Large Sebenza 21 Review with typical overindulgent runtime
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That last shot of the Sebenza with the 110 says it all. Legends.
Torx!!! CRK’s have hex bits! Or Allen keys, which come with it. D18 is the 4th quarter of 2018, which the scales where produced.
" they'll laugh and tease you on the factory floor " best line ever hahaha
Great review and summary, Pete. Your absolutely right about the price, but after buying higher end knives all over the place for the last 2-3 years, there is just something the small Sebenza has, that all others are lacking. What I've also realized lately, is that with many of my purchases I was unconsciously trying to find Sebenza-ish qualities in knives at a lower price point, so I would worry less about using them. What I've achieved by this, is ending up with a bunch of semi-expensive knives that together out-price a Sebenza many times, but still fails to outperform it on attributes that are important to me. I might just find it just as sensible to sell off most of them, and rather get my small Sebenza a big brother. Decadent or not, I also like the fact that there is some history attached to a knife, not at the cost of practicality, but if I can have it both ways - yeah.
My experience is similar in some ways. What Pete said about giving a Sebenza as a gift makes sense and it being the last/only knife you really need. My difference is that I finally bought myself a Large & Small “gift” & have found that most other knives I have acquired don’t get much carry time.
One other knife I’ve grown to love that I ‘gifted’ to myself is the Reate made, Liong Mah designed ‘Lanny Flipper’. It satisfies my fidgeting & flicking needs that the Sebenzas don’t.
M390 sharpen easier than s35vn. Is m390 made in USA?
Knife Noob
M390 is German made I believe but is nearly chemically equivalent to the US made 20CV
It does not sharpen easier than S35VN in my experience but is quite manageable. The CRK knives purposely don’t harden their S35VN as much as some other makers.
I have met a dozen guys who buy $1k+ knives regularly and say exactly the same thing you do.
While $400 range is my current limit and I'm not baller, I feel the exact same way as well.
I own a 25, had a CF 21, and just picked up a full Ti 21 for all the reasons you said.
Just a phenomenal knife.
@User 2389 what’s your point? As it happens I didn’t sell off all of my other knives after all. Preferences and needs evolve, but that didn’t happen at the expense of the Sebenza. I like it just as much. I like S35VN too. Not the hottest steel out there, but pretty well balanced for the applications I like to use my small 21 for.
Of the copious Sebenza 21 reviews I've seen, this is my favorite.
bought my sebenza in 1989 and umnum in 2009. as i recall they were $250 and $325 each. boy am i glad i kept them.
This is the most balanced and practical review of the Chris Reeve Large Sebenza 21 knife on CZcams! Nice job! Seriously, thanks for putting such thought into it! I don’t own this knife (yet?), and your review clarified a lot of my own uncertainties / feelings about the knife, which is what you hope a review will do when you hit ‘play’.
The secret to buying midtechs is to buy them on the secondary market. I’ve bought many CRKs for extreme discounts if you’re patient. I see Large 21’s selling for $300 or so in lightly used condition. For example, I got a 3.5” XM-18 for $230 last week. Nearly 50% off and it’s like new. The traditional big 3 “Hinderer, Strider, CRK” are still my favorite knives despite owning and using all the newer stuff on the market. :)
At the end of the day, the Lg 21 will always be the best EDC cutting tool on the market in my view. Value doesn’t mean end price. The customer service/warranty, spa services, resale value, are all factors to consider here. For example, if that SpydieChef develops lock rock a few years from now, what is spyderco going to do for you? Nothing.
clean the damn table top, drives me bongos. And tell Nick the same thing...:)
I thought I was alone on this point.
the table aligns perfectly fine with an ausie who reviews tools. dont forget knives are tools you fools
After cleaning all the inner bits, going on about smoothness and fine machining, it would sick to get some rope pieces stuck in the action, then ground into pieces while flicking it. And now you have to take the whole fuckin thing apart to clean it again.
See, cleaning your work surface is a practical matter. Aussies are supposed to be practical, yeah (or "oi")?
Lmfao
Thank you taking apart the Sebenza. I hadn’t seen the inside before.
love this seb 21 review
my comment was to long and hard to type, so in short I'm glad to see you posting and agreed the Sebenze is a great knife with great history while at the same time is a large amount for such a tool. I understand anyone who loves or doesn't understand why one needs such an expensive cutting tool. Theres so many sides into being a knife lover, or collector, or In my old case I was just addicted to buying every knife made to see what was the best TO ME. In the end I took a brake and sold most only keeping about 10 of them, sadly I sold many that were very amazing but I just found to expensive to comfortably use and abuse. Good luck to all on there folding knife journey for those into Sebenzas I also recommend Les Georges VECP it like a sebenza on steroids but even smoother and IMO way more comfortable, and for those not wanting to spend that much try a Kizer T1. I can say I sold most of my high end blades but kept two kizer T1 and have never like a knife more for cutting and there fun as hell to open and having owned three can take a serious beating. The End.
Actually was planning on getting my dad one of these for Christmas. He's been ogling them for years. You bringing that up pretty much seals the deal!
Bro he'll love it!
@@corysaylor1305 My man! lol good to see you on here. Where did you buy yours?
@@knoxknifemods I grabbed it from DLT trading. They always seem to have a good selection of CRK.
Best review hands down of the Sebenza. Real thoughts and honest opinions. I’m fixing to find out if the price tag is too far for me tomorrow. Honestly can’t believe I’ve gotten to this point, a bit of a ridiculous feeling buying a knife this much, but tired of “Instagram” knives that are all form and no function, here today, gone tomorrow with no long term support from the manufacturers.
Almost 11 minutes in before you used the word "tolerance." I was starting to think this wasn't a real sabenza review.
I cringe when I hear most reviewers use the specific term “excellent tolerances”. My career was in metal cutting manufacturing and on mechanical drawings & designs a ‘tolerance’ is merely an allowable amount of deviation from a specified dimension to stay within spec. So while there’s the ability of a designed item to have “tight tolerances” you really cannot have “excellent tolerances”.
You can, however, have excellent designs, excellent specs, or excellent quality control. Semantics but when I hear the term excellent tolerances it gets under my skin & so many reviewers (not Pete!) use it.
Great comment btw. Cracked me up!
ogenmatic You have “excellent tolerance” of people who speak without knowledge of what they are saying. Many have the delusion that tools are made to the exact dimensions. Tolerances that we find acceptable is where we should spend our money.
@@ogenmatic agreed. It seems like a term more often used when talking about knives over the $300 mark. A term maybe used to justify the price point, that's my best guess.
I’m a machinist and some of these comments are just out there. And he is correct there is tight tolerances open tolerances all of the above but excellent? Just explain excellent cause I work with .0001 tolerances all the time. Is that excellent no it’s the tolerance required for that specific part. Nothing brilliant nothing excellent it’s the tolerance ask for lol. Any decent Cnc can hold lol
These tolerances
I think the best bet on a Sebi is to get one off blade forums Chris Reeve forum for 325-350 if you dont like it you can still get all your money back out. Also I prefer the inkosi
Very very good review!
"The warm piss turns into cold piss as I sat in my piss"
Poetry
Too decadent for me is a great explanation. Chris Reeves is a legend - I remember him still working out of South Africa. Don't think people realise the tech that he developed which have lead directly to like 80% of most modern pocket knives.
Seen a couple vids about this knife and yours explains it better than anybody. One day I’ll get one but honestly it won’t happen anytime soon. I want a Hinderer but after you show that blade I might get a CRK first.
Thx for your honesty and the large 21 has always been why I only own two folders
Rat2 aus8
Pm2 s30v
I don’t want to make that jump into that coast,yet.
I still dream of owning one
The atom has everything I want and getting the head nod from you that’s where I’m going.
Not that I need another folder but the atom has what I’m looking for pocket rotation.
Now it’s waiting to catch a drop.
So I’ll still spring for the 21 when I’m ready and I know I’ll find one.
The sabenza is made to use and not being a guy who has intentions of keeping a case full of folders it makes sense to me own and use.
I have a Millennium Large Sebenza and have enjoyed the ownership and using it for all those years. No reason it won't do a heap of years more.
(The Large is the better knife over the small if you were to only have one Sebenza.)
Great review, just about sums it up.
I have work tools, knives, watches, all sorts that get a battering. And I have some prestige items/tool just because they are so nice to own and use. The Sebenzas, because of their price, do fit the latter, even though very able.
Very capable and understated are why I love mine. A Classic for good reason. There maybe a better knife out there but it won't be a Sebenza. The Omega Watch of folding knives.
Enjoyable vid as always Pete!
I have always wondered about the Sebenza but I just can't get over that price hurdle.
It was my experience that simply handling them was far different than finally owning them. When my friend loaned me both a large & small for a couple of months my thinking was, “Yes. Exceptionally nice but that price!”
Once I finally bought one it was almost like a prideful thing where I just kept growing my appreciation for it simply because it was mine. Hard to explain but it’s kinda like driving a car that most people can’t afford and feeling cool driving down the road. Not the same thing as when you get to drive a friend’s cool car or rent one. That feeling is fleeting whereas actually owning it lasts & lasts.
@@ogenmatic Interesting. I'll keep and ear to the ground and see what happens. Thank you for the insight.
Spyderco Gayle Bradley 2 is the poor mans Sebenza. Size is almost identical. Blade grind almost identical. Ergos are very similar. Thick liners instead of frame lock. It is a very confidence inspiration knife.
... and M4 :-)
Ok mic dropped after that intro ... oh damnnnnnn. That was a great intro and there’s really no one, aside from advanced knife bro, that has any kind of humor that makes me spit out my coffee or my wine.... I effing love it when that happens. You are one hilarious knife nut 🥜. I just bought my first custom knife and I said I never would. So I bought two from a guy that is amazing and dukes metal complex’s channel with knives. I’ve never been happier. Large sebenza is another on the list!! Great video, as always.
This was a great review! I have the Spydy Chef and I just can't pull the trigger on the Sebenza...I want the damn thing but is it worth double?
I never understood why hollow grinds kinda went out of vogue.
Love my Sebenzas.
I think they went out of favour as the “tough”, “hard use” thing gained some traction
I think it was when nutnfancy wouldn't stop talking about full flat ground knives as being ridiculously amazing.
Yep. All the CZcams “experts” told us that Spyderco was the end-all-be-all and they make almost everything in FFG. Lots of makers doing lots of great stuff out there but still people need their vanity brands. And all those experts yapping about Scandi for bushcraft and FFG for EDC folders. Anything else and you’re an ignoramus.
We like "new" things. Folding knives used to be the last knives you'd see in full flat grinds. When ffg caught on, people left hollow grinds behind, because it's what our forefathers used, which obviously means it's obsolete, right? Trends are cyclical though, so hollow grinds will make a return(it's already starting). Similarly, straight razors and safety razors have made a return, despite our access to razors with 15 blades, 3 lotion strips, battery powered trimmer, and the pre-programmed robotic voice that tells you how manly you are.
Buy what you like and ignore the trends. Remember, the mullet was once cool... people make bad choices...
Albatross
Cracked me up with that ‘robotic voice’ comment! I agree about the cyclic nature of fads & trends. I actually got an outstanding hollow ground folder a couple of months ago. The Liong Mah designed ‘Lanny Flipper’ made by Reate in M390. Outstanding knife.
Knives are for cutting. I think it's hilarious to see the end of your video, comparing the Buck 110 to a Sebenza. And the Buck slices about equally well. My 110 LT was under $20 US. I bought a new old stock 110 like yours for $20. And my most expensive one was $32. Uncle Randy might be proud of you. I'll likely never have a Sebenza. Nice to see you playing with one though.
Dammit, I wish you folks would quit invoking my name.
Great video
I just bought a Spyderco GB2 and thought about you. Isn't very near a perfect Pete-knife? Hollowground, M4 steel, neutral handle, same blade length as a large sebenza?
Pete. You did the sebenza justice. I was worried i was going to have to make another video teaching people why sebenza is life.
Too soft
@@FearNoSteel haven't found better s35vn yet. You're blocked now
@@FearNoSteel you're to soft. Im feeling triggered
@@neroknives1828 too hard
Ehhm, cut test anytime soon? Always good to see your new vid Pete.
Yeah got some new mules in soon
@@CedricAda yay!)
hahha definitely not, the cardboard guys are welcome to that kettle of fish
I turned on CZcams saw the new video told my family I’m not available for the next 30 minutes me and the dog are going to the knife lab 🔬
So now they make these with a Magnacut blade, would you change your opinion on buying one?
Great video... I really love the Sebenza for many reasons and I think you pointed most of them out on this video.. great job as always 👍
I think I like the Buck 110 best... you can’t beat a bit of wood and brass over titanium slabs!
Wow really nice looking knife ever!!! :D
At the sydney knife show a few years ago I picked up the sebenza (after asking if I could) and it did... nothing for me. I can't really say why, I was expecting a bit of a "oh wow" moment and all I got was meh. The price is a big barrier, and I'm not a frame lock guy and recently I've been leaning a lot more to flippers. So, the We Knife 818 in M390 is my current EDC and I'm really digging it. You gotta go with your heart on these things. Mind you I have not taken it apart yet, so there is that.
I once won a PJ Sebenza in a raffle and kept it for a week then raffled it off.
I was totally underwhelmed by it.
Then a few months later happened to see a CF version on ebay going for a song, now have 4 CRK's.
It's not the only brand I like but maybe you should give them another chance.
Would you please review the ZT 0452CF and 0562CF please?
Thank you!
Plus 10 on 0452
What was that first knife he compared the seb blade to??
I've been playing Red Dead Redemption 2 and it made me want to get a bowie knife so I picked up a Buck 119 because they're pretty cheap. I didn't really plan on using it much but the fantastic hollow ground blade is such an outstanding cutter that I'm modding the terrible handle so I can actually use it.
Hey mate, do you still like it? Is the steel good enough to warrant buying it?
How can i get a CRK in sydney aus? Anyone know a dealer?
Best review of a sebenza. Great honesty and explanations of things hard to actually put words on.
The beginning of this felt like a Wes Anderson film
Torx bits on a sebenza? how? Aren't they all allen keys?
Holy shit - I fall behind on youtube for a couple of weeks, but man I was glad to see the Cedric & Ada/ Friendlyjordies cross over at the start! Epic! Love this channel even more than I already did now!
Eh not replaceing my svord peasant mini any time soon.
It only escalates
Knife dissembly video, the first that I remember (or that has made an impression, though that could be caused by the tool in question). When are you getting a Batman mask? Or is it too late already... 😉
You should find one secondary on IG or Facebook ( Chris Reeve B/S/T group), large Sebs go easily 300-350.
Warm piss turned into cold piss and I sat in my piss. Lmao I laughed so much at this for some reason haha
Love the Sebenza 21!
I'd have thought the holes in the washer were to allow the bad stuff (dust) to move away from the the mated surfaces. Or whatever the opposite of what you said, is. Dunno.
Another great video Pete, I'm not into CRK and likely won't ever own one but always enjoy seeing your take in things.
Hollow grinds have pretty much monopolized my collection as well.
S35 Vn is not a top steel? What all around steel is better? Shapens easly,gets super sharp, ect,ect.
S35VN is some good shit.
M390 is probably the most balanced high end steel at the moment, though others would disagree I’m sure.
A Torx driver on hex screws?
I almost passed out when I saw this, too.
@@ReclusiveMountainMan wtf it's fake.
@FlamQ DbltapIt's a geunine CKR ffs!
What is the intro referencing? If nothing that’s very cool.
Maybe I’m doing it wrong but my small 21 is super finicky to put back together
You're doing it wrong. Tim Reeve has videos on how to clean and reassemble their knives. The small 21 is easy
I think you're wrong about your cardboard statement at 10:00. The force in between the box and the blade is friction, and the amount of area touching does not affect the amount of friction it has. The only thing that causes friction is the force of the box squeezing the knife, and the coefficient of friction between the two materials. Maybe the hollow grind does slice through better, but it has nothing to do with the amount of material touching the knife.
Thanks for the review. For me, overrated and too damn expensive. I'm quite happy with my ultimate EDC, a Cold Steel Recon I clip point with CTS XHP (sadly no longer available). I hate thumb studs and much prefer flippers. However, you can "train" a Recon I (maybe some other knives, too) to flip open with a hard wrist flick. Leave it partially open for three days and blast it with WD-40. Oh yes: my Recon I is partially serrated so I can easily cut small branches, vines, big boxes. Had a primo ZT which was great unless you wanted to cut a small branch. Recon I; don't leave home without it. :-)
I’ve always wonder how tall you (and a lot of other knife reviewers are). I’m 6’2” or 6’3” ish and try to estimate the level of comfort of the knives I don’t have easy access to. Great vid , as always.
Me too. Looks like that Sebenza will fit everything but my wallet. Any time I have $450-600 to spend on a knife...I buy a gun. Because, 'Murica.
Magnum Mountaineer His height/Hand ratio must be way off then.
Clearly Clive was not part of the Antwars. Uncle Bucket could teach him a thing or two! Thanks for the Vid Pete :)
Why are you're using #8 torx instead of 5/64 hex?
cos it fits perfectly! i only got the knife on loan not all the bits a pieces
And you make some strong points about the “line” or your “limits.” We all have to get in sync with that and kind of readjust or play around until we find our place.
does that mean a Socom review is coming next?
I almost skipped this video because of the length.I enjoyed it so much that I hated to see it end.Good job, thanks for posting.
I would have thought the holes in the washer could potentially trap dirt?
Once the pivot is tightened, there is essentially no gap for dirt to get in. That is one of the main benefits of washers as opposed to bearings.
I think higher end Chinese manufacturing has us all spoiled now.
The workers that make china knives are the opposite of spoiled.
So now that you like the bigger Sbenza, you should consider telling everyone with the smaller one that it isn't a knoife.
Hell ya first!
Hey Pete! How are you doing buddy?
Just find one in good shape on the used market for a good price it's a win win you get it for cheaper and it's broken in so it's not so stiff
I wish my 21 would open like that.
And yes my thumb hurts.
New fav 21 psychological analysis
ludt is the thinner behind the edge. sebenza is a great but ludt is better made for a slicer imo
To tear down use HEX not Torx... great review.
Was someone watching the last blade runner movie..interlinked...😂
1) the hollow grind cts-xhp American Lawman was an excellent design.
2)large Inkosi > large sebenza IMHO
3) the thumbstuds do stink.
I like where your hair is at right now. Good length!
This or Gayle Bradley?
This is brilliant please make more videos like this
I can definitely understand the issue with the price. I’ve been able to justify the price because the sebenza has taken the place of many other knives for me. It is very capable and versatile while being very reliable and durable. Where many of my other knives such as microtechs, benchmades etc have developed blade play, lock rock and things of that nature my 6 year old sebenza hasn’t had a single problem.
Big fan of a good hollow grind too! Not sure why we don’t see more knives with these grinds!
Why on earth use Torx drivers on Allen screws? All that engineering goes into a Sebenza, and then that :-(. They even supply the correct wrench as a courtesy. Your centering was off because you installed the washers differently from the way they wore in. In other words, you flipped at least one of them.
I appreciate the review but I still don't see why its so expensive. Does it being thinner behind the edge and having a slightly smoother action make a 200 dollar knife worth 450 dollars as opposed to getting something with much better materials that actually stands out
@Blue Makes sense i don't see the point of a Rolex either when a casio can do everything better for a fraction of the price
Did you say it has torquex screws. CRK uses Allen wrenches.
they do haha, but i managed to fit a torx in and turn it
Hey, BTW, I agree with you about the Spydie Chef. It’s definitely in my top three favorites for steel, design, and quality.
I don't get why they don't put in those big fucking washers on the lock side like on the Inkosi..
I found a brand new one with black micarta on eBay for 400$. Great knife. Blade replacements are possible. Great heat treatment. Great people. Umnumzaan is better though 👍
Got a 2015 large sebenza 21 with unique graphics and tiger's eye inlay from a youtuber for $400 in mint condition. And just like Pete, I really didn't get it until I took it apart and put it back together. Made me buy a stock umnumzaan and then a large inkosi, tanto blade with natural micarta inlays.
The inkosi is the most ergonomic for me. But the bushing pivot on the sebenza makes it the overall winner. Love them all though and will never part with them.
Why would you use a Torx on a Hex screw??? I'm only 4 minutes into the video, but definitely head scratching...
i know, it didnt work at all so I feel really silly. Oh wait
@@CedricAda it does work initially but DON'T DO THIS! It may work a couple of times (or in an emergency) but it eventually will round out the head. Use the right tool for the job!
I just bought a Lg21 for 250, if you’re patient there are plenty out there for a good price
I love how the Atom slices. At this point I've owned 2, and 3 Neutrons, and 1 Nerd.
Pete....I swear to God Pete. If I buy a sebenza I'm blaming you. I'd better not want to spend 450 bucks at the end of this review.
Blue I’m fucking tempted. 🤔🙄😬
passively zoned out watching this, when melodies of life woke me the F up. haven't heard/thought about that song in a while.
buy once cry once! is my thought also.
Sebenza is excellent edc,but way overpriced,and that turns me off.Hollow grinds are excellent for edc,like it better than flat.
Someone give Pete the CRK UMNUMZAAN! Mainly because i want to see some more funny vids, but i would love his opinion compared to the Sebenza.
I like how you don’t blow off the rope cuttings from your work bench while working on the knife! In line with Advanced Knife Bro not bothered by ants crawling around on him during his knife reviews! Must drive the OCD crowd crazy.
Centering is overrated to be sure, but I would expect more from a 400 dollar knife.
I expect a lap dance from my 400$ Knife.
More like "Buy once, Ball your eyes out" when you either lose it, or some confiscation happy LEO decides it would look better in his pocket.. Only you can decide if you can afford to lose a $500 EDC pocket knife.. For some that's chicken scratch, regrettably I'm not one of them.
2:14 I’m still in those underwear to this day.
Was I the only one trying to blow the bits of rope off the work top during the cleaning section? #triggered
Left handed tho not much competition