Rosemary, The Hidden Kennedy Daughter
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- čas přidán 10. 04. 2016
- The tragic story of Rosemary Kennedy-intellectually challenged and hidden by her famous family-is the subject of Kate Clifford Larson’s book, "Rosemary, The Hidden Kennedy Daughter". In this video, Kate gives us a behind the scenes look into her new best-selling book. This talk was sponsored by The C.V. Starr Center for the Study of the American Experience, the Department of Psychology, the Department of History, and the American Studies Program.
Such a sad story. She literally was “held back” and damaged at birth and that sadly became the theme of her entire life. As a nurse, I literally wanted to vomit when I heard that Rose’s midwife (nurse) literally held baby Rosemary in the birth canal for 2 hrs waiting for the doctor so he could get paid for the delivery. It’s disgusting. She suffered an anoxic brain injury likely the source of her delays. Shame on the nurse and the doctor. All for the sake of money and greed. Just awful. We take vows as nurses to do no harm. That nurse did great harm by following that doctors orders. I can’t imagine the hell Rose went through needing to deliver her baby and not being allowed to. It’s practically assault. It certainly assaulted the brain of poor baby Rosemary. She very likely was a perfectly normal baby girl that was damaged forever by birth trauma.
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This is the 1st I've heard of this. I would think criminal/malpractice charges would have been brought against the both of them.
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That happened in advance America? And both Dr and nurse not investigated and punish for such a criminal act?
She was the most beautiful out of all the siblings too. Absolutely stunning. Poor thing 💔
The baby knows when he/she is ready for birth ..... not that doctor / nurse . SHAME on them .
This makes me so sad. My Brother was born in 1950, a delayed birth, like Rosemary.
His damage was far more severe. He had Cerbral Palsy. My dad arenas didn’t know until it came time for him to walk. He didn’t walk until numerous surgeries were done on his legs, ankles and groin. He was 26 when he took his first steps and could walk with the assistance of a walker. He had seizures and epilepsy as well. He, later on had a brain pacemaker (cerebellum stimulator and was the eighth patient to ever have one implanted in his brain. This calmed down the much of the spacicity, enabling him to use his arm and hands with better control. He passed away from a heart attack at the age of 65. I was just thinking about him this morning, still crying on my way to work at all he had gone through and the pain it must have caused him. That’s when I saw this lecture. I am so thankful that my parents never put him away and he was able to live a peaceful and happy life at home. I remember my mother, worrying her whole life about what would happen to him. If she passed away, he weighed so heavily on her heart. In the end, he passed away before she did. I wish she had never worried you never know how things are going to turn out.
That was a wonderful, sad story about Rosemary... thank you ! Rest In Peace, Rosemary 🙏🏼✝️🇺🇸♥️💫
Thank you, Mrs Larsen, for telling Rosemary's compelling story. Growing up I knew relatives who hid their intellectually challenged daughter. Daisy, in a back room if someone came to visit. When she died she was buried in a far corner of the family cemetery as though even in death they thought she'd contaminate them. Kudos to younger Kennedys who worked to get legislation passed to make life more amenable for anyone living with challenges.
It was not so secret- iam 85 and knew yrs back she was put in an institution here in Wisconsin
It really wasn't a secret. My mother, who was born in 1924, told me this story circa 1970 when I was a girl. Everyone knew at the time it occurred, or shortly later, that Rosemary was forced to suffer a lobotomy and then disappeared from public view. As a child, I was horrified by the story of Rosemary then, and as an adult who now realizes what far better options the Kennedy parents had at their disposal, I'm even more horrified now.
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Ever the Queen of England had two cousins,sisters who spent their entire adult lives in care. I read one report that there had been some family trees that had even dropped the girls from the family history. I think thing are straight now. People had strange ideas of why people were mentally disabled. Often blaming the birth mishap or something the mother did during pregnancy. I was told my uncle got special privileges because he was a breach birth, blue baby. Yes , I guessed oxygen dep. during childbirth.
First I want to say what an incredible woman Ms. Larson is taking on such a story and making me see Rosemary as a beautiful person. I am definitely getting this book. Thank you for this .
Rosemary Kennedy should have been left alone.
They kept trying to "fix" her. They so desperately wanted her to be "normal". That was the problem. The fact that she was constantly being taken in and out of these schools, Jesus, she must've named at least 15 different schools. The had all this money and they DID use all the resources at their disposal but they went to too far.
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What a well-spoken author. Very well researched and she had no hesitation in calling up dates, names or place names. Remarkable.
Christy Wright whatever else she writes in the future I will definitely read. I just loved her energy. Very articulate and researched. I just wanted it to go on and not end the presentation
Brilliantly argued!
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It's called censorship - the Family put a cute story together for people to study if they go looking...
How did any mother not knock the midwife away and expel the baby, no woman would be able to stand holding the baby in for two hours or having the baby held in for two hours, utterly horrific and lethal for baby, Poor Rosemary god rest her soul
This happened when my daughter was born. "Don't push - the Dr isn't here yet." The bed was under me, my husband caught her while my Dr was getting her scrubs on. Modern medicine - what BS!!!
In my family we don't throw anyone away and we do take our family responsibilities very seriously. Poor Rosemary. She wasn't even allowed to live at home.
These people had money, why didn't they just hire a care giver to take care of this girl, she was a very pretty girl. Maybe a little adhd, or bi-polar.she doesn't look mentally ill, maybe she could of out grow it.
@@marilynshealy9923 she was tested DCD
@@sherinepeterson9519 This poor girl they destroyed her, it was all about power and money. They just wanted to hide her. I wonder if they really understood, the damage that would come out of the surgery.
@@marilynshealy9923 My former Landlord,said his sister married a rich man, that daughter was diagnosed with autism,and the aunt asked me can a person have multiple handicaps I said yes of course.
Later on they confessed to me that they put a three-year-old and a home and a group home she's three years oldI'm not judging anyone but there's a lot they could have did for that little girl she's only three years old just diagnosed with autism they said it was hard taking care of her they said the mother go seeing her all the time they said she's gettingthe landlord secretary told me that they pay the group home the taker they got some doctor and they paid to take care of her but they hired the nurses to take care of her, no cuz they were shamed these people here with terrible landlords
the secretary told me she said she had a childlike that she wouldn't have it in a home she'll have it at home with her with good schools and diet trying to help the childthey was telling me that's how rich they are they no judges say no police officers they know congressman and and they didn't like us so we just changed the locks and we moved.
And I was warned not to move in that apartment was a beautiful apartment but we weren't at peace
@@rachealsiciliano9092 My daughter and her ex husband adopted a child, the mother had mental health issues and father both. They took her at the hospital, she has other children and they watch her, as she will try to hide the babies. The mother was not able to care for a child. When she was younger it wasn't too bad, but as she got older, she got very hard to handle. So she now lives with the father, she can be a danger,, If she doesn't get her own way all hell breaks loose. You have to watch her, every second., she steals food and snacks, the refrig has to be locked and cabinets also. My daughter had moved and she got up, in the middle of the night, went for a walk, no coat on, not even sure if she had shoes on. A women who was out jogging, at 5am found her sleeping on a park bench, in town. That was still in winter. So she called the police, she had her mothers phone and they got the address off of the phone, from a picture. The second time she went for a walk to the store and got walked back after they called the police. This girl is 11-with the mind set of a 3 year old, she will case out what she sees and goes after what she wants when you turn your back. Also makes a great locksmith as she can figure out how to open locks.
I’m absolutely horrified a nurse would try and delay childbirth by pushing on the birth canal so the baby can’t come out. 😱
I just hate her parents didn’t advocate for her better. Those were different times when it came to disabilities.
The nurse story needs a closer look. The fee for a child delivery could not have been that much. There had to be other family present. Was there any disposition on the nurse etc. What took place was a felony in any era. No conspiracies. Just unexplained why. Really sad
I totally agree what kind of a nurse does that
It was standard operating procedure back then and even, as far as I know, through the late 60s when my cousin was born with cerebral palsy for the same reason. If the doctor wasn't there, they didn't get paid, so nurses were told to tell the mom to hold the baby in. And family wasn't allowed in the delivery room back then. I don't know when they finally stopped that practice, but it wasn't just a one time situation.
Different times. You may horrified but others were not. Our presumed, rice paper sensibilities miss the historic context of much we think we know but in reality are clueless.
I met Rosemary Kennedy at my husband’s great Uncle’s funeral. His Great Uncle’s sister-in-law was one of the nuns who lived with and cared for Rosemary. She traveled with Rosemary when she visited her family. I spoke with this nun for a short time. I wish I would have had more time with her. She spoke about how upset Rosemary was when her mother came to visit her.
This is just shocking! I can say from personal experience as I am a woman with Cerebral Palsy. I'm 51 years old and live on my own for over 30 years. My mother was told by doctors that I was not expected to live. I weighed 3lbs 2ozs. The bottom line is, give your a chance! Advocate for them! Be their voice! Granted, maybe Joe Kennedy didn't have the resources but bottom line is he didn't even try! He just gave up on her! That is just so sad! I just thank God my Mom didn't.
I agree with you, Anita! I was a healthy 10 lb. baby at birth, placed for adoption (bio mom was young), adopted at 2 weeks. My mother KNEW something was wrong with me. I was their third adopted child, back then, they taught parents to hold your baby as much as possible, to hold them tight to facilitate the bond. My mom did this and I would cry in pain. They had to take me to multiple drs. before someone would even take her mother's instinct as truth and run tests. Thank God for their persistance! I had congenital hip dysplasia (left leg out of the hip socket). After surgery, and traction, a body cast from the waist down on and off for three years, and countless drs. telling my parents that I would more than likely never walk, be emotionally and mentally delayed, my left leg would never be the same length as the right, etc. etc. etc.....My parents NEVER gave up! Even my paternal grandmother told my parents to return me, as I was "defected" goods....."If you bought a sweater with a hole in it, you'd return it to the store to get one without a hole." "You 'paid' good money to 'get' this child and they've just sattled you with a 'defective' child." "You should ask for a refund or at least they could give you a non-defective child." "You should sue them." All that, from my father's mother! Needless to say, my parents had NO CONTACT with her for years, and even though I was not aware of any of her hatred towards me until I accidentally came across her letters to them and my parents response to her, as an adult, as a child....I always had felt her hatred & dislike for me. Needless to say, after 3 years, I was able to finally walk, to run, to go to public schools, met all my milestones.....no physical issues since, no emotional or mental delays! Thank God my parents NEVER gave up on me when so many thought they should! 45:30, Rose deserved that slap! SHAME ON THEM!!!! Shame on the nurse, that asshole dr. who wanted to make sure he got paid.....but, ultimately, Sweet Rosemary's "parents"!!! You need a licence to drive, to fish, to hunt...but ANY idiot can procreate!!!! The whole story makes me ill!
I agree with you, Anita! I was a healthy 10 lb. baby at birth, placed for adoption (bio mom was young), adopted at 2 weeks. My mother KNEW something was wrong with me. I was their third adopted child, back then, they taught parents to hold your baby as much as possible, to hold them tight to facilitate the bond. My mom did this and I would cry in pain. They had to take me to multiple drs. before someone would even take her mother's instinct as truth and run tests. Thank God for their persistance! I had congenital hip dysplasia (left leg out of the hip socket). After surgery, and traction, a body cast from the waist down on and off for three years, and countless drs. telling my parents that I would more than likely never walk, be emotionally and mentally delayed, my left leg would never be the same length as the right, etc. etc. etc.....My parents NEVER gave up! Even my paternal grandmother told my parents to return me, as I was "defected" goods....."If you bought a sweater with a hole in it, you'd return it to the store to get one without a hole." "You 'paid' good money to 'get' this child and they've just sattled you with a 'defective' child." "You should ask for a refund or at least they could give you a non-defective child." "You should sue them." All that, from my father's mother! Needless to say, my parents had NO CONTACT with her for years, and even though I was not aware of any of her hatred towards me until I accidentally came across her letters to them and my parents response to her, as an adult, as a child....I always had felt her hatred & dislike for me. Needless to say, after 3 years, I was able to finally walk, to run, to go to public schools, met all my milestones.....no physical issues since, no emotional or mental delays! Thank God my parents NEVER gave up on me when so many thought they should! 45:30, Rose deserved that slap! SHAME ON THEM!!!! Shame on the nurse, that asshole dr. who wanted to make sure he got paid.....but, ultimately, Sweet Rosemary's "parents"!!! You need a licence to drive, to fish, to hunt...but ANY idiot can procreate!!!! The whole story makes me ill!
Anita Stodolak
It's alleged Jk also had a disabled daughter with the very famous actress, Gloria Swanson, who was his mistress at he time...the child was also institutionalized. IT'S TOLD that after Gloria Swanson informed UK that she was pregnant, he ignored her, and she was no lo her able to communicate with him!
@@florenced.kennedy-uribe735 I was just watching a documentary about that. He produced a film for her, he was having an affair, and it produced another child that was similar to Rosemary as far as mental state.
That poor woman. What a life. The parents were disgusting!
I think Rosemary was the most beautiful of all the sisters. What Joe did to her is too sad for words.
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Marjorie Mills : What is that supposed to mean? Up with a lot of what?
It was sad. But medical journals were also heralding lobotomy as revolutionary, even the creator was awarded with a nobel peace prize. I can see why desperate patients and their families flocked to Walter Freeman. That said, it seems like Joe wanted it done for all the wrong reasons. To make her docile and co operative, which I guess became the main appeal about lobotomy after people figured out it wasn't curing anyone.
Not telling his wife that he was having her undergo a lobotomy is tragic.
tom black : And what is murder? Is it not sad or tragic?
What a shame . I can relate to this . I was given shock treatment in a Mental Hospital. .I was never the same . Now loosing my Memory. I am 76 now. Just suffered from depression. Thank you prayers & Blessings
My heart goes out to you
Joe Kennedy Senior was asked to resign as our ambassador to England because he was making anti-Semetic statements pro -Nazi😮. Rich man Stupid is as stupid does! Approving a lobotomy on Rosemary because he taught that it would jeopardize John's chances of being president. He would have gotten much more votes if people knew about Rosemary. Really now Joe put that in your hose and pump it. guess who . 😂
This is a wonderful presentation of her book.It's very good.I'm currently listening to it on Audible. The Author did a wonderful job here.I just hate that Rose Mary was treated as a throwaway. No wonder she acted out.I'm glad that her brothers and sisters embraced and loved her.
Such a prominent & political family did what they had to do in putting her out of sight but I don't understand the lobotomy??
@@donnawolman150 I don't either!!! It was unnecessary. I think it was done for,"selfish" reasons(To keep her incapacitated).Her parents were very selfish to do that. I'm just saying.
Her father was a monster. Nobody deserves to have a father like that.
Rosemary was a beautiful woman who just happened to be born in the wrong family. What a tragedy that this poor women had to go through what she did.
Really wrong family….too bad that so many children with special needs are born into the wrong families. 😢
If you heard, the doctor was the one to get the fee, so nobody but him could bring the babies into the world.
We really should start there.. problem is we think we know better.
She wasn't born into the wrong family she was born into the wrong society.
I work in mental health. This story breaks my heart. The whole system breaks my heart, really.
we should team .. start resort for people to get better ... your doctors are mentally ill evil people. personality disorders ... even nice ones overdose people like retards .. complete disregard for life . don't even know who bad drugs are and don;t care ... nazis for real ... fraud never ending paper work ... any go check out finish open dialog doc, swedish healing homes is what i would do combined with finish open dialog ... fix these broken wings, another doc.. other place is in vermont . innerfire grand opening video ... learn a lot ... think it was 80's russia kill off people with drugs over doses .. give ya akathisia ... say your suicidla then overdose into behaviors by torture ... make people mentally ill .
i don;t now how ya do it ... studies books on it . prove its wrong and backwards /// 1 month locked up you go crazy or start to. 1 week is usually enough to cause problems trauma ptsd .. take care ... imagine locked in every day no way out . no lunch breaks , threat of forced drugs , maybe drug your food , they can never leave the few rooms ... you get days off to protect your mental health .. sick system .. even during work you get to hang with staff and leave the room . go back with staff .. lol . scary
@@cowpoke02 Seriously, I have no clue what you are talking about. You sound angry & paranoid. And, my word, your English (spelling, grammar...) is deplorable!
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@@nursesusansem I know. He sounds horrible. But he wants to call people who have intellectual disabilities retards. I hate that word.
She was indeed the most beautiful girl of the family , more beautiful than her mother , but she had horrible selfish parents who destroyed her for their own sake.
Michele Despland I agree poor girl
When Jack became an embarrassment to the family, his sisters arranged for him to receive a procedure of comparable medical value to Rosemary's -- in the operating theater of Dealey Plaza.
I've never heard of this, where did you get this infi
Michele Despland I don’t think she was mentally slow, I believe she didn’t act as Rose & Joseph required her to act. She might have been dyslexic but I doubt she was mentally dis functional!
As far as appearances go, it is capable of ending the life of a misunderstood little angel full of life. Rosemary Kennedy.😭😭😭
Oh my, yes. She was a lovely young woman. What a tragedy that her birth was so mishandled!
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I read the book, what a beautiful lady she was. What her father put her through was sick. I would recommend reading the book, but this was very good too.
I concur Rosemary was the most beautiful of the kenndys
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Yes, including Jaqueline.
She really was that girl looks like a movie star.
Stunning. I hate that her father forced her to have a lobotomy. It ruined her life.She didn't even need it.
@@icecol22 Rosemary lived longer than most of her siblings. 😮😮😮
I have always been fascinated by Rosemary’s story. I believe that the times were not kind to the plight of mentally challenged people. The stigma was too much for such a prominent family. The only positive to come out of this is the beginnings of Special Olympics and other programs. God bless her soul.
I think that this family would have been more admired and would have proved to be a better example for other families and persons had this father who threw Rosemary away like that.
Agreed Gladys! As a volunteer Special Olympics Nurse Clinical Director; Eunice started such a wonderful opportunity for people with Intellectual Disabilities! Eunice began working with disabled people in her own swimming pool! inclusion "in Life" is so important!
It was a time when mental health hospital had tunnels to get around .I often wonder if that's because they where not to be seen ? They are creepy to this day . 😢 But I think back then they didn't want them to be seen or escape ? Idk I know they where used for patients they didn't know what to do with ugh that history is awful just awful how could they treat a human being like that ? An to have a lobotomy she has to be awake so the Dr knows how far to go they have them sing back then .it's awful how could any one treat another human that way 😢😢 I can't imagine how awful it was for them 😭
This was heartbreaking but this author presented Rosemary's story beautifully. Rosemary's siblings were remarkably loving and devoted to their sister which speaks volumes of their family closeness. It is hard to understand Rose not visiting Rosemary for 20 years.
I imagine that Rose stopped visiting her for at least a couple of reasons,…..she probably thought there was little point in going if Rosemary was unable to respond or became actually distressed by her presence. Also, Rose herself , probably found the experience too sad, to deal with. We are not all made the same ,(just like some people are not cut out to be nurses, for instance) & feel that they can contribute nothing useful. We have no right to try to force them to feel or behave in a way that we feel is correct, especially from the position of hindsight or if one has never experienced a scenario like this…
@@hjd832 All you have to experience is having your own children to know you would never abandon them. Especially if they are sick or disabled. Rose Kennedy was an unfit, uncaring mother. There is no other way to explain her treatment of poor Rosemary.
As the sister of a beautiful special needs sister, Rosemary's story broke my heart. I cannot imagine ever giving my sister a lobotomy or anyone else!
Only one like Joe Kennedy would have committed such an atrocity against women-kind and family
@@sondrasmith2691 well not only Jow. Look at the medical professionals!!!!!! Appalling.
@@bonnylouwho76 No reason to thank me. Thank God Almighty for giving me spiritual discernment. I do not think choose to believe that Joe Kennedy wished to hstm his daughter but as I'd thr csdr in most experimental procedures, there are unintended consequences. Look no further than the huge number of adverse reactions reporting now in response to the COVID vaxx. However, I do think Mr Kennedy could never be satisfied with a "defective" Rosemary and wanted her to be "normal". The cost was extremely high for his mistake. Again, it is a gutwrenching story for Rosemary Kennedy and all of her siblings who lived her.
The lobotomy is still performed today. It is easy to research if you look for psychosurgery. Unfortunately, the terrible results remain the same. Our medical professionals should be held responsible.
@@davidtuck8493 wow 😲😲 it should be out lawed. Unfortunately in this country, medical care is about making a few rich. Not about health!!!!! That is just criminal.
They need to do a movie about her
that is a great idea.
A good idea, but bet it doesn't happen.
Thank you for writing this book. As someone who works with the developmentally disabled. I have heard so many wonderful stories over the years about what Eunice and Ted did for people with disabilities. I am glad that they were able to come forward and take care of her in the end.
cyberlucy good on Eunice and ted for doing that. and it was a good thing they're all together in heaven.
I recently learned of the "Secret Kennedy Sister." I wanted to learn all that I could about her. Here it all is, perfectly displayed, organized well. This story reminds me of the movie "The Other Sister." Thank you for making this video!
From Rosemary's birth she had a bumpy birth.
I cried when I first heard about her.
Her father was a God awful man.Selfish & ambitious to the detriment of anyone else.
My heart bled for her. The author is very well spoken.
So many tragedies for one family.
It's really a shame that Rosemary Kennedy was hidden.
shame on the haters for doing that to me
A nurse tried to delay my birth in 1940.My mother did not allow it,fortunately,so it was a practice at that time.
You are way to old to be on the internet.
You need to watch your mouth with soap internet is for any age I am proud of her that she knows how to use the computer and Jimmy one day when you reach her age stop using the computer or you may die before that age.
pamela lamepa Nice try but I'm going to live to a hundred and two and then die like the city of Detroit.
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This is so extremely sad. The frustration and heartache she had to endure. She was so beautiful. They set her up for failure. They destroyed her life. Because of Rosemary, at least things changed for those with disabilities.
I believe it was the nurse who set her up for failure by holding in the birth canal depriving her of oxygen.
Who even knows what was really her true condition ….? Poor darling.
The story of Rosemary Kennedy is hauntingly sad. The most beautiful Kennedy of all was born to a cruel, judgmental, deceitful, Catholic mother who valued social status, money, and appearances above all else. As the author said many times, the Kennedy family had all the money in the world to keep Rosemary with the family, safe, happy, and away from prying eyes. They chose instead to destroy her and totally abandon her so Rose would never have to worry about her precious social status that she so revered. Kudos to some of the Shriver kids who want Rosemary's story told accurately. It serves no person to cover for selfish people who are long dead anyway.
Rosemary was so beautiful her parents were worthless I hope one day I will meet rosemary in heaven and give her a big hug
I will as well
Forced back into the womb for two hours!!!! Good Lord! Thank-you for telling Rosemary's story. Thank -you for looking into her life that has so much to teach us! I pray your son lives his best life and thrives at whatever his passion is! Blessings!
Excellent presentation, but extremely sad. Had it not been for her parents' concern about what "society" would think, these people were beyond well equipped to provide this child/woman with the happiest and most secure life imaginable. They had every resource, which makes this all the more shameful and unforgivable.
Because of the great love her siblings and their offspring had for her, her legacy is the Special Olympics and similar programs and advocacy for the mentally challenged. R.I.P. Rosemary Kennedy. So unfair.
I believe your conclusion that the problem was "social" concerns is quite unfair to the Kennedy parents.
Although this author is critical of Joe and Rose if you listen to the above in full it is clear to me that both parents expended extensive time, money and effort in trying desperately to find a way for Rosemary to be happy as well as learn some independence and learn to get along with others. It was only when she began running away and
having horrific temper tantrums and physically attacking others...after she was a tall, and full grown woman.
that the worst mistakes were made. The vast majority of such children in those days ended up in institutions because neither society nor the medical and educational experts knew what to do.
how could the kids not see their sister for years on end? the older kids were old enough to question her whereabouts and condition...this amazes me since they were so protective of Rosemary and so aware of her limitations. the mother rose had no patience, she was cold and somewhat self centered and she was probably furious at the fact her husband was dallying with all kinds of other women...the whole thing is tragic. that poor woman.
She. received more love and compassion at St. Coletta than she did from her own family.
Eunice did continue to visit her sister. Rosie inspired the Special Olympics
@@louise-yo7kz...her brothers worried about her some. Perhaps if they were not part of the polítical machine and its demandas, they would have de voted more time to her.
So wonderful That Kate Clifford Larson told Rosemary's story, Bless them both.
One woman who touched countless lives. Touched mine watching this!
Rest In Peace Rosemary Kennedy. January 7, 2005
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At the 20:25 mark the narrator says that Joe was a "brilliant financier" which is such a ridiculous statement I about fell out of my chair when I heard her say it.. Allow me to set the record straight: Joe Kennedy "made" his first fortune bootlegging alcohol during Prohibition and was naturally involved with known mobsters and other unsavory types to ply his "trade" - which is why Joe could never run for elective office himself. For this woman to imply Joe Kennedy was an honest man is disingenuous and tarnishes HER OWN credibility.
I know. For someone who was suppose to give a lecture, she either did not know her facts or was very pro Kennedy. The more I read - from objective sources, this family was a bunch of shady mobbed up elitists.
Oh my goodness, do you feel better now that you have set the record straight. Joe had several occupations. He was a financier a lot longer than he was a bootlegger. She wasn't saying he was a honest man. He had no medical training what so ever and relied on the best medical advice he could get. Even today, no one really knows what was going on with Rose Mary, how were they suppose to know back then what the correct diagnosis was.
Yes, Joe was a bad man, husband, father and American. You are looking from 2016 eyes. Joe was a mess but we are not thinking about Joe. This is Rosemary's life.
Joe was also pro-Hitle; think about that
yes, I actually do. The record SHOULD be accurate.
This is a really wonderful documentary. Very well thought out and researched program. Thank you.
Rosemary Kennedy is the ONLY Kennedy I genuinely feel compassion and sorry for. She was an innocent who was brutalized by her family.
@margaret Rosemary the Scapegoat
Thereskure is a lot of hateful people on this channel.
A botched lobotomy crippled her. Rip🙏🏾
@Janet Woods There is factually no such thing as a mental illness, as that has since been exposed as being invented by the pseudo medical industries of psychology, psychiatry, etc and what is referred to erroneously as "mental illness" is actually due to subjective individual factors - for example such as alcoholism, exposure to pharmaceutical drugs, environmental, GMOs, fluoride, and other chemicals, etc, societal stress, hopelessness, immaturity, and spiritual depravity, etc. However, there is such a thing as brain damage and by all verified documentation, Rosemary was tragically a victim of brain damage - when she was still a newborn and her birth was delayed and it resulted in oxygen deprivation and damage to her brain. Hence why she had all of those problems. Sadly, there are still many forms of prenatal brain damage which occur either through intentional or accidental fault of one or both parents as well as through substandard care. If you want more information, please research Wayne Ramsay's discussion on exposing the myth of mental illness, as well as the Psych Victims.com, as well as the Bible itself for more facts. God bless!
@@EmilyGloeggler7984 you sound like a Seventh-Day Adventist. That Homespun Theory is ridiculous, which makes you uninformed.. Tell that to the people suffering from mental illness every day of their life. As long as there have been people mental illness has existed. How could you think that Theory stands alone? The treatments have been abysmal as have people's lack of understanding.
Kick thoroughly looked into the lobotomy process and was shaken by what she found out. In fact, she told Joe: "No, Mother, this is not what we want for our Rosie" and tried to dissuade him. But Joe was full steam ahead that his sons were going into politics and absolutely NOTHING was going to interfere or tarnish their chances.
And this book was beyond exceptional. I read it in two days--I couldn't put it down and was crying at the end. I hope there is a special place in Hell for Joe Kennedy.
Rose Kennedy was more Evil than Joe. Do you not wish for a special place in Hell for Rose?
I believe he wanted his daughter to be fixed. It wasn't that easy.
In some ways Rosemary benefited from their money.. in some ways she didn't God was looking after her all along.
Do you think God gave them the stroke? So he would know what it was like to be disabled? What do you think?
When you look at all the places that they put Rosemary, and the hormone therapy too with the lobotomy, it seemed like they were trying to fix her or find a way.
Beautifully, sensitively, very intelligently, and in a most kindly manner presented. I have a granddaughter whose development has been delayed, as Rosemary Kennedy's was, and having been raised a Catholic, am inspired to pray to dear Rosemary Kennedy for intervention on behalf of our relatives who suffer from similar difficulties. I was very happy to hear you speak of the success that Rosemary had at the London school that used the methods developed by Maria Montessori.
#MONTESSORI IS A CULT DEEPLY CONNECTED TO THE KENNEDY FAMILY - WHO RECENTLY KILLED MY ELDERLY GRANDMOTHER IN AUSTRALIA, WHERE CAROLINE KENNEDY IS AMBASSADOR & THEN PLACED A RUSSIAN MERCINARY INSURGENT PRINCIPAL AS HEAD OF THEIR LOCAL MONTOSORRI PROJECT - WITH THE SAME NAME AS MY GRANDMOTHER...
THEY ALSO KILLED MY FATHER RS GIRLFRIEND'S EX HUSBAND SO THEY COULD TAKE HIS MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CONOLLLA FARM!
OH DO I HAVE SOME FKN STORIES ABOUT THE KENNEDY FAMILY THANKS TO PRINCE ANDREW & GHILSANE MAXWELL'S LITTLE UNDERSTUDY CAROLINE KENNEDY!
I BET THEY USED ROSEMARY TO PRODUCE BLOODLINE KENNEDY BABIES OFF THE RECORD, THAT GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT THEY DO WITH!
IT WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN CAROLINE KENNEDY AROUND AN ATTRACTIVE, FORCIBLY DETAINED WOMAN, WHO SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN DETAINED IN AN INSTITUTION TO BEGIN WITH, WHO HAS EXPERIENCED MULTIPLE UNEXPLAINED PREGNANCIES WHILE DETAINED IN A WOMENS ONLY FACILITY - AND THE BEST REASON ANYONE INVOLVED WITH THE GOVERNMENT RAN FACILITY COULD GIVE FOR THESE PREGNANCIES WAS THAT SHE WAS MAKING THEM UP OR THEY WERE ONLY BENIGN, REOCCURING PHANTOM PREGNANCIES THAT DESPITE HAPPENING WHILE IN A HOSPITAL SETTING, NO ONE THOUGHT ANYTHING SHOULD BE EVER DONE TO MEDICALLY TREAT THIS APPARENTLY "NORMAL" CONDITION THAT CONTINUED TO REOCCUR FOR SOME TIME...
THATS THE BEST EXPLANATION THEY'VE FKN GOT, WHILE RUNNING AROUND WITH CAROLINE KENNEDY KNOCKING OFF ELDERLY WOMEN & ENTICING PRINCE WILLIAM TO SEND HIS KIDS TO #MONTOSORRI FKN SCHOOLS WITH THE EPSTEIN, PRINCE ANDREW, GHILSANE MAXWELL, KENNEDY SEX TRAFFICKING & PEDOPHILE NETWORK!
GO HAVE A LOOK AT ANOTHER PEDOPHILE FRIEND OF CAROLINE KENNEDY, #MALKA LEIFER, AND HER CONTINUED HARASSMENT OF HER FEMALE VICTIMS WHILE PREGNANT.
THEY BOTH SPENT YEARS SEXUALLY HARASSING ME TOO, AFTER MALKA WAS FINALLY EXTRADITED FROM ISRAEL DESPITE THE EFFORTS OF CAROLINE KENNEDY!
I truly say this as a concerned, loving Christian, worried for the wellbeing of others.
It breaks my heart to hear of praying to anyone besides
Jesus and the Father--other imperfect, mortal humans who have been put on a pedestal by other humans.
It actually does against Scripture, and they do say to not add or take anything away. Where in the Bible does it say to pray to Mary and human "saints"?
Prayer to dead people get you no where. They cant hear you or do Gods work for you. If you need help pray to God in the name of Jesus.
Protestants people in heaven aren't dead! What a stupid thing to say. Saint Paul wrote of the 'great cloud of witnesses' in heaven who are concerned with our progress to heaven. Also Jesus said there is life after death. How can you believe you have an afterlife in heaven and then say that the people closest to God cannot pray for us, that they are "dead"? What do you think life after death is, if those who are fully alive in Christ in heaven and perfectly aligned to God's will, standing in his presence, are "dead"? Can't you even grasp how stupid it is to say that souls in heaven are "dead"? The STUPIDITY of Protestant traditions of men (Luther and Calvin) are so mind-boggling that Catholics wonder if you just have to be stupid as a prerequisite to being Protestant. The book of Revelation also speaks of the blessed in heaven praying for us. You don't know or understand (or even accept) the WHOLE BIBLE and in your ignorance of the history Christianity and the Bible you pass judgement on things you don't understand based on bigotry and lies you've been told all your life. But Protestantism is a tradition of men started NOT by Jesus but by Luther and Calvin who took the Catholic Bible out of the Catholic Church, tore out all the books they did not believe in and created a false, new, 'Christianity' that's a pack of lies, tore Christ's church into many parts and started western civilization onto the downward slide into relativism, materialism and selfish individualism we see today. Why did Luther want to tear the Letter of James out of the Bible (Bible Christian? Bible haters!)? Because of his lie of 'faith alone' being completely refuted by scripture, so just tear out any parts of scripture that reveal that sola fides and Sola scriptura are lies from Satan. Look up 'faith alone' in the Bible. Where do you find that phrase in the Bible? I dare you to look up 'faith alone' those words exactly, in scripture. When you do, you'll see that Protestantism is a lie and not supported by the Bible. It was totally made up by two men in the 1500s. And you have the diabolical arrogance to call yourself 'Bible Christians' when the Bible itself proves that sola fides and Sola scriptura are diabolical lies. But of course, you have to be stupid to believe Luther's lies and Calvin's casuistry, so it's no point talking to brain dead bigots.
Those in heaven are aware of the prayers of those on earth. This can be seen, for example, in Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of “golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.” But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers.
JOE KENNEDY IS THE ONE THAT NEEDED THE LOBOTOMY NOT ROSEMARY KENNEDY 😶
papa joe needed his nutts removed....and the lobotomy!
anna i agree.
I agree with you!
Joe Kennedy was a monster!
either him or her brother Ted
watching this brought tears to my eyes I've taken care of mentally disabled adults and once their family puts them in a institution they never come back we become their family and that really hurts to see it makes me so happy that they didn't turn their back on her or disown her
thank God things have changed an we keep our special children with us xx
mary morga
mary morgan
We're come on a little
mary morgan thank you Mary for those words you were head on I myself had symptoms of borderline retardation issues when I was younger where I was a slow developer myself (im in my 50s now) however I managed to overcome some of those obstacles by having to take special education classes going to special education school when was younger. Rosemary's case was a little bit more severe than mine however what happened to her did not need to happen she could have lived a somewhat normal life if she lived in this day and age where her condition to be more treatable Unfortunately they didn't have that back in 1940 it was Joe Kennedy did to that poor beautiful young lady was very incomprehensible.
Unless you're in Iceland where children with Down's are aborted as a "cure" - they're quite proud of their accomplishment too... Murder as a "cure" - the irony...
The lecturer tries her best to sugar coat what can only be called a cruel coverup of an embarrassment for a super-elite family of more than human beauty. She didn't measure up, so they covered it up for as long as they could and then got rid of her. The true Rose, wanting more than anything to maintain the correct appearance, didn't particularly care. It is as ugly as it seems.
Right..
Right? I felt like she was trying to make her sounds really slow when a lot of people who knew her at the time say Rosemary was a independent beautiful young lady who did her best to please her parents of course she had a learning difficulties but it wasn't as bad as the author is making it out to be
cubomania3 she was bipolar I'm sure hence the flirting and bad temper and running off in middle of night in her night gown
+cubomania3 Yes, Rosemary was beautiful, but people with developmental delays can "look normal." I"m not sure about the IQ test that was done when she was very young that said she was in the 60-70 range because she seems to have only been tested once and when test was new. Nonetheless, she certainly had developmental delays. I don't know why it is a problem to admit that. It would be just as tragic that she was lobotomized no matter what her intellectual capacity.
Katie Kat
Exactly. My point was that, it seems to me, Joe didn't want a child that couldn't keep up and was increasingly impossible to handle, so he resorted to the "cure" of the time in the "manly manner" of the time. It's clear in Doris Goodwin's book and the recent bio of Joe.
I never realized that she was at home as long she was. I thought she was institutionalized as a baby. She was so beautiful. What a shame.
Congrats to her sister for going all out to help those with disabilities
So sad what that nurse did,when she could have took the baby herself. I to wonder if that nurse knew what she cause Rosemary to live with. Not a good nurse or person.
...you are spot-on, Janel....my own Mother has told me stories about these Nazis nursing practice, when she birthed the 6 of us....but, luckily, my Grandmother, was a midwife, so my Mother, knew a few things about birthing....Doctor's always kept women, in-the-dark, about their own bodies & ESPecially, childbirth....humans have wicked-ways to hurt each other....Thank-you, for your input, Janel....😀😀😀
I wouldn’t let nurse ratchet touch me.
But the nurse was told to stop the birth until the doctor arrived so that he would receive his payment... She was only doing as ordered.... Remember the era it was in.... Women didn’t speak up then....
@@gaylemillerround123 - Exactly. Nor would I have crossed my legs to prevent nature from taking it's course.
@@pamelanagorr9596 Spot on...my mother was told to "wait" until "her" doctor got to the hospital when she was giving birth, however, my brother didnt follow orders. Out he came with the resident doctor in attendance. My mom always made a point in adding this in his "birthing story", she thought the order was the most ridiculous thing she had heard of. This was 1951.
.When I was a child we heard about the child that the Kennedy's hid. These parents were ashamed of her because they thought she would embarrass the family. How could they do this to their own child. Shame on them.
She was so beautiful. RIP honey.
Glad Rosemary found peace in Wisconsin, away from all the competition.
what Peace is that ? confused in a mental institution ? that is not peace but torture.
@@linanicolia1363 She lived in her own house, across the street from the main institution.
I often drive by the house.
Really interesting. She is a wonderful speaker besides a great author. It is hard to believe in this day and age the Kennedy's would try to block her from seeking information. I think the nurse that held Rosemary in until the doctor arrived should have been banned from medicine for the rest of her life. So terribly sad that she lived so long and no one went to see her.
Thank you for this. I've always wondered about Rosemary Kennedy 💚💚 Very sad because she was actually high functioning before the awful operation that made her worse.
I wonder if that nurse ever found out what the results of her actions were. How sad that the nurses of the day were taught that making sure the doctor received his fee was more important than the life of the child.
....some nurses treated the Docs, like gods...enterprisebaby....!! They would do anything for their own job-security & Nazi-like, control over people, places & things....😯😯😯😯...Thanks, for your input !!!
everybody made a contribution to this mess ; and it continues today ; bad science is tolerated and touted as acceptable profit making as it makes us all sick ; being a murderer seems to make presidential candidates more attractive too ; lots of soul searching needs to be done if anyone can find their soul in this purposefully spiritually bankrupt world and yes he was a bootlegger and had ties to the mafia /organized crime
Starting in the early 1940s, my grandmother-with a BS in nursing--delivered babies when doctors would show up late at night, show up drunk, or not at all. Thank God she was smart enough to take the bull by the horns. I don't know if it was because, when she was born in 1922, the obstetrician (in a hospital) was so drunk, he filled out the paperwork improperly, and he damaged my great-grandmother's system forever. (She could never have more children.)
It's really tragic that when Rosemary was born, she didn't have a nurse who knew better than to make her mother's womb a virtual death chamber for her, as the oxygen deprivation was sealing her fate.
enterprisebaby h
realize that this is Rose's version of the story. The nurse might have said that. However, Rose also might have wanted to place blame rather than admit that a Kennedy was born with intellectual deficits.
This is proof that money cannot make loving, caring parents. She was so beautiful ❤️.
Indeed. She seems radiant and full of life in those pictures before this "operation". All she needed was proper treatment, and despite her challenges might have had a happy life. Sickening. Even back then there were some parents that would have loved her.
Jfk jr would visit her often. That was so sweet.
God only knows what he wanted her for
Thank you so very much. What a lovely story. It moved me to tears. Nevertheless, I really enjoyed the way you ended it. One person's life influenced and helped so many others.
Since reading a biography on Joe Kennedy, I’ve had basically no respect for the family. Thank God for Eunice! Listening to this helps me understand things better. As for Joe and Rose, he had affair after affair. This may have changed Rose a lot (not giving her excuses, but I’ve witnessed this first hand). It’s all so very sad.
As most presidents.. it's almost as if it's a recomendation
The Kennedy men cause me to feel more and more sick and disgusted every single day.
I really think that Joe and Rose Kennedy were terrible parents.
Product of the times. Wonder if they didn't have the money if they would have dumpped her sooner.
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Rose knew nothing about the lobotomy though.
Laura....listen to this, again....she DID know....she gave conflicting interviews regarding the procedures but did have her daughter research the procedure....so, she DID KNOW....not a nice lady....NOT a Mother to this poor girl....Rosemary HIT her when she came to see her after TWENTY YEARS....the hubris of the woman!!!
I grew up blue collar but married an upper class man. I saw many families that had $$ who had children for the Christmas photo...
Unexcusable and sad... although common of that day. Anyone with a disability was hidden away especially in elite families. I will say though that from what I knew and saw, she was in a really good place. Born and raised, and my father worked there back in the day when they still had a open kitchen. So glad that SOMEONE is telling Rosemary's story because that much is owed to her... she was hidden.
Like today people believed doctors know it all...
Instead of removing part of her brain they could have hired several montasery teachers to keep slowly adding onto her skills.
Yes, they certainly had the means to hire the best tutors and nurses and assistants for her to keep her happy and protected. She could have had a happy life... But Joe didn't want the stain of a "retarded" daughter on his family, he had big plans for his sons after all. So he kept trying to "fix" her... and when that didn't work, he found that quack doctor who promised to make her "normal" and turn her into the good obedient little daughter Joe wanted.
Wow... I had always heard that Rose had no idea. Can't imagine how horrible it was for the siblings.
Regardless that Joe did this while Rose was on vacation there are NO excuses for Rose Kennedy not visiting her daughter for 20 years! Crazy old mare breeder only cared about status & appearance.
joe had it done and never looked back.
for real - Rose refused to attend the funeral of her daughter Kathleen, who died on a plane crash in 1948, instead, it was claimed, chose to enter a hospital for routine medical tests.
You may be right or she could not have tolerated to see what had happened to her daughter. She went from a slow learner to a vegetable. Nothing short of criminal.
That family is full of narcissists that poor girl never had a chance to live a good life. I don’t what anyone says she was the only normal one not them! Joe and Rose needed their front lobes removed they were monsters!
Rosemary was the most beautiful of the sisters, so sad what happened to her. She seemed to have been a vivacious charming young lady who was slower than her siblings but could have still had a good life. In the film clips and photos of her before the surgery she looked so charming and seemed so sweet. Joe must have felt completely threatened by her disabilities so he wanted her to disappear for the sake of the family. Sad. But glad to see Rosemary getting some new attention with this book.
Back then, most rich families who had disabled children, quietly transferred them to institutions to be locked away forever. At least, Joe and Rose tried to keep Rosemary and included her in the family. But they kept trying to "fix" her, they didn't want to accept that there was no fixing her disabilities. And when the threat of a scandal grew and it became difficult to hide her, they fell for those criminal quack doctors who promised to miraculously turn her into a "normal" young woman.
She was becoming sexually active and that’s why she ended up with a lobotomy. OK for her brothers, but an embarrassment because she was a girl.
Disgusting for the beautiful daughter
The Kennedys wee embarrassed and so shocking the Kennedy treated her
@@jude8223 I heard that that she was being sexually promiscuous, my mother said the same.
Rosemary was a beautiful girl. I have an adult child with special needs. Because of Euince people think differently of people with disabilities.
When I was watching this I could help but be memorized by her beauty she was really beautiful. I think she was the prettiest one of all the Kennedy’s.
@@jessicamarie8299 i do too. terrible shame what happened to her💔
R.I.P Rosemary. Her life is the origin of the Kennedy family curse.
there is no curse they were murdered
I feel the same way. They were murdered and the father was cursed bc of what he did to Rosemary
So So True...
COC Yu - Four of their children died tragically after Rosemary had the surgery in 1941; that was a divine punishment for Rose and Joe. Joseph died in 1944, Kathleen in 1948, John in 1963, and Robert in 1968. Both Rose and Joe were alive to see the tragic end of four children. What they did to Rosemary was unforgivable!
@@earth7451 Rose Sr was kept in the dark, this is almost all Joe's sin. He comes off as a narcissistic parent, who saw his sons as an extension of himself
How could her father care so little for her. So tragic!
God bless her beautiful soul. I work with students just like her. ❤
absolutely fabulous
i just finished reading your book and your presentation was such a interesting addition.
thank you for all you do in selfless work to preserve our history
peace,
lis
The Prettiest Kennedy Sister.
The Dr's Watt and Freeman should have been arrested and jailed for lying about lobotomies. So should those who performed that hideous procedure. What can be said about those parents? Sick. Just sick.
To byla banda mordercow!!!!!
This is amazing. I was delighted to learn that the kennedys were instrumental in developing the special olympics. I myself worked for a time with patients with intellectual disabilities and became involved with their training for national sports. The ultimate goal for them was to go to the olympics. I saw the joy this activity bought to them. So thank you for diseminating this information
Dee walker I know this comment was over 5 years ago, but as the mama of a son with down syndrome, I have to say thank you for your work!
Thoroughly enjoyed Ms Clifford's synopsis of her latest book of Rosemary Kennedy.
me too-wonderful. i don't understand some of the mean comments demeaning her appearance and saying she's obviously so full of herself. i didn't get that impression at all. she's a wonderful author. i would love to read her books. very bright thoughtful intelligent woman.
i was always taught to be kind to the mental and pyhsical disabaled it can happen to any one at any time i have a lot of challenged friends and i treat them as if they are all normal when they see me in public they all come up to say hi and a visit they are all beautiful
This is why it is so vitally important to use your own critical thinking and dont just turn over it all to any doctor.
take in what they say but have healthy countering and do your own research and advocate and fight for yourself or a loved one with all your might. dont worry about being nice or not ruffling feathers. ruffle what you need to. ruffle, ruffle, ruffle
....you are right, Brenda...ppl believe that Docs are Supreme....they are just $$$, book-smart & have clinical experience ...but we do, need GOOD Docs, who don't PRey, on their Patients...clearly, Dr. Freedman, ( wasn't he a psychiatrist ? ) was a dangerous man who learned lobotomy, in Ecuador & hobnobbing with Mengele'-type, Docs, over there....power, $$$ & fame....the TRUTH, sets us FRee & can be most.... TRAgic.....at the same time....😢😢😢😢
Brenda: Well said! Right on. So many ppl are totally lacking in common sense.
exactly Brenda Don't be afraid to question your dr or ask for a second opinion, its YOUR life
I enjoyed that immensely! I vaguely remember hearing or reading something about Rosemary Kennedy and her disabilities! I am definitely going to read your book!
Barbaric inhumane evil treatment to this beautiful remarkable 23 yr old young lady...how could they let this happen
Horrible what they did to her. I think this was the start of the so called “Kennedy Curse” RIP and God Love you Rosemary. X
She would have been so lonely….
She was abused and traumatised and with no one to at least be with her.
My heart goes to her spirit.
So very sad. Because of Rosemary, Eunice started “Camp Kennedy” which eventually became Special Olympics. Eunice earned her way into heaven.
No one "earns" Heaven. Eunice was a devout Catholic. She would have known that salvation is rooted in faith in Jesus Christ as Lord God Incarnate and Savior. But Eunice lived the sort of magnificent life, devoted to helping the afflicted, which truly devout Christians should live, and I don't doubt that her life of faithful discipleship will be acknowledged with great rewards in Heaven.
Nobody earns their way to heaven. Jesus laid down His life. That's the biggest thing ever to happen on this earth. Most people go to hell because they love wickedness and sin. Repent.
@@theonecounttheonecount8477 Amen, good works will never get anyone entrance into heaven.
John 14:6 KJV
[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
@@heismightytosave527 I read Scripture. It tells me not to be judgmental. Maybe you missed that part?
@@heismightytosave527 Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast. [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
I knew her story before, but `underestimated` the family. I will definitely purchase the book and look for more presentations. Thank you.
Back then, she would of been called "intellectually disabled" (Before lobotomy). Today, she would have her own realty tv show.
All jokes aside, she was absolutely stunning. If there is a hell, Joseph Kennedy is in there.
Back then she would have been called mentally retarded. As a child (1960's)we had a neighbor named Renee, she was 28 years old and her mother cared for her from home from the get go. She was also physically disabled had some right side paralyses and rigidness that resulted in a unusual gait but she could play with us kids with abandon. My mom said she was mentally retarded but she too liked Renee and allowed us to include her in our outside play. Earlier, before the 50's the word "feeble minded" would be used, that slipped into her vocabulary every once in a while.
This has been a while but it was so well presented and should be a big part of history! An excellent presentation
This was a great video. I always wondered about Rosemary and how her life was.
They treated her as an experiment. So sad. Rest easy rosemary.
During those times there was rarely any other option other than institutionalizing a person. No one knew any better but damn how they treated her. The only good thing that ever came out of this was the creation of the special olympics. Thank you Enuice. As the parent of a special needs child i have the right to speak on this no matter what.
Check out the book Eunice the Kennedy who changed the world. It is talked about on youtube. Much more good came out of this do to Eunice pressing her brothers to create laws that have made such a difference. The woman was a force to be reckoned with.
Never knew just how indebted we are to the Kennedys for all the services, protections and accommodations that my son is provided today.
I think her parents knew fair well the results of this procedure. What better way to control your daughter who couldn’t be controlled and she was too much trouble by making her into a zombie. Her father was an intelligent smart businessman. I don’t believe it one bit he didn’t know! The mother is horrible too. She knew!
The lobotomy was in it's early stages when the procedure was done on Rosemary. It was presented as a hopeful cure.
Rosemary Kennedy home at St. Coletta, (ranch style) was not on the main campus, it was on the property about a mile down the street which is now the new St. Coletta Campus! I know for a fact because I went to St. Coletta for 11 years in the fifties! Rosemary came there in 1949 and I came there in 1951! I seen her many time when she came on campus for events and Saturday afternoon movies at the school Aud. I was just a small boy and at the time I knew she was special but did not know the politic of it! She was there before I came there and was still there after I left!
I know this woman tries to be nice to the parents and not seem to be negative towards them. I however see it as a father especially that was ashamed of her daughter, not as a father protecting her. Shame for the child.
This was a common practice. I remember as a child seeing a woman walk past my home during the summer. She seemed different to me. I asked my mother about her. She was a twin. She was held within the mother and was oxygen deprived.
What a description that might as well apply these days, " the nurse knew how to delay the baby till the doctor arrived and so he could deliver the baby and collect his fee!" Well the doctor might have collected his handsome fee, but the birth came to a very high cost to Rosemary, poor child. One is speechless on such attitudes of both the nurse or the doctor, who vowed otherwise.
In the 1950’s my mother was ready to deliver in the hospital. It was Summer, the doctor wasn’t available yet, so the nurse told my mom to “cross her legs” so as to delay the birth. Luckily the baby was healthy.
The doctor would have collected his fee anyway.They still do to this day,even if delivered by a nurse or even an ER doctor.I mean what insurance provider checks to see if the OB/GYN was even there?
Another thing that needs to be touched on, people did not question doctors in that era. Anything a doctor said had to be true. I remember the older generation behaved in this way. They never questioned doctors. I think Joe sincerely believed that a lobotomy would work based on doctor's testimony. Rose probably saw few, if any, options left for Rosemary. Today she'd be on heavy medication, living in some assisted home setup, with no lobotomy.
You don't know that. Rosemary may have committed suicide with her mental illness. God kept her hair for a reason. If she wasn't meant to be here she wouldn't.
Remember they didn't have the therapies and medication that they do today. Without the lobotomy, and the advancement of treatments Rosemary may have done pretty well.
Could have gone the other way for Rosemary. Only God knows. I'm thankful they have better treatments and medication today. Sadly, the advancements are here but they're not always given to the patient. I saw that at the Bayside psychiatric nursing home here in Waukegan Illinois. Pretty much a warehouse. Very sad
As the author pointed out, the Kennedy's had oodles and oodles of money to help their daughter. Whereas, many other patients and families don't.
Many doctors and hospitals may have encouraged Joe as if they were confident it would be a success. Yet, they probably really wanted to use her as a test subject.