The Absolute Chaos of Halo Infinite
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"Halo Infinite is the platform for the next 10 years of Halo"
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MUSIC
Infiltrate - Halo 3
Delta Halo Suite - Halo 2
walk in the woods - Halo CE
Warthog Run - Halo 3
Luck - Halo 3
Rock Sport Workout - Infraction
Unyielding - Halo 2
Mausoleum Suite - Halo 2
Deference for Darkness - Halo 3: ODST
Sierra 117 - Halo 3
Brothers in Arms - Halo 3
Mombasa Suite - Halo 2
Covenant Dance - Halo 3
Mood - Peyruis
Loopster - Kevin Macleod
Choose Wisely - Halo 3
Perilous Journey - Halo CE - Hry
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*Never Trust 343. Always Trust 2001-2010 Bungie.*
*Halo 3 & Reach Better Than Halo Infinite.*
*Do you believe in the Propaganda of the Demons of Today? Or is it true legendary nostalgia of the classic oldies? the choice is yours.*
3:07 Crowbcat Legendary Video: Remember Halo.
I used it. Thanks.
For everyone saying that Bungie should get the game back, they clearly haven’t been paying attention to what Bungie is doing with Destiny 2.
Factual statement lol
@@TheosakeTechnically its his sister and the new DLC that is Lightfall is hilariously bad but the seasonal content is somewhat better than the DLC itself, there ya go
@@TheosakeI played it for the first time in over a year earlier today and I’ll be honest, it’s pretty samey this far, but I wasn’t around during taken kind so I don’t really know just how much has been added and such, but right now it’s not looking pretty im just staying around till the final shake just for the story even though it’s been mid at best even though I doubt that will change
@@Theosakewitch queen campaign was phenomenal, but lightfall this year is complete ass.
I play destiny 2 and this is very much the case.
the fact that they lost so much money trying to save money is just hilarious
That's short termism for you. Management at so many gaming studios suck so much ass it's just becoming ridiculous now. Cyberpunk was another victim, as was Mass Effect Andromeda. God knows what the next Dragon Age will be like. I'm so desperate to wanting Starfield to be good too, hoping Microsoft has learned some lessons on cheapening out games development and left Bethesda be without too much interference.
Pencil pushers have no idea how game development works and are simply crunching numbers to save as much money as they can _now_ rather than spend a little bit more for that bigger payoff. They treat this industry like the fast food one, and it shows.
Larian Studios's Baldurs Gate 3 is what happens when the devs are actually in charge of everything. I hope they resist the temptation to sell themselves out to whatever games publishers coz they all suck.
End rant.
tech debt
No, no you see-- it did save money over the short term period that whoever was making the decision was working there. They then leave the company saying "I was able to save X dollars through prudent management methodologies at X." and go do the same thing for a couple years somewhere else.
@@necro4258 jesus christ
Short sighted company. Always screwing things up. They're disorganized and bloated. They are never innovative, always reactive... and that's why they always fail. I wish they never bought Rare.
They'll be doing case studies on how badly 343i fumbled the Halo property in the future. Bungie handed them the golden Lamborghini and they crashed it
They didn’t even crash it they just shredded it
They glassed it.
Just like Disney with star wars
Converted the golden lambo into a Honda Civic that occasionally goes above 40 mph
@@AmazedBunion so disappointing to hear
20:32 glad I paused and read the challenges. “Get 50 betrayals in a single match without getting kicked” has me dying over here.
Lol WTF
Did they intend to turn the entire playerbase into the most absolute dogshit toxic players in the universe ? 😅
@@NKWittmann it's not real :( i checked
@@NKWittmann even though the screenshot was fake. it absolutely made people worse at the game, hunting missions instead of fulfilling the match objective. glad they changed it though, feels like my teamates are actually doing the objective now lol
@@NKWittmann Obvious joke, buddy :)
hahaha I didn't see that but this video has a lot of funny easter eggs like that. i rarely laugh or even finish videos on youtube. this was well done.
I mean, what did you guys expect when a studio names themselves as the AI betraying you all along the saga ??
Bruh exactly, who thought 343 was a good title for the studio lmao these guys never understood Halo from the very beginning
@@wlot28should’ve called themselves the gravemind ffs
The schizo rampant AI? It fits... 😂
@@hanslanda8303or The Covenant
(prophet of) Regret Industries
"343 is now looking three-for-three" was such an excellent line.
Ha, “3 4 3”
Ultimately Microsofts fault. HOW the same management survived 2 failed flagship titles in a row and was allowed a 3rd attempt is beyond the understanding of logical humans everywhere 😂
CO OP with a friend was the true heart of halo. And it was axed. That was truly sad. Was planning on getting Halo 4 to 6 in one go. But oh well. Halo 3 was truly the end. And I am willing to accept that.
@@praetorian3902 "343" sounds the same as "3 for 3" which is way of saying they have *missed* 3 shots out of 3 shots they've taken.
Absolute stellar irony that fits so well with what's been happening.
"We hired people who hated Halo..." ----An actual quote from 343
I think your talking it out of context
@@MisterFishChannel I assume when he said that, he meant to convey that fresh and new creative minds were going to be contributing to an IP to avoid stagnation which is fine, but regardless it was an incredibly tone-deaf and foolish way to phrase it. Not to mention, allowing too many newcomers that much power over an insanely beloved IP is bound to result in a dumpster fire.
Source?
Halo died with Reach. Chief is still floating in space, remembered as a legend which slowly fades into myth. That is how I tell it, and no one will ever convince me otherwise.
Reach was a prequel not the end to the saga
@@teenageleafzer0876 the series died with Reach. There is nothing more to say.
@feartheoldblood Halo 4 was one of the best Halos and had the most in-depth stories that only real fans understood. You sound like a pathetic child feeling sorry for themselves.
@@feartheoldblooddelusional
@@jrfirefiher you just like shitty games
As a helpdesk tech, that bit about them only using contractors to make the engine suddenly makes a lot of sense. That absolutely killed them long-term
I'm a website developer and fully understand how this could have crippled 343. They had no idea what they were doing once those contractors left. Downloading the banner image millions of times on the loading screen?? My goodness what a mess
What does that have to with being a help desk tech lol
343 knew what Microsoft's policy was. Hell, they were born out of Microsoft. This is entirely a 343 problem for not planning their only product properly. They had ONE JOB and they screwed it from the get-go.
@@kennypowers1945He’s relating his experience of being a contractor to let us know that when you’re a contractor you won’t produce the same “labour of love” type work that a permanent, diligent worker would.
as always it is a management false where you tell them it is a bad idea but they simply don't care, because their spreadsheet says something else
I'm working as a developer and most of projects fail because of delusional management that do not listen to more experienced people, and also huge budget cuts in places where there should be no budget cuts (mostly the QA part)
So 343's biggest sin and mistake was outsourcing everything instead of having an actual culture and personality. That explains a lot.
It's okay, the culture and personality they had before Infinite was one of extreme smugness, condescension and generally just douchebag-esque, so nothing of value was lost there
Lmfao the absolute delusion of you absolute basement dwellers in the halo community, has become beyond pathetic.
Halo infinite, is the best halo has ever been. Period. It's got the best gameplay. The characters are outright superior. Their story telling is better. Their gunplay is better. Their sandbox is superior.
Halo infinite has the most maps in the entire series. The most modes. The best forge.
@@nagger8216 I don't think that's what the "culture" he was referring to.
It's amazing that a bunch of contractors made a better halo than 343 tho
Blame Microsoft.. It's them who make devs hire contractors cuz they don't wanna hire full time employees.
When the writers of the halo tv show came out and said they never played the games, I knew it would be bad. All they had to do was follow the already written story from the games and it would’ve been huge. But I digress
Or hell, adapt Fall of Reach
Fun Fact regarding the 3 Piano Notes: Marty O'Donell said in an interview he showed the piano theme from Halo 3 to the MS execs and they hated it.... and wanted it changed.... tells you everything what to expect from MS Corpo
Cooperate
Marty is the GOAT.
The real villain here is Microsoft keeping faith on such an incompetent team for so long.
Microsoft don't care anymore, they're about to buy Call of Duty whole.
@@ObviouslyKieran And turn it into another Halo fiasco I’m sure.
@@SpectorEuro4 They have Treyarch at least but they fixed the old games servers.
@ObviouskyKieran, anyone thinking that M$ buying Activision is a good thing is setting themselve for a rude awakening.
Everything they touch is ruined, always.
They are like EA and Activision that they run everything to the ground and that studios they buy end shutting down.
They are terrible, lol.
I'd like this comment, but you have 343 likes.
IRONY.
It’s honestly unbelievable how hard 343 fumbled Infinite when it had SOOO much hype
The main issue seemed like microsoft fumbling it with hiring contractors, and whoever decided any cosmetic option should cost money
@@gunmetalgrey7103 and ya know, garbage gameplay, horrible optimization, basic features not working or even being present. Ya know. Just basic issues.
@@bldontmatter5319Video says gameplay is solid. What is it, bad or good?
@@bldontmatter5319Garbage gameplay is one issue Infinite didn't have. The problem was there wasn't enough game to play IN. That and the bugs.
ADS, sprint, mantling, and sliding just doesn't belong. It's a point of contention but you see a lot of OG fans don't like it; new fans enjoyed the additions.
Don't know if that answers your question but it really depends on who you ask.
Im thankful that I grew up experiencing the era where games needed to be complete before being launched. While the technical capabilities back then were definitely lower, it felt like the devs cared more about their games back then. Such a shame to see the entire industry go down this same path of maximum monetization for minimal product
Not the ENTIRE industry; check out indy developers like Hinterland (The Long Dark), Hooded Horse (Against the Storm) and Bellular Studios (The Pale Beyond) to see great games at a good price and dedicated, ethical developers with a long-term commitment. There seems a particular issue with FPS type games which require huge investment and have massive hype attached to them; hype which is rarely justified.
@@chriswarburtonbrown1566 true, there are those that still put the effort in. I just wish it was still the norm, not the exception
@@chriswarburtonbrown1566long dark came out like 10 years ago, I played it as a kid lmao. Indie is just as bad but it does have more stand outs I suppose
It's not the Devs man, don't blame the code monkeys. The money grubby execs are the fucking problem
I mean all you need to look at is the majority of semi successful indies to find good put together games at launch
Wait... they built an engine with temp employees? Jesus dude. Just incompetence
The fact Corpos cannot understand that murdering your game dev team is a Bad Idea astounds me every time it happens. Who would have thought expertise would be useful? Or actually having people who understand what's going on...
Hey choom, gotta support that games as a service idea! How else are we supposed to pump money into them in the hopes they make a good game?
But who else will think of the shareholders :(
Its amazing that they just hired contractors to build them an Engine.
So>... Before, during and after building the engine and not a single person knows how to use it.
@@Vanished584Yeah that's one of the biggest head scratchers for me. If you're going to hire contractors for such a big project why the fuck would you have them do one of the most important things instead of just the grunt work? Especially when they had a revolving door of contractors all doing patchwork on it. That's main team shit; you leave the contractors to either ASSIST with that in terms of helping fine-tune it or just leave them to more general stuff so your main team doesn't have to near abandon the thing you've wasted four years and a decent bit of money on. It's so unbelievably short-sighted and smooth-brained that you'd think someone from a rival company snuck in and switched which teams did what, with no one bothering to ask which dumbass was responsible for it.
They don't consider the work. Imagine firing a Nasa team of engineers or doing that in any (serious) industry ?
Anyone with the skills can do a game, but it takes a miracle to make the best. They don't understand that
What got me was that they nailed the gameplay, the hard part, and threw the easy stuff off the cliff. I'm astounded MS let their flagship game be fumbled so hard
I'm not honestly sure that you can argue the gameplay is the hard part.
The gameplay they had countless previous titles and a known working formula to work off of. It would have taken extreme incompetence to mess that up.
But making a story and campaign that feels well-written or impactful in any way? That sort of thing is harder.
Most of their flaws though seem to be on the business side of things. They basically removed features Halo is known for - not even implementing basic campaign co-op at launch (despite that being in since the very first Halo) - yet still apparently had the budget and time to add live service features that nobody asked for except their corporate overlords.
@echomjp Yeah I've always felt like the "great gameplay" everybody praises are just those aspects that every Halo game has had, and have been done better in the past. Hundreds of people can parrot "great gameplay no content", but they'll rarely mention specifics.
@@Dillman502nah halo infinite’s gameplay is the best halo gameplay wise hands down. No debate to be had.
@@DonovanGG__"best gameplay" 😂😂😂
@@WonderMePartyStrip 👨🏿🌾
37:00 I love how "big things still in the works" is a list of things Halo 3 and Halo Reach had from the start.
35:50 Dang, I feel like those are EXACTLY the devs they needed. The original devs from Bungie invented Halo by accident when they realized driving around in Warthog was so fun that they could make a game out of it.
holy fuck they actually named the BLM emblem 'bonobo' you cant make this shit up
idiocracy level stupidity
What does bonobo mean? What’s wrong with it?
@@cmleonel it's a species of monkey
After a quick Google search, bonobo is a species of monkey. So you can probably put two and two together…
@@cmleonel it's an ape species related to chimpanzee. They're well-documented for having... interesting pacifistic lifestyle and extreme libido.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo
Such a shame. Those of us who lived through Halo 1, 2, and 3 are lucky. Who would’ve thought that those experiences could never be recreated again at launch
I mean after a whole trilogy ppl don't generally expect to see another 15 years of sequels. Especially since the trilogy was p complete on its own.
I remember when reach came out ppl were on the fence as to whether the prequel was warranted.
Halo 3 was my first real video game. I had grown up playing Sonic, Mario, Smash Bros, Wii Sports, etc, but when I went to my aunt's house and played Halo 3 on my uncle's Xbox at around 7 years old, I was hooked. My parents had to pry me from the controller to get me home that night, and for a few years I begged my parents to get me an Xbox. Fortunately for me I got one for my ninth birthday, whereupon I invited a friend over from 3rd grade and we drank soda, ate chips, and farted around on the same map in a custom lobby for nearly 9 hours straight. Games just don't feel the same anymore. I often wonder if it's the games or me that have changed.
You forgot halo 3: ODST and halo reach
Who would think something so simple as fucking blue would be 20 dollars and locked to a single core.
@@dingus6317both. Weve all gotten older so we have much more to compare it to, aswell as gaming just not being the same. To expensive, to sweaty, boring maps and repetitive gameplay.
The fact that they signed off on the TV show tells you everything you need to know about how badly this franchise has been managed since Bungie
1 word - Microsoft
@@TheMADmkand people somehow still think microsoft will fix actiblizz if they manage to acquire it
@@TheMADmk Sure, its on Microsoft when 343 is given $500+ million to make Halo content and fails to reach even the base level of content present at launch back in 2007. And don't forget that the TV show is Kiki Wolfkill's baby - 343 literally had full creative control over the series and look what they gave us!
@@TheMADmkThe problem is more Microsoft's hands off nature. It used to be Microsoft was to micromanaging but then fans complained, so they bought Mojang and completely left the Game Division on their own. A new CEO comes in and doesn't understand anything about gaming because he's a cloud guy but acquisitions make sense. So slowly Microsoft buys a company and then another. And here we are.
It's been proven that Microsoft can manage a game studio good, look at Playground Games, Double Fine and Mojang. The problem relies in the fact that Microsoft left them be and they ran perfectly. When you look at Undead Labs though, they needed help and they didn't get it. To quote one anonymous employee of undead labs, when Microsoft bought us we were afraid that they would change our culture and suffocate us, instead we did that to ourselves.
@@lifeguardpanda That's phil spencer's Xbox, let studios run themselves instead of trying to right the ship, but that's left their studios to create absolute garbage like arkane with redfall and 343 with infinite having no direction or coherent strategy across their platform. He needs to step in when studios are clearly struggling and restructure their management while leaving the functioning ones alone, otherwise dumpster fires will continue to be developed with no oversight.
343 needs to be cleaned out entirely, or just give the Halo license to more than one studio so Halo fans don't have to keep suffering through 343's terrible decisions and lack of understanding or passion about what actually makes Halo good. Until then this franchise will never see another inch of its past glory again
And here we are now, 343 is done with infinite lol
I think the Master Chief in Infinite serves as a great stand-in for the fans:
Grieving while still carrying on with a hollow facsimile of something once beloved.
The worst thing is that they obviously used their employees to say the things they didn’t put in as a shield to make them the target of fanbase outrage.
Oh, yeah, that happened with Takashi Iizuka over at SEGA and Sonic Team.
Yeah that's dev taking about how "halo's always been a competitive game at its core starting all the way back from the first game" was talking wayyy too "hip cool corporate" for that to actually be his belief... Yeah people wanted that poor guy to be fired, I am of the belief that's what someone above wanted him to say...
@@navb0tactual Nah I actually believe that Sean Barron believes that
Unfortunately they’re not the only big organisation to do that. :(
12:04 “kinda corny right”
EVERY TIME they say "This will last us 10 years"
It blows up on their faces
Looking at you Anthem.
yeah like remember anthem was supposed to last ten years and that went well
Gearbox in 2016 with 'Battleborn' scrapped and moved onto Borderlands 3, another (not total) fucking disaster, Then New tales came out.
We dont talk about New tales in these parts.
Destiny comes to mind too. Granted they still have some following, but not nearly as big as it makes out and was supposed to be from their pitch of conception.
Looking at Bungie with Destiny
because they’re subtly telling you that it’s gonna take a full 10 years for it be good lmao
Bonnie Ross left 343 in the most cowardly way possible. It was literally right after Penguinz0 made a video about how awful 343 is. She made excuses and could not handle taking accountability for her failures.
Women take accountability? LOL
@@FatalDreidel cringe
@@FatalDreidel it isnt their strongsuit.
@@FatalDreidel "Women take accountability? LOL"
Does that include your mama and grandmama?
She won't sleep with you bruh@@grhp4610
Bonnie: we've learned our lesson
Also bonnie: refusing to learn a lesson
The sequel we all needed. I'm sure the next 10 years will be different.
I genuinely want everyone at 343 studios to meet the leshen on your profile picture in real life during a night walk in the woods
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@@MatthewShepmost staff at 343 quit and some of the only people working on infinite are freelancers, everybody jumped ship once it released
@@l.m.l8598for the past 6 months we've gotten a decent staff that provided alot of needed content, if they add a pre game lobby with firefight hall infinite will literally be better than most games today
Honestly the announcement of Infinite being a “live service” should’ve been seen as the kiss of death.
Yep, killed my hype with those words and I didn’t bother. That and I don’t do stuff with 👩💼 studio heads. Not gonna bother with something so incompetent that it let someone like Bonnie Ross lead it for 10 years. Then it goes F2P and live service. No idea why people let themselves be fooled by a CGI trailer.
10 year plan, they said. Then they cancelled any and all story content and turned more and more people away from the multiplayer
It was for anyone who wasn’t a delusional 343 fanboy.
Everybody that wasn’t huffing copy him did see that. If you said anything like that online though people called you a Bungie Fanboys
@@sunlitsonata6853It reminds me of Destiny's 10 year plan.
343 didn't make Halo Wars 2, Creative Assembly did.
He... said that? He talked about it in the first part of this
@@Jiub_SN See people do this dumb thing of pausing the video the moment they hear something they can "URM ACTUALLY!!!!!!" comment at, they then unpause and see they have been a dumbass. This dumbass forgot to remove their comment.
and your point is?....
point is 343 is trash
I had to google the halo cookbook to believe that wasn't a joke
The most anger inducing part of all of this is how they used Staten, they only brought him on as a publicity stunt, he never had any involvement with Infinite’s story (despite how he wrote CE, 2, 3, and Contact Harvest), and they only dragged him out to deliver the bad news.
Wait did he say this?
how do u know that?
Completely talking out of your ass.
Sauce?
I thought he contributed to basically rewriting and salvaging infinites story after they delayed it again, that’s why it’s so choppy hit somewhat halo, he did his best
343 is so incompetent that it is genuinely impressive, They haven't developed a single successful game in 10 years and it seems they are making a conscious effort to take the worst possible decision at every turn
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Blame that on microsoft. What 343 games before Halo ? Nothing. They doesnt earn Halo.
@@the13thjokerI'd rather blame it on the people who actually make these games. Plenty of AAA studios deal with terrible publishers and shitty management, and yet outside of maybe 2042, almost none of them have ever been as shit as all three 343 games.
343 have also changed creative and design leads for every game, including writers and gameplay development leads. That they couldn't get it right after three tries shows they'll never get it right.
Microsoft doesn't manage its studios properly, but 343 are simply uniquely terrible at game development. A studio propped up by corporate nepotism, desperately recruiting any idiot with game design qualifications they can, and trying on low quality contractors.
I'll be very surprised if 343 even still exist in another 2-3 years now that Microsoft own Call of Duty. Why waste $500 million on a single mediocre Halo game that underperforms when that kind of money can fund three Call of Duty games that are guaranteed successes every time?
Literally
Sales wise, they did succeed with Halo 4 and Infinite, though that generally came from the Hype from Halo 3 and Infinite's marketing
long-time Halo fan here, you did a great job on this video! really explains how Halo Infinite turned out like this, I heard somewhere they spent $500 million to make this game, but why you would spend it all on contractors is beyond me.
Meanwhile Arrowhead manages to make a way better game that some are calling "the Halo killer" (it definitely gives me the feeling that firefight used to back in halo reach) for around 500k which is 1/1000th the cost. The first three halo games likely costed less combined than halo infinite.
Notice that the Micro-transaction store in games like this always works perfectly on launch day, is easy to understand, navigate and use, never crashes, lags or disconnects, and gets frequent updates to keep it appealing.
Thanks for the video.
its not that the store itself works perfectly, its the part where you pay the money that works perfectly, the part where you get your items... maybe... maybe not
In otherwords, they put more effort into the store than the actual game. "The comestics don't affect the gameplay" my A$$....
Just like ads on youtube running better than videos
Fallout 76: ‘we’re the exception!’
Reply 5, unless you're Fortnite
Halo Reach had the perfect progression, you could level up and unlock gear playing campaign and firefight offline, you could compare service record and gear with anyone, such good memories.
Reaches progression was AMAZING because ANYTHING you did gave you money. I would sit on my couch grinding 10 minute forge games where I just place as many blocks as possible and then quit because it gave more credits than the average 15 minute Slayer match did for a good long while. You could play custom games purely offline with local splitscreen and everyone would gain credits on their accounts. It really was THE best progression system we have ever seen in the gaming industry. Full stop. Bar none.
Reach was the peak halo for me, obviously its standing on the shoulders of giants, but reach felt like an actual evolution of the halo universe, the story, the art style, it was all actual refinement of the universe.
Yeah the best progression system of all time in any game ever - for people who are satisfied with meaningless cosmetics.
@@VikingKong. they arent meaningless to most, it paves freedom of expression and personalisation which for for most is a mechanic that keeps people playing the game
@@VikingKong.buddy havin my OWN spartan be in campaign was cool af
Halo peaked with Halo 3. Everything since has been a shadow of the golden era
Dude, ODST and Reach kicked ass.
Halo 3 and ODST were the peak for me. But yeah right around that time.
No lie. One of the best gaming CZcams videos I’ve ever seen . The editing is hilarious . Great script as well
Seeing the sentiment on this game going from “it’s so over” to “we’re so fucking back” on release back to “it’s so fucking over” in the ensuing months was a roller coaster ride. 343 just can’t help themselves when it comes to dropping the ball
The fact that BF2042 launched broken af and still has more players than Halo Infinite goes to show how badly they dropped the ball.
Halo died with Reach. 343's Halo is not Halo.
@@FutaCatto2fr they made a cod game then a titan fall game and now they made fortnite and it didn’t go well for them so hopefully the next halo game is actually a halo game
@@zacvhhow is halo infinite fortnite my brother
@@xninewxw7559 they literally removed color selection to be able to resell them as skins like in fortnite they have the item shop and battle pass
I still can't believe how dirty Microsoft did my boy Joseph Staten. Shifting him onto the 343 team, just to be the bearer of so much bad news like a sacrificial lamb. Can hardly blame him for leaving Microsoft entirely.
Hey at least the public doesn't shit on him after all said and done
Well if it wasn't for him.. the game wouldn't have recovered in the last year..
His position in Halo infinite was always temporary from the start..
And now his job is done.. can go back to his old position in Microsoft studio
@@charlescabbage2933He's no longer with Microsoft, I think as far back as April.
@@512TheWolf512I think it was disgustingly obvious to everyone involved, from the people at 343 recording those videos to the people watching them, what was really going on and I don't think there's anybody out there that doesn't feel sorry for Joe having to put up with that bullshit.
It actually pisses me off seeing the fanboys constantly make excuses for this company and go on about how "they're just people too! 😢" when this is the company we're talking about. Fuck these people and fuck this disgusting, manipulative studio
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We just needed Pierre Hintze from the beginning on infinite. That man has turned MCC and Infinite 180 degrees and deserves a medal for leadership. He's a man I trust with halo in his hands.
Facts, he didnt care about diversity he wanted people like him, who cared about halo
"I dont personally agree we owe folks a detailed disertation" these words fueled my rage so bad you have no idea
It’s unreal how a company keep making the same mistake over and over for more than 10 years
When the company doesn’t realize they have made mistakes. It’s next to impossible to fix them
The irony of switching to unreal engine is simply unreal.
They don’t think they’re mistakes, that’s why they hold the fans in contempt
They want to keep their cushy jobs
When they have enough money to absorb the losses it doesn’t matter to them. Anybody who think the Microsoft merger is good in anyway for the consumer is dreaming.
Bethesda has been failing upwards since oblivion
The lesson to learn from Halo is this: A franchise is the sum of the people that made it great. If you replace the people, you're making a different game.
Especially if you replace the people MAKING THE GAME ENGINE every couple of months(contractors)
@@lorenzooliveira1157😂😂😂 couldn't have nailed it better
Also great proof that corporatizing artistic expression literally takes the soul out of it. The franchises life is a fantastic representation of what has happened to AAA gaming over the last 2 decades.
So, the same logic as the terminator or star wars films
It's the ship of Theseus paradox in effect.
The spirit of Halo has been dead for a while. Years in fact. It's gone, and probably never coming back in its full glory ever again.
Update: 343 has recently announced their plans to discontinue major update support for Infinite
O7, wish I could say it’s been a good run
I'm still in awe of the fact I cannot communicate with the enemy team, in any capacity. I can BARELY communicate with my own team.
But why would you want to have social features in an online game? What if someone says something offensive and hurts someone's feelings? Better to just have no communication at all. Its way better playing with complete strangers in dead silent lobbies
I'm willing to deal with a legion of squeakers screaming the n-word just for the chance to meet that one guy on the lobby you vibe with.
@zechariahpalie1435
It’s nothing to do with protecting people’s feelings and everything to do with protecting 343’s anti-consumer monetisation strategies.
If the game was at all social, people could help each other boost to complete the shitty challenges, and progress their shitty battlepass without having to buy their shitty challenge swaps or XP boosts.
Just like having to pay for individual colours, it’s another area where the game has taken a massive step back to support the shitty Free2Play model no one asked for.
@@zechariahpalie1435this is exactly why 343 is like this. its the PC snowflake mentality
Welcome to MODERN gaming
Lmao
Laughed through the entire video but legit felt like crying in the last 2 minutes. It really is a monumental tragedy with regards to what this franchise has become.
same.
It really isn’t that serious
It can't get much worse than this, this is rock bottom.
We have hope that Microsoft actually change shit up, get rid of their execs like Nelson who don't care enough to fire their literal friends, and use id Software to build the next Halo.
My buddy's and I had a blast playing ranked all weekend and doing custom games. Halo is in a better place now just boot it up and play.
The ending made me so fucking sad ::(
This was like watching a movie or documentary. I love it. I laughed so hard as someone who has been with halo since 3.
The biggest thing that blew my mind about Infinite was no in game reporting. I had to go to Halo Waypoint and provide footage of the person I was reporting for cheating. And they were oddly specific about the file size of the video. I was only able to provide them about a 12 second clip with my report, which in my opinion wasn't enough evidence to actually prove someone was cheating. After I got the report feedback a day or so later I was so disappointed in the system because I knew that it was so out of the way and time consuming that no one would ever report anyone and the cheaters would roam free.
This whole video was insanely well produced! Cheers! Here before XQC reuploads the whole thing while eating!
I’m fucking dyingggg 😭😭😭😭
@@fraughtmonster8 good perish
Personally im not a fan of tiktok brain editing
@@fraughtmonster8 If he's been able to keep his job for this long, then that means his audience retention somehow isn't.
Reaction channels should’ve been banned years ago
You honestly made 343 look better than they actually are lmao
Honestly, I don't have enough fingers to count on my hands how much dirty mischievous cunning tricks they've pulled since launch, horrible studio
@@ReachTeabruh not ass bad destiny 2 Bungie I'll be honest.
@@dinosaurbros8908my brother on Christ comparing shit to shit still makes it shit.
@@dinosaurbros8908 what the fuck did you just say?
I appreciate 343i, without the absolute disaster development of their halos I was able to break away finally from gaming. If they made good games I would still be playing daily lol.
All ab perspective. Absolutely great way to look at it
Preach friend! Had to get married and have kids after all that disappointment.
@@crimzn872 😂🤣
Best one liner in the game: "n o"
I watched every second of this 38 minute long video and the thing that stuck with me the most is that 343 actually added a BLM emblem into the game and called it 'Bonobo'. Incredible.
What does bonono mean;
@@stell2cycle764it's a species of chimpanzee
@@stell2cycle764it’s a monkey
the excuse they gave was that the software they use to name items in the game is called "Bonobo" and they forgot to name the BLM emblem so it was named Bonobo by default
@@stell2cycle764Bonobo is a type of ape.
Uncertain if you know, but calling a black person 'ape' or 'monkey' is seen as a slur.
I love when greed destroys a company from the inside. Halo Infinite is a master class in why investing in employees in the long-term is necessary to create something worthwhile.
It's the most expensive game of the franchise so why have contractors?
@@Thatwineblokeyeah, it’s wild. It really does go to show how far greed in the company went.
I honestly think that the gaming industry can get away with essentially whatever now due to the current popularity of games. Essentially almost regardless of the quality of the content put out, there will always be a demand for it. Sucks for the fans, but it seems to have become the norm.
@@aliciaserrano9698yeah, the thought the same crap a few decades ago too
@@aliciaserrano9698 The unfortunate reality is that consumers are stupid. The majority of the gaming market now tolerates it, they're the regular people who come home and play for maybe an hour or two a week or on the weekend with their squad, don't think critically about the game at all, don't really care either. Your average gamer now (the target demographic) are people who want cinematic experiences in their games, etc, etc. AAA transformed so drastically in the last 13 years and not for good: so many games are just movies, everything is becoming an open world snorefest, convoluted stories with terrible writing and too many cutscenes. The market is completely saturated with Action RPGS, FPS, and third person shooters, most of which play the same, and companies release the same games over and over with "remasters" and "remakes" within a span of a few years of the game coming out.
Companies like Bethesda realized they can release a game and regardless of what state it's released in, they can patch it to completion, people will give them shit tons of money, and any negative press will blow over pretty quickly. Look at Fallout 76: that game makes more in a month than what some new games make in their release week. The big companies have 0 incentive to change their behaviour because negative press doesn't hurt them and long term people will buy the games and then dive into the microtransaction shops and buy shit.
There's not a single person alive that can convince me this is a good game and to buy the next Halo. Good job 343
Before i get flamed, yes i bought the game day 1
man it's like 343's UI is their very own kryptonite that they built and installed themselves.
I feel like so many OG Halo fans have just given up and moved on at this point
Been playing since Halo CE, gave up after Halo 4. I still play Halo a lot but just the classic games on MCC. Literally beat the Halo 3 campaign again with a friend a couple of days ago. No matter how many times I beat those games, I always have A LOT of fun with them.
I gave up at halo 4, tried 5 and infinite but 343s halos are just shit. Love Bungies halos and still play them all the time on mcc
Confirmed, I bought the OG Halo release day. Now it is pure sh!t
no they have not and never will
Yup. Halo is dead after 5 and Infinite just peed on the corpse. A dull, incomplete, unexciting mess of a project. You know why half the game is free to play? Because it's not worth paying for!
343 should be renamed 404 because there's no good games to be found.
The mismanagement of this game is just jaw dropping. The core gameplay could have carried this game so far if they had been even marginally competent in other areas. It's a tragedy seeing Halo fall so far.
You can exclusively thank 343 for that.
@@zachrohler1047microsoft*
Microsoft can’t handle a basic game but we better have blind allegiance towards their AI and vaccines
Yeah the core gameplay is amazing it's the content and everything else that they fucked up....
This MIGHT seem unrelated but it seems Microsoft are pulling out this old playbook again for the new FORZA MOTORSPORT. If anyone has been following the PR around this game and its appearance at Gamescon this week, you'll notice some very curious similarities between Turn 10 and 343 Industries. Its annoying how benign Microsoft are a head company.
Im loving this video, and I hope you have more of them. Theyre so relatable to me. Im currently going through an incredibly disappointing experience with a company I have money invested in. So many disappointing zoom meetings and so many let downs. This video is really helping me feel better somehow hahaha
The editing in this is perfection lmfao😂
The fact that halo infinite was as well received as it was despite the massive problem of constantly rotating devs just shows how much wasted potential there is and how 343 could have actually made a great game if they could just hire devs as employees instead of being friggin penny pinchers!
Don't think 343 was making that decision. Microsoft is the issue
@@amcke09you act like they're two separate things
At the largest point 343 had around 750/800 developers. That's a massive team! It's not a question of labor, it's a question of incredibly poor leadership and management. When Microsoft...
*checks notes*
Decided to see where the f$çķ their money is going they fired the entire management team and cleared house of every senior developer they brought in.
343 mismanaged development so horribly they're scraping their 10 year project, probably closing the studio, and continuing development with another in house studio.
@@craftsmanceramics8653OP didn't say the problem was having too few devs. It's the constant rotation of them to avoid having to sign them on as proper employees. It doesn't matter how many devs you have when literally none of them have more than a year's worth of experience with your niche, one of a kind engine.
Wouldn’t matter, all you need to do is make a basic fucking halo game
343 just keeps trend chasing, the chased cod in halo 4, they chased the loot boxes and cod again in halo 5, and in infinite they tried to chase the spam of f2p games that have 0 content but ‘it’s ok cuz all dlc is free!’
So long as 343 keeps chasing trends they will fail, they will always fail.
how bonnie ross got that job is beyond me. You cant convince me she actually is a person who goes home after work and plays games. Wtf did she even do?
What's really interesting though, she is the reason halo kept kicking. Microsoft didn't even know what to do with halo when bungie left
☕️ ☕️
she gives pretty mid bj's
@@MysteryTmen, am i right, giving inexperienced people jobs they're not ready for
They followed a political agenda fueled by greed rather then actually picking the right person for the job. regarless of the sex, you should look at someones actual qualities, not what is between thier legs. It could have been another woman, but not Bonnie Ross, as you said, i doubt she even knows what teabagging is....
Yeah well, nice results lmao.
At least it's funny to see 343i and MS making weak excuses (mY Ui Has AuTisM) and desperately holding up the corpse of a dead franchise.
They are so in denial of the whole situation, it's like a family drama playing right before your very own eyes.
I am a life long Halo fan that will never touch Infinite.
Its amazing right now, being a newer halo fan im really enjoying it
@@okay7332SBMM ruins it man, I can get like.. 2 decent games and then I get shat on for 5 games, win 1 then back to shit on again.
Like I'm not claiming to be good but fuck man..
@@okay7332ofc your enjoying halo infinite your a new fan. Anyone who grew up on halo isn’t standing for that trash.
@@johnnycage6676Its not trash season 5 is amazing right now.
@@okay7332you don’t get it cause your a new halo fan lmao
Fully agree on customs, fileshare, disconnets/no rejoins, and theater being enormous losses
Comparing 343's management to Michael Scott is a huge insult...to Michael Scott.
You can never accuse Micheal of not being passionate enough
Genuinely
Michael Scott cared for his employees. Michael Scott delivered results.
this franchise was a cornerstone in my gaming journey of 30+ years..i missed the days of having a bunch of your friends over and play local 4v4 team slayer..wed bring over a case of beer, bbq and game all night
I used to participate in LAN parties during the Halo CE days, but I never expected that would be the pinnacle of Xbox multiplayer lol
Gaylo was always trash compared to Quake, CS, etc.
Yeah those days are over. Sad
@@JPNEETozakiare you seriously tryna have that discussion in 2023
Im a bit younger than that (22), but even me and my friends would always play halo 3 and halo reach LAN parties. Good times
They really had 3 attempts at making a halo game and messed up each time I guess that’s why they are called 3 for 3
37:05 - _Aaaaaaaand_ the battle royal mode has now been cancelled. Because of course it has.
"We'll promise 10 years of halo content!"
What they meant is that it will take 10 years to get a game with content
Deadass thought exactly that when he said it, damn
lol
I remember reaching the end of the campaign and thinking that I thought the game was just getting into act 2 not the finale lol
Mfw
Especially when you blast through the missions with tank gun
Yeah teasing about the endless something worse then the flood, then NO ENDLESS. BRUH. So stupid.
@@SgtBean Honestly them being touted as worse than the Flood was already a terrible decision.
@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson Yeah, honestly, that whole speech from the Endless Lady felt like amateur dialogue writing. I'm genuinely unconvinced anything's worse than the fecken Flood. Especially when you've watched so much HiddenXperia Flood lore videos like myself, lmao. For clarification though, I do mean video game lore-wise. If we're adding written lore, then I really don't think they're worse than Flood lol.
The laptop animation at 26:38 was really effective, nice one!
Dude, your videos are so entertaining to watch. Please keep making them like this and never change. Your professional tone in contrast with hella funny visuals is just amazing
Halo for me ended with Reach.
Facts!!! Atleast for the OG fans
A company that hires almost exclusively contractors instead of employees so they can skip giving them benefits is like parents that constantly remind their kids they're getting kicked out of the house at 18, and will do it even if they end up being disabled or anything similarly difficult.
They're both there just to use you and send you back into the social blender as soon as possible.
I never would’ve guessed that they were hiring short term contractors to build an entire AAA game because it’s so insanely stupid. There’s a reason other studios don’t do that, for the same reason you wouldn’t fire the guy that installed your first floor electrical in your new house and hired a complete random guy that had to be trained on the job for months to do the second floor.
It’s such a moronic strategy to save money that I feel I have become dumber just knowing about it 🤦🏽♂️
I'm sorry to say but this very much is the standard of modern AAA gaming companies - and is also why theres been such a drastic slump in quality
@@TheCyanWoolthe standard of any modern tech company really.
I am just thankful I was able to live through the Bungie days of Halo. The way Microsoft, 343 and the gaming industry is as a whole we will never get a Halo game like we had back then. Great story great multiplayer and great lore is a thing 343 just doesn't know how to do :(
We will dude, just not under 343. They'll get replaced. Only question is when.
@@drmigly yeah, pacience is the key
The way games are made now it will never be the same as those good old days. Back then a game was made at a set price, so developers wanted to make something fun that would stick with you. Now with micro transactions and game passes, developers are just making games designed to stretch our pockets. Unfortunately the gaming industry is pretty shit now, with the odd exceptions like baldurs gate.
Agreed. I’m happy with what we got to experience. I’m also happy I didn’t play this hot mess.
@@drmiglyid software would be perfect. Most devs who made Doon 2016 and doom external didn't even touch the older games but they looked at what made them great and made 2 amazing games. I think they can do the same with halo
It feels like now triple A studios have like 3 programmers on a game and a 1000 shitty artists making all the bad content for the battle passes.
At least 343 Industries has a fitting name. First people play Halo 3... then Halo 4... a-and then Halo 3 again.
As a game programmer I can safely say that the contract work model they had for their employees pretty much explains everything that's wrong with the game from a technical point of view. Why waste time on creating quality code if you wont work with it later or get rewarded for doing so. You might even be incentivized to do the opposite because it's ofter faster to just whip up something that looks good at first, but is a nightmare if you want to make any changes.
prob why the next devs who took over had no idea how to even build on the same engine lmao.. they just did whatever they wanted to, got the 18 month pay and said kiss my ass microsoft lol or something along those lines
@@erbzGood for those programmers, tbh. If you want talented employees, treat them like full time employees.... not contractors, lmao.
343 and Microsoft obviously have never heard of "You get what you pay for"
@@erbzGood for those programmers, tbh. If you want talented employees, treat them like full time employees.... not contractors, lmao.
343 and Microsoft obviously have never heard of "You get what you pay for"
@@erbzit's so much harder working on a half made project with no info than starting a new project from scratch. They should have just treated the existing code as a resource library, use any working parts, and otherwise rewrite the rest.
Yup, just make the spaghetti code work, and the next guy has to deal with it. 😂
I think people need to give 343 more credit tbh.
It's not everyday you get a studio so bad that they take one of the biggest gaming franchises in the industry and butcher it so badly that even PALADINS has more concurrent players than it
The best punishment would be to give everyone there their own dedicated Kiwi Farms threads.
You almost got me in the first half ngl
*Certified 343 moment
paladins is fun tho
@@Tuxedo512it's also mismanaged to hell and back
That Stanley eyeroll at 2:55 is EXACTLY how I felt seeing that.
I can't imagine the effort of getting all these clips, overlaying them and editing them all together. Mad props as it makes the video very entertaining to watch, on top of the already good content! 😊
Thank you for putting Bonnie in the clip where they announced split screen was cancelled. Joe Staten was told to fix a project well after it was a lost cause. They just wanted him to be the one to deliver bad news to mitigate the PR disaster. Bonnie Ross is the ultimate reason we never got split screen. She was in charge of 343 from Day 1.
"Good riddance" was an understatement the day we learned she was out
Isn’t it odd every latest destruction of a series is headed by a female
@@dragonsdynamite6403 Uh... that's not even slightly true. Can you please crawl back into whatever hole you came out of?
Sexism doesn't make you some badass edgelord.
@@BronzeAgePepper I just can't believe it took this long. EVERY single Halo game had a botched development and launch under her leadership. I'm convinced she must have fucked Phil Spencer or something to get to where she was and was threatening him with blackmail over it not to fire her.
@@dragonsdynamite6403don’t be like that. An entire gender is not to be judged upon the diversity-blind mistakes of huge corporations. There are many hardworking, intelligent, and creative female game devs in the industry that we just don’t hear about. It is an example of selection bias that we pay most attention to the leadership of failing ventures, and put extra scrutiny on such female leadership due to their novelty. Please befriend some women and have an open mind to their perspectives.
36:33 Fun story about that bug resetting user settings. It's been a bug since launch and apparently it affects only specific accounts because of how they are named. It affected me, so every time I booted up the game I had to adjust everything from graphics to sound just to get a working game. The fact that this hasn't been fixed yet is one of the most baffling things I've ever experienced in a supposedly triple-A game. It is pathetically sad and funny at the same time that I can't decide which.
More sad then funny at this point I’d say
I Thought it was because I would go between PC and Xbox so it couldn’t pick from just one. This is actually so much dumber.
this lets them sell 10 dollar name changes on xbox to alter your username for your xbox account....so...its actually brilliant
It's a true horror story what has happened to the Halo franchise since the days of Reach and ODST.
3 years later, already dead.
If this was any other studio in the world (and not bankrolled by Microsoft) they would be BURIED, literally BURIED, in debt. Excellent video.
343 deserved 100% of the axe instead of just 50% of it.
Yes, can't believe how they let the studio survive.
They’ve deserved it since halo 4
Fire343
This is what Microsoft does with every product they have. They cut corners to save money whenever possible, even if it is to the detriment to their users.
Since this videos release, The halo battle royale has been cancelled and all seasons for infinite going forward have been cancelled as well.
It's Over.
Fr? Damn
Cancelling the battle royale was a good idea tbh. IF they are going to implement smthn like that it'd need to be its own ODST spinoff game or smthn. Also WTF are u serious are they actually cancelling all the seasons going forward?? So NO new content??
Greed has destroyed AAA gaming
imagine a world where game developers just make a feature complete game and release it to praise and good reviews because it's just a good game? yea. what a world that would be.
I wanna live in that world so bad.
elden ring
Baldur's gate 3 although the gameplay is not everyone's cup of tea.
Boo fucking hoo. God forbid a D&D game actuslly plays like d&d for once
Octopath traveler 2.
Halo infinite really does enforce the meaning of "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Ha! I was gonna say this; now I don't have to. That quote is SO pertinent in every element of life.
Except they've been the villain long enough to get a redemption arc.
Season 5 has *finally* pulled it all together, in the same fashion MCC was pulled from death
@@hashbrown777 naw man. It's still trash. They have a very long road to go still until they are anywhere near a redemption arc
That saying doesn’t make any sense. Mario is what - more than twice as old as Halo? Mario Odyssey is seen as the best 3d Mario by many. Not to mention tears of the kingdom et c.
4:30 - I basically hadn't been paying attention to Halo since first playing "Halo 4" despite it having been my favourite game series for a solid decade. But when they announced that Joseph Staten was on for Infinite that actually got my attention.
You're absolutely hilarious! Been laughing throughout the whole video! XDDDDDD
This generation of gamers will sadly never experience what it’s like to have a fully functioning game with everything there and little to no va whatsoever
Bro it’s almost unbelievable at how incompetent 343 is. I don’t even play halo and hearing how they cannot get a single thing right is frustratingly hilarious. Great Video, had me laughing the entire way through
so your opinion is invalid then?
@@andrewmcmahon4028You don't need to eat shit to know what it tastes like, 343 have been a laughing stock in the overall gaming industry since Halo 4.
Look man..
It was all bad leadership and corporate bullshit that really let this game down..
There were plenty of devs who were passionate to make the game great... Now we're finally getting what is needed..
Play halo
@@andrewmcmahon4028lmao salty fanboy found
Before the year ends I had to watch this again. Love the memes lmaooo are you going to make a version of the status of infinite now that it’s a bit better.