Why Suspension Seatposts Are The ULTIMATE Comfort Upgrade!
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- Here is my completely over-the-top resource outlining the best suspension seatposts.
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BEST Spring Suspension Seatposts (affiliate links send me a small commission for my work):
- Kinekt Spring Post - 25.4, 27.2, 30.9, 31.6mm - amzn.to/3xIRJWj
- Kinekt Carbon Lightweight Post - 27.2mm - amzn.to/3eb5PrH
- Redshift Shockstop - 27.2mm (shims available) - amzn.to/3tkl5qp
- By.schulz G.2 - amzn.to/3tthIgX
- Cheap SR Suntour NCX - 27.2mm - amzn.to/33rkcC1
- Cheap SR Suntour NCX - 30.9mm - amzn.to/3uvWi45
- Cheap SR Suntour NCX - 31.6mm - amzn.to/3b8RTwj
BEST Elastomer Suspension Seatposts (affiliate links send me a small commission for my work):
- Cane Creek 50mm Thudbuster - 27.2mm - amzn.to/3nXvMOE
- Cane Creek 50mm Thudbuster - 30.9mm - amzn.to/3nZY6A6
- Cane Creek 50mm Thudbuster - 31.6mm - amzn.to/2Q6kHi0
- Cane Creek 90mm Travel - 27.2mm - amzn.to/3xToDDI
- Cane Creek 90mm Travel - 30.9mm - amzn.to/3xQD3Vf
- Cane Creek 90mm Travel - 31.6mm - amzn.to/3exa7Km
- Cane Creek 20mm eeSilk (what I currently use) -
BEST Dropper Suspension Seatpost (affiliate links send me a small commission for my work):
PNW Coast - 30.9, 31.6mm - amzn.to/3vF0uPe
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GravelBikes' field vibration tests: gravelbikes.cc/category/tests
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0:00 - Intro
0:49 - 6 Reasons To Use Suspension Seatposts
2:30 - 4 Reasons To NOT Use Suspension Seatposts
3:14 - Damping & Deflection
3:57 - Dangers of High Vibration Exposure
4:53 - The Three Different Seatpost Damping Systems
6:29 - The Two Different Seatpost Designs
7:17 - Seatpost Field Testing Data
8:21 - How To Choose The Suspension Travel
9:07 - Best Spring Seatposts
11:09 - Best Elastomer Seatposts
11:51 - Best Dropper Suspension Seatposts
12:38 - Summary - Věda a technologie
Suspension seatposts are the bee's knees! 🐝The duck's nuts! 🦆The cat's pyjamas! 🐈 The dog's bollocks! 🐕The fox' socks! 🦊
Ok, I'll stop...
@@solitaryrefinement6787 Let them ride in discomfort! 😅
What about suspension saddles? Brooks b67? Flyer?
Please, go on....
@@Cyclingabout I'm a firm believer in ultraRIGHT over ultralight personally. While I ride a 15lb wonder bike that I could easily take down to 14, why? At 15, she's my definition of bombproof and she won't be breaking parts on the road.
In the end, a 14lb bike that isn't reliable is a 14lb anchor when you have to toss it in the back of a car to get a ride home. And for my steel bike? 18lbs is damn good. While I immediately began to weenieize it, I stopped myself. Honestly, for how I ride, I can't really discern it from my 16lb aluminum bike or my 15lb carbon bike.
After a while, like Tom Cruise in "Risky Business", sometimes, you just gotta say, "What the..." and forget the numbers and just enjoy a perfectly functioning, shifting, rolling bike for what it is.
@@solitaryrefinement6787 average 750 grams
I can only imagine the amount of work you spend gathering the information and then make a video that's summarize it all. Really impressive!
Many thanks! This one has been a huge project - testing multiple posts, thinking about the physics, finding the data, weighing up the pros and cons. 👍🏻
Why not include a major bike mfr TREK, they specifically developed shock absorbing seat post....?
yep ... what he said ... ditto!
@@Cyclonut96 You mean like isospeed?
That reaearch must have take all of 5 nano seconds ! Seatpost suspension is a road to back, hip and knee pain !
Thanks for the elaborate & independent research. You've put in considerable work indeed.
When I was deciding on the set-up of my touring bike I referenced a lot of your online material that is quite frankly head and shoulders above anything else out there. This channel is similarly outstanding. The information is well presented, relevant, and in-depth. A great job guys.
Thanks so much. I always strive to create the best info out there, so it's nice to hear you like it!
@@Cyclingabout Your content is exceptional. Well done lad.
@@Cyclingabout They way you get right to the point, no nonsense, is great. Your analysis of the mechanics makes me think you have a masters in ME or CivE. Just very well done.
Of the great number of bicycle touring guys on here, this guy is truly worth watching and deserves support. I found most others to be more of useless content fillers and scammers. Their videos offer nothing.
There is even a guy that all he does is this:
-cycle to a mountain
-walk up the mountain
-walk down
-cycle back to a van
-cook a chicken
-unashamedly thank supporters for keeping him out of the factory.
Thanks for the support!
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The one and only Foresty Forest.
this is perfect bicycle channel for me on youtube, not about the newest and most expensive bikes or the lighest. just practice information and comprassion by experienced man for people who want to "eat kilometers" . subscribed after 1 video! good content and execution
Thanks for the kind words!
A superb video. I suffer acute chronic pain after my back was broken four years ago (it has since been fused twice). Suspension seat posts are the difference between my riding or never riding again (even after optimising wheels, tyres, pressures, saddle, handlebars etc). Your video helped me enormously. Thank you.
What about rear suspension?
What suspension seat post do you use?
Superb video, very informative! I've been using suspension seatposts for the last 20 years, mainly the telescopic variety from USE and currently have one on my road bike and one on my hardtail MTB. Definitely going to give one of the linkage / spring versions a go soon based on your recommendations! Thank you 😊
Wow! What an impressive, well researched, organized, produced, and informative video! Well done sir.
Thank you kindly!
Thank you for introducing me to this! I never knew this was even a thing!
I just saw this and remembered I made one of these as a kid back in the 70s. It was a car engine valve spring , and one tube that fitted inside another. A role pin went through both to stop it rotating. really simple and made riding very smooth off rd or along a bumpy footpath. Cost me nothing to make.
I trully think the suspension seatpost market is clearly gaining momentum right now as this segment is being picked up a lot by people in the last years.I myself have been wanting to get me a spring/air/elastometer suspension seatpost for my street training adapted dirt jumper, didn't knew much yet until I get to watch this video which revealed itself to be full with useful information on the several suspension seatpost systems in the market right now.Thanks for sharing the video and all the info in it, best regards from a Portuguese🇵🇹downhiller to you uploader 🙂👍🏻.
A stem suspension and Long travel 50mm suspension post has kept me riding, after 45 years on bicycles I’m still to see a new idea that hasn’t been done. Good review by the way.
i have it for like 10 years on my bike. it is'nt very new. but love it on my hard tail.
It's cuz it soaks up a lot of energy that would otherwise be transferred into your pedaling.
This is a super impressive video. Thank you so much for compiling all of this information - very, very informative.
I really like how you you divided the video into sections because I revisited it to look at the different types and that made it a lot easier to find exactly what I wanted to know again
Great to hear the timestamps helped!
You are a blessing to the true cyclists out there... You videos are down to earth and realistic. Many cycling channels are nothing but Teleshopping Network of Cycling. They compare very very expensive component with very very very expensive one and recommend why you should go for a very very very expensive product. If you don't then you are not a cyclist.
Keep up the good work.
Hands down, you make the best biking information videos online.
Aloha from Hawaii, and thank you!
Wow! What a comprehensive presentation.
Yesterday I've started thinking that probably you stopped preparing videos for youtube but as we can see - I was wrong. Good stuff
Lots more videos to come!
@@Cyclingabout would you recommend the eeSilk for bikepacking trip around the world or does it require a lot of maintenance over time?
Highly recommended! I only apply a little lube to mine every six months or so.
@@Cyclingabout ok, so maintenance frequency same as for Brooks saddle. Nice. Thank you, I needed this information :)
Thanks for the effort to research and publish this valuable information. I had already gotten a suspension seatpost for my Ti frame road/touring bike. Your results show that I made the correct choice for the type of riding I do the most. Thanks.
Found your channel a couple days ago. Your Videos are so well thought out and informative. Seeing that you bike a lot and everywhere, it's also easy to trust you. Thanks!
Seat choice also has a huge influence on the amount of suspension you have. My Fizik Arione wing flex, flexes beautifully. The combination of saddle, post, frame, wheel and tire flex combine to create the Shangri-la of rider butt bliss.
I don't know if all split saddles are like mine but the Serfas RX flexes really nicely. Bought it for a hardtail mtb and it has a decent amount of travel. I would check out all split saddles because i assume most will flex a bunch. the middle plastic allows a ton of movement on mine anyway
@@0xsergy Ive gone noseless, and despite the loss of control and the breaking in period, I can't ever look back.
Solid research and good video documentation. Thanks for making a web page as well. My sound was out and it helped me make my purchasing decision. SOLD
Great to hear!
One of the best and most concise group review format videos. Thanks
Riding on suspension seatpost for three years. It is a game changer for me!
Thank you so very much for explaining the different seat post.
I have a RockShox Reverb dropper post on my full-suspension mountain bike. After a couple years of use, I noticed that when fully extended, it was no longer totally locked in position - it would bob a bit when I put my weight on it. The guy at the bike shop said it always happens to the Reverb and can't be economically repaired. So, I raised my seat post by a centimeter, so that the seat height is still correct when I'm sitting on it. And now I have an amazing suspension-slash-dropper seat post all in one. I just hope it doesn't deteriorate further because it is now perfect.
Great work on this. Super clear, thorough and detailed. Thanks for posting.
You are scientist of cycling/bikepacking world. You prevent me from going blind by examining 200 different sources for 10 hours in order to get answers to the questions I'm curious about. Nearly an article.
Great info here for sure. One consideration for fat bikes if i may. I like a suspension seat post on my fat bike. When you pedal you can get an ever magnifying bounce in the tires at lower pressures. If you activate some flex in the suspension seat post, it seems to change the wavelength between oscillations, and cancels out the tire bob.
One other issue with fat bikes is that many of us ride these on snowy trails where people hike, and these are always bumpy. Lowering the air pressure to 3-4 lbs works but is a drag when going back on hard surfaces. So you can bring a mini electric pump or get one of these seatposts.
I am very happy with my Cane Creek Thudbuster(elastomer) for city, trail, and gravel use. Riding concrete trails the gap bumps were so annoying before. Made a huge difference for me.
In the video he said spring damped would be for slow and off road and for rougher road surfaces. And the elastomer for smoother roads and suspension bob. What made you choose the elastomer cane creek? What bike do you have? I'm indecisive, I have a giant cypress hybrid bike and ride rough asphalt city roads and bumpy bike trails with lots of bumps, incline and decline, and gravel. Main rides to work daily are 15 min. Commutes, but summer riding is 2-3 hour rides
@@tylerfields2368 When I bought it, I went for best result for the money. Cane Creek even shipped me new screws with barrels, as mine bent with time. Probably a bad batch, because the replacements show no sign of weakness.
Basically I wanted the least travel and to knock off the spike of the motion. No back complaints after the seat post change. The bike in question was a big box hybrid, just front suspension fork, and nothing for the back, otherwise.
The real question is do you want more movement that changes the distance from the pedal to the seat, or do you want something that takes the hard edge off of riding?
@@lightdark00 something that takes the hard edge off riding, while maintaining fast speeds. Also what type of saddle is compatible with this?
@@tylerfields2368 I don't see why any saddle would be incompatible. Of course the more free space under the saddle, the easier it is to put on.
As for speed, there's never been a time that the seat made me question it. Just to note, I do have the short travel version, which did put the joy back in cycling long distances and jumping curbs.
@@lightdark00 yeah I do long distance riding, 70 miles, average or more, when headed to beach 2-3 hour commutes. After a hour with my seatpost and saddle, even with bike shorts, I'm sore. I'm 5'10 and 185-191 lbs. / Bike is size medium/l. I hear the short travel is for shorter riders?
Def buying one, i never knew i needed one but this makes 1000% sense to cop one. Thanks for introducing in a friendly and informative way. Cheers
I recently acquired a straightforward spring-type suspension post, unbranded and quite worn where it slides. The extra comfort has been a revelation, especially on gravel roads. The downside is that it creaks with almost every turn of the pedals, even though the bike it came off was little used. Replacement needed. Thanks Alee for the excellent review of the market.
I am a big guy and have a Fat tire e-bike. I do a lot off-road and horse trail riding...front forks help immensely but it was the addition of a Cane Creek Thudbuster (elastomer-type) that made all the difference in ride comfort
thanks for the tip on the elastomer type Thudbuster.
would you mind sharing what fat tire e bike you have? ive been searching for days.. im a big guy 300lb
Fantastic review!
Could you please also do one for sprung seats? Especially, one comparing sprung seats with suspension seat posts? It'd be interesting to see what you get for the same weight or price penalty.
I tried to find a narrow spring saddle but couldn't. Are they produced at all?
@@oleg72333 I don't think I've ever seen a narrow seat that comes with springs. They are invariably either wide, very wide or ultra-wide (and weigh as much as some bike frames on their own).
@@Stelios.Posantzis that's why I made my own narrow spring seat out of 2 others for my hardtail. Very happy with it. Lightweight and good absorption
Well done 👍
One of the best invents that I've ever seen
Wow, thought I'd research this topic by watching many videos etc. and found this one does it all. Excellent review! Thanks
I bought the Suntour NCX yesterday for my 2021 Trek Powerfly 4. It doesn't bob, or bounce, but softens the jolts on rocky trails, down curbs, and occasional stairs. Money well spent, relative to the cost of the bike.
Great video, thank you. I’ve been eyeballing the canyon one for a while
At this point, I just want to hug you. Amazed by the quality of your videos!
Wow, thank you! I accept hugs as a form of reciprocity. 🤗
The spring loaded seatpost I use on my eFat with 5" tires makes for a very satisfying ride on gravel, trails and bumpy city paths.
I was thinking to myself that it would be great if someone made suspended dropper post as I wanted dropper but didn't want to resign from my suspension seat post. Here are 3 models. Very informative video
Thanks!! The best reviews/comparisons in the business.
I'm glad you think so! 😊
The best video on the internet explaining them all, much appreciated 👍
never thought I could need this, but this video was so impressive, that I'll check my bike shop - nice work
One thing you overlooked was the sprung seat. These have been around for over a hundred years and were common enough because roads were once a lot rougher than we expect today. When vinyl became available in the mid 60s those seats had multiple fore aft springing under the seat and two large rear springs. These were intended to do a similar job to a suspension seat post. It seems strange to use the suspension post with a light and scarcely padded seat.
I use such a seat plus a suspension post on my bike and its really comfortable even on really bumpy roads. It can just get really bouncy sometimes.
how much do these springed setups weigh?
Those seats weigh like 8x as much as scarcely padded seats.
@@philhunt1442 watch the video ,it says in there
@@estebanleacho9315 Oh, I thought the commenter was referring to the old school spring seats, not the modern spring based suspension seats which were included in the video
I'm a little surprised there isn't a spring suspension with a damper to control the rebound speed. In theory, that should give you the most control over the suspension's characteristics, since the spring and damper can both be adjusted.
Your channel is one of the most helpful, information dense resources I have turned to while building my first touring bike. Thank you, just bought a redshift suspension seatpost.
I'm really glad to hear! Many thanks.
What a great rundown about this subject. Good work sir.
Very well done video! Great info and even though you prefer the eesilk, we at Kinekt ( Cirrus Cycles), support and thank you for the overview of suspension! Thanks, Evan Wert
Very informative report.
But what about saving my wrists?In my opinion they are at least stressed as much as my butt.
This was amazing! I am going back to biking and want to build my own fixed gear bicycle. This helped me decide on a seat post. Thanks!
I have a heavy non-suspension e-cargo bike and thought I was doomed to absorb all heavy road bumps. This is so brilliant!!! Getting one
Nice video, thanks. Personally if I'm going to add the weight of a suspension post I prefer a combo dropper/suspension post like the PNW Coast Suspension dropper :-) You make a valid point on the angle of a shaft type suspension vs a "levered" type, but I only need it to work on the compression hits not so much on the small stuff - and it keeps my saddle height the same most of the time.
So glad to see another of your videos. No one does it as well as you. Thanks.
I've been riding with a cane creek LT for years now and love it.
Wow. What a concise and well put together video. Bravo.
Excellent information.
Would be amazing if big travel suspension posts had the ability to lock out through some sort of lever on the bar - when you go from rough terrain to a smooth road or vice versa. Or at least on the post itself
Sounds like you need a HaiBike, 5000 miles plus on my own. Lever adjustable rock shocks.
You might need to replay the video and stop more or less at the middle, there´s a mention to PNW Components, they have a product that is a suspension seatpost and a dropper post at the same time with the functionality you ask for
Good info! Taking care of your vertebrae makes a lot of sense! Thank you very much sir!
Your channel is amazing ! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us 🙏🏻
I love the old wide saddles with giant springs that those vintage women's bikes have.. Boi-oi-oi-iingg...
Yeah, what about them compared to the suspension seatposts?
Brooks Flyer FTW.
Jones LWB - already a super-comfortable bike, two improvements I can certainly recommend… 80mm redshift shockstop stem; and a Cane creek eesilk seatpost. Now that’s perfect.
Brilliant overview. Told me everything I wanted to know and I learnt a lot as well !
Seriously underrated channel.
Don't you mean OVERRATED give the misinformation provided
Great post. I have been considering one for my hardtail salsa
You should!
This video is as good as a documentary film. Thanks very much for this awesome work.
Totally agree with you. Bravo from Greece...
After coming off a weekend of gravel riding I'm thanking my Redshift seat post.
^^^^ +1 redshift
Never knew about such thing. Thank you, very useful video, I'd definitely add this to my city bicycle.
Amazing video! It's so well researched and presented. Thank you!
This channel is pure gold
I love how you science the sh*t out of these questions. ✌️😎
Every time I watch one of your videos, it's over far too soon. Great job.
Have a Cane Creek ST on my Troll...it's awesome.
Agreed! I have the same setup :)
Same. Agree, awesome.
starting a video with why you don't need what is shown in the video is just incredible for building trust, in-your-face honesty 👍
The best review I've seen on this. Great video.
I love a good suspension seatpost. The one I've found to be best is USE - Ultimate Sports Engineering - though I don't know if they still make them. I don't like the ones that just bounce but USE have effective damping so I never feel it. Ever. It just does its job. The efficiency improvement from being able to sit and spin more than makes up for any weight penalty.
Use is an innovative company in seat posts. For years I have been riding two USE Sumo Titan in 27.2, which weigh 200 grams. They flex away all the small bumps without changing the measure of the lenger or the pedals. In rough terrain I use a g2 by fault on my hardtails and an older Cane Creek Thudbuster LT that I think is even better
Great review. One consideration to take in to account would be the potential effect on the knees of the seat changing height when pedalling. I know from personal experience that if a seat post is even 3mm too low, my knees pain terribly to the extent that I can't cycle. Get the seat post height spot on and the problem immediately disappears. I can imagine that the sprung seat post changing height over bumps and under load of pedalling could potentially affect the knees.
The telescoping, pogo-stick style definitely tweaks the knees when compressing. The linkage style moves the saddle backwards as it moves down, moving the saddle in kind of an arc, rather than towards the bottom bracket, and it feels much easier on my knees.
I had no idea these things exist!
Thanks a lot. Definitely subbing 👍
OMG sooo much knowledge. You definitely know what your talking about. Definitely worth subscribing.
Great video, very informative. There's just one thing unanswered - how long do they last? For example, @cyclingabout is there a km limit for the Cane Creek after which you have to change the rubber insert? Are they good for a long-term/distance bike travel?
Bushings, I'm not sure. Hopefully it's all rebuildable. Service it every six months. I'd imagine when they get sloppy they'll drive you nuts. Telescope type, again keep it clean.
I've owned the Cane Creek seat post. It was great, very cushy, but I would do some bumpy MTB riding. After a few months, I had to replace the elastimer because I was always blowing them out.
Thanks! I was wondering just this☺
For 30$ i got a 50 year old urban bike with 3 spring suspension leather saddle. On a long trip even thou it weighs more than my collegues road bikes, i actually experienced less fatigue than them. They blew me away at first, but two hours later i caught up to them panting with sore as$ and backpain. Turns out comfort is more benefitial than aerodinamics or weight.
Thanks for all the research you did on this.
What. An. Amazing. Video!
All the info I need, understandable & concice as well as visualised. Awesome!
Great work and thank you for the lessons too. I ride my 115kgs in a trekking upright position on a Brooks Imperial Flyer saddle (springs+cutout). Have you had any experiences with that type of sprung saddle? If so, then would an elastomer post and rigid saddle be a similar comfort on road/gravel surfaces? Please stay safe.
I use the Kinekt spring post for years now on a Surly ecr 29+ , and in my view it also compensates for the bouncing of the big tyres to, and of cause absorbs vibrations. A bicycle to explore hidden corners in my country.
I also use them on an E-bike and on an other regular (travel) bike because of the comfort it gives.
So I have 3 in use. They are expensive but it's worth the money when it gives good riding comfort.
Nice review, I really enjoy reading your guide and this kind of technical explanations.
I'm retired now (63) and can enjoy bicycling full time now.
I live in the Netherlands, a champion in bicycle roads and luckily also enough off road possibility's.
All my bicycles need to have reasonable off road capability's.
The heavy lifting, traveling the world, that I leave to you.
Thanks for the good info. You answered all my questions which is unusual for an info video.
Great details and very informative, deeply appreciate ur work, keep it up brother, i can feel the hardwork u put in this video, love it, ❤️
Agreed, thanks for sharing this! I'm really happy with my Sr Suntour NCX so far. My diy commuter eBike does 40 mph, and paired with some slightly wider puncture resistant tires (40c) there's no need for heavy, expensive, bouncy frame suspension for gravel / road car replacement.
When you always wanted to be a truck driver but can only afford two wheels
Finally and excellent review on these seat posts thank you brother
Great instructional video, just about to try out my first shockstop seatpost
Curious as to the longevity of these while on tour. Do you find them to wear out and need replacement at some point? Have you found the need for any special maintenance while on long tours? If they break can they still be used as a seat until able to fix or replace? Thank you!
I've had a Suntour NCX on my commute bike for about 4 years. The most maintenance i have done to it in that time, is routine cleaning and oil. The spring mechanism is mechanically very simple and touch wood it has never let me down. The improvement in comfort cannot be understated. That said, I do not rack up thousands of miles every year and weight is not an issue for me. My commute is 40km return journey and over that time I've probably averaged twice a week on mostly sealed paths/roads. I'm 90kg and over 6ft and the NCX has performed flawlessly for me all this time. I guess it doesn't really answer your question on constant use over long periods, but periodic use over a really long time, it's been flawless. I imagine the one thing that might cause it to break is if you try to ride really big hits while seated. But if you do that, your butt won't like you any more than your seat post will.
What about just getting a saddle with springs?
I got one and it works really well.
Geez, what a great video. So professional and informative. The standard which all other review videos should be judged.
I took your advice and installed the Cane Creek 20mm eeSilk. I'm very impressed. Thanks for your videos and this recommendation.
Great to hear!
Thanks for the information captain bicycle.
Thanks for watching!
I know full suspension can help protect your rims, as when you hit a bump the bike can sort of move out of the way and not barrel your full human weight onto the rock all at once. Can a suspension seat post have the same effect? I imagine it'd be not as great of an effect, but still curious.
I think it should be much the same, since most of the mass is the rider's, which the force on the rims will still be cushioned from if the rider experiences a similar suspension effect. For a light rider on a heavy bike, it may be more of a difference, but even this might not be much. Suspension bikes are heavy, and the amount of mass of the frame bouncing is larger than for a rigid bike. But I'm no expert, just you ask an interesting question and nobody's replied in four months.
I think so..
Your channel puts GCN to shame!! Wow such informative content!!
Thanks! I think GCN appeals a bit more to beginners and is definitely more entertaining to watch too. My content is very, very niche and is perhaps better for the detail-oriented cyclists out there!
Again, thank you for sharing your knowledge.