Neither of my 31’s have this but I ran across this from CRK that explains it well: "When applying force to the spine of the Sebenza 31's blade, you will feel some vertical movement. Rest assured, your lock-up is secure. This movement is the lockbar flexing in response to pressure, though the ceramic ball, acting as a fulcrum, and will maintain its position against the blade tang. It is very much a sound lock and when put to the test, proves stronger than the heat-treated lock on the Sebenza 21. All of our models with ceramic ball interfaces have varying degrees of lock flex so this is not abnormal, though the Sebenza 31 seems to be under extra scrutiny as it is the newest."
I’ve never had a 31 but I always preferred my 21’s lock feel and sound than the ceramic ball on my umnumzaan. I miss my old knives. Gosh they cost a left nut now the older models. I had so many good ones!
@@doodysdaggers It should bother you. Even if they claim its normal and secure, part of what you're paying for is the user experience and build quality. They are one of the most expensive production knives, I would say you have a legitimate complaint.
So _all_ Sebenzas should be doing this then? Otherwise the ceramic ball is a _downgrade._ The Chinese manufacturers seem to be able to make a frame lock that doesn't wobble. _My Spyderco slipjoint doesn't even wobble!_ This comment isn't directed at you personally, just the shıtty situation CRK created.
I’ve had 5 CRKs with the same ceramic ball detent/lock bar insert. None of mine have had a hint of lock rock but I have heard from other people they have had this issue. Sorry you got a dud man that sucks. CRK might be able to fix it but I understand selling it as is and moving onto something different might be easier. Keep it up with the uploads, I have been enjoying your content a lot.
Ive been bidding on some Sebenzas.... After reading about the stiffness being standard and that you need to break it in for AGES... I was somewhat turned off... I wanted to experience that glassy tight tolerance opening closing action... but for a premium knife I think it shouldnt come with any of the little hiccups... Im a bit turned off CRK now.. thanks for the video
I have to correct you. Chris Reeve has never used a steel lock bar insert in any knife. He changed it to the ceramic ball lock but originally it was just the titanium lock bar that was heat treated
Sad day, I remember the video and how happy you were to finally get one...but that shit would be a deal breaker for me too...any kind of play(detent lash, lock rock, side to side) for me personally, is just something that will sit in the back of my mind and I will always think of it when I handle that particular knife...it's one of those "you can't unsee" things...
Any knife that is $500+ should not have these sorts of unfortunate defects. It's absurd that brand loyalists will excuse this. There are budget knives I've owned that don't experience this, and that also use a bearing detent. Sucks man, I would feel bitter about that as well.
I totally get that , would bother me as well especially on a $600 knife give or take a lil , but specifically spending that much id want it to b perfect
Tja Richard, hoppas du inte har en Sebenza, jag har haft EDC och knivar och allt i det världen i nästan 30 år, men jag aldrig förstår mig på folk köper Sebbenza för de pengarna det finns inget som är speciellt med kniven,
Haha that Rosie got you spoiled. Bummer on the lock rock. My sebbie insingo doesn’t have that lock rock. Has broken in very well. I can flick mine open. Good luck on the sale 🤙🏻
My 2 Inkosi’s are very solid and very smooth. Have a 31 where the lock rock went away after opening and closing it for awhile. The ceramic ball makes a track on the lock interface while it’s breaking in. In theory, checking for lock rock a lot while it’s making a track can cause it to make additional tracks to follow which could result in less stability.
I’ve got the same sebenza as you, but with the black micarta inlays. I must admit, I was prepared to be disappointed when I bit the bullet, because I knew what the action was going to be like after watching reviews and also thinking it’s just another titanium frame lock. But I’m really impressed with it, no regrets at all, it feels like a knife that will last a lifetime. Mine has no lock rock, and I like the action, so I understand why you’re not feeling yours.
It’s not lock rock. Lock rock is a defect caused by improper lock face angle. The CRK ceramic lock ball allows the bar to flex a tad but the ball remains in place on the lock face. The 31, Umnumzaan and Inkosi all have this lock bar flex. I carry an Inkosi but have had a 31 and Umnumzaan. I wish more people understood what was actually happening so that folks don’t think these knives are defective. This is how misinformation is spread.
@@doodysdaggers there was an interview, which I can’t find now, where someone with CRK was saying that since the lock bar can flex, but the ball remains in place and essentially pivots on the contact point on the tang, that it’s stronger than a lock bar that flexes under load and the lock disengages since it cannot maintain the contact point. Oh and I love your vids. Keep up the awesome work!
My 2 sebenzas 31 larg also large and small inkosi and umnumzaan are solid and I saw a video about the lock rock and tried pushing the spine but nothing even though I don’t see it as a big problem but at the end of the day it’s comes back to you if it’s really bothering you don’t keep it because you will never carry it again I hope that you get a good deal out of it good luck
It would bug me as well. No matter how secure I'm sure it is, I wouldn't be able to look past it once I'd felt it. When you drop that kind of money, you want to be happy every time you handle it. I would rather turn that $ into another knife or knives that make me smile and make me want to carry it
The lanyard post rattling on my 31 drove me nuts as soon as I unboxed it & took off the stock cord. Made me not even want to carry the knife lol, yeah shouldn't be hard to disassemble & fix but why is that even a thing.
@@doodysdaggers well that’s good to hear. Love your cut tests and looking forward to seeing if this one passes it. I am looking to buy, just not sure which CRK to go with yet ✌️❤️
Man I get where you're coming from. I couldn't get past the lock rock either! 😫 And it took me over a year to like/break-in my small 31. Wonder how many people will try to tell you how it is supposed to be "slow rolled out". FFS. Hope it sells for ya😊. Take care. 👍👍🔪
My small 31 is at crk right now. Mine never broke in, the action was horrible, took two hands and sometimes a flat head screw driver to close the knife because the lock bar would get so stuck. Thumbs were bleeding. I sent it back. Funny thing is, my dad ordered one too, his was smooth and had 0 lock stick. It’s been 4 weeks, still waiting to get it back
honestly it seems like more of a nitpick than an actual issue. I have a new seb 31 tanto and it has a slight bit of rock and personally it does not bother me in the least.
I had three 31s the past few years and sold all of them because of the lock rock. All the 21s and Inkosis I had were solid. HOPEFULLY, they have fixed the lock rock by now.
You know, it’s so funny. I get a ton of comments on this video from 31 lovers saying “I’ve owned ten thousand 31s and not a SINGLE one has that lock rock!!”
I have a 07/2023 Large PJ 31 and it's solid as a rock. When the 31 came out Tim said the lock is stronger than the 21. I'm not sure how the Inkosi or Zaan would be any different considering they both use the same lock bar interface with the ceramic ball.
@@doodysdaggers Yes the 31, Inkosi, and Zaan all use the ceramic ball on the lock bar. The Inkosi doesn’t use a pivot bushing like the sebenza and is generally smoother out of the box and adjustable unlike the 31. Maybe try an Inkosi!
Mine has a tiny tick of back and forward play but that's because of the new ceramic detent ball position if that's the case there's absolutely nothing wrong with the knife It's just the nature of the new ceramic detent ball placement, just keep in mind that you didn't even notice it until your friend told you to press on the spine
I know that this has been a issue on some customers knives and I also know that crk would fix it for yah. But no not all sebenzas have lock rock, I own 2 sebenza 31's and a inkosi and non of them have this issue, no matter how hard I push on the spine. All crk models use the ceramic ball interface now so if you want to try a different model keep thar in mind.
Thats a bummer dude. I've been on the fence about dropping that kind of money on a knife people love to make excuses for all the time. With my luck....lol, hard pass. Good video brother 🤘💜
@@giantfatbergfalse. I bough a small Sebenza, then within a month I bought a second one 😆 First one with drop point and inlays, second was insingo PJ with double silver lugs. Now I’m on the lookilout for another very specific small one - insingo, black micarta inlays and silver double lugs. Seriously though, if you have a definite preference for just one of the blade shapes I think you are right - it’s a definite one and done knife if you only want one knife.
@@adamzappia2213 I know what you mean. In theory it is a one and done but in actuality it is a one and then I’m going to buy many more of these CRKs because they are so good. Sounds like you have some nice ones. All the best to you
I knew something was up when you weren’t carrying/using it as much as I would’ve expected. Have you tried sending it back for warranty? I’ve heard they got a great warranty Good luck on the sale, it should move quickly
All of us go through different knife phases of life lol if you're anything like me you'll be back to Sebenza-ville eventually! Enjoy whatever knife type you land on!
Glad I still have my old 21s. I'd return that knife for the lock rock too. I've been eyeing Chris Reeve again and considering getting a new knife but after hearing about these quality problems I am gonna pass. For the prices they're asking these days, this is unacceptable.
The problem is you aren’t sending it in for them to 100% fix the problem and send it back… These knives are rock solid. There really isn’t a better EDC knife
The problem is it’s priced as a knife that should be perfect and it isn’t. Have plenty of $200-$300 knives that don’t have any issues, better steel/heat treat, better pocket clip, better lockup, better deployment method and action, no rattle. Shouldn’t have to worry about wasting my time mailing my knife to be fixed and not having it in my possession for what is probably a long wait time.
Great video Dood. I say move it on,that's way too expensive a knife to hang on to if you don't love it. Spend the dough on something you do love. Respect. D
Man I want this Sebenza 31 but the problem is you live in the U.S.A. and I live in Europe. And also I decided to ask you are you agree to exchange the Sebenza 31 with some of my brand new knives?
Part of the reason we buy expensive knives is because we want a premium fit and finish. Especially from a brand that advertises a " bank-tight lockup". My $200 knives don't do this. My sabenza 21 doesn't do this. So why should we except this. You were very fair in this review and now I know I don't need to "upgrade". But I love people thinking this isn't a big deal. Sure you don't cut from the spine but that doesn't really matter. It would be like buying an expensive guitar and the tuners weren't smooth, or there was an issue on part of the binding, or maybe some slight overspray on the finish. None of these things effect how well the guitar plays or sounds but you paid $3000 for a gibson and you know there are $1500 guitars that look and perform better. I mean you can buy a glock or walther cheaper than this knife and they will totally do the job. But if I spend $3500 for a Wilson Combat it better be perfect. I know these aren't perfect 1 to 1's but I rest my case. Sorry for the book I just can't believe willingly accept an inferior design just because it comes from their favorite brand.
The Spyderco Swayback kicked the CRK Sebenza out of the collection? 🤣 I love my Swayback and just put the MXG TI deep pocket clip on mine. Thank you for being transparent, I really respect your take on knives 👊
Of course man! Yeah that swayback is unreal, I gotta get a clip too. Trying to decide between MXG and lynch. Send me a photo of yours with the MXG when you get a chance?
I’d send it in for a spa treatment get the knife like new and have them address the lock rock. The warrantee is a part of the price, use it. If you’re still not happy when it returns then sell it you will get more for it after spa. It will take 6 weeks for the spa. I have them all except the small Inkosi and my favorite is the Zaan…
It’s scary how I was thinking the exact same things about my sebenza and then this video pops up 😂 I’d be able to overlook the issues if it didn’t cost so much $$$$
Any knife will do that if pry on it hard enough. Literally every Spyderco I own. If you don’t want blade rock get a fixed blade. If you want your knife to open faster get an otf. Folding knives were never meant to be hard use knives. That’s a great knife bro.
@@doodysdaggers It's a "feature?" I didn't know that. I could not find that on their site. Where do they mention that? These knives are made to tolerances in the ten-thousandths range. I have 2 large 31s and 2 small 31s, all with different blade steels and none of them exhibit this issue. My newest one was made in Sept of 2023. I guess this means two things. First, my newest knife is missing a feature. Second, it's time to go buy a lottery ticket. :))
I'm surprised you didn't research it with your knife community before you before you went and made an expensive purchase. Remember the lock failures on the Vosteed knifes I was purchase one of 4 that kept failing in the company just discontinued that. I always do my Intel Check reviews before I purchase anything
I’m sending a brand new Ritter Hogue RSK Auto because the blade has more side to side play than I like. My Pro-Tech doesn’t have that problem. It’s totally fine to be picky and demand better from manufacturers.
Sorry just read your post mate. I’ve had my Seb 25 for 8 years no issues. Hope you backed it to CRK. They should stand by their kit and replace/refund you. Not a cheap knife. Jim UK.
Don’t do it. I think you are going to have sellers remorse down the road. Just my thoughts. Maybe let it ride for a while. It’s a CRK not an everyday run of the mill knife.
I would contact him to see if there’s anything that could be done about it. But I get to the point where somethings I am just done with it, and you have a Rosie now.
Could you make the counter argument that the fact that you enjoyed it for so long without noticing the lock rock that it’s not really a big deal? I can also see how it’s one of those things where ignorance is bliss and now you can’t unsee it. Tough go but there will be other knives 😎
I don’t blame you. Why keep it if you don’t like it. Whatever the issue if your turned off to it and your not going to use it might as well move down the line.
I don't understand, I bought two large Sebenza 31's in the last three weeks and neither one of them does this. They're rock solid. Maybe I'm not pushing with enough force.
The lock rock is a disappointing defect for such an expensive knife. But yeah I get it, that would bother me too especially at those prices. I also like knives that I can just flick open quickly.
Your wrong. The new Sebenza 31s do not have lockrock. Only a few of them had it. And even with the lock rock, it’s still more solid of a lockup than 99% of other titanium framelocks. Oh and take the god damn lanyard pin out🤣☠️ You literally are complaining about rattling when the damn lanyard is off? Of course the pin is going to rattle. You have to remove the entire pin 😂
Some people might say you're being picky but no way for $600 those things shouldn't be happening. I'm sad that I agree with your take on selling but I do. I hope you get a zaan or inkosi
@doodysdaggers I have a small inkosi on my desk I'm doing photos of and it's stiff af brand new. I'm so used to flicking the knife open so fast 😩 because next to it I have a brb4 v1 I'm taking photos of and it's butter
It’s definitely not all 31s. Mine has zero rock. Forums are pretty much split on this problem. The Inkosi and Zaan each have the same interface without this issue. Buuuuut, I agree with you. If mine had that rock I would have already sold it and bought a new one. No way I could live with that on a knife at that price. It needs to be perfect.
It's the small ball. Not enough locking surface, so it can wiggle a little. It's nothing more than that. The locking surface is literally a small dot. The Inkosi I have does the same. Put the handle on a table and press on the spine. That's easier to see.
TBH, the action (or lack of) on CRK knives has been a deal breaker for me. I have felt plenty of new knives, and none felt as rough and hard to open as the $800 custom Sebenza that I didn't buy.
@@_606Offroad ok, jerkOff. When you try to deploy your tool and it sticks halfway open and you have a handful of whatever you WERE going to cut is it a toy?💩🧠
@@_606Offroad you are slow, huh? It's ok, little buddy. When I pull out a tool to use it and it doesn't function as intended, it causes unnecessary movements and inefficiency in whatever action I am trying to complete. If you had more than a middle school education, you would probably see a little farther than the end of your nose.
I'm with you on that, the lock rock for the price is something I also would not be able to get over. I have an inkosi and tested out to see if it was the same, thankfully it does not have it. So if you ever want another Chris Reeves than I recommend the inkosi. Thanks and wish you the best.
I get it i had a crk for a short while and realized my quiet carry's, spydercos, and trm's were better knifes overall for half the price. Then if u want a strong work knife cold steel just always sitting back waving.
I don’t think it’s a big deal since it’s not a safety issue. I liken it to selling Microtech OTF for having blade play when it’s deployed. I love my 31s and have no intention of selling any of them, but at the end of the day you have to do what’s best for you.
No biggie to me. You paid way too much money to not just absolutely love it. One reason ive never bought a sebenza is I think Sebenza knives are made for people who just want a one and done quality made folding cutting tool. In my knife journey if i pay more than $250 for a pocket knife it better offer more than just a well built cutting tool. It needs to have some looks, art, unique materials, action, sound or something more. Lets be honest you can spend under $300 or less and get the best cutting tool made. And Sebenzas dont offer that to me. And with modern technology is a sebenza really any better than some 150-$200 knives?
I’m agree. $600 is too much to not completely love the knife. And yeah you’re right, after a certain point you’re paying for the design and the brand name. Sometimes it’s worth it, sometimes it’s not
I stopped counting at 17 Chris Reeve knives - I have all of them in all of the steels - I’ve never had an issue but I do not discount those who do. If I am being honest, the only issues I have had are Microtech with off center blades on their recent releases like the Stitch, MSI and LUDT - but marginally off center. Medford IMO is the best knife maker in the planet now - I have 7, never had an issue and I have used customer service for random questions - immediate responses and I couldn’t be happier. My Medford collection will be expanding for sure.
My large 31 doesn't have lock rock, and I'm sure CRK would fix yours if you sent it in.
That’s what I was going to say!
This is the way to go!! I personally think it’s too big, which is why I prefer the small!
Same. When I saw Doody’s earlier video I checked mine and it does not budge
Mine doesn’t have lock rock either.
I have that exact one and no lock rock on mine.
Neither of my 31’s have this but I ran across this from CRK that explains it well:
"When applying force to the spine of the Sebenza 31's blade, you will feel some vertical movement.
Rest assured, your lock-up is secure. This movement is the lockbar flexing in response to pressure, though the ceramic ball, acting as a fulcrum, and will maintain its position against the blade tang. It is very much a sound lock and when put to the test, proves stronger than the heat-treated lock on the Sebenza 21. All of our models with ceramic ball interfaces have varying degrees of lock flex so this is not abnormal, though the Sebenza 31 seems to be under extra scrutiny as it is the newest."
Interesting, so they’re aware.
Well although it’s still a solid lockup, it bothers me
@@doodysdaggers understandable!
I’ve never had a 31 but I always preferred my 21’s lock feel and sound than the ceramic ball on my umnumzaan. I miss my old knives. Gosh they cost a left nut now the older models. I had so many good ones!
@@doodysdaggers It should bother you. Even if they claim its normal and secure, part of what you're paying for is the user experience and build quality. They are one of the most expensive production knives, I would say you have a legitimate complaint.
So _all_ Sebenzas should be doing this then? Otherwise the ceramic ball is a _downgrade._
The Chinese manufacturers seem to be able to make a frame lock that doesn't wobble.
_My Spyderco slipjoint doesn't even wobble!_
This comment isn't directed at you personally, just the shıtty situation CRK created.
Nothing worse than spending a nice chunk of change $$ on something (that you have high expectations for) and get disappointed.
It’s the worst! And I’ll lose money selling it now
I’ve had 5 CRKs with the same ceramic ball detent/lock bar insert. None of mine have had a hint of lock rock but I have heard from other people they have had this issue. Sorry you got a dud man that sucks. CRK might be able to fix it but I understand selling it as is and moving onto something different might be easier. Keep it up with the uploads, I have been enjoying your content a lot.
It is totally up to how you feel about it. For the price I’d say there would have to be Nothing about it that bothers you.
You can put a dab of grease on the lanyard pin to keep it from rattling, that's what I did.
Ive been bidding on some Sebenzas.... After reading about the stiffness being standard and that you need to break it in for AGES... I was somewhat turned off... I wanted to experience that glassy tight tolerance opening closing action... but for a premium knife I think it shouldnt come with any of the little hiccups... Im a bit turned off CRK now.. thanks for the video
I have to correct you. Chris Reeve has never used a steel lock bar insert in any knife. He changed it to the ceramic ball lock but originally it was just the titanium lock bar that was heat treated
Oh okay thanks!
Sad day, I remember the video and how happy you were to finally get one...but that shit would be a deal breaker for me too...any kind of play(detent lash, lock rock, side to side) for me personally, is just something that will sit in the back of my mind and I will always think of it when I handle that particular knife...it's one of those "you can't unsee" things...
Yep exactly! It’ll eat at me forever
Any knife that is $500+ should not have these sorts of unfortunate defects. It's absurd that brand loyalists will excuse this. There are budget knives I've owned that don't experience this, and that also use a bearing detent.
Sucks man, I would feel bitter about that as well.
I totally get that , would bother me as well especially on a $600 knife give or take a lil , but specifically spending that much id want it to b perfect
Love your videos and honesty man. Cheers from Sweden!
Awesome man!! 🤠
Tja Richard, hoppas du inte har en Sebenza, jag har haft EDC och knivar och allt i det världen i nästan 30 år, men jag aldrig förstår mig på folk köper Sebbenza för de pengarna det finns inget som är speciellt med kniven,
Haha that Rosie got you spoiled. Bummer on the lock rock. My sebbie insingo doesn’t have that lock rock. Has broken in very well. I can flick mine open. Good luck on the sale 🤙🏻
Is it a 21 or 31?
My 2 Inkosi’s are very solid and very smooth. Have a 31 where the lock rock went away after opening and closing it for awhile. The ceramic ball makes a track on the lock interface while it’s breaking in. In theory, checking for lock rock a lot while it’s making a track can cause it to make additional tracks to follow which could result in less stability.
But also for that money, no reason not to sell it if it doesn’t make you happy.
Hope you have a great day dude
Alright good to know, thanks dood
I’ve got the same sebenza as you, but with the black micarta inlays.
I must admit, I was prepared to be disappointed when I bit the bullet, because I knew what the action was going to be like after watching reviews and also thinking it’s just another titanium frame lock.
But I’m really impressed with it, no regrets at all, it feels like a knife that will last a lifetime.
Mine has no lock rock, and I like the action, so I understand why you’re not feeling yours.
It’s not lock rock. Lock rock is a defect caused by improper lock face angle. The CRK ceramic lock ball allows the bar to flex a tad but the ball remains in place on the lock face. The 31, Umnumzaan and Inkosi all have this lock bar flex. I carry an Inkosi but have had a 31 and Umnumzaan. I wish more people understood what was actually happening so that folks don’t think these knives are defective. This is how misinformation is spread.
I say in the video, it’s not defective. It’s just how the knife is made
@@doodysdaggers there was an interview, which I can’t find now, where someone with CRK was saying that since the lock bar can flex, but the ball remains in place and essentially pivots on the contact point on the tang, that it’s stronger than a lock bar that flexes under load and the lock disengages since it cannot maintain the contact point.
Oh and I love your vids. Keep up the awesome work!
I believe they fixed this issue without saying anything got 2 31s recently no issue solid
My 2 sebenzas 31 larg also large and small inkosi and umnumzaan are solid and I saw a video about the lock rock and tried pushing the spine but nothing even though I don’t see it as a big problem but at the end of the day it’s comes back to you if it’s really bothering you don’t keep it because you will never carry it again I hope that you get a good deal out of it good luck
It would bug me as well. No matter how secure I'm sure it is, I wouldn't be able to look past it once I'd felt it. When you drop that kind of money, you want to be happy every time you handle it. I would rather turn that $ into another knife or knives that make me smile and make me want to carry it
The lanyard post rattling on my 31 drove me nuts as soon as I unboxed it & took off the stock cord. Made me not even want to carry the knife lol, yeah shouldn't be hard to disassemble & fix but why is that even a thing.
I had a 31. Thing was solid as a bank vault
Sebenza 21s where its at, mine is flickable and has amazing action after long break in time. Wish they just left the 21 alone.
Sooooo…… any regrets/ 2nd thoughts on getting another? 😅
I actually just got a small sebenza
@@doodysdaggers well that’s good to hear. Love your cut tests and looking forward to seeing if this one passes it. I am looking to buy, just not sure which CRK to go with yet ✌️❤️
@@TinyIslandMaine I think I enjoy the small a little more
Man I get where you're coming from. I couldn't get past the lock rock either! 😫
And it took me over a year to like/break-in my small 31. Wonder how many people will try to tell you how it is supposed to be "slow rolled out". FFS.
Hope it sells for ya😊. Take care. 👍👍🔪
My small 31 is at crk right now. Mine never broke in, the action was horrible, took two hands and sometimes a flat head screw driver to close the knife because the lock bar would get so stuck. Thumbs were bleeding. I sent it back. Funny thing is, my dad ordered one too, his was smooth and had 0 lock stick. It’s been 4 weeks, still waiting to get it back
@@Jx12346 How're things going? I hope you've got a response by now.
honestly it seems like more of a nitpick than an actual issue. I have a new seb 31 tanto and it has a slight bit of rock and personally it does not bother me in the least.
Nitpick? A 500-600 dollar knife with lock rock. Sounds like coping. I would send it back. Unacceptable even from a 150-300 dollar knife.
ambi locks for the win, didnt know it was something pretty known about the lock rock if thats the case thats a good excuse to get a zaan 😂
I had three 31s the past few years and sold all of them because of the lock rock. All the 21s and Inkosis I had were solid. HOPEFULLY, they have fixed the lock rock by now.
You know, it’s so funny. I get a ton of comments on this video from 31 lovers saying “I’ve owned ten thousand 31s and not a SINGLE one has that lock rock!!”
@@doodysdaggers that is pretty funny. I certainly hope they fixed the issue
I have a 07/2023 Large PJ 31 and it's solid as a rock. When the 31 came out Tim said the lock is stronger than the 21. I'm not sure how the Inkosi or Zaan would be any different considering they both use the same lock bar interface with the ceramic ball.
Interesting, yeah I dunno how it would be stronger. So the inkosi and Zaan also use the ceramic ball interface?
@@doodysdaggers Yes the 31, Inkosi, and Zaan all use the ceramic ball on the lock bar. The Inkosi doesn’t use a pivot bushing like the sebenza and is generally smoother out of the box and adjustable unlike the 31. Maybe try an Inkosi!
@@_606Offroad okay maybe I will! If I sell this one I might try a small inkosi
@@doodysdaggers my next CRK will probably be a small Inkosi insingo, if I could ever find one in stock lol
Mine has a tiny tick of back and forward play but that's because of the new ceramic detent ball position if that's the case there's absolutely nothing wrong with the knife It's just the nature of the new ceramic detent ball placement, just keep in mind that you didn't even notice it until your friend told you to press on the spine
what up brother love to see it but yeah your selling a knife no way thats cool. anyways brother keep on keepin on ill see you in the next one
I have two hinderer knives that both have lock fail when you do a tip test. Sebenza has never failed me.
I know that this has been a issue on some customers knives and I also know that crk would fix it for yah. But no not all sebenzas have lock rock, I own 2 sebenza 31's and a inkosi and non of them have this issue, no matter how hard I push on the spine. All crk models use the ceramic ball interface now so if you want to try a different model keep thar in mind.
Thats a bummer dude. I've been on the fence about dropping that kind of money on a knife people love to make excuses for all the time. With my luck....lol, hard pass. Good video brother 🤘💜
It is worth it. A small Sebenza is a one and done. My CRKs do not budge. And if they do, just send it in to them
@@giantfatbergfalse. I bough a small Sebenza, then within a month I bought a second one 😆
First one with drop point and inlays, second was insingo PJ with double silver lugs. Now I’m on the lookilout for another very specific small one - insingo, black micarta inlays and silver double lugs.
Seriously though, if you have a definite preference for just one of the blade shapes I think you are right - it’s a definite one and done knife if you only want one knife.
@@adamzappia2213 I know what you mean. In theory it is a one and done but in actuality it is a one and then I’m going to buy many more of these CRKs because they are so good. Sounds like you have some nice ones. All the best to you
It’s probably sold already but just FYI if you put a drop of grease around the lanyard post it won’t rattle anymore
I knew something was up when you weren’t carrying/using it as much as I would’ve expected. Have you tried sending it back for warranty? I’ve heard they got a great warranty Good luck on the sale, it should move quickly
Apparently nothings wrong with the knife. It’s meant to do that 🤔
@@doodysdaggers wow …interesting 🧐…
All of us go through different knife phases of life lol if you're anything like me you'll be back to Sebenza-ville eventually! Enjoy whatever knife type you land on!
It’s entirely possible! I still wanna try an Inkosi
I’ve got a Tanto Inkosi, I really like the finger grooves and use it for heavy work, if it had inlays I’d probably carry it more than my Sebenza!
Glad I still have my old 21s. I'd return that knife for the lock rock too. I've been eyeing Chris Reeve again and considering getting a new knife but after hearing about these quality problems I am gonna pass. For the prices they're asking these days, this is unacceptable.
Agreed. If I ever come across a 21 I’d buy it
The problem is you aren’t sending it in for them to 100% fix the problem and send it back… These knives are rock solid. There really isn’t a better EDC knife
The problem is it’s priced as a knife that should be perfect and it
isn’t. Have plenty of $200-$300 knives that don’t have any issues, better steel/heat treat, better pocket clip, better lockup, better deployment method and action, no rattle.
Shouldn’t have to worry about wasting my time mailing my knife to be fixed and not having it in my possession for what is probably a long wait time.
So u didnt even know about it until someone pointed it out to you, and its a big problem…. Lord!! Enjoy your slip joints, they wont have lock rock
Great video Dood. I say move it on,that's way too expensive a knife to hang on to if you don't love it. Spend the dough on something you do love. Respect. D
Not sure i could get over that on a sebenza. Thats a grail knife for most people, most people are going to expect and accept nothing but perfection.
Man I want this Sebenza 31 but the problem is you live in the U.S.A. and I live in Europe.
And also I decided to ask you are you agree to exchange the Sebenza 31 with some of my brand new knives?
My zaan in magnacut has 0 play or lockrock and is loose enough to flick open without wrist and is centered
Part of the reason we buy expensive knives is because we want a premium fit and finish. Especially from a brand that advertises a " bank-tight lockup". My $200 knives don't do this. My sabenza 21 doesn't do this. So why should we except this. You were very fair in this review and now I know I don't need to "upgrade". But I love people thinking this isn't a big deal. Sure you don't cut from the spine but that doesn't really matter. It would be like buying an expensive guitar and the tuners weren't smooth, or there was an issue on part of the binding, or maybe some slight overspray on the finish. None of these things effect how well the guitar plays or sounds but you paid $3000 for a gibson and you know there are $1500 guitars that look and perform better. I mean you can buy a glock or walther cheaper than this knife and they will totally do the job. But if I spend $3500 for a Wilson Combat it better be perfect. I know these aren't perfect 1 to 1's but I rest my case. Sorry for the book I just can't believe willingly accept an inferior design just because it comes from their favorite brand.
Totally agree!
Shit man, glad u made this video. I'd send it back!
The Spyderco Swayback kicked the CRK Sebenza out of the collection? 🤣
I love my Swayback and just put the MXG TI deep pocket clip on mine.
Thank you for being transparent, I really respect your take on knives 👊
Of course man!
Yeah that swayback is unreal, I gotta get a clip too. Trying to decide between MXG and lynch. Send me a photo of yours with the MXG when you get a chance?
Just sent you a few pictures to your email. Lemme know if you got them?
@@BDevi0us got it, nice. I like that more than the lynch clips. I’m gonna get one of those
@doodysdaggers Imo I think the MXG clip fits the Swayback the best? Let me know what clip you went with.
I have 4 31's and none of mine have lock rock, but I've heard this since it was released. Bummer dude.
Keep it - put a little lock tight on rattle will stop - this knife never gets old -besr action after a year
I’d send it in for a spa treatment get the knife like new and have them address the lock rock. The warrantee is a part of the price, use it. If you’re still not happy when it returns then sell it you will get more for it after spa.
It will take 6 weeks for the spa.
I have them all except the small Inkosi and my favorite is the Zaan…
I would just send it in. It’s too good of a tool to part with.
It’s how it’s supposed to be, it says it on the website
It’s scary how I was thinking the exact same things about my sebenza and then this video pops up 😂
I’d be able to overlook the issues if it didn’t cost so much $$$$
Haha weird! You thinking of selling yours too?
I’ve had it up for sale for several weeks already but no interest in my area it seems.
So for now it remains in the collection.
sounds like its time to let the rosie shine 🔥🗡
Any knife will do that if pry on it hard enough. Literally every Spyderco I own. If you don’t want blade rock get a fixed blade. If you want your knife to open faster get an otf. Folding knives were never meant to be hard use knives. That’s a great knife bro.
I disagree, none of my knives have ever done that before
And you didn't send it in for warranty repair because why?
I have four of these in different configurations and none of them exhibit this problem.
Because it’s a feature of the knife. It even says on their website that you may notice movement in the lock but not to worry
@@doodysdaggers It's a "feature?" I didn't know that. I could not find that on their site. Where do they mention that? These knives are made to tolerances in the ten-thousandths range. I have 2 large 31s and 2 small 31s, all with different blade steels and none of them exhibit this issue. My newest one was made in Sept of 2023. I guess this means two things. First, my newest knife is missing a feature. Second, it's time to go buy a lottery ticket. :))
I would have issues with lock rock on it for its price.
I don't like the ceramic ball "upgrade" or the slanted pocketclip.
The 21 was better.
Did u ever sell this. I'll buy it
It’s gone
I'm surprised you didn't research it with your knife community before you before you went and made an expensive purchase. Remember the lock failures on the Vosteed knifes I was purchase one of 4 that kept failing in the company just discontinued that. I always do my Intel Check reviews before I purchase anything
Dammit, now I have to check mine.
Let me know
Whew, mines good
I’m sending a brand new Ritter Hogue RSK Auto because the blade has more side to side play than I like. My Pro-Tech doesn’t have that problem. It’s totally fine to be picky and demand better from manufacturers.
Exactly
Sorry just read your post mate. I’ve had my Seb 25 for 8 years no issues. Hope you backed it to CRK. They should stand by their kit and replace/refund you. Not a cheap knife. Jim UK.
Don’t do it. I think you are going to have sellers remorse down the road. Just my thoughts. Maybe let it ride for a while. It’s a CRK not an everyday run of the mill knife.
Hmm… you may be right
I would contact him to see if there’s anything that could be done about it. But I get to the point where somethings I am just done with it, and you have a Rosie now.
At the price for these things they are jewelry not tools. Sell it. Spend 40 bucks and get something you’re not scared to pound on.
I treat this the same as I would a $50 knife
Is it still for sale?
Nope
Could you make the counter argument that the fact that you enjoyed it for so long without noticing the lock rock that it’s not really a big deal? I can also see how it’s one of those things where ignorance is bliss and now you can’t unsee it. Tough go but there will be other knives 😎
Haha yeah I wish I never found out about it!! But now that I know, I can’t go back
I don’t blame you. Why keep it if you don’t like it. Whatever the issue if your turned off to it and your not going to use it might as well move down the line.
Yeah agreed. $600 is too much money to not completely love it
I don't understand, I bought two large Sebenza 31's in the last three weeks and neither one of them does this. They're rock solid. Maybe I'm not pushing with enough force.
They pushing a little harder
The lock rock is a disappointing defect for such an expensive knife. But yeah I get it, that would bother me too especially at those prices.
I also like knives that I can just flick open quickly.
is this sold?
Yep
Just watched your unboxing video where 'I'll never sell it anyways' 😅
It’s okay to change your mind
I have 3 sebenza 31's, no lock rock on any. Might contact CRK about to rock.
Lucky you!
My boys!!!
Crk has never had steel lockbar inserts it just ti on steel
Your wrong. The new Sebenza 31s do not have lockrock. Only a few of them had it. And even with the lock rock, it’s still more solid of a lockup than 99% of other titanium framelocks. Oh and take the god damn lanyard pin out🤣☠️ You literally are complaining about rattling when the damn lanyard is off? Of course the pin is going to rattle. You have to remove the entire pin 😂
Than you can buy like 30 Z Hunters
That's definitely a deal breaker for me...
Dude CRK will address any issues you have!
It’s not an issue. It’s a feature of the knife. They all do it
@@doodysdaggers all 31s have lock rock?
Some people might say you're being picky but no way for $600 those things shouldn't be happening. I'm sad that I agree with your take on selling but I do. I hope you get a zaan or inkosi
Exactly, I better be 100% happy with it for $600. I’m still open to trying an Inkosi!
@doodysdaggers I have a small inkosi on my desk I'm doing photos of and it's stiff af brand new. I'm so used to flicking the knife open so fast 😩 because next to it I have a brb4 v1 I'm taking photos of and it's butter
@@barbarianbraunny never handled a small CRK, it’s pretty tiny huh?
@doodysdaggers ya it's pretty small but It fits me more for my edc.
It’s definitely not all 31s. Mine has zero rock. Forums are pretty much split on this problem. The Inkosi and Zaan each have the same interface without this issue. Buuuuut, I agree with you. If mine had that rock I would have already sold it and bought a new one. No way I could live with that on a knife at that price. It needs to be perfect.
It's the small ball. Not enough locking surface, so it can wiggle a little. It's nothing more than that. The locking surface is literally a small dot. The Inkosi I have does the same. Put the handle on a table and press on the spine. That's easier to see.
@@Marinos8419 nope. Not there at all on mine. And definitely not on all of them.
Sad to see it go! But for 600 bucks you better be happier than a pig in shit or else it just isn’t meant to be!
Yup exactly
TBH, the action (or lack of) on CRK knives has been a deal breaker for me. I have felt plenty of new knives, and none felt as rough and hard to open as the $800 custom Sebenza that I didn't buy.
It’s a tool not a toy 🤷♂️
@@_606Offroad ok, jerkOff. When you try to deploy your tool and it sticks halfway open and you have a handful of whatever you WERE going to cut is it a toy?💩🧠
@@_606Offroad Firearms aren't toys either, do you want one of them that sticks out of battery?
@@OHLeftyEDC not the comparison you think it is, that’s a functional issue. A CRK not flicking out and being fidgety is not a function issue.
@@_606Offroad you are slow, huh? It's ok, little buddy.
When I pull out a tool to use it and it doesn't function as intended, it causes unnecessary movements and inefficiency in whatever action I am trying to complete. If you had more than a middle school education, you would probably see a little farther than the end of your nose.
I just got my Sebenza 31 Large a week ago...NO ROCK AT ALL.
Okay good!!
I see an umnumzaan in your future
It’s very possible
I'm with you on that, the lock rock for the price is something I also would not be able to get over. I have an inkosi and tested out to see if it was the same, thankfully it does not have it. So if you ever want another Chris Reeves than I recommend the inkosi. Thanks and wish you the best.
I think when I sell this one I’m going to try a small inkosi
Damnnnn lock rock?! That’s no good
What the hell dude why are you gonna sell it send it back to Chris Reaves and have them fix it. It’s covered under warranty.
From what I understand it’s just how the knife is. He says it on the website that it might have blade play
I get it i had a crk for a short while and realized my quiet carry's, spydercos, and trm's were better knifes overall for half the price. Then if u want a strong work knife cold steel just always sitting back waving.
you bought the hype and it didn't work out for you. who hasn't done that
Yup
I don’t think it’s a big deal since it’s not a safety issue. I liken it to selling Microtech OTF for having blade play when it’s deployed. I love my 31s and have no intention of selling any of them, but at the end of the day you have to do what’s best for you.
No biggie to me. You paid way too much money to not just absolutely love it. One reason ive never bought a sebenza is I think Sebenza knives are made for people who just want a one and done quality made folding cutting tool. In my knife journey if i pay more than $250 for a pocket knife it better offer more than just a well built cutting tool. It needs to have some looks, art, unique materials, action, sound or something more. Lets be honest you can spend under $300 or less and get the best cutting tool made. And Sebenzas dont offer that to me. And with modern technology is a sebenza really any better than some 150-$200 knives?
I mean truly you reach the point of diminishing returns at ~$150. Beyond that, as a cutting tool, you aren't gaining much.
I’m agree. $600 is too much to not completely love the knife.
And yeah you’re right, after a certain point you’re paying for the design and the brand name. Sometimes it’s worth it, sometimes it’s not
I stopped counting at 17 Chris Reeve knives - I have all of them in all of the steels - I’ve never had an issue but I do not discount those who do. If I am being honest, the only issues I have had are Microtech with off center blades on their recent releases like the Stitch, MSI and LUDT - but marginally off center. Medford IMO is the best knife maker in the planet now - I have 7, never had an issue and I have used customer service for random questions - immediate responses and I couldn’t be happier. My Medford collection will be expanding for sure.
I would give crk opportunity to fix before selling if was me. Your reasons are valid and what you believe is all that matters
It’s just how the knife is, it’s not fixable. They know it has play, it says on the website apparently