest footballer ever having one of his best ever years. It’s unfortunate for vvd, in another era he might’ve won it, but only one player can win it. Same can be said for Neymar, suarez, lewa, ribery, the list goes on
Love the vids man
I find myself laughing waay more than i should be, considering that fact that i just came here for some fire football analysis videos
They really need a new award that isn't a joke
People need to stop caring about individual awards for a team sport
nah Messi are Ronaldo killed it in my opinion lol forward because of them re most important position
Was having a really bad day cause I just bottled one of my exams big time. Thanks for uploading Tinashe❤
loved the video and rationale to reach conclusion. I would challenge WC years though.. i did study on WC years and found two third of times it went to the player who had great year that year (nog necessarily win it). This is right for Cruyff in 1974 as well as Modric in 2018. The story and impact was delightful. Let’s not forget Paolo Rossi in 1982 who starred in only three games scoring six goals for Italy that defined the modern history of Italian football
unreal video once again
As a Messi fan , I was okay with Messi not winning the ballon dor with wc being the final hurdle completed but now as time passes that greed of cherry on top of his career would be amazing for me to see . Either ways if haaland wins i am all but happy (eras come to an end - also would be the last time we ever see messi on that podium :_)
Imagine an MLS player winning the Balón Dor 😭 The Yanks wouldn't have a clue what it even means
Luis Suárez not winning it in 2016 was the biggest robbery ever. He scored more goals, made more assists, and won more trophies than Ronaldo that year, but Ronaldo won because he won the UCL. Scammed.
Edit: Suárez was fourth that year with 98 points. Third place Griezmann received 198, Messi received 316 and Ronaldo 745. Ridiculous. If anyone told you that this had nothing to do with Suárez's violent history, they'd be lying.
Ronaldo also won the euro the first trophy ever for Portugal and had only 4 less goals and was a more complete player
Suarez was farming in laliga but what did he do in the rest of it all? Ronaldo scored 15goals in ucl (half of what suarez did in his whole career), won ucl, won euros being their best player even though he got injured in the final (3g 3a). The better player overall. Ronaldo for Real Madrid was ten times better than Suarez for Barca (compare BBC to MSN and you will see the difference in stats in BBC is a lot bigger than in MSN).
Just accept that you hate Ronaldo.
Yeah, but as history repeats itself you also have to mention Lewandowski's loss to Messi.
Lewa even was World Footballer, but since some french guys wanted Messi at PSG he lost.
Also look at "The Golden Boy Award". Where some Barca Dude won while Bellingham and Musiala played world-class seasons across the board...
That award is probably the most rigged award ever.
@@tsi7888 I do, in fact, hate Ronaldo and have never once denied this.
Ah yes ballon d’or loss means you should be a racist😭😭
Love your videos bro
I didn’t know about the whole team bias when players voted, they definitely explains some of CR7 and LM10’s wins
I think the UEFA Men’s award is slowly becoming the real award
That’s the biggest joke award in football
@@tevildo45 FIFA The Best is the joke award, looking like a can of pepsi
@@tevildo45tf u mean
@@tevildo45 It’s a genuine award that has way less complications than the ballon d’or & fifa best player.
Nobody cares about it
5:39 justice for Eusebio
Portugals Best player ever
The only reason England won that world cup is because it was held in their own country Eusebio and Portugal deserved to win that world cup
“ bigger than the hole my ex left in my heart “ 😭😭😭. We’re with you brother
If Ballon d’Ors were fair…based on consistency and decisive performances
2008 - CR7
2009 - Messi
2010 - Sneijder
2011 - Messi
2012 - Messi
2013 - Ribery
2014 - Neuer
2015 - Messi
2016 - CR7
2017 - CR7
2018 - CR7
2019 - Messi
2020 - Lewandowski
2021 - Messi
2022 - Benzema
2023 - Håland
Fair i still don't understand how people say 2019 and 2021 was robbery messi probably had the most influential season of his life in 2019 single handedly carried barcelona the whole season van dijk was also great but not on messi's level in 2021 messi had the most motm awards in top 5 league he was the top scorer and also won 1 trophy where Lewandowski scored goals in farmers league
Nah 2014 was deff ronaldo tho
@@69ninek how was it not Neuer?
He won more and was the Best Goalkeeper in World Cup, UCL, Bundesliga and Pokal…winning 3 out of 4..
CR7 only won UCL and was kicked out of group stages of WC in 2014..
@@vb2388 exactly ronaldo only won ucl and that too 90% credit goes to ramos and di maria in the final ramos scored at last minute and di maria was the motm avg Ronaldo meat rider knowledge he has
Tbh I think Messi and Ronaldo broke the award for a long time. Hopefully after this year it’ll be a new person every year
The award was always broken with such a stupid criteria and voting system, Messi and Ronaldo dominance just completely exposed it.
Balon D’Or is an individual award,if it was purely based on that Messi would’ve won every single one since 2009,there’s no player that has been better than Messi individually in that timeframe
brody
Xavi and iniesta won the WC with better stats than modric 2018 not just scoring wise but playmaking succesfull pass completed dribble succesfull tackle etc
Sneijder won the treble and a world cup finalist (runner up)
Messi deff robbed 2010 if u guys saying world cup winner deserve it than xavi or iniesta deserve it PESSI FANS LOGIC 💨📈
So then why did ronaldo win in 2014 when Germany won the World Cup? Why not a German player?
delusional fanboy detected
Sometimes I don’t think we are watching the same sport 😂
I really wish we had 10-20 players who were just as good as Messi in that during that timeframe 2009-2023 it would’ve been great for the sport and great to watch and debate on ,it just never happened,CR7 did try though,that’s why people love him he tried standing up to Messi’s reign of terror
I just want to clarify... 3 Argentina born players have won de Ballon D'or
Lionel Messi : 7 times
Alfredo Di Stefano: 2 Times
Omar Sivor: 1 Time
So yeah, Argentina has won it 10 times, not 9.
Great video! Greetings from Argentina😅
My key takeaway from this is my boy got hit by mjolo the pandemic 😂
I personally think Messi should win and I think he will win. Great video as always my man, cheers!
This guy passes the vibe check .. prety cool dude
Nowadays your inner the man utd, Ronaldo and prem fan is showing itself too much 😂,great commentary and vid btw,love your sense of humor and way of narration.
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( and if you wouldn't mind could you make a short vid on the joke that's fan voting of golden boy award, watching Taylor swift and BTS fans vote for candidates they don't actually know while not realizing (apparently)fan votes actually don't have any affect on the actual voting,it's amusing to say the least )
Y’all are gonna go crazy once Onana wins it
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I'm a huge Messi fan but I think that Haaland will win it this time. He does deserve it, plus Messi is hated in France (the country that hands out this award).
Penaldo fan spotted 😅
@@DrPranabesh Nope
@@DrPranabesh Pindian spotted 🤦♂️
@@DrPranabesh haaland record last season
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Premier League Golden Boot
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Etihad Player of the Season
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Premier League Young Player of the Season
FWA Men’s Footballer of the Year
Champions League Team of the Season
Most Premier League goals in one season - 36
Most goals in all competitions by a player at a Premier League club - 52
Best minutes per goal ratio of any player in Premier League history - 77 mins/goal
Most goals and assists in a 38-game Premier League season - 44
Hat-trick tally as many as every other Premier League player combined - 6
Premier League August Player of the Month
Premier League April Player of the Month
Most goals for City in a single season - 52
Most goals in a player’s first Premier League season for City - 36
Most goals scored at the Etihad Stadium in a single Premier League season - 22
Fastest player to score 10 goals in the Premier League - 6 appearances
Fastest player to score 20 goals in the Premier League - 14 appearances
Fastest player to score 25 goals in the Premier League - 19 appearances
Fastest player to reach 25 goals under Pep Guardiola - 20 appearances
First player in Premier League history to score a hat-trick in three consecutive home games
First player in Premier League history to score in each of his first four away games
First City player to score on both his Premier League and Champions League debut
Most goals in first five Premier League appearances - 9
Most Premier League goals in August - 9
Most hat-tricks in a single season across all competitions by a Premier League striker - 6
First player to score hat-tricks in consecutive Premier League halves of football
Fastest player to four Premier League hat-tricks - 19 appearances
Most Champions League goals in 2022/23 - 12
Most goals in a single Champions League season for City - 12
Hit 30-goal milestone in fewer matches than any other player in Champions League history
Hit 30-goal milestone at a younger age than any other player in Champions League history
Most goals for an English club in a single Champions League season - 12 - Level with Ruud van Nistelrooy
Third player ever to score five goals in one Champions League game
Most hat-tricks at a single ground in a Premier League season - 4 - Level with Alan Shearer
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9:34 This is the greatest assist of all time.
He done nothing
Lol giving the ball to Messi as he dribbles past 17 players including the subs and manager is the greatest assist?😂
I see the irony is lost on some people.
Can't believe people say the goal is better than the assist smh
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Laliga most goals.
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49 games 52 goals 31 assists
Vandjyk champions league winner
U cant compare a forwards and defendef man stopp😅
A defender is suppose to win golden boot and top scorer award? Are you stupid or what man😂 defenders are there to defend and he had one of , if not the greatest single defensive season ever.
Good performance and PR
Bro you deserve more subs
In my opinion I would be fine if either Messi or Haaland wins the Ballon d'or. They both deserve it.
Haaland should win. He had a record smashing season in the best league in the world and finally won Man City their UCL. It kina feels like an after thought because of the world cup but Haaland reached prime Messi and Ronaldo heights in arguably a better league compared to back then
@aron4117 haaland didn’t reach prime Messi/Ronaldo heights in any way. Don’t let recency bias confuse you. 52 goals was nothing to them, Messi prime has had 50 goals in the league only. Haaland is no where near their prime level.
@@Kenneth1398ryhpeople seem to forget that prime Ronaldo and Messi weren’t humans they could single handedly take down elite teams. Haaland is spoon fed. Not trying to make merit away from him because he is a lethal finisher but nowhere near the other 2
@@aron4117 In terms of completing their position, Messi 2012 was the best, in terms of general completion, Cristiano in 2008 was the best.
@@josesaenz5403Messi had the same numbers as Ronaldo while being an outstanding dribbler and playmaker. That says it all
Messi and Haaland both have a shot at and a decent argument to win imo
Wtf Messi 🤮🤧😷
@@almighty.des_you should experiment…and think
@@GIBBO4182you’re just a Messi fanboy. An award given based on a CALENDAR YEAR yet a 4-week period undoes everything? Maybe u should be the one thinking
@@08BostonCeltics1 quicker to just type “I ❤️ Ronaldo”
@@08BostonCeltics1it’s based on a season
Julian Alvarez at 2 and not having neymar or mbappe up there in the last 4 years is crazy 😂😂
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I think Rodri deserve the ballon D'or for what he has been doing consistently for club and country and as a Dm . Forwards is always winning this award and it's getting boring because midfielders and defenders have little to no chance of winning this prestige award .
Let's not talk about goalkeepers
Sneijder A world cup finalist a treble winner with Inter in 2010 and yet wasnt even top 3
The biggest robbed in history
@@fotballaddictHe’s trash brother
lol, Neuer triple an world cup winner ...@@fotballaddict
I find it interesting how wrapped up people get in who wins the ballon d'or. A couple years ago, I hoped Lewandowski would win. He didn't and I though, damn, that sucks, and moved on with my life.
Not winning the ballon d'or doesn't make the player any less special. You also don't need an award to tell you who the best player is, my eyes do that for me.
I’m 37 and nobody used to care about it at all, it’s only been a big thing maybe the last 10 years
@@tevildo45 Because FIFA stupidly collaborated with France Football to rename it the FIFA Ballon d'Or. Even after the collaboration ended, people now associate the Ballon d'Or with the greatest FIFA accomplishment despite being voted on by journalists. Messi and Ronaldo rivalry also skyrocketed the public value of the Ballon d'Or with how they were winning it for 10 straight years.
Yet u thought Lewandowski should have won it
@@prometheustv6558 And? What's your point?
Great watch as always 👊🏿. It's interesting how this award got more and more important with the social media age. Growing up I remember it would just be an afterthought. Still had the same prestige of course but never had so much furore and debate
nigga as amanzingh as Busi's pass was, you CANNOT take away anything from the brilliance of what Messi did to those legendary players... that goal deserves all the praise.
Those bastards will vote for messi just because he is a good boy, the former fifa president said it plenty of times. The only one who deserves it on pure football is Haaland like it or not.
What's crazier is that Griezmann deserves it
Thats actually an amazing point. Atletico had a stinker first half of the season but after the WC, when it was actually 2023, he was incredible and helped Atletico have an insane second half of the season, even catching up to Real Madrid in points, he was the star man. And since the few weeks of the WC seem to count so much to people (saying Messi should win), he was arguably the best player of France, present in all phases of play, and maybe even best player of the tournament.
The fact that it didn't cross my mind until I saw your comment makes me think that the journalists might not even think of him since, even in the WC, Mbappe was mentioned more than him cause of the goals. He deserves it more than Messi.
I hope Rodri gets the recognition while being a CDM. Maybe that goal in the final might help the goldfish-brained journalists remember that he was the most important player in the Treble win and even won the Nations League with Spain as a bonus.
😂😂😂😂 I love Griezman but nah.
but he should get a spot in the nominee list@@dontaye___
The Ballon D'or lost it's credibility ever since Modric won it
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We need to go back to 2000s when the best footballer would win the award. Not Haaland because of quantity of goals, not Messi for winning the World Cup.
Yes, not haaland for getting ucl golden boot, unl golden boot, premier league golden boot, european golden boot, most g/a, treble, broke the premier league goalscoring record & tied the UNL goalscoring record for the 2nd time..
my guy haaland was the best player last season what are you on about?
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it was still flawed in the 2000s Nedved won in the Ballon d'Or instead of Henry and the next year Shevchenko wont it instead of Deco. This just shows that even back then it was flawed so your point saying go back to how they voted in the 2000s is flawed
@Quipie- see top scorer already gets an award for scoring the most goals, this is for best player
As a CR7 fan, Messi deserves it. When a European wins the World Cup, its due too legendary performances but when a South-American wins it, its just a 4 week tournament. Messi had 7 goals and 4 assists at the WC. He scored a brace in the final whilst winning Player of the Tournament award (first to do that since Romario in 1994). He made Gvardiol, Aké and van Dijk look like children. He showed up in every match and was involved in nearly every goal. . I'm a Dutchie and Madridista. My hate for Messi at times was at its maximum but even I know Messi deserves it. His own countrymen criticized him. Saying that you can't be the goat without a WC and that he'll never lace the shoes of Maradona. He proved everyone wrong. When he was given the ball he improvised. He did not solely rely on his teammates to give him the best ball in the box. Matthäus won it in 1990 for WC. Stoichkov won it in 1994 for WC performance. Zidane won it in 1998 for WC. R9 won it in 2002 for WC. Cannavaro won it in 2006 for WC. Modric won it in 2018 for WC performance but watch them rob Messi. Haaland is phenomenal but he's not a big game player. What seperates GOATS from Legends is their ability to show up in big games. In semi-finals and finals whether if that's the local league cup, the World Cup or the UCL. I rate Mbappe higher than Haaland, purely for the fact that these 3 can score free kicks and can make ridiculous solo runs to turn around matches. Man City is the embodiment of modern day football. Its a system which aims to provide Haaland. There is no room for fantasy dribblers like Neymar. Its modern day football and it sometimes feels like dead football even though its simply a pure masterclass from Guardiola in the tactician department. Messi, Ronaldo and Mbappe on the other hand, score goals from far away, make insane runs by themselves to complete the most insane comebacks. You can even debate that KDB was more important than Haaland. Argentina won but not because of the team alone. They won because it was one man that uplifted the spirit of an entire nation, one man that was so respected that other players waited till he walked out of the tunnel and unto the field, one man that was so important that his teammates turned into prime Pepe when he was touched by opponents. Argentina would not have won all these cups without Messi. City won 5 out of the last 6 PL titles. Messi gave Argentina something, only Maradona could give them.
My man is looking good with some facial hair
Messi’s 2019 ballon d’or is fully deserved. Man played 3 different roles and was the backbone of attack and playmaking. Had it not been for Anfield he would’ve almost single handedly won a treble himself.
Had the most goals in UCL and most player of the week as well. Top scorer in la Liga and top assister as well. They only got defeated in la Liga once and that was because Messi did not play.
Haaland should win it because he will run the world football post Messi and Ronald era, one of who, as we already know, has been immortalized as the GOAT.
Ronaldo may have immortalized himself as the goat but Messi is still basically right behind him, idk why there’s an argument there, we lived to see the top 2 footballers the world will ever see.
Messi is just pure magic. Goat for me.
@@Michallote anyone who disputes this by now is extremely biased imo
@@jigglebiggle2799ronaldo isn't even top 5.
@@partapshergill6476Ronaldo is top three and also the greatest goal scorer oat
Messi will not win it because
1. He defeated FRANCE in the World Cup Final (Country who creates the award)
2. He transferred to America. It's a minus to the award itself for someone away from Europe to win it removing the prestige of the award
3. Voter fatigue. It's tiring for Messi wins this award time to time.
Even messi has said that he doesn’t care if he wins it’s crazy how they still want him to win when he doesn’t care over someone that cares and is playing better
Alvarez is a baller, wouldn't mind him winning.
Emotionally I want Messi to win it. The best to ever play should get one last Ballon D'or to finish his career after winning a long awaited world cup for his country
Messi should win, there's no numbers behind an influcence a player can impose of their team by just playing good, lelading it or motivating it(yeah it's a team sport), for this year it's obvious who had the influence on their team the most, for me at least.
My man, Messi did nothing for PSG. Rodri on the other hand got a treble + nations league. He was also the MOTM in CL and NL final. You speak of the influence a player has on a team without it being evident in numbers, well look no further than Rodri, City's own Busquets.
@@garyanderton I don't disagree, really. But city would have won it anyways, even without him. IMO
@@xaltotunacheron7544thats why this is the first time they won an ucl 😅 and a treble winner
Lmao messi fans logic📉 man i cant
@@xaltotunacheron7544no they wouldn’t if they had Kalvin Philips where Rodri was they would not have won
@@xaltotunacheron7544 They lost last CL final where they benched Rodri. His goal also got them the only goal. Inter had a higher xG as well. Everything says they wouldn't win without Rodri.
Im not sure I like the insinuation that Messi will only win it because of story and bias alone. There’s so many arguments excluding sentiment aside for Messi to win the competition. I want to see Haaland reward for his amazing season, and it! sucks because Messi already has 7… arguably one of them undeserved… but at the same time I don’t think we should give to someone because he doesn’t have one yet and Messi has 1. I believe the conversation should be less about if they’re Argentinian… and more about what they did during this year .
Right, Haaland should win Ghost D'Or for ghosting in big matches.
My friend Messi deserved the Balon DOR from the day he started playing the ball. He deserved it ever year........
Winning the world cup, been the best player of the tournament and second highest goal scorer and most assist in the tournament is something special. The world cup is the most important competition in the world of football the championship league, is played every year so is the premier league and all other domestic tournaments, The world cup is so special from qualifiers to the tournament, There is a different between a goal scorer and best player, How can you possibly think anyone should win it apart from Messi is just pure jealousy and hatred imagine been the highest rated player in Europe at 35 let that sink in.
What’s funny about all this is that Halland is most favorable to win because FIFA is looking for its next Poster Child
Haaland deserved it tho😅
Fifa don’t choose the winner
@@tevildo45 the voting is by fifa's top 100 ranked journalists.. so the winner is still in the hands of fifa..
@@fotballaddictHe Does,No One Would Say Messi Deserves Ballon Do’r If It Wasn’t For The WC
Haaland deserves it
If Ballon d'or is a popularity contest, then Messi is the one of the most popular players ever (if not the most, it exists before instagram or any social media)
There should be a ballon d’or for every single position
They did Leao dirty this year for sure
I don't think numbering these things would help though. There were too many variables that could be in play. Rather than putting them separately, i think it should be considered in one unified whole consisting of individual performances, clutch/brilliant moments, and awards/accolades the player had.
Haaland vs. Messi probably would end up like Modric in 17/18. Despite him being the best forward in the sport right now, Haaland wasn't crucial in Man City's treble win. In fact, people could argue that in early 2022/23, Haaland's lack of versatility weaken City significantly. He didn't consistently score in big games, nor he was clutch (if anything, that was Gundogan and Rodri). Messi, on the other hand had worse domestic record, but his individual moments were absolutely ridiculous in World Cup. He basially decked all the teams in the knockouts almost single-handedly; that goal vs. Australia, that impossible assist vs. Netherlands, his pass winning a penalty and treating Gvardiol like an amateur vs Croatia, and that movement of his and Lautaro vs. France.
I think Haaland probably should win it, but the distance between those two isn't as far as people think. Messi will end up winning it though.
What you saying is true. But the performance matters
What you say makes a lot of sense, but it also shows why Haaland shouldn't win the award. Haaland was not the best player, he just scored the most goals, that's it. he is the best goalscorer, but not the best player. Those are not the same thing.
@@tomatoisnotafruit5670 Yea, that's why i said Messi's not that far behind him. I wouldn't be bothered as well if Messi win it
I somewhat think the data would be also interesting should you remove both Messi and Ronaldo from the equation for the last 25 years or so. You know, removing the outliers from data sets.
i wonder how many ballon dor winner didnt even participate in the world cup in the same year or failed to qualify for knockout rounds.
I just checked it. It was only Kevin Keegan (1978) who didnt qualify to the world cup and Ronaldo (2014) who failed to qualify for knockout rounds. 75 % of all Ballon D'or Winner atleast made it to the top4 which has the maximum amount of games played during a wold cup.
A different breed is a player that controls the game. A striker is not a "different breed"
TL;DR
- Be an attacking minded player
- Be marketable
- Score a fair bit in the season (goals count a lot higher then assists)
- Be French (optional for a few bonus points)
Messi beeing the best player 2018 and not even in the top 5 proves it.
I am happy for Modric tho, but Messi not making it in to top 5 that year was crazy.
On the other hand many players act as if Messi only wins it for beeing Messi, but I guess those people dont take a look beyond the goal count.
It's amazing how Luka Modric doesn't check any of those points. My legend ❤
@@zosiazaremba7479 lol
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Xavi and iniesta won the WC with better stats than modric 2018 not just scoring wise but playmaking succesfull pass completed dribble succesfull tackle etc
Sneijder won the treble and a world cup finalist (runner up)
Messi deff robbed 2010 if u guys saying world cup winner deserve it than xavi or iniesta deserve it PESSI FANS LOGIC 💨📈
Your system was'nt that bad you just made a mistake with causation.
Messi & Ronaldo win a lot of Ballon dors => Real, Barca, La liga, Arg, and Por obviously get boosted statwise. They didnt win because they played for those Teams. Imo Country, League and Team should have been left out completly. You should have instead added amount of Hatricks, amount of playtime, Winning Goals for different Leagues. Boost the Value of the World Cup since it only happens every 4 years and give Messi a +5 just for existing. Then its probably accurate.
Agreed. This was more of a commonality assessment than an actual assessment on performance. The award is inherently biased.
But I think a look at those in-game stats is interesting topic for the future!
Wtf by 5+ for messi for just existing the hell 😅
@@fotballaddictbecause he’s better than all the rest
I think for 2023 it's a perfect split down the middle for either Haaland or Messi. I love them both so I won't be whining either way. It really is just down to preference. Messi was in a less competitive league and is no longer in Europe but had a ridiculous WC performance that was nothing short of historic and it's not really fair to hold it over his head for over a decade and say that not winning the WC is the reason he wasn't the best but then when he goes and wins it say that it's 'just the world cup'... Then there's Haaland who had an absolutely ridiculous season and won the treble but was a striker in by far the best team in Europe (not much competition for the PL title when 4/6 of the big teams are in the mud) and tbh he kinda ghosted in against Madrid and in both finals... so yeah. Could go either way and I'd be happy with either winner. As for the ballon d'or as a whole, I think the voting should be more rigorous but overall I've been pretty satisfied with the results. I don't think you can argue that Benzema, Modric or Messi (to name a few recent winners) were not deserving winners in their own right. There's unfortunately always going to be someone who gets the short end of the stick, that's how it's gonna be when you try and whittle down every player in the biggest team sport down to one. It's a necessary concept but an inherently messy one. I think this video overlooked a couple of things but overall it's a good idea to demand more accountability from big organisations.
dont be stupid, we are all know for using emotion to choose who get Ballon Dor, well if it is actual still worth something
Rodri completely deserves it. He is the most important to the best team in the world right now. He runs, dribbles, tackles, scores, assists, intercepts, progressively passes etc. He is the most complete. He has silverware, he has individual accolades, he has everything!
If u were to take away the names of the players and just look at stats and achievements then it’s Haaland in a landslide. Only issue is Messi name is front and center and approaching sports with an unbiased approach is rare these days
You wouldn't make this comment if you actually bother to research.
You cant measure Messi by stats, he has that Wow factor wheneber he plays
Messi had the stats dude atleast do some research before writing on CZcams.
@@gaoaibai6243 Dude, a majority of Messi’s stats were from ligue 1, which Haaland would’ve probably scored like 60 goals in, & international friendlies 😭
He’s front and center because he’s the greatest of all time
Sooooo Julian Alvarez needs to play in Spain, gotcha
Many people seem confused between Ballon d'or (best player) and Golden boot (Top scorer)
All it takes to win golden boot is scoring the most from anyone else. Even if it's a penalty or tap ins. It counts.
While to win ballon d'or, it's a little bit tricky, because it's from your average performance rating over the year and not just from the goal. The key is being consistently the best in every match = most man of the match in a year.
Of course, the ballon d'or is only relevant when their team actually won something in the first place because of that player influence. Not just sitting on the bench, while golden boot can stiil be won if a player manages to score 100 goals in a match and then sits on the bench a whole season
Messi win vs Van Dijk was extremely and totally deserved. Only some brainless CR7 fans can claim that he didn't deserve that one after having the biggest carry job ever from a footballer. Lewa was robbed the 2020 award by fifa and also its arguable he deserved the 2021 one that Messi won. Ronaldo deserved the 2018 one too. This year Messi absolutely deserves it after the greatest performance in the greatest competition in all of sports plus second best club numbers albeit in easier leagues. Halaand winning it would be absolutely deserved too
Haaland was not as good as what people say, he was not as good as Kane in the Prem and was not as consistent in the Champions League.
@@vauxvids Maybe but his numbers are just too insane to ignore despite not performing in big games. KDB and Rodri deserve a shout too
if haaland doesn't win it its rigged😆
R9 won a ballon d'or despite being injured all season.
Paolo rossi won a ballon d'or despite playing 3 games all season.
You can say haaland deserves the ballon d'or but dismissing messi from the conversation is idiotic.
Messi will get it this year
@@yes-wh1zjnot to mention Cannavaro in 2006
Always has been
@@GIBBO4182 i can mention everysingle ballon d'or winner before 2010.
They all either had a great world cup or won the thing.
The mental gymnastics by some people trying to completely omit messi from the discussion are pathetic.
Erling will be in contention again, this is Messi's last big trophy to cap off the world cup and his amazing career. I say we put our biases aside and let the world celebrate Messi one last time before Erling dominates for the foreseeable future
Go for a full stack beard, you’re nearly there 👌🏾
i hope Messi wins it 🥰🥰
Doesnt deserve it but sure
@@azrrrrrrrrWell he has an argument mate
@@azrrrrrrrr35+ goals 25+ assists.. Not deserving?
@@abhinavburnwal863 farmed those stats in france and had a stinker in europe just like mbappe 🤭
@abhinavburnwal863 context matters! He played on a superstar squad that barely won 5th strongest league and got embarrased in champions league. He played well at world cup but that is not enough cause rest of his season was bad. Haaland and de bruyne bith won treble and should win ballon d or as well
Lautaro's lifting it, for sure
If Leonel Messi wins this year's Ballan do'r, he will be the first person to win it in every professional club he's played for🐐😂😂😂❤