Blame For Canada's WJC Loss Is Squarely On Hockey Canadas' Shoulders - Prospect Talk #24
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- čas přidán 2. 01. 2024
- On this episode of The Sick Podcast, Rocco Zappia joins Shayne Gaumond and Grant McCagg to discuss Canada being eliminated from the World Juniors, Rocco's riser of the week, prospect of the week and more. Later in the show, Shayne and Grant discuss the Habs prospects of the week.
Thanks Guys. Another great show.
They had great skaters and passers..... what is missing? And as you guys commented....lack of vets. Young team. Oh well.
Working theory why Canada is not producing as many quality goalies as before. Too many of the goalies in Canada play on juggernaut teams and see very few shots and a rarely called upon to save their team's bacon. Very rarely do they see a large shot volume.
I understand the point with the goalies. But for the 2025 draft class, two cant miss prospects from Canada are goalies. Gabriel Daigle and Joshua Ravensburgen are great prospects who is coming
I look forward to ASAP this week watching more of the video in question, said video having come up in a CZcams feed minutes before I'd started writing this message. There's no doubt, in response to the title, that Hockey Canada does shoulder a LOT of responsibility for having failed to prepare for the real possibility that Connor Bedard and Adam Fantilli, who played in the WJC tourney that'd ended in January 2023, might be drafted so high up, during the then-upcoming NHL Entry Draft, that possibly 1, or even BOTH, might be unavailable to attend the 2024 WJC tourney. Well both were drafted in the top-5 of that NHLED, with neither NHLED team having made either player available for this tourney.
Of players who participated for Canada's WJC team during the tourney that for that team ended with a QF loss to its Czech counterpart and are eligible to return to play in at least 1 more WJC tourney:
- Macklin Celebrini, whose 18th birthday will be coming in June, will be eligible to attend each of the next 2 (IIHF upper age limit being 20 as of the year of a given tourney's end) but should he be drafted in the top-5 during an upcoming NHLED may be unavailable for at least 1 of the next 2 such tourneys
- Matt Wood (whose 19th birthday will also be in June, is playing in the NCAA and was drafted by the Preds in the last NHLED but at 15th and thus [unlike Bedard or Fantilli] outside the top-10) will get to participate in the 2025 WJC tourney if selected but as his 20th birthday will be that year, he won't get to participate in a WJC tourney that ends in 2026 or later
- Brayden Yager, whose 19th birthday will be in March, was drafted, as was Wood, in the top-20 of the 2023 NHLED but outside the top-10, making Yager eligible to participate in the 2025 WJC touney but none after that
- Scott Ratzlaff, a goalie, like Yager, will be celebrating his 19th birthday in March and was, in the 2023 NHLED, drafted outside the top-10 (in the goalie's case WELL outside, at 141st overall by the Sabres, and thus as the 13th pick in the 5th round of said Draft)
I thus count only FOUR members of Canada's 2024 WJC roster eligible to return to the next relevant tourney, making the opportunity for Hockey Canada to SIGNIFICANTLY revamp the WJC roster for the next tourney. Hopefully Hockey Canada won't blow that opportunity to make big changes because oh boy are such changes necessary for the WJC to improve its odds of appearing in the relevant 2025 Gold-Medal Game.
It seems that Dickenson is a better defense prospect in this draft year than Reinbacher was last year ???
The new touchy feely Hockey Canada where inclusion is prioritized over winning. Team construction was politicized rather than optimized.
Love a little bit of Rocco, but we come here for Grant! 😅
Shayne is the best too!
there were no cohesion bad passes never hit anybody and could not score in a barndoor size net.
hockey canada high pay check. thats where it goes.
hockey canada is to blame .
The young players gave their best but the same can't be said about Hockey Canada and yes the totally incompetent Justin Trudeau who wouldn't know which end of a hockey stick to hold and couldn't care less about hockey. Since when Canada cannot afford to properly prepare our team for serious competition ? You don't have to be a genius to know that if you just throw a team together at the last minute the results are in jeopardy.
Take the top 6 players off the rosters and see how they do
I wrote overnight Wednesday into Thursday Eastern Time how there would have to be big changes to Canada's WJC roster simply due to so many players on that roster who would be too old, under IIHF rules, to participate in future IIHF tourneys. Of players who participated in the 2023 tourney, Connor Bedard (selected 1st overall in last year's NHL Entry Draft by the Blackhawks) will have his 19th birthday in July, making him eligible to participate in the upcoming tourney in the Ottawa metro area. That said, he's unlikely to be available for that upcoming tourney barring a huge enough drop-off in point production with the Hawks that he's sent back to the major-junior team on which he had, going into the NHLED in which he'd be drafted, been playing or the AHL (or even ECHL) affiliate.
The 5:50 mark features the start of a discussion about the IIHF WJC Summer Showcase. There is absolutely NO excuse for Hockey Canada to just NOT send its WJC team so such team can build chemistry over months rather than days. TBD will be, with how the Canadian WJC team was humbled by its Swedish (2-0) and Czech (3-2 in regulation) counterparts at the 2024 tourney, whether Hockey Canada execs will listen to the feedback on the relevant WJC team's performance or just hope that repeating what that org did will work. There are no guarantees but my God does the WJC team need more game-breakers as, on the hard court, Raptors' shooting guard Scottie Barnes (drafted 4th by that very team during the 2021 NBA Entry Draft) has become.
@@wainber1 it’s the 4th time in 28 years that they didn’t win a medal. Relax. Had all players been made available they would’ve likely won their 4th straight.
@@caperboy1169 I remain concerned that this medal-less tourney for Canada's WJC team will become part of a trend unless Hockey Canada does a better job of preparing that team for relevant tourneys. One of those would be entry of that team into the relevant Summer Showcase.
A 2nd is for potential unavailability of top-10 NHL Draft picks as was the case for the 2024 WJC tourney of Connor Bedard and Adam Fantilli due to their amazing point production and that they'd been drafted in the top-5 in their NHL Draft year (2023 in each case). Juraj Slafkovsky didn't participate in either of the last 2 WJC tourneys for the relevant Slovak team either, with the Habs' team that'd drafted him at 1st overall in 2022 having not made him available for either WJC tourney.
Macklin Celebrini (who played for Canada's 2024 WJC team and given his 18th birthday is scheduled for later this year) will be eligible to play in each of the next 2 WJC tourneys but may be unavailable for either or both of them depending on whether:
- an NHL team drafts him and, if so, how high in a year during which he's eligible to be drafted he ends up being drafted
or
- he instead enters the NHL as an undrafted player (as Canucks' winger Andrey Kuzmenko and Kraken [ex-Bolts] centre-winger Pierre-Edouard Bellemare did)
@@wainber1 same rules applies for all teams . It’s nice to see other teams do well. It’s good for the game. There’s nothing wrong with the tournament. I’ve been watching it since 1977. It’s come a long way. Liike I said, it’s not 4 times in the last 28 years have they not won a medal . It’s ok
@@caperboy1169 2 medal-less tourneys of the last 6 isn't so good. Other teams have been catching up, and it's time for Hockey Canada execs to take notice or see the WJC team continue to struggle winning quarterfinal games.
That was the most boring WJC's ever for me nothing really impressed me.
As for Habs prospects pfft there is nothing there that wasn't already there >>Hutson.Hutson is so good at buying time to find a pass but who in reality is he going to work with the team badly lacks high IQ scorers.
The one guy Cole does have the ability but that is one guy and he went through a streak that made him look sub par as he was trying to squeak in shots from impossible angles and not elevating his shots as often as he should be.
There is no surprises now that were not already there Matheson is a workhorse he does it all for the Habs and I am very skeptical that Hutson can make an impact on THIS team with the current top 6 players.The habs are very sloppy in their two way play and Hutson will only make that worse he tends to fall down literally every game trying to make crazy moves and when those long typical cycles are happening he is not going to win any puck battles and never plays it safe shooting it out.
You realize the habs are rebuilding and they don't have a 2nd line right now? They don't need to win now.... they are in for the long haul. Have patience man, Jesus.
Also, Mesar looked great.
Hockey Canada wants to take a all trans/black team
I wouldn't be surprised.