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- Reaction Commentary to "The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 2" (2015) starring Jennifer Lawrence, Josh Hutcherson, Liam Hemsworth, Woody Harrelson, Stanley Tucci, Elizabeth Banks, Donald Sutherland, Sam Claflin, Jena Malone, Julianne Moore, Mahershala Ali, Jeffery Wright, and Philip Seymour Hoffman || based on the books by Suzanne Collins
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Itâs not that she thinks Gale was accidentally part of the delayed bomb that killed Prim, itâs that she KNOWS he was. You mustâve missed it, but thereâs a part earlier in the movie where Gale comes up with the design for a delayed explosion that draws more people in, thus also killing the people that try to help the injured. Katniss says something like âI guess thereâs no rules for what you can do to somebody in war.â Gale is garbage đïž
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I kept thinking that too and that I hate him.
But the more I rewatch this series, I see him as much as victim as the victors are. He lost family. He had to see his childhood friend in these games for four movies. He is seeing the effects that it has on her family as he is protecting him. District 12 is his district too and it got burned to the ground.
He has survivorâs guilt over not saving everyone in District 12 and the hospitals.
I discussed this with my mom and she said he was brainwashed by Coin, just not with tracker jacker venom. I agree. Coin used these half truths and their vulnerability to manipulate them to do her will just like Snow did.
I felt it was more subtle, but I felt even though he did make the bombs with the delay, he did not know how Coin was going to use them. I see films and hear stories that involve employees making something that can be abused behind their backs. Coin did not reveal herself or her plans to everyone. I think this includes Gale.
I realized I donât hate him. I hate what he did. There is a difference. But Katniss was right for kicking him out of her life.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388I have a lot of empathy for gale, he deserves the hate đ but heâs not just twirling a mustache I get where he is coming from he just has different priorities, and has a different trauma
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 I see your points and agree with many, but I think itâs a bit of a copout to say that even though he designed them, he didnât know that Coin was going to use them. He designed them for them to be used, wanting them to be used to the point that he defended the idea to Katniss. He only felt guilty when it killed someone he knew and hurt Katniss. If Prim hadnât died there, I donât think he wouldâve felt guilty at all, which is a problem in itself.
Yea, heâs a victim of trauma too, and thatâs tragic. I think he kind of serves as an example of trauma manifesting itself by continually perpetrating more trauma. Itâs like in Katnissâ speech in District 2, when she tells the guy: âWe blew up your mine, you burned my district to the ground⊠it just goes around and around.â And she mentions the same idea to Gale by saying with his kind of thinking, one can continue to destroy lives and do stuff like create the Hunger Games.
Right the movies doesnât do his character evolution justice. It also goes back to the love triangle the books, tell a much deeper story about the evolution of the love relationship between all of them. By the end of all this, Gail had changed so much that he wasnât even the same person that she Cared for before the first hunger games. And her love for Pita grew way past platonic in such a distinct way that I wish the movie could have shown. The books even go into their intimacy a little bit.
Suzanne Collins actually was asked about Primrose's death in an interview and that really opened my eyes a bit to the ending. the question was if she knew from the beginning that Primrose would still die in the end and Suzanne replied: "yes, of course. that's the whole point." just the randomness and unjustness of it all, that you can do everything to protect someone but war will still kill them. it's heartbreaking but i get why it was important for the story
Damn! Gotta respect the savagery!
Honestly, from a certain perspective, it makes sense: âshe was destined to dieâ sort of way
Canon event (Im so sorry)
although the whole âwe got together and had kidsâ epilogue is played out in a lot of series, i love that ending for katniss. early in the books she talks about how she never wants kids because she could never bring a child into the horrible world they live in. so the fact that she started a family with peeta shows how much the world has improved and how safe she feels now â€
That makes a lot of sense, I was the movie had made it more clear
thank you for speaking up
its so heartbreaking to see people like Melissa Barrera, Susan Sarandon and Michael Malarkey being punished for speaking up too
yet noah schnapp faces no consequences
Exactly!
horrible double standards! free palestine đ
Snow was so realistically despicable I can't help but love Donald Sutherland's portrayal because he played the f*** out of this character. As the capital and the system starts to crumble around him you can see his vulnerability but he's still smart and calculating enough to see when he got out played by Coin.
A great case of actor making us love an awful character
@@PinkPopcast I read that he agreed to play Snow because of the political and social message of the franchise, that he hoped the movies would encourage young people to vote.
the mutt isnât really a race allegory so much as it is about the mutations in the capital. the scary creatures were also âmuttsâ aka mutations made by the capital to make the games more interesting (like the dogs from the books). so when he says that, heâs calling her a creation from the capital, which he later calls himself a mutt because he was messed up by the capital by torture
thanks!!!
Yeah I was going to say this. Peeta is not commenting on race there.
Yes, "mutt" is a racist term in the real world, but in this universe it is used as a term for "monsters" created by the Capitol.
Fun fact: the kids in the epilogue part of the movie were i believe Jennifer's nephews. And the older one was very fond of Josh whenever they saw him, so they had the boys cameo as Katniss and Peeta's kids cause the repore was already there and the excitement was real.
Literally (and adorable) Nepo Babies đ
The problem with these movies is in order to sell the love triangle they upgraded Gale and downplayed Peeta. While the romance between Katniss and Peeta was a show they had to present it was actually real. However, you had a 17 year old who had big feelings she was having difficulty processing under a microscope being forced to be a distraction. At the end of Catching Fire Katniss says âI trusted him [Haymitch]. I put what was precious [Peeta] in Haymitch's hands and he has betrayed me.â
Gale was never an actual option in the book. He was friend zoned and portrayed as Katnissâ cousin so that her only friend being interviewed during the 74th Hunger Games wasnât a good looking male. They were not actually cousins.
Peeta had rooted in Katnissâ heart with the bread that saved her and she kept tabs on him. In fact she was upset he was reaped after she had volunteered. Katniss also references several times their eyes would meet at school only to flit away from each other. I would argue if Katniss was the spark then Peeta was the air that allowed it to catch fire.
There is no love triangle in the bookâŠit was always going to be Peeta. A lot of his stuff from the book was cut.
A sampling of Katniss thoughts on Peeta throughout the books:
***I reach out and take his hand.
âWell, he probably used up a lot of resources helping me knock you out,â I say mischievously.
âYeah, about that,â says Peeta, entwining his fingers in mine. âDonât try something like that again.â
âOr what?â I ask.
âOr . . . or . . .â He canât think of anything good. âJust give me a minute.â
âWhatâs the problem?â I say with a grin.
âThe problem is weâre both still alive. Which only reinforces the idea in your mind that you did the right thing,â says Peeta.
âI did do the right thing,â I say.
âNo! Just donât, Katniss!â His grip tightens, hurting my hand, and thereâs real anger in his voice. âDonât die for me. You wonât be doing me any favors. All right?â
Iâm startled by his intensity but recognize an excellent opportunity for getting food, so I try to keep up. âMaybe I did it for myself, Peeta, did you ever think of that? Maybe you arenât the only one who . . . who worries about . . . what it would be like if. . .â
I fumble. Iâm not as smooth with words as Peeta. And while I was talking, the idea of actually losing Peeta hit me again and I realized how much I donât want him to die. And itâs not about the sponsors. And itâs not about what will happen back home.
And itâs not just that I donât want to be alone. Itâs him. I do not want to lose the boy with the bread.
âIf what, Katniss?â he says softly.
I wish I could pull the shutters closed, blocking out this moment from the prying eyes of Panem. Even if it means losing food. Whatever Iâm feeling, itâs no oneâs business but mine.
âThatâs exactly the kind of topic Haymitch told me to steer clear of,â I say evasively, although Haymitch never said anything of the kind. In fact, heâs probably cursing me out right now for dropping the ball during such an emotionally charged moment. But Peeta somehow catches it.
âThen Iâll just have to fill in the blanks myself,â he says, and moves in to me.
This is the first kiss that weâre both fully aware of. Neither of us hobbled by sickness or pain or simply unconscious. Our lips neither burning with fever or icy cold. This is the first kiss where I actually feel stirring inside my chest. Warm and curious.
This is the first kiss that makes me want another.
***In stark contrast to two nights ago, when I felt Peeta was a million miles away, I'm struck by his immediacy now. As we settle in, he pulls my head down to use his arm as a pillow; the other rests protectively over me even when he goes to sleep. No one has held me like this in such a long time. Since my father died and I stopped trusting my mother, no one else's arms have made me feel this safe.
***Go to sleep," he says softly. His hand brushes the lose strands of my hair off my forehead. Unlike the staged kisses and caresses so far, this gesture seems natural and comforting. I don't want him to stop and he doesn't. He's still stroking my hair when I fall asleep.
***He manages to wake me and calm me down. Then he climbs into bed to hold me until I fall back to sleep. After that, I refuse the pills. But every night I let him into my bed. We manage the darkness as we did in the arena, wrapped in each otherâs arms, guarding against dangers that can descend at any moment
***I wish Peeta were here to hold me, until I remember I'm not supposed to wish that anymore. I have chosen Gale and the rebellion, and a future with Peeta is the Capitol's design, not mine.
***So what should we do with our last few days?â
âI just want to spend every possible minute of the rest of my life with you,â Peete replies.
âCome on, then,â I say, pulling him into my room.
It feels like a luxury, sleeping with Peeta again. I didnât realize until now how starved Iâve been for human closeness. For the feel of him beside me in the darkness.
***I look up into those blue eyes that no amount of dramatic makeup can make truly deadly and remember how, just a year ago, I was prepared to kill him. Convinced he was trying to kill me. Now everything is reversed. Iâm determined to keep him alive, knowing the cost will be my own life, but the part of me that is not so brave as I could wish is glad that itâs Peeta, not Haymitch, beside me
***Peeta and I sit on the damp sand, facing away from each other, my right shoulder and hip pressed against his.
After a while I rest my head against his shoulder. Feel his hand caress my hair.
"Katniss... If you die, and I live, there's no life for me at all back in District Twelve. You're my whole life", he says. "I would never be happy again."
I start to object but he puts a finger to my lips. "It's different for you. I'm not sayin it wouldn't be hard. But there are other people who'd make your life worth living." ... "Your family needs you, Katniss", Peeta says.
My family. My mother. My sister. And my pretend cousin Gale. But Peeta's intension is clear. That Gale really is my family, or will be one day, if I live. That I'll marry him. So Peeta's giving me his life and Gale at the same time. To let me know I shouldn't ever have doubts about it.
Everithing. That's what Peeta wants me to take from him.
"No one really needs me", he says, and there's no self-pity in his voice. It's true his family doesen't need him. They will mourn him, as will a handful of friends. But they will get on. Even Haymitch, with the help of a lot of white liquor, will get on. I realize only one person will be damaged beyond repair if Peeta dies. Me.
"I do", I say. "I need you." He looks upset, takes a deep breath as if to begin a long argument, and that's no good, no good at all, because he'll start going on about Prim and my mother and everything and I'll just get confused. So before he can talk, I stop his lips with a kiss.
I feel that thing again. The thing I only felt once before. In the cave last year, when I was trying to get Haymitch to send us food. I kissed Peeta about a thousand times during those Games and after. But there was only one kiss that made me feel something stir deep inside. Only one that made me want more. But my head wound started bleeding and he made me lie down.
This time, there is nothing but us to interrupt us. And after a few attempts, Peeta gives up on talking. The sensation inside me grows warmer and spreads out from my chest, down through my body, out along my arms and legs, to the tips of my being. Instead of satisfying me, the kisses have the opposite effect, of making my need greater. I thought I was something of an expert on hunger, but this is an entirely new kind.
***As I drift off, I try to imagine that world, somewhere in the future, with no Games, no Capitol. A place like the meadow in the song I sang to Rue as she died. Where Peetaâs child could be safe.
***When I wake, I have a brief, delicious feeling of happiness that is somehow connected with Peeta.
***By late afternoon I lie with my head in Peetaâs lap making a crown of flowers while he fiddles with my hair claiming he is practicing knots. After awhile his hands go still.
âWhat?â I ask.
âI wish I could freeze this moment, right here, right now, and live in it forever,â he says.
Usually this sort of comment, the kind that hints his undying love for me, makes me feel guilty and awful. But Iâm so relaxed and beyond worrying about a future Iâll never have, I just let the word slip out.
âOkay,â I say. I can hear the smile in his voice. âThen youâll allow it?â
âIâll allow it.
***When Peeta holds out his arms, I walk straight into them. It's the first time since they announced the Quarter Quell that he's offered me any sort of affection. He's been more like a very demanding trainer, always pushing, always insisting Haymitch and I run faster, eat more, know our enemy better. Lovers? Forget about that. He abandoned any pretense of even being my friend. I wrap my arms tightly around his neck before he can order me to do push-ups or something. Instead he pulls me in close and buries his face in my hair. Warmth radiates from the spot where his lips just touch my neck, slowly spreading through the rest of me. It feels so good, so impossibly good, that I know I will not be the first to let go.
***I like to watch his hands as he works, making a blank page bloom with strokes of ink, adding touches of color to our previously black and yellowish book. His face takes on a special look when he concentrates. His usual easy expression is replaced by something more intense and removed that suggests an entire world locked away inside him. I've seen flashes of this before: in the arena, or when he speaks to a crowd, or that time he shoved the Peacekeepers' guns away from me in District 11. I don't know quite what to make of it. I also become a little fixated on his eyelashes, which ordinarily you don't notice much because they're so blond. But up close, in the sunlight slanting in from the window, they're a light golden color and so long I don't see how they keep from getting all tangled up when he blinks.
***You're alive," I whisper, pressing my palms against my cheeks, feeling the smile that's so wide it must look like a grimace. Peeta's alive.
***Sometimes when I'm alone, I take the pearl from where it lives in my pocket and try to remember the boy with the bread, the strong arms that warded off nightmares on the train, the kisses in the arena.
***My mockingjay pin now lives with Cinna's outfit, but there's the gold locket and the silver parachute with the spile and Peeta's pearl. I knot the pearl into the corner of the parachute, bury it deep in the recesses of the bag, as if it's Peeta's life and no one can take it away as long as I guard it.
***It's impossible to be the Mockingjay. Impossible to complete even this one sentence. Because now I know that everything I say will be directly taken out on Peeta. Result in his torture. But not his death, no, nothing so merciful as that. Snow will ensure that his life is much more worse than death.
"Cut," I hear Cressida say quietly.
"What's wrong with her?" Plutarch says under his breath.
"She's figured out how Snow's using Peeta," says Finnick.
There's something like a collective sigh of regret from that semicircle of people spread out before me. Because I know this now. Because there will never be a way for me to not know this again. Because, beyond the military disadvantage losing a entails, I am broken.
Several sets of arms would embrace me. But in the end, the only person I truly want to comfort me is Haymitch, because he loves Peeta, too. I reach out for him and say something like his name and he's there, holding me and patting my back. "It's okay. It'll be okay, sweetheart." He sits me on a length of broken marble pillar and keeps an arm around me while I sob.
"I can't do this anymore," I say.
"I know," he says.
***I wrap my arms around his neck, feel his arms hesitate before they embrace me. Not as steady as they once were, but still warm and strong. A thousand moments surge through me. All the times these arms were my only refuge from the world. Perhaps not fully appreciated then, but so sweet in my memory, and now gone for ever.
***It's a long shot, it's suicide maybe, but I do the only thing I can think of. I lean in and kiss Peeta full on the mouth. His whole body starts shuddering, but I keep my lips pressed to his until I have to come up for air. My hands slide up his wrists to clasp his. "Don't let him take you from me."
Peeta's panting hard as he fights the nightmares raging his head. "No. I don't want to. . ."
I clench his hands to the point of pain. "Stay with me."
His pupils contract to pinpoints, dilate again rapidly, and then return to something resembling normalcy. "Always," he murmurs.
***I raise my left arm and twist my neck down to rip off the pill on my sleeve. Instead my teeth sink into flesh. I yank my head back in confusion to find myself looking into Peetaâs eyes, only now they hold my gaze. Blood runs from the teeth marks on the hand he clamped over my nightlock.
âLet me go!â I snarl at him, trying to wrest my arm from his grasp.
âI canât,â he says.
***Peeta and I grow back together. There are still moments when he clutches the back of a chair and hangs on until the flashbacks are over. I wake screaming from nightmares of mutts and lost children. But his arms are there to comfort me. And eventually his lips. On the night I feel that thing again, the hunger that overtook me on the beach, I know this would have happened anyway. That what I need to survive is not Gale's fire, kindled with rage and hatred. I have plenty of fire myself. What I need is the dandelion in the spring. The bright yellow that means rebirth instead of destruction. The promise that life can go on, no matter how bad our losses. That it can be good again. And only Peeta can give me that. So after, when he whispers, "You love me. Real or not real?" I tell him, "Real.
While I'm not going to read all the quote below, I do appreciate this perspective. Love the idea that only TOGETHER did Katniss and Peeta set the world on fire!
Oh dang I forgot how just in LOVE with Peeta Katniss is. Damn studios demanding love triangles....
â@@scahearn6279while you picked very specific quotes (and too many to read here, I admit), it's important to take the circumstances into account. If Katniss didn't volunteer, she would've ended up with Gale. He was her best friend, they were close and he obviously had feelings for her. Katniss is pragmatic, so he would make an easy, effortless choice.
If Gale agreed to leave district 12 after Katniss had won her games, she would've ended up with Gale as well. While he was not what she needed, he was at least comfort and safety, which is what she wanted. At that point her relationship with Peeta was icy, so no competition there.
The second run into the hunger games is what finally made Katniss realize she had feelings for Peeta, which she did not have before their victory tour.
So basically it's only thanks to Snow that Peeniss happened
If I recall correctly, after katniss killed Coin, the mob beat Snow to death. So he was already dying with the bloody mouth and then the mob took care of him. The cat scene at the end absolutely kills me.
Thatâs a more fitting end than an arrow
Peeta wasnât being a brat and discussing her feelings in the middle of the war. He is having a hard time differentiating between what truly happened in the last years and the brainwashing that was done to condition him to kill Katniss. That is why he was playing that ârealâ or ânot realâ game with her. He isnât trying to hear her say she loves him just because he is insecure, he is truly still trying to get to know what is real and what isnât.
I find Peeta's fate so cruel. In the first film/bookhe said that He just wants to stay who He is, the the games and capital won't change him. and exactly that happened. for the rest of his life he hat to second guess everything, most of All himselfđą
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as someone who is palestinian, i really appreciate you guys acknowledging whatâs going on and where you stand. iâve been a big fan of the channel and you guys for awhile so it warms my heart. much love to you both and iâve really enjoyed you guys watching these movies!
Weâre glad to be able to show you support in such an awful time
So, something about Pt. 2 and Katnissâ mission:
In the books, she actually got sent along with the squad to the Capitol, she didnât have to sneak into it. She had to go through weeks of combat and military training and pass the evaluations to show that she could follow orders and carry them out even when she doesnât agree with them. Joanna was in the training too, but she didnât pass her evaluation and was actually really devastated by it bc she wanted to be sent in as well.
The reason Boggs gave Katniss the holo was bc he knew that everyone else was under Coinâs orders. Katniss was the only one who could be trusted to get them where they needed to be and understand what they were going to face, as sheâs been in the games twice and understands the gamemakersâ traps.
For Prim, I remember reading that scene in fourth grade and THROWING the book across the room and wanting to just cry. I think that scene was an amazing choice from Suzanne, as it really drove the message of the story. Itâs also extremely painful, because everything Katniss did was for Prim and to protect her. Now, her reason for everything is gone. Again, war doesnât care about intentions. It kills indiscriminately. The fact that the bomb was from 13 and Gale was part of developing the secondary trigger technology that killed so many is such a gut punch to Katniss, and why she canât stand to see him later on.
In terms of the ending of the series- a lot of ppl didnât like it and thought it was too happy or just didnât end the way they wanted it to. I think the ending was perfect for the series. The games and the war literally destroyed their lives and their homes. Katniss was still a teenager during the events of the series, so by the time she became an adult and had to keep going, she found a way to cope along with Peeta and build a life together that they could find peace and joy in, despite their traumas and nightmares. Itâs the happiest ending they couldâve had, and itâs also the most realistic one.
I know it may have been a bit anticlimactic for some, but it actually drove home the message of the entire series. Suzanne really understood that war doesnât care about who you are or what youâve done. It destroys everyone. And once war is over, people have to rebuild their lives and find ways of coping.
Itâs wayyyyy to close to home right now, but Iâm glad people are actually waking up to the reality that weâre living in and how we can absolutely make change if we fight for it.
People thought that ending was TOO HAPPY!? wild
I was in college and when I read Prim dying I too threw my book across my room.
â@@PinkPopcastyeah the end in the book was Kind of depressing, Katniss spends weeks alone in the House in district 12 doing nothing, then she slowly starts to go outside and a few people return, then she find peeta there planting the flower and talks about how the both of them still have These Bad day and the end is her Kids playing in the medow and she think maybe someday she will tell them the Story of how people know her and peeta and why they have their moments and how the place they are currently playing is actually a Mass grave...
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Alright here I go:
I am team Peeta for multiple reasons. First and foremost heâs just so un-toxic. Heâs supportive, kind, fun, cute, sweet, romantic and has morals. Heâs also patient. After he found out her âloveâ was fake at the end of the first book, he wasnât downright harassing her with questions and basically trying to force her to feel the same way (*cough* Gale *cough*). He just stood back and let her figure it out.
Heâs not radical like Gale, doesnât condone the killings of civilians even if they are from the capitol.
And at the end Katnissâ inner monolouge explains everything. It goes something like â⊠what I need is not more fire and violence. I have enough of that myself. What I need is the dandelion, the proof that there is still hope even after significant losses. That life can move on and only Peeta can provide thatâŠâ
I also think that once youâre a victor you can basically only ever be in a longterm relationship with another victor. No one else will understand the nightmares and the PTSD. Theyâre just written in the stars, Iâm sorry for the Gale girlies but even when I was 16 and reading this for the first time I understood that Gale never even had a real shot.
So there u go. Thank you for listening to my TED talk.
I love you guys for addressing the genocide going on because it has been heartbreaking to watch, you guys genuinely do make every video a comfort . you both are amazing people and the community you have built is real been following yall since i was 17 !!đđ
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I'm confused by the side taking đ€·ââïž Genocide of anyone should be condemned the innocent people aren't the ones causing all this it's the governing bodies unfortunately playing chess with human lives
â @@NurseHarley299got to admit itâs pretty fuckin stupid, but I really love the music!!!
@@NurseHarley299yea thatâs exactly why the Palestinian Genocide (among other genocides) needs to end.
The thing Coin didnât anticipate is how powerful symbols are. Katniss was able to get away with killing Coin because she had already done so much for the cause. Plus, they were able to kill Snow because of her. No one cared about Coin, she only got clout because of Katniss endorsing her.
The Capitol started brainwashing Peeta long before he even warned Katniss about 13 being bombed. Peeta essentially has two sets of memories where one is reality and the other is of him in fight or flight fearing for his life and Katniss is trying to murder him versions of his real memories. They replay the games, interviews, any footage of him and Katniss together and describe and talk to him about other memories he has with her so that every memory is âcontaminatedâ with trackerjacker venom. The reason he is able to break through to warn Katniss during that interview is that his memory of her singing was not contaminated so to speak and it brought him out of the internal battle of what is real and is not. When he asks Katniss if she loves him itâs because thereâs a set of memories he has to navigate where she lets him love her so she can kill him. In the first movie she also lets him love her but to stay alive and at certain points was willing to kill him also so the line is very blurry. They also cut out a LOT of their interactions with book two and three in the movies that flushes out their friendship and relationship of bonding, supporting one another and understanding each other.
i really respect yâall for what you said at the beginning, the silence from many youtubers was deafening. no one expects anyone to know everything but injustice shouldnât ever be tolerated
Standing FOR innocent civilian lives and AGAINST Islamophobia/Antisemitism should never controversial. Hopefully you find peace here.
the reason she ended things with Gale was because earlier in the movie he came up with the two bomb idea with Beetee and Katniss thought is was a bit barbaric and thatâs when she started seeing Gale in a different light. once she saw that the bomb in front of the Capitol , she put two and two together and realized Gales barbaric idea and President Coin putting a 13 yo Prim on the front line is the reason Prim got killed. Gale also doesnât come to see her in the hospital because of the guilt he feels over his idea being the reason Prim dies, even though he promised to take care of her.
Ooof that's rough!
I read a comment once that summed it up wellâŠit wasnât just a matter of Katniss choosing one of the men. She was also figuring out along the way what she stood for when it came to the war itself and her whole mindset. Because the two men represented two different sides.
Despite the Capitol sending him to 2 Hunger Games, killing his entire family, and being tortured and brainwashed by them, in the end, Peeta still stood for peace. Whereas Gale had all this rage and hatred for the Capitol (rightly so), but it started to consume him. Hence you seeing him and Katnissâ friendship growing more and more contentious.
In the end, she says in the book that she knows her and Peeta wouldâve happened regardless. She needed that calming, patient presence to bring peace to her life after everything that happened. The hope that life can be good again, despite all the loss they suffered.
I only just recently re-red all the books- as expected they are a lot more fleshed out. I find the romance too much in the film too, however in the books they make it much clearer that Gale was simply her only friend for years, she had a much more strained relationship with her mother therefore relied on him for support. When he started all the romantic crap she lost the only person she trusted because her platonic love wasn't enough for him. she wanted closeness and comfort because she's going through hell, and not romantic love. With Peeta at first it was an act, and she felt her life was indebted to him, she really didn't even think about him seriously in a romance way until months after returning to 12 and processing everything that happened. they obviously had to speed it up for the films but in the books it is clear her and Peeta's relationship evolved really slowly and on her end it was mostly concern, comfort, trust ,and shared trauma that didn't turn truly romantic until right at the end.
Peetaâs a better man anyways
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One of the big things about katniss having kids is that throughout the entire series ( in the book) she states how she does not want to have a child. Mainly because she did not want to have them go through the reaping process for the hunger games and didn't want to bring anyone into the world that she lived in.
Now, and a time of peace and with someone she cares about. She was able to get past that and start a family.
A few notes on this reaction:
- Thank you for your bravery and integrity in voicing your support for Palestine- I didn't think I could love this channel more.
- It's so funny what you said about how Tigris should've maked-up Gale and Katniss since she was a stylist in the games- bc that's exactly what happens in the book- Katniss and Gale were in wigs, full makeup, scarves and hats and full coats bc they also had fully loaded weapons on them (also it was a blizzard), Peeta even makes a comment about 'never underestimating the power of a talented stylist' and Katniss thought about how he seemed so much like his old self. That's why the little girl in yellow spotting Katniss was so dramatic- bc they were supposed to be in full disguises...annoying that they took that out.
- It was mentioned briefly in this movie but it wasn't that Gale 'played a part' in prim's death- he literally designed the bombs and were showing the designs to Katniss and Beetee. Why Gale says "idk" to if they were his bombs is bc I guess the capitol could also have had similar weapons??
- Katniss and Peeta have kids 15-20 years after mockingjay. I wish that was displayed better. The time jump is supposed to communicate that Katniss and Peeta ended up together but it took alot of time to grow back together - and even more time for Katniss to trust the world as a safe place- without the games- for her kids.
So glad you did this reaction !! Can't wait for your eventual Ballad reaction, its...different from this series but AMAZING
I wouldâve loved to know that there was a time jump that large haha
5:14 I donât think thatâs it, âMuttsâ in the hunger games are genetically engineered creatures (like the weird dogs in the first hunger games, jabberjays in the second, and numerous other creatures), thatâs what Peeta is calling Katniss
Good to know!
Yep! And there was a whole thing where they made them using parts of the dead tributes. The mutts in the first book had the eyes of all of them, which messed with katniss.
I Know!! I was genuinely taken back by that comment đ đ€Ł I was like, I don't remember that being in the books... đ đ
I was looking for this comment because I was also confused
I feel like your reception on Katniss ending up with Peeta is actually spot on. Shes gone through so much horrible trauma, that she decided to stay with the man who offers security, safety, and love. It's not love at first sight or "true love" like most movies offer, but I feel like it's a more realistic one in their context.
Thank you for being some of the few creators to speak up! đ”đž It makes me happy knowing I can continue to watch yall with peace of mind
Happy you found a safe space here
FINNICK WAS THE ONE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO LIVE
YES!!
A couple people are reacting for the first time to these movies due to the prequel coming out. You are the first to publicly acknowledge the similarities to real life and the people on Palestine. Thank youâ€ïž
43:29 soooooo i read the books and i just wanna to say that she did love him, i know we want more independent girlies characters and katniss is too... the thing is they are teenagers, people tend to forget that, when the first reaping happen they both were 16 and katniss didnt fully understand her feelings towards peeta. And on peeta side is kinda the same he was 17-18 when he was tortured and brainwashed, i think all his actions are understandable later on the movies and think that they portrait very well the ptsd and the effects than can have
Ugh that's right they're JSUT KIDS! It's always hard to remember that internal struggle when the actors are just so goddamn beautiful and old looking lol
Great commentary as always. âIâm busyâ lol. There is a part in the books where Katniss says she does not need Galeâs fire kindled with rage and hatred but needs Peeta âthe dandelion in the springâ that represents hope. I believe the author Suzanne Collins meant the love triangle to be less about romantic love itself (although the books make it clear she fell for Peeta) but her choosing Peeta meant she chose hope.
As a palestinian who loves your videos, i just want to say thank you for speaking about it at the beginning :)
Hope it gives *some* comfort during this time.
Not me tearing up during the intro⊠thank you for this though. Itâs really hard watching the news. This movie for sure makes me think about that thin line between defending self and full on retaliation. Plutarchs words at the end ring so true about how we as people really never learn. đ
Glad you could find a safe space here
hi benji and rizzo, thank you for the beginning, as a Palestinian, thank you for seeing us đ€
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Letâs just say the series is more topical than ever. Thatâs all Iâm going to say. Hope you two enjoy the prequel!
Edit: Thank you for the cold open â€
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late to the premiere but I remember from reading the books (in German though) that the term mutt should also describe the genetic aberrations used in the Hunger Games; in the first one the wolf/dog-creatures thatkilled Cato had the faces of the dead participants; so what this implies is that Katniss was a clone sent by the Capitol
and it is rather unclear whether Peeta believes that she always was or that she was replaced
Ooo thatâs wild to think
@@PinkPopcast same later when he admits to being a mutt; he is not talking about his genetic heritage but that he finally comes to the realization that he is an abomination - not created but nevertheless programmed - by the Capitol... and yeah... the "[redacted]"-things in the tunnel where Finnick died? mutts
also: I wanted to name a certain movie but did not because I am not sure if you have seen that one
Yes, I believe that mutt is short for mutation, which would be the capitalâs creations.
i think the stunning thing about reading the books, at least for me, was the books were very good at bringing you on katniss's mental/trauma journey. finnick's death was what finally broke me, i barely felt anything when anything happened even prim dying until the scene with the cat. that scene just brought all the emotions back and i sobbed for like the rest of the book and an hour or more after that. i get choked up whenever i watch the scene in the movie too.
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ââ@@PinkPopcast the books are very readable (to my memory, it has been ten years or more however) written very cinematic, it's the themes and emotions that really are difficult. there are subtle changes and details that they obviously had to condense that are worth experiencing.
(like Effie was a delight in 13 but in the books her entire prep team is far more fleshed or and there. and the fact that coin suggested a hunger games for capitol children was far from the only thing that happened to show katniss who coin was.)
I feel like after everything that's happened in the past years since I read them... I need to do a re-read.
As a Palestinian in diaspora thank yall for saying something I was really hoping yall would continue to be the good ppl I knew you were
in the books, peeta and katniss dont get together for a while, the whole love and babies was in an epilogue that said she was too traumatized to even give pregnancy a chance until years later. So it wasnt actually rushed, its implied that Peeta respected her wishes and was okay with waiting for her he just also made sure she knew he was there when she was ready for them to be together.
and also yes the books did their romance 10x better imo
Thatâs so much better!
Finnick's death breaks my heart because he deserved a happy ending after everything he went through. At the very least, he deserved to see a world without Hunger Games and Snow. And to be with Annie, of course. The same goes for Prim who was just a 13-year-old kid. Unfortunately, war is cruel to everyone. It's heart-wrenching to think that everything started because Katniss wanted to protect Prim, only to lose her in the end. My heart goes out to Katniss, especially knowing that her mother left her in District 12 and never came back from District 4. She had nobody from her family on her side at the end, but fortunately, she had Haymitch and Peeta. I believe that Katniss, Peeta, and Haymitch are the definition of a found family. Their bond is truly precious, and they understand each other so well because they have the same experience of trauma. After everything, it's so beautiful to see them there for each other, trying to comfort each other and move forward together.
Now, let's talk about Peeta. He is one of the characters that the trilogy did wrong, especially considering he's one of the main characters. Josh Hutcherson did everything he could with the script he had, but the problem was in the writing. They cut his scenes with Katniss to push the Gale love triangle, and they failed to show the depth of his character and the complexity in the book. I don't even want to talk about his leg, which was such a significant thing to cut out in the films. Because of the erasure of Peeta, the Gale thing feels pushed in the films. Since they didn't show the progress on the Katniss and Peeta side, especially in Catching Fire, Katniss's feelings for Peeta deepened throughout the story. There were so many moments when they kissed, hugged, and had physical touch behind the camera. This is so important because it shows their sincerity, especially Katniss's. Most of the time in Catching Fire, Katniss is the one who initiates physical touch with Peeta, and she even yearns for those moments. There are moments in Mockingjay where Katniss puts the pearl Peeta gave her to her lips and imagines kissing him. They left out so many things that viewers saw their ending as rushed and irrelevant.
Gale desingned the bomb . He was very much involved .
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Peeta's baseline thought process throughout ALL the books is that Katniss doesn't like him back, especially not to the same degree he loves her. He's resigned about it, but he doesn't go out of his way to court her or get a definitive answer out of her like Gale (ew) does. It's more that the switch from having to act lovey-dovey to survive to a cold barely-friends dynamic plays with his heart, but Peeta knows that she doesn't mean to do that. I love that he told her that directly in Catching Fire, too! For most of the first book, Katniss thinks that Peeta is making up his crush to appeal to the crowd and get sponsors. She only realizes he actually has feelings for her when he starts recounting things about his childhood and watching her from afar. Katniss grows to care deeply for Peeta, but with Gale yammering in her ear at every chance about romance, she keeps shoving him away to protect herself from any possible pain
Good on you for taking a stance! It shouldn't be controversial to not want innocent people to die.
exactly!
@@PinkPopcast so not the point but I also wanted to say, whoever edits your video was coooooking this video!
i never coment here, but just wanna say im so happy and proud to follow this channel. Im from brazil and most of people here are pro palestine, but I get in US the pressure to support israel is big, so thank you guys for using your plataform to speak against genocide... you guys are great!
We stand with the innocent civilians from Palestine as much as we stand the innocent lives in Israel. People are not their government and we will always stand AGAINST Islamophobia and Antisemitism â€ïžâ€ïžâ€ïž
The worst moments: We saw children get blown up, and then we lost the manly man Finnick O'Dare
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Okay yeah Katniss really was just like âIM BUSYâ in the book too. Like her love for Peeta is there and clear in the book but sheâs like Iâm just trying to survive right now. And Gale legit itâs just like âoh no he likes me, I should probably like him backâ but she just doesnât.
You guys delivered exactly what I was expecting from you. Iâm very glad creators like you exist.
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You all are kind of misreading Peeta, he's been tortured and made to believe that Katniss is an active threat - he's not just in his feelings because she didn't hold his hand or kiss him. The boy is legit struggling here đ€Ł he literally thought she was a mutt that had been created by The Capitol.
in the books, they did do makeup for the disguises for the refugee infiltration part, but i assume they wanted jenniferâs face for primâs death scene so they did away with it for the film. also, it was galeâs plan that got prim killed. he came up with the idea to bomb people, wait for medical staff to move in, and set off a second explosion. a horrible war crime by an angry, vengeful man that got someone he truly cared about senselessly killed
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Thank you for speaking up. The silence on this genoc*de has been deafening.
This love story feels more realistic to me. Sometimes your best friend becomes the one you can love a d trust. Also in the books it took perta and katniss like 16 years to have kids cause she was still so scared of bringing children into the world. Gale was not her cousin in the series. But originally he was supposed to be and the publishers/editors wanted that YA love triangle⊠which is why it felt so not right.
In the books as well as in the movies the cousin story is just a cover up, to have a plausible argument why Katniss hangs out so much with this other dude, when she is supposed to be head over heels in love with Peeta
Thank you so much for mentioning Palestine. It is incredibly rare among entertainment personalities to have the courage to stand up for what's right. I appreciate you taking the time to state your support.
After Katniss kills Coin she goes to take a Nightlock pill which is a callback to Johanna telling Katniss that anyone can be killed as long as youâre willing to die for what needs to be done. Peeta is the one to knock it out of her hand.
Oh I forgot the pill
gale made the bomb, the idea was to bomb a group and then a second would go off while medical was there
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A bomb that had a delayed second blast was Gales idea, he mentioned it in the last movie in the weapons room. The idea was to draw in medics and more people once the first blast had gone off - derived from a hunting trap. He spoke about this with Beetee who was helping with the weapons designs for District 13 at the time. He knew the bombs were being made, he didn't care at the time about the actual casualties they would cause which led to a disagreement with Katniss. He knew they would've been used at some point, he didn't know when and obviously didn't expect Prim to be caught in the explosion.
I'm glad you mentioned the parallels between the movies and what's going on in Palestine. It's a bit sad how people will side with the oppressed in fiction, but when they see something similar in real-life, they sometimes side with the oppressors (not you guys, of course, but in social media, specially in traditional media, some people in general). I've seen a very viral tweet a few minutes ago related to this, where they shared a scene from Mockingjay ("if we burn, you burn with us") and were asking if they'd think she's a terrorist (or if what she did/said was, of course justified).
The way I teared up with the opening of this videođ so many people I've supported have disappointed me with their takes on this absolute shitshow, it's truly such a relief to not be hugely disappointed. Thank you for creating my safe space. đđđđ
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damn y'all made me cry in the first 30 seconds
THANK YOU for standing with Palestine! most other channels can't even bring themselves up to mention Palestine. So, thanks
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To be fair has never been the one whoâs like âdo you like me or himâ thatâs always been Gale. In that moment itâs not about feelings itâs about him not knowing if he can trust her
When I first read the books I totally agreed that Katniss should end up alone however the quote from the book is still adorable and makes me think someone is cutting onions in here. "Peeta and I grow back together. There are still moments when he clutches the back of a chair and hangs on until the flashbacks are over. I wake screaming from nightmares of mutts and lost children. But his arms are there to comfort me. And eventually his lips. On the night I feel that thing again, the hunger that overtook me on the beach, I know this would have happened anyway. That what I need to survive is not Gale's fire, kindled with rage and hatred. I have plenty of fire myself. What I need is the dandelion in the spring. The bright yellow that means rebirth instead of destruction. The promise that life can go on, no matter how bad our losses. That it can be good again. And only Peeta can give me that.
So after, when he whispers, "You love me. Real or not real?" I tell him, "Real."
That wouldâve been such a sweet thing to highlight in the movies đ„°
I appreciate yâall so much for saying something about Palestinians. Itâs so incredibly important especially when support for Palestine is being criminalized internationally.
It really is important to speak up â€ïžđ”đž
Thank you for speaking up against the genocide guys!! đ
It's been so weird seeing all of the Hunger Games content with the new movie coming out without anyone addressing the eerie parallels...
first channel I regularly watch to address Palestine, good on you both.
We always stand for innocent lives!
"On the night I feel that thing again, the hunger that overtook me on the beach, I know this would have happened anyway. That what I need to survive is not Gale's fire, kindled with rage and hatred. I have plenty of fire myself. What I need is the dandelion in the spring. The bright yellow that means rebirth instead of destruction. The promise that life can go on, no matter how bad our losses. That it can be good again. And only Peeta can give me that."
They literally say at the end of the book that it could only have been Peeta lmao
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Wow nope, missed that đ«ą
I watched the new Hunger Games movie and when I said I felt everything (because of how closely related the music was to the rest of the franchise) musically but also as a good backstory because it also answers the question of, "If they knew this was bad, why didn't they rebel before?". Beautiful series, wonderful reaction. Love you guys! I tried to be early today, but I had an allergic reaction and nearly died so... I'm here now, lmao. LOVE YOUUUUU
Glad youâre feeling better :)
If I remember correctly (and I could be totally making this up, Iâm not for sure lol), I believe the author said at one point that there was never meant to be a love triangle. Gale and Peeta were supposed to represent war and peace respectively, and it was just meant to be 2 people she cared about. I think the publishing company wanted a love triangle because it was popular at the time.
Someone on Tumblr wrote a very good post about Prim being doomed from the beginning and trapped by the narrative. The first line of the books is Katniss waking up and realizing Prim is gone before the Reaping. She does everything to get her back and keep her safe, but thatâs not the real thing that matters, because Prim is already gone. What matters is she kept fighting.
I know itâs going to be awhile before you guys can react to the prequel but I already canât wait đ
It was such a good movie!
I have a simple brain. I see Rizzo and Benji--I click. And I love you guys for talking about what's going on--even if it is a difficult topic to discuss.
This is a safe space :)
This is most definitely one of the greatest Dystopian stories ever adapted to the big screen, but I think where the movies failed a little bit was the lack of symbolism that came across much clearer in the books. Mainly Katniss' inner monologue and motivations. E.g. Prim being the reason for Katniss' two biggest acts against Panem's dictators (the first volunteering and later the death of Coin), the parallel between Prim's cat and herself (she hated him because she believed him unlovable, just like herself and the ending with the cat is her making peace and allowing herself comfort) and MOST IMPORTANTLY the fact that it was never about romance. That is to say, it was, but it was never about choosing a romantic interest but rather an ideology - either selfish Gale who had violent, revenge-filled ideas about how to achieve justice, and who time and time again demanded for her to choose him, or selfless Peeta who continued to give her everything without asking for a single thing in return, who did not desire justice but peace. The boy who taught her how to shoot an arrow, or the boy who gifted her bread when he did not need to. The second she decides to kill Coin, to prevent a new Hunger Games, to discard the revenge and anger she felt in her heart, THAT was the moment when she chose Peeta. Whew.
So yeah, I totally get the frustration and Gale is a deeply annoying character in both books and movies, but he still had a purpose. Just wish they had kind of elaborated it further.
Love you guys as always!
First of all, thank you for speaking up. Not a lot of people are and we need to be vocal on this issue, especially since it does reflect these films.
I wanna talk about Peeta having this constant issue with knowing if Katniss likes him or not, and it makes it worse because 1) It was supposed to be fake since the beginning but he clearly grew fond of her but knew of her connection with Gale. But 2) He was mentally fucked over by the Capital so him still having to ask if itâs ârealâ or not has nothing to do with what Katniss has said or did, just more of the trauma and manipulation he went through by the Capital so they could get him to hate her. The reassurance is rough to watch but itâs nice to know that after everything Katniss doesnât have to take it or hide it for the sake of his life.
Loved your reaction!! (If you watch Divergent, have fun making fun of it because 2/3 of the films are horrible)
This means so much! Thank you for standing up for whatâs right đđđ
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ok so from what I remember about the books "mutt" isn't about her ethnicity, it refers to the mutations that the capitol made like the mockingjays, the tracker jackers (those killer wasps in the first book/movie) and the dogs that chased Peeta, Katniss, and Cato to the cornucopia. Mutts are creations of the capitol used for warfare, and Peeta has been manipulated (with tracker jacker venom) into thinking Katniss is a creation that caused all of his suffering
Super appreciate y'all acknowledging the connections to what's going on in Gaza right now. Recently sat my partner down to watch these for the first time, and I kept having to pause the last two because the similarities were so hard not to see throughout it. I was honestly super disappointed to learn Suzanne Collins holds no support for the Palestinian people..
Its a pity how madge, her friend in the upper district, was cut from the casting. Cause she was one of the only ones peeta could normally talk to when they first recovered him from the capitol.
Awww luv the message in the beginning, itâs crazy that so many people of influence refuse to acknowledge the atrocities in Gaza so salute to u guys, proud to be a subscriber đâ€
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0:13 This is why you guys are my favourite CZcamsrs. Thank you!
Peace be with you, Popstar!
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I'm so glad that you guys can recognize the parallels. this is why art is so important.
We appreciate your reactions. Keep up the good work as always.
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Big respect to you for supporting Palestine openly, not many in CZcams or else has this courage đȘđŸ
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only you two could make me laugh and giggle in a war genocide movie. but please....for the love of Peeta's hair....dont torture us with Divergent
When Peeta refers to Katniss as a "mutt", it's not a slur. It's short for "muttation", the name they give to all of the Capital's genetically enhanced creations (e.g. the tribute dogs in the first games, the jabberyjays in the second games, and the lizard people in the sewers during this movie.) The Capital programmed him to believe that she was nothing more than a deadly mutt that needed to be killed.
Also, I laughed so much during this video. Thank youuuu đâ€ïž
I love you so much, loved you before the beginning of this video but it truly showed your empathy and humanity. Thank you for saying Palestine by name, not succumbing to fear of losing fans.
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the books explain Katniss and peetas evolving relationship more, I'm so sad they didn't put it into the movies and also gale knew so in hindsight he is the prim reaper
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I will never forgive Suzanne for killing off Finnick that hurt my heart so much when I first read itđ If I remember correctly from the book Katniss is so traumatized she gets addicted to morphling thatâs why sheâs in the medical wing so much. Someone correct me if Iâm wrong though! Itâs been 12 years since I read the booksđ
Pretty sure Suzanne Collins was told to add a love triangle by the publishers. Gale was supposed to be a rebellious bestie before that.
Yea it definitely feels kind of forced in
When Peeta called Katniss a mutt, it wasnât in reference to her race. It was in reference to how the Capitol experiments on people specifically dead victors and then makes them into things that kill they call them mutts. The things that kill Finnick were mutts, mutts were also supposed to be at the end of the first movie, but they made them. into dogs for some reason
It isn't just cuz they were alive together, they did really love each other and in the books it says that she chose him over Gale cuz Peeta was a soft, loving person to counter her fire, which Gale would only feed into. She didn't need more fire, she needed a dandelion.
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I know it is a small detail and makes sense that the movie wouldn't want to pay for another actor, but they actually do send in someone else other than Prim. A classmate named Delly who was friends with Peeta even before the games. Still these choices are what make people question the wisdom of sending Prim... anyways
Thank you guys so much for acknowledging the connection of whatâs happening & these movies. Love your channel & I will keep supporting đ
3:00 âMuttâ is short for Mutation, and applies to all kinds of bioweapons of the capitol.
Jabberjays
Tracker jackers
The dogs in movie 1
The apes in movie 2
The faceless zombie thingies in this movieâŠ
Theyâre all Mutts.
Thanks!
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as someone who doesnt know a whole lot about the Israeli Palestinian issues over the last few decades, I pray that the killin stops on BOTH sides and that there is a way that it can be resolved without all the violence. in the meantime, thank you for adressing this issue â€â€
Exactly! Itâs wild that standing for innocent civilian lives on both sides is being silenced đ
Unfortunately Israel would need to stop occupying Gaza for that to happen. Gazans can't even collect RAINWATER. Israel says even the water from the sky is their property. How? Idk
Thank you two for being amazing people
What I love about Katniss and her bow, is that ever since the first movie, shes never used it as a spetical. Its what she knows and trusts. So its fitting shed get Coin in the ends with a fake out with snow, even though she still wants to.
So so so much respect!! so many few voices are speaking out on this right now!
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Omg the intro đ„șđ„șâ€ïžâ€ïžâ€ïž you guys made me tear. Love you guys even more
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This make me so happy to have the Palestine message at the beginning. Free Palestine
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