Deeper Look at Disc Brakes with Jude from Magura
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- čas přidán 25. 05. 2024
- We got to spend some time with Jude Monica, the Technical Lead at @MAGURAPassionPeople USA. We went pretty deep into disc brakes. How they work and how to keep them performing right. Jude is a wealth of knowledge and we're excited to share this with you.
To learn more about Magura visit: www.magura.com/en/Components
To learn more about Propel visit: propelbikes.com
TIMECODES:
00:00 Introduction
00:07 Introduction of Jude Monica
00:51 Introduction of Magura
03:21 Head Dissipation Explained 06:24 Rotor Noise
06:42 New EBike Specific Rotors
10:37 Ideal Brake Lever Position
13:50 Quad Piston vs. Dual Piston
15:25 New 220 Rotors
17:42 New Pad Compounds
22:03 Three Finger Lever Blade
24:10 Different Piston Models
24:24 Color Customization
26:22 Quick tips For People Buying Brakes
26:29 Correctly Breaking In Brakes
29:41 Things Not To Do
33:21 Wrap Up - Věda a technologie
Great presentation. This has been very educational for me as a new rider. I like the idea of customized brake levers. That seems important for riders of different hand sizes. Function is priority.
Give this man a raise! First sales rep who actually knows his shit!
No joke, Jude is the single most knowledgeable yet humble rep I've ever crossed paths with. Love @magurausa!
I love Magura. I am living in Germany, about 15 km away from Maguras HQ in Bad Urach.
That’s really cool!
No wonder Magura is born in Bad Urach. It’s super steep there😉
This has got to be the best presentation on brakes that Ive ever seen. Thanks Jude
Jude is the most knowledgeable person I know on this topic. Glad he took the time with us
this interview sold me on magura for life
I just ordered a front MT5e brake system from Jude at Magura. He was very helpful in helping me find the right brakes, rotor and mounting adaptor. Also, due to my hand issues, they are customizing the length of the hydraulic line for me, which they don't normally do. Thanks to Jude and Matt for their efforts. Now, let's just hope it all fits on my Juiced Ripcurrent S. Should be here in a few weeks.
I'm a Magura customer for life. I've have martas, MT8s and currently the MT7 trail combo setup. Jude is also super awesome. (my moto also runs a magura clutch system)
I purchased 3 magura mt5e calipers two years ago and one was for spare...bleeding these buggers is not easy but when done correctly they are magic....for those wanting to share my knowledge.beware that Magura sell two different e bike blades...open or closed set up...check your
System prior purchase.I use Mt5 on the rear with a 160 rotor and twin pads and 180 rotor on the front but with 4 kevlar pads (like the mt7 configuration) on the front.The braking is awesome just like on my sons BMW motorbike.. prior to Magura I had Chinese..Taiwanese..Japanese brakes and nothing comes close...my only quibble are the bleed screws on the handles which are easily damaged...but with one on top and bottom and they eventually come out when you use the elastic band trick....otherwise great product.
First time I heard a Magura rep admit that the hc3 lever fits on all their brakes.
My bad b/c it "officially" does not and is designed only for the higher end option MC, the Carbotecture "SL" which includes, MT8, 7, 6, Trail SL, Trail Carbon, Raceline, Danny Macs, 1893 etc.
@@judemonica7951 "Officially" it doesn't. My wife is running MT5s with HC3 levers. They work great. Just as good as my MT7s. 😁👍
@@dukeofmtb so they do work on the mt5's? I wanted to put them on mine but couldn't find out if they fit. Did you have to do anything like modify something to get them to work?
@@oggoblin295 No mods needed. Maybe just a zip tie behind the rubber nut cover to keep it from moving since the back of the lever rubs it a little. You can see it here: instagram.com/p/B4IhFRnnuVO/?igshid=lan33uwyz72a
BTW, you don't need the spring from the stock lever either. It's a quick swap. You're gonna love the feel of the levers. Feels more solid than any brakes I've ever tried. The adjustability allows you to perfectly match the feel of both the front and rear too.
@@dukeofmtb Hey, thanks for getting back about my question. That's great news to hear. Thanks for the pics too. 👍
This man sure knows his stuff
It was a pleasure listening to him
Respect
This is the most detailed magura video i ever seen
Never thought I’d learn so much from just a discussion on brakes.
Good stuff....Running Magura on both my trail bikes. Best brakes I've had to date.
We’re big fans as well! :)
What a cool guy. There was a lot lot lot of good info in this post, and not just for magura but for brakes in general!
Jude is great and I’m really honored he took his time to share with us
Well done informative video. Sometimes people get caught up in power and speed and can forget how important brakes are. Magura makes great brakes and its nice to see them make specific brakes for ebikes.
Thanks! We totally agree
My brakes failed halfway down a 2.5 mile hill (average grade of about 12%, steeper in parts) due to overheating....used my shoes jammed against the rear tire to get to the bottom safely - had to buy new ones because of the deep grooves cut in them!
As I was new to disc brakes, I had NO idea that the fluids had to be changed regularly. 🤦🏼♂️
Been running 11 year old Magura Marta SLs and am upgrading this weekend to MT5 - can’t wait to try them out!
Jude really sounds like an expert when it comes to stopping.
Very informative! Thank you for sharing this information.
I ve recently installed the MT5 with 203mm F+R on my downhill bike, and i must say these are the best brakes i ever had
Awesome!!! They are pretty awesome!
I love Magura - the best cycling brakes IMO. I'm surprised the Magura guy didn't mention the separate brake pads in the quad piston design to further dissipate heat, which is different to other manufacturers. I love my neon yellow Magura MT7's :)
Those MT7s are 🔥 🔥 🔥
Good catch! There is ALWAYS a little more information isn't there??
Great coverage and learning!
Awesomely informative video. Thanks for posting this. I actually just placed an order last night for MT5e kit with 220mm rotor for my diy ebike. Can’t wait to try them out.
Awesome! Let us know how it works out.
Very informative, great interview - THANK YOU GUYS!
Thanks a lot for the informitive video. You guys were able to answer pretty much every question I had in under 35 minutes. Great job 👍
Great to hear!
That was super interesting. Would love to hear more stuff like this from the engineers about product design and why they made certain choices.
I learned a lot from watching this. The rep knows his stuff, obviously. I swapped to Magura brakes this season, did the proper break in routine and I am very impressed by how well they feel in use. Never a noise, always predictable and a lot of stopping power. Only thing is my back brake lever has a small "dead zone" one the first pull. Second pull and it's fine. Probably something gone wrong during installation.
Search here for the Magura bleeding trick that uses a simple plastic syringe, that process should get your brake working 100%
Wow, I learned a lot! Thanks PEB!!
Absolutely fantastic video. I learned a lot, thanks
Glad you enjoyed it! Jude really knows his stuff!
Absolutely superb crash course. Thanks v much. How about one comparing Rohloff vs Pinion gear systems.... or with a rep from Schwalbe on the differences of rubber compounds and grip profiles ??? Please don’t stop these informative videos, much appreciated.
Thanks Ted! I'm glad that you are enjoying them. I will add these to the potential lists. We don't do much with Pinion, but I do have video coming soon talking about drivetrains. I'll try to get more of these detailed videos at Sea Otter this spring and Eurobike in the fall. Keep the requests coming and stay tuned.
My Haibike is in the shop getting a new chain and brake pads this weekend.....great vid,that Magura salesman should get a raise,very informative.
Thank Niall! I'm glad you enjoyed it. New chain and pads means you have been riding which is great to hear :)
He already earns 200k usd/year.
+Niall thanks! Sorry for the delayed response, but I agree! Jude is awesome!
Honestly this was a awesome video 👍 so much great info.
Very informative, keep up the good work. Nice greetings from Austria 🇦🇹!
Hey Helge! Glad you enjoyed! I look forward to visiting Australia eventually!
@@Propelbikes looks like autocorrect has failed you lol
Ian Barcellos it sure has. Either that or my dyslexia. Sorry Helge.
Propel Electric Bikes Nevermind 😉
I don’t normally comment. This vid was excellent, great work getting all the juicy details!
Very nice and informative video!
Jude did a great job explaining things. I've worked with disc brakes for years and still learned. Glad to hear which pads to consider ("S"). We are rolling up on 2,000 miles on our R+M with MT4's and it's time to check our pad wear. I usually look to replace pads when they get down to 1mm of pad. Is that still what would be recommended?
The recommendation is usually around 25% which is around 1 or 1.5mm usually. I think it also depends on how hard you ride. If you ride harder you might want to change before you have too little pad life left.
@@Propelbikes I see Magura lists the 7.P, 7.R and 7.C pads for our Magura MT4's. (The video mentions "S" pads?) It appears we would want "7.C" for quiet, comfort and durability riding around town - would that be correct?
As long as you’re not bombing down hills too frequently these should be great. They might wear faster but they’ll be quiet.
@@ferryengr "S" in another step toward longevity and silence beyond "C."
Great details. Thanks
That was awesome THANK YOU.
Fantastic heads up guys on the magura options 😁👌♥️🇬🇧
That was so informative thank you
ive a rad power bike,so im gonna have to see if they work on my bike,red higo connector but i have to see if closed or open system,thank you for the video
Great technical video!
Thanks! Jude is awesome!
Great video!! 🤘🤘
So if I chamfer the brake disc holes the pads will last longer?
Got it. Thanks! 👍
NICE VIDEO!
Outstanding. Well done.
loved this i learnt some things and some myths busted awesome great presentation from new zealand i hope to fit some magura mt5s to my reign e+ 0 at later stage
Thanks for the cool video! I have MT5 brakes, and I know the Magura 8.P pads (4 individual pads per caliper) and 9.P pads (pads joined in pairs) both fit - does anyone know the advantage of the 8.P pads that have the 4 individual pieces?
I’ve got mt 5 absolutely love them
Glad I stopped by.
We are too :)
Wow!
Those are a lot of cooool informations 🙏🏼
Lot of very good info!
Treating myself to the HAIBIKE XDURO AllTrail 5.0 2020
Which in turn led me to this video as there is alot of magura components in the specs
Looks like I'm in for a real treat collect in 2 days cant wait I tell ya ❤👌🏻
Perfect job, greetings!
Thank you 🙏
I know many people mentioned but I’d like to repeat again. This guy is the best representative I’ve seen. Not a b*llsh*t at all, pure technical information.
29:10 "... heat cycle it ... without overheating it." Great informative questions Chris & great answers.
Thanks! I’m just grateful to be able to interview this intelligent man. Jude really knows brakes!
I know this was 3 years ago, but great video and still germane to present day!
Were can I buy those angled Banjo please because can't find/see them listed on magura sites
I always wanted Magura brakes since I saw those hydraulic rim brakes on trials bikes back when I was at school. Never actually got them though. Maybe on my next Riese & Muller when I eventually replace it.
They are pretty great. Shimano does a great job as well!
@@Propelbikes Best might be Shigura: Shimano lever with Magura caliper, which I’m setting up right now on a friend’s bike.
I would love to try a set of magura.I have a set of hybrid brake system for my mtb.They are both cable and hydraulic.They are pull by cable and the caliper is hydraulic filled.
Good crash course on disc brakes Chris. My R & M (equipped with Magura disk brakes), suffered from front brake chatter (screeching). Nothing Goofs up a great ride on your R & M until your squeaky brakes turns it into a HUFFY. Sam at Fullerton E-Bikes applied an aerosol "anti-squeal" which took care of the problem. Any thoughts you would like to add on noisy disk brakes?
First point is making sure your caliper is perfectly aligned. From there making sure the disc isn’t bent. Outside of that uneven pads or contaminated pads can make noise. We usually sand the pads down and clean the rotor with alcohol. This usually does it, but sometimes the anti-squeal can help if those measures don’t fix the issue.
Good stuff 👍👍💯
Thanks 😊
+Racer X thanks!
Just to follow up on what I wrote below.... Due to this video and Jude's help, I purchased a Magura brake system for my bike. The Magura MT5e and MDR-C rotor installation went very well on the front of my 2018 Juiced Ripcurrent S fat eBike. Due to bad weather, I haven't ridden the bike yet but expect to next week sometime. I currently have my ebike in a Park Tool stand, and from what I can tell from hand-spinning the tire, the Magura is quite amazing. I am looking into accessories and pads and I'm trying to understand the 4 types of Magura brake pads that appear to come in 2 styles; individual and connected pads. Not sure how to choose between the two or what the compounds are, but I believe I want the 8.S pads for an ebike. They do not make this very easy to understand. Also, Magura sells some colored bling rings to spruce up the look of the caliper, but for $38. I will find an alternative (like yellow garden hose washers). Can't wait to ride the bike.
You can also paint the rings that came with the brake
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 Excellent Idea!
JUST A QUICK UPDATE; After a broken season of riding due to the pandemic and an old back injury, I have about 500 miles on the Magura MT5e front brake. It's everything I had hoped in a confidence-inspirig front brake. I only have 500+- miles, so my verdict isn't fully developed yet, but since there's no other 4 piston front brake systems out there for my bike, all I can say is it's truly superior to the dual pistin Star Union front brake the bike came with in every way. The Magura is NOT overkill. It's what a fat ebike should come with, but to keep the price down, you typically get Star Unions or the cheap Tektros. The Magura and the 2mm thick MDR-C 180mm Magura rotor are a complete win!
Hey Jude! You mention how with cars you really can’t adjust brakes “on the fly”. Well, in recent years a thing has emerged in the auto industry called “adaptive brake control (abc) which essentially calculates how a drives uses his brakes and adjusts them automatically for optimum efficiency. I’ve noticed bike brake technology moving more towards techy things like ABS. How long to you think it will be before we see adaptive brake control on bikes? Possibly a small centralized computer module for things such as this as well as analytics, where you can download the gathered analytics of a ride from a removable chip, impit it directly into a computer or your phone and recalibrate your bike. Then I set the chip back into the onboard computer module and essentially have a fully customized ride, from brakes, shocks, transmission, even tire pressure? Very interesting stuff!
where i can find the adaptor to changue the angle of the cable? they show on the minute 25:17 in the video??
Great informative video! My Haibike Full 7.0 front disk squeaks when when walking the bike...cant hear it when riding. Any ideas? Bike only has a few hundred miles on it.
Either the caliper needs to be realigned or the rotor could be bent. These are usually pretty easy fixes. I hope to make a video on this eventually, but you should be able to find one easily if you search for those topics.
Alway gone for hope brakes but I'm thinking of trying some maguras out
What is the part# shown at 25.15 min? That angled brake line piece? Where can I order those?
Great I fomative videos
i ride with my index finger on the brake lever so i position it for that
Love the Voodoo Zocalo in the background, i have M7s on it...Daryl must have supplied the bike, he built mine?
Oh and BTW, make the levers with the hall sensor instead of a plain NO/NC contact. It will perfectly work with the most of e-bikes and e-scooters modulating the e-brake ( recuperation ) force
Jude Monica is the best!
Love my MT5 with HC1 levers! Never mind to change it.
do you have magura rotors ?
@@robertwalker841 Yes I do. MDR-C 203 and 180
How does the weight of an ebike differ from the weight of the rider in regards to brake performance? I'm 235 on a 30 pound mountain bike. What if I was 225 on a 40 pound ebike? Still stopping 265. You mentioned ebikes get to speed faster and higher than traditional...thanks.
Jude Monica is awesome...nuff said!
❤️
Hi i have NAMI E BURN scooter the disc is 160mm can i use magura mt5 with 4 piston for this size of disc???
Is there a direct contact to magura in the USA ?
Anyone know where I can get the 40 degree hose connector?
Jude, if you see this post can you please clarify the differences between the MT5e and the MT5eStop? It is not appearent from looking at the Magura site and other bike owners are asking me. All I can see from your site is a different lever offering and the MT5e has the normally open safety switch whereas the eStop does not. Please clarify if you will.
I believe the main difference is different pads and rotors with a slightly different design accent.
@@Propelbikes Actually, I think I figured it out. The MT5e has a motor cut off switch and the eStop doesn't. This is aside from the things you mentioned.
Thanks for your reply
We have two Cannondale e-Bikes with Magura disc brakes. They wake the hole city, when its raining and we are brakeing. I am so old that I can remember ordinary cars got disc brakes, and they also had problems with squiking and vibrations. My quistion is - Why have you not contacted the automobil industrie to get their experiences.
I have the MT Trail sport. But i have the 4 piston in the front. Is that wrong?
What about this combination : mt7 calipers with mt5 levers?
I’m using the MT Trail for about 2 years now, and I have no complaints.
I even convinced people to buy maguras, that were using shimanos or SRAM.
By the way, I’m trying to use Bionol this week.
That should deal with the boiling temperature.
Really great! Keep us posted how the Bionol works out. I’m not too familiar with it.
I had sram codes and i couldn't stop, just got maguras and they're so much better it's not even funny
What show was this at?
Hello friends, help please, I am looking for the MT8 RACELINE SPECIAL EDITION where can I buy? Thank you
magura-usa.shop.com
Slick roads in summer caused by a thin layer of rubber aswell as oil when the first rain comes it settles on top
Great point!
What camera/lens do you use to shoot this?
This was shot on the Canon EOS R with the RF 35MM 1.8 on a Ronin SC gimbal
I just ordered a set of Trail SL brakes. They are back ordered till the end of the month (hopefully), I was told my Shimano rotors would work, how much of a sacrifice am I making by not upgrading my rotors as well?
I think its the 2mm rotor width that is important. Gonna order a set of maguras when i can. All my rotors are 1.8mm
Sold!
I'm getting mt8s in new year can't wait
Top bloke, just got a set of mt5, was gutted they never fitted my diverge with an adapter, had to go for mt4 :/
Magura only makes the hydraulic brake system? No mechanical?
Very difficult to bed in the brake pads but when they are oh yes ..Power!!!
Can u really put Magura HC3 or a MT7 HC1 Lever on a MT5 Brake? I really like the tool free reach adjust on the MT7 lever. Some say u can do it, some say other
Any new information about those different levers fitting the mt5's?
@@oggoblin295 they fit but they don't work the same when you adjust it
One thing that I found strange is the fact that they have released the E-Stop brakes aimed at E-bikes and or E-Vehicles but the brake levers do not have a ball end tips, this is a legal requirement for two wheeled vehicles as I understand, so I wonder why they did this, the MT5E's use a ball tips at the end of each brake lever.... if you are wondering the ball tip stops the lever digging into the ground in the event of a crash so its a safety requirement/feature.
Only necessary for "licensed" (license plated) and permitted vehicles.
@@judemonica7951 Correct, but why not include this as standard this is a progression from the mt5e, but without this feature manufactures and end users who wish to register they bikes or cargo vehicles as mopeds or s-pedelcs won't be able to do so.
@@frederickoparah1669 Understood. So its probably a pricing and margin choice by the OEM. Reasoning being if it isn't required "by law" then it can be an option and it is.
Why is that required?
I think the ball stops the lever penetrating parts of your body in a crash. This is a D.O.T requirement, which is the European standard for anything that goes on the road and probably not a requirement in other parts of the world ?. The E-Bike lever is probably much longer and therefore requires the ball.
Wish i had the money for a pair of mt5 or mt7 brakes, but my sram guide t are still working good.
SRAM makes great brakes as well :)
Did he just say HC3 Levers are compatible with all Magura brakesets? So it's good with MT5s?
can these be fitted on a .....reg beach cruiser .....with no gear's single speed only ????????
Yes if the frame and wheels have previsions for them.
@@judemonica7951 ok thanks again two thumps up
Love the magura's. :) But hate the incredible slow auto focus on that lens.... :P
Then you don’t have big issues.
So my question is what about grazing a tree going downhill will that break the handle or the master cylinder?????? Ive seen alot of people complaining about that when they crash since its plastic
I wish they worked. Everyone I know has endless problems bleeding and getting any power from them. It take about $400 in labor to get a pair to work for a little bit. It seems like you have to sit a pray or something. And I’ve installed 100’s of SRAM/ Shimano brakes without any issues. The old HS33 do work though.