Why Is Sony Making A PS5 Pro?
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The PS5 Pro has been leaked! Well, it’s been leaked for a while actually. It’s just that now we’re getting more concrete specs and information about what Sony’s mid generation refresh might be.
I’ve talked about before how I’m not all that enthusiastic about the prospect of a “PS5 Pro”, but as time has gone on I think it’s started to make more sense why Sony is developing this hardware, and the reasons are….odd.
Very odd.
Today I want to discuss what I feel is the purpose for this devices creation, who it will appeal to, and whether I personally intend on buying one.
Hint: It’s probably GTA VI. - Hry
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I think it is a smart move on MS for not doing a mid-gen refresh since it would've felt useless in concept since PS4 Pro released when it only took a couple of years before the PS5 release
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gaming feels so stagnant but hardware demands for games just keep getting higher
Have you played dragons dogma 2?
Helldivers 2 is pretty good.
Stagnant, no no no. Regressing is more like it.
Bro my brother got me the 2nd best-value CPU in the world and a great GPU, still got 85FPS on Roblox 😅
Not by necessity. It's because of a lack of optimization and due diligence. The current hardware is quite enough for this generation, there's no need at all for a pro console.They just need to actually make games and optimize them for the systems.
Honestly back in the day I thought the ps2 slim was the standard edition and I assumed the chunky one was stronger
That's awesome
My friends and I had a stupid joke about the slim.
In Dutch slim means Smart.
It was a "smarter" decision to buy that version.
@@Wesmoenthat’s so fucking hilarious amen brother
@@Wesmoen I digress. What about slim smartphones?
@@Jokervision744 The slimmer, the smarter!
Teraflops, remember the bit-wars? Lets call this tera-wars.
Haha! It really has become the bit wars of this day and age. Everyone wants the console with the most, but nobody really knows what the hell it is.
@@MrMoogleYeah whenever you ask the person the question. what is a teraflop they always dodge it.
I prefer the flop wars
🧓Back in my day sonny oohyeheh...
@@greetingsmars Sounds better actually.
All CZcamsrs have been saying how this is a waste of time and it's pointless etc. but you can guarantee every single one of them will get one.
The use-case for a youtuber is different than a casual or core gamer. A youtuber saying "ps5pro is pointless (for general audiences)" while getting one themselves, is, surprisingly, not a hypocrite.
You must also hate when youtubers (reviewers) buy shitty games and complain about them. "every single one of them"
It's still true though.
@@haldir108 No, but it's still a problem. You could argue the biggest issue with gaming these days is the "They'll buy it anyway" mentality. It wont get any better as long as it stays true.
@@zetsubou-sensei1078 That doesn't apply to this situation
Meanwhile, Nintendo is just chillin' for another year with the Switch wondering what all this "mid gen" talk is about, haha.
Wasnt the switch oled a mid gen console?
@@somnia3423 I guess I consider a mid gen release to be something that includes a speed bump. If the rumors of the Pro Switch had come true instead of just the OLED screen, I would have considered that a mid gen Switch. But if you include the PS2/3 Slim as mid gen updates as well, then I would also put the Switch OLED in that group as the more refined release of the console at the midway point.
Nintendo isn't really in the performance game. They will come out swinging in 2025 with 2018 hardware
no lol
@@somnia3423
@@dante19890 Current rumours suggest Ampere based GPU, so 2020 hardware, but still.
freezing take but should be stated: we don't need better graphics, we just need better art direction
Unfortunately gaming has been hooked on better graphics as a selling point since forever. And I doubt that will change, ever.
Now, it’s never actually worked; the most powerful console has never been the best selling console, but that won’t stop them.
Wrong. Consumers want better looking graphics, we have the data for that.
@@user-hq6kn5vp2q source?
We need better developers. Nintendo has games like Luigi’s Mansion 3 or Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom with pretty advanced physics engines and decent enough graphics, especially since it’s running on hardware thats probably weaker than a $200 smartphone. If you bump the res of those games, they look fantastic. Nintendo has their faults, but their developers know how to code. These other AAA developers are garbage bin developers. Look at Dragons Dogma 2. It looks like shit and runs like shit.
@@user-hq6kn5vp2q Higher fidelty doesn't mean higher detail. People want games that are unique looking and denser, not games that run at a higher resolution or have sixty million vertices per model. That honestly is the opposite of what studios are doing, where they go for the highest fidelity with insane polygon counts and the highest texture resolutions possible, cutting not only optimization off at the knees despite the constant reuse of assets but also making the game areas feel sparse and less detailed even though they're massive.
all the while we got GTA VI running on PS2s over here in brazil
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@@Nev1812 He's joking dude lol it's probably some homebrewed bootleg "GTA VI" and is just making a joke about it
People just mod gta sa and burn it on a disc and call it gta 6 and then sell them for a few cents this happens in most third world countries@@zk0rned
@@weeasipboy_iq4279 I probably should've explained myself better because that's what I was referring to lol
@@Nev1812 r/whoosh
Reporter: So why did you make a Ps5 Pro?
Sony: Money!
Doesn't even make them money. The thing is they don't want to lose the audience that wants max FPS and performance. I mean it's an upgrade and you don't have to get it. Though some people would love an upgrade.
Reporter: Are the games better?
Sony: No!
They don't even try to hide it anymore 😅
@@eyeofterra Why would the audience that wants max FPS and performance be buying a console ? They would be buying a high end PC for gaming. Sony is after the casual AAA gamers, that just buy the latest console for easyness.
"What inspired you to make a second PS5 right after the original?"
"Money!"
I'm just waiting for the PS5 Pro so the price of the base PS5 goes down.
it won't.
@@lucy-peroThe base PS5 is already cheaper here after the slim came out
It won't go down by much. Sony isn't repeating the samething as ps4 generation.
If i'm not mistaking, base PS4s had seen 2 price cuts prior to ps4 pro release. And the ps4 pro here where i live, went on sale for almost 100 bucks off with 1 classic 10€ game attached of my choosing. I never wanted to buy the pro variant but since i saw the sale like 2-3 months after release, i decided to give it a try and threw my ps4 fat 500gb to a friend back then and went with the pro, which i still have here next to me. The PS4 pro lowering in price during a sale, forced the ps4 to then have additional price cuts for a short time.
The PS5 started differently. Lack of stock, price increase by Sony to then have discounts from time to time. Not long ago they dropped the price on PS5 because they weren't meeting the intended sales quota. So PS5 right now has a price cut, not sure if permanent but it has been like this for multiple months now. I bought my PS5 100 bucks off late 2023. With the presence of ps5 pro on the horizon. I am fairly certain that Sony is going to push for 500-550€ for the ps5 pro all digital, with a 550-600€ variant for physical games. It would make more sense for the disk drive addon to be sold at a discount or have a price cut so that people would have a chance to buy the addon if they wanted, but there aren't that many disk drives out there, so sony would still win since the digital variant would still reign supreme in sales and would mean better profits from the hardware sales.
With this said, my expectations is that PS5 base all digital will go for 400€ as new price, with the disk version going for 450€. Then the pro going for 500-600 range. PS5 major price cuts will occur when PS6 is close to being released, which means, 2026/2027. By then you will see base ps5s being sold for 300 bucks or even less from time to time to clear stocks and make room for the next generation system. While the pro variant will most likely go for 400 bucks by the end of the generation. The only way ps5 pro sees price cuts early, is if it flops in sales.
The series X is down to around $400.
Look for a second hand one.
This is so confusing to me. There’s not even that many Ps5 exclusives and Sony isn’t even releasing games until March 2025. Why would they release a pro console with no big games?
One game
@@godonomasI don’t know why
I bought a ps5 with no games to buy
People didn’t read the quote, “[…] we do not plan to release any new major existing franchise titles next fiscal year like God of War Ragnarök and Marvelʼs Spider-Man”.
There aren’t no games coming. They could be releasing new IP, or smaller scale games in their major franchises, or sequels to existing franchises they don’t consider major. It was very specific wording that only applies to like, 4 IP (GoW, Spider-Man, TLOU, Horizon). Basically, “we have no 10 million seller releasing this year” not “we have no 1st party games releasing”. Huge difference.
I’m there with people, the PS5 is sorely lacking proper exclusives, and it’s taken too long to get what few exist. But we don’t need to sensationalize or lie about what was actually said.
@@catuluj4385 Same here. The two reasons for me to get a Ps5 (Spiderman 2 and Persona 3 Reload) I got with the console, so now what’s there to get?
Great! This means I can play all my games with higher perfomance! I love PS5 games like Final Fantasy XVI and uh.... uh.... Like, yeah... uh... Demo - wait damn that's on PC too now- uh... uhhh
NGL I might actually buy a PS5 solely to play FF7 Rebirth early and I've seen this sentiment a lot online
@@neetpride5919 not a bad idea. I've heard the FF7 remake PC port was pretty bad anyway. The rebirth PC port will probably also suck.
Stellar Blade. Is called Stellar Blade.
Lol so true. Literally all the games I wanna play on PS5 can be played elsewhere. Teardown, Trepang2, Hi-Fi Rush, Robocop Rogue City.
I think the only exclusive it may have is the Burning Shores DLC for HFW
@@Manicfuguestate It didn't run great on console either lol
Tbh, mid gen refreshes are just cash grabs at this point.
I wonder how it'd feel to be a normie who only plays madden and warzone, looking at these expensive boxes...
it must be like a twilight zone episode shit
As someone who only plays sport games yeah it is weird lmao
Those people are the true consumers.
@@codyjames52it just seems to me (as a Pc guy, so possibly biased) that a lot of the x360/ps3 era advantages of console are just disappearing which sucks
@@gigitrix Yeah no you're right, the PS5 and the Series end of consoles are just glorified PC's but without any of the advantages the PC has. You used to buy a console for stuff like exclusives, comfort, price, and a lot of games just not being available on PC or they had terrible ports.
Nowadays the only thing consoles have going for is the comfort and ease of use, but even that won't be an advantage for them anymore once Valve rolls out SteamOS for the public.
more like deja vu shit cuz i swear i've seen this exact comment on other whimsu videos...
The Snail got him
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The snail feed him so we can feed the snail.. it's all a vicious cycle.. 🐌
Sony didn't care that no one could get a retail Ps5 until pretty recently. We shouldn't care about the unnecessary and early Ps5 Pro
I don't care, there's no reason for a PS5 Pro. I feel like it wouldn't financially make sense for neither the company or the consumer.
I feel like PS5 and Xbox Series were early to begin with. They could’ve released in 2022 and been fine
Compared to PS4, it's a few months late.
PS5 is already 3 years old
They did care. For them there is zero benefit if the console is sitting in some scalper’s basement because they sell the hardware at an almost break even price. Their main revenue is customer buying games and paying for PS Plus. It is in Sony’s best interest to make sure that everyone can get their hands on their hardware because that’s when the real business starts. This isn’t anything like PC gamers buying GPUs
This is why you see a new slim variant with a detachable disk drive. The modified the design so that manufacturing them can be simpler and also the end of chip shortage also helped them to get the production back on track.
@PurushNahiMahaPurush Which is ironic since this Pro will be scalped to hell and back
Yes, games now are finding it harder to get their graphics ad frame rates on, but that's not the problem: The problem is that the games or engines are either unoptimized or way too heavy (looking at you UE)
Yeah those UE5 were already making the new consoles need to upscale from 480p.
I bet that was one of the reasons Sony thought "we might actually need a Pro".
@@SIPEROTH The GPU on the ps5 is still quite capable, the bigger issue is on the cpu side. Games that make the system struggle, you can make easier adjustments to make the game run fine on a console based on quality settings, this impacts mostly on the GPU performance. But CPU performance, you can't do the samething as the GPU. It is very limited and mid gen refreshes can't have a CPU upgrade because then it means we would have an entire new CPU, which means the pro is not really a pro, but more of an early ps6 if they had done that. This would also cause further conflicts with ps6 as it would delay it further in order to have a CPU upgrade that is affordable to mass produce and would be capable of running previous systems through emulation.
Dragon's dogma is a CPU intensive game, and the current consoles are struggling massively to run that game. And there is very little the devs can do to fix the issue. Which is why you see the absurd npc spawn distance being set to extreme lows to help consoles run the game. Most games that are GPU intensive can be better adjusted to run with the hardware we have.
PS4 pro had the same issue, it had a nice increase in graphical settings but it was still lacking due to CPU being weak. Same with xbox. Xbox is probably skipping a midgen pro refresh because they know it makes no sense, when the series S exists and generation refreshes are a thing of the past.
Playstation and xbox should have 3 systems going forward and ignoring "generation leaps" as the main criteria to play future games.
1) Handheld system, mid tier price (max 400€), lowest performance of the 3 options in handheld with maybe the chance to turbo clock it for additional performance, making it almost mid tier. Have the possibility to use external addons to increase performance or flexibility (like a dock to make a handheld a desktop system). This system would release first, along with option 2.
2) Desktop system, low tier price(max 300€), low-mid tier performance of the 3 options. Cut down variant of option 3, offering accessible price to a console that offers the core experience to play games for the next 5-10 years at the cost of not running it on superb quality settings. This system would run on the same specs as the handheld, just a few extra cores to push for better GPU performance.
3) Desktop system, high tier price (max 600€), high tier performance. I would say this system should release 2-3 years after option 1 and 2 and uses new hardware to emulate the previous 2 systems. Acting as the refresh that offers the best quality settings for the next 5 years after its release.
So the lifespan on hardware, lets say it is 10 years. We would have something like this:
2020 = option 1 + option 2 released, similar specs, similar performance. Base systems to run 10 years of games post release, so games from 2020-2030 should run on these, of course we can't expect top tier performance all the time, but as long as it is playable...
2022/2023 = option 3 released, new specs, emulates option 2 with the new specs and offers good performance for at least 5 years post release
2025 = option 1 and option 2 should be on their knees begging for help but they still gotta survive 5 additional years somehow. So let's say magic happens. In all honesty though, game studios are the ones to blame here, lack of optimization or sometimes going to extreme lengths to make a game look crispy clear but then everything else is lacking.
2028 = option 3 is showing signs of struggle
2030 = repeat process and release new hardware again following the same pattern. Option 3 here at this point should be near end of life or already over in terms of capabilities.
A mid gen refresh with better specs that can emulate the recently released weaker systems is a more logical approach to have going forward. Since option 1 and option 2 would be using weaker APUs. Option 3 would have to be a beast of a system, acting similarly to a pro variant, but this pro variant would have everything upgraded, so it would offer additional frame rate improvements, on top of graphical quality and resolution improvements.
The alternative way is to have 5 year refreshes using the same pattern but option 3 is stretched for 10 years. So option 1 and 2 from 2020 to 2025/26, option 3 from 2022/23 to 2032/33. Option 1 and 2 would return in 2026/27 and survive untill 2032. This would make things closer together. The stronger system would remain relevant for 10 years, the weaker ones would be relevant for 5 years. The 5 year refresh on weaker systems could eventually mean their performance would more or less catch up to the stronger system, so it could offer similar performance in the long run.
It feels like literally nothing has happened this generation. I remember in the Xbox 360/PS3 days we used to get banger after banger each year. We’ll be lucky if we have more than 5 truly great games this year across all platforms.
People are either too young to know or have forgotten how every single AAA studio was guaranteed to release some sort of genre or generation defining game virtually every year. EA, Ubisoft, 2k, rocksteady, Microsoft Games, Bethesda were all bonafide hit machines, the occasional dud was the rarity.
2008, bought my first 360. I did, Halo 3 -> Bioshock -> Alan Wake -> Dead Space.
Incredible memories. The only game afaik that entice me to buy a ps5 is FF7 Rebirth. So, I wait.
More like 3 great games. Only like 6 games in the past five years were worth the prices
I was buying a regular PS4 around the time the PS5 came out lol. I have zero interest in this generation of consoles and their peer pressure. Making every damn game persistently online and losing features when the servers go down is one of the dumbest things to happen in gaming. Ever since the PS3 and XBOX 360, quality control is awful. I have older consoles still alive and kicking, but everything else has stopped working at some point. Better off waiting until our PCs can just emulate everything. 🤷♂
Completely agree pc is infinitely better and i think ever console gamer should look into pc, the only issue is emulation. Emulation is still not there yet emulating ps3 is still very early in development, let alone any new gen. Games like read dead aren't on pc and sony still has their exclusives locked away. If sony actually starts releasing exclusives for pc then they'd never be a need to ever buy a new console
@@greyanime0idk, being able to play every game up to about PS2/Xbox/Dreamcast/Gamecube era is enough for a lot of people that are into emulating retro games
@@REALPEDROGAMEPLAYS Everything Nintendo ever did is available in emulation too, since the switch is very weak hardware (mid-specs 2016 smartphone levels). PC also has tons and tons of exclusives, both officially and de facto (because they are only available on pc stores like steam gog, etc). Everything by Xbox is also available, including a discounted gamepass option, because Microsoft likes to port them to windows too. Sony also is releasing more and more exclusives, with a short time delay. Honestly, PC Gamer is the best option in every way.
I’m still on ps4 and rarely play on my pc.
I play A LOT of ps vita atm. Modern gaming dont appeal to me that much.
Can't wait for this to be $800 retail
I doubt that. Considering it's mostly a GPU upgrade, price won't be increased significantly more.
@@eyeofterra oh so just the most expensive component to upgrade in a pc? Gotcha
You are gonna wait forever.
$600 max
Face it people, gaming has peaked. Or at least stuck for the time being. Developers are doing terrible at optimizing games, mechanics are pretty much standardized now, graphics barely look any different.
Yeah
Yup that’s why I prefer art style over graphic
Have you seen 1943 rise of hydra or death stranding 2. Hell blade 2 is coming in a bit more than one month... come on now!
Nuh uh, graphics can improve. Gaming has gotten stagnant BECAUSE games aren't great. We can still have better frames, bigger games, and better graphics with these frames the better the system. They barely look different because most games are for the PS4 still...
@@SquidCena this
The problems isnt graphics
Graphic are actually the easiest part about making good games
"there's 10s of millions still playing on PS4 and Xbox One"
Me sitting here still using a Xbox 360 and PS3. Granted they probably get turned on once a year, if even that.
so u game once a year then
by that stardard i still play a Nintendo 3DS classic, every odd month or so.
My ps4 turns on everyday by itself at 3am like if it’s gonna update itself still lol
Ps3
Same. I skipped the ps4/Wii u gen and stayed on ps3 for a few years. I just got a ps5 a few weeks ago though but I'm still playing on ps3 from time to time. I even played Rayman Legends with my brother last weekend on ps3.
the answer is simple: so the PS5 can *Professionally* have no games
The Nintendo Switch's continued success just goes to show how much of a vacuum there is for good solid exclusives, the Switch is like 2 generations behind, even modern phones out-powers it.
Well they also have great creatives so you know💀💀
8k? Isn't the current PlayStation 5 already Advertised a 8k console? You're basically not getting anything different. Already Sony Caught in a 🤥.
PS5 does not run games at 8K lmao
Sony lied to you.
They cant even do proper 4k 💀
RUNNING AT 8K ONLY ON PLAYSTATION 5
*native resolution is upscaled 1080p*
*30 fps framerate poverty, half of the framerate cheap screens are capable of producing*
*framerate drops*
This is correct. It was advertised as an 8K console on the box, despite the PS5 being unable to output 8K video. One could say this is false advertising.
As a day 1 PS5 owner, I will definitely not get a PS5 Pro. I would more likely get a switch 2 because at least their console would have more exclusives.
I mean, I'll probably eventually get it since having a system with better specification never hurts.
@@eyeofterra A PC always has the better specifications available though.
GTA 6 looking better is the ONLY reason this thing will exist
it will be able to make every game look better but ok
*running stable 60fps
It's crazy how Sony thinks this is necessary when devs have barely scratched the surface with the current systems
They don't think it's necessary. They just want more money.
@@JimTheCuratorBut they sell their consoles at a loss. It’s literally less money. It’s not like they don’t have a “next-gen” console out there to play games on. My only other thought would be they’re worried people will think “Xbox is the most powerful console so I’ll buy GTA 6 there” (if it is, I don’t recall). But the series S is selling more, and most people are just buying for GamePass which is definitely not getting GTA 6. So I have no clue why they think they need it.
@@mrshmuga9 The only thing I can really think of is that they've sunk too much money into this via R&D or something else and they feel as though they _have_ to release it at this point.
@@BenoHourglass #shareholders
@@mrshmuga9Not really they sell consoles at a profit, your info is out of date.
I play on PC, however I know that Rockstar will not release GTA 6 for another year on PC. I can't wait that long to play the game. So I'll be getting the Pro for the exact reason you stated, for the best possible way to play that game on release- and any other exclusives Sony drops before and after then.
We're gonna have 8k consoles before we get 120fps.
That sounds horrendous
Im definitely that “late to the party” demographic Wimzu mentioned. I’ve been waiting to get a PS5 until there were enough games I was interested in, so the pro is pretty attractive to me.
Same. I'm tempted to get the Pro, but it's so scummy that R* is again purposefully withholding a PC port to get you to double dip later.
@@President_MarioElaborate
@@AJayZyHe’s saying that he thinks rockstar’s strategy is to make people buy the console release and then when the pc release comes out people will all buy that because it’s better hence the double dip
@@U9DATE I kinda read it that way as well but I’m confused as to how it has anything to do with getting the Pro?
@@AJayZyit means that not only will rockstar use that strategy, you will end up with a console you paid a lot of money for to play th game you want to play, only for it to get a better PC port that people flock to.
The gaming industry has gone nuts.
My guess is the Steam Deck came out and made Sony realize that the Switch wasn't a fluke, but Sony still had the PS5 Pro in dev and couldn't throw away all that development money. So now they're rushing out the pro and making plans for the future, whether that's a handheld console or something else we haven't anticipated yet like a VR heavy console push.
Not saying the Steam Deck has them quaking in their boots, but Microsoft seems to be making a handheld so it's possible Sony is trying to eat their lunch again.
Bro it sold 3 million copies, how would that make them shiver and quake, the meta quest 2 sold over 20 million units.
@@oo--7714the demand for handhelds is still there. Switch made a good start which inspired many to hop on the handheld market as gaming on the go is growing strong. It makes a lot of sense for Sony now working on a handheld to run PS4 and PS5 games natively instead of through remote play. Only thing left is for Sony to NOT use those proprietary memory cards again that they did with Vita and just allow SD cards that both the Switch and Steamdeck are using
@@oo--7714 As I said, Microsoft is making a hand-held which is Sony's direct competitor. You should read the whole comment before responding.
@@dandrelowery3714 Power has never won a console race, and we're at the point that handhelds are approaching PS4 Pro level graphics (I personally think realistic simulation graphics plateaued at the PS4). So I think handheld consoles will just be default in the future, because if you actually wanted blisteringly realistic graphics you'd make a $2000 PC.
@@dandrelowery3714The switch didn’t sell because it’s also a handheld it sold because Nintendo games are good.
You can have pretty graphics and 60 fps
No. Feels like we haven’t maxed out the normal ps5. This generation has been slow. As it’s Easter Sunday ~ The tomb is empty. Christ is King. Happy Easter ✝️
it cant be maxed the PS5 is weak its a gloriffied PS4 PRo with RTX
they made us finance the PS5 PRo and buy it ... GG in marketing SONY
I dont understand why there is no major CPU upgrade. The PS5 is already CPU limited most of the time. I wouldve rathered they make it a more balanced product than the PS5 rather than increasing the deficit between the GPU and CPU.
The CPU isn't the problem, It's already as good as it is for an Embedded Device, It's how the Memory is used from the CPU to other parts of the system for an operation, and that varies from developers to developers, that's why games on higher end PCs (probably like 5% of the market) run better cause they have that headroom which ultimately bottlenecks like literally everyone else
@@ireallydontknowifiamhonest bro phones have faster cpus atm, well only the a17 pro but still, my rog ally has a better cpu. They could have definitely put something more modern in it. The cpu was ok 4 years ago. Now not so much.
@@oo--7714 for the A17 you are just forgetting how efficient the ARM architecture is in comparison to x86, also for the ROG Ally, despite it having a newer APU it can't actually hit the performance the PS5 targets mainly cause the Z1 Extreme can't hit the same TDP as the PS5 due to being underclocked to not overheat and have a decent battery life and also cause the PS5 is quite efficient with it's kernel and the ROG Ally out of the box is just running Windows. A Newer CPU/APU doesn't always result in better performance, you also gotta know how to use it's full potential
It's actually more GPU limited in most games. Look at how low the resolution gets in some games.
@@ireallydontknowifiamhonest the apu is way weaker than a ps5. It has 4tflops, close to the series s. The performance of the series s s better in most titles but not all, Palworld, immortals of aveum, brothers tales of two sons remake all run better on the ally.
If the PS5Pro comes out, I hope they have affordable upgrade trade-in specials for OG PS5s.
There are multiple Teraflops numbers! half single and double precision, ray tracing, tensor calculations and I'm sure there will be more in the future. They don't take explain which metric they use. It's somewhat easy to know based on performance but the way the gaming companies use it it's nothing more than marketing
Ps5 was out of stock for so long. Even though its in stock now pretty much everywhere, I've heard so often "i'm not going to buy a ps5 now because as soon as I buy one, they'll release the ps5 pro"
One day they will realize that getting a console in every home that can still have backwards playablity is way better than selling only a few overly expensive units which need you to buy every game over again.
I'm still rocking the ps2 and I'm not planning on upgrading until gta 6
Based
just emulate at that point
@@DANTE_PlZZA the original experience is usually better than emulation as you're playing the exact way it was always intended, no HD is kind of a downside though
If I was trapped on a desolat island that somehow had a source of electricity, and I had my 500 favourite ps2 games and the console, I would be happy with the legendary ps2 untill I die. The ps2 is the KING of consoles. Todays consoles feel awfully semi-PC like, and that defeats the purpose of what makes a classic console. The ps3 is the HD peak, everything since is just pushing the thresholds of standards already posted by ps3❤
@srdjanstevanovic4245 W take. Consoles really lost their personality this generation. Xbox's whole gimmick is being a PC-like console, just more affordable and accessible, and that's fine as their thing, but PlayStation now too? The last generation we had with all of the big three on the top of their game was the seventh which ended 12 years ago.
Gta 6 is gonna sell, it could have a Cyberpunk release and people would still eat it up. The name GTA sells like nothing else on this planet. Everytime a new GTA releases it is literally the best selling game ever.
Watch GTA6 be a unfinished dumpster fire. That's when the draft begins.
@@trippybruh1592You are insane if you think rockstar is gonna release the game unfinished lol
An old maxim I heard years ago was "Rockstar could crap in a box and it'd fly off the shelves". Crazy how the more things change the more they stay the same.
@@trippybruh1592the draft?
@@user-hq6kn5vp2q Wishful thinking lol
Ik this was just a tangent but…
Damn gta 5 was a letdown. I got it on x360 and never bought another copy as a matter of principle.
Then they never released an expansion and botched the online mode with shark cards.
Couldn’t care less abt gta 6 after seeing how that all went down.
It's for console crowds that somehow cares about performance numbers like PC master race snobs, but on console.
Which is good tbh i think the ps5 pro could both raise the floor and ceiling with perfomance which could help raise the standard of optimisation for the current ps5
If ps5 pro cant hit 60 fps on new games i dont see much reason for it to be bought unless if it had more storage as ps5 barely has 1tb of storage & games are way too big such as battlefront 2 being twice size of original game & it being port. Pro can sell if they bundle it w gta 6.
dont know if u missed it but the vast majority of games have 60fps performance modes now. ps5 pro will just make them look and run better.
there is no every game must be 60fps on ps5 pro rule
I’ve been wanting to get a ps5 nut when it released it was unavailable and by time it did I started to hear rumors about a pro version so I’ve been waiting for that to release so I could get either that or to see if the base console price drops due to the pro release
Everything about this generation from Sony and Microsoft has been so weird. Between series s holding back a lot of games, and my ps5 mostly being for playing upgraded ps4 games, im mad at how expensive this hobby is.
I’m starting to get to the point where I’m heavily considering saying fuck console gaming and make the transition to fully going pc
tbh I think the series s was a savior. Brought game developers down to Earth when requirements are ballooning despite games getting simpler.
@@MrLeerolljankins you won't regret it, i can assure you that.
Series S doesn't hold back games my bro, if anything it's the only thing this entire gen (outside of the Switch) that forces developers to actually optimize the games, and this is a net win for everyone. Devs should be optimizing the way they are doing for the S on EVERY console, of course there is so much ridiculous processing overhead already that there is pretty much no need to do that. Imagine if machines were taken to the limit the way Xbox360 and PS3 were... the PS5 and Series X could last over a decade before they get maxed out if games were actually buing built with optimiziation in mind. We haven't even reached anything close to the wall with the Series S coming up on 4(!) years into this gen.
And then xbox had a idea, and said hey lets copy what sony is doing!. "Lets make xbox series pro" for no damn reason cuz the box we built already is claimed to be the most powerful box ever created.
Something tells me there might be a high chance that the PS5 pro could be a success since the original PS5 was hard to get because Sony launched it during the pandemic and whenever people tried to get one it usually runs out of stock.
Hopefully the PS5 pro can easily help them some more units so everyone will be able to get one, Along with that I still want them to support the PS4 as well.
Sure, everyone tends to move on to the next generation of consoles, but the fact that Sony was able to keep the PS4 alive and continued its support really helps a bunch of people who are unable to get a PS5.
By the end of the day, as long as it doesn't get screwed up it should be fine!
There are way more games that run way below 30 fps than the handful mentioned
Just because some have unlocked frame rates or have 60 fps "performance modes," doesnt mean they come anywhere close to that.
Baldur's Gate 3 for instance, the last 40% of the game struggles to hit 30 fps, and with awful frame timing. Same with FFXVI. They prioritize 30 fps, then the performance modes are there to get people to shut up until launch.
Just because we like these games, doesn't mean they're actually running at a consistent 60 fps.
"8K console"?
Then why the fuck does it say 8K on the PS5 box?
No need to sweat
Because Marketing lies and people are dumb and dont do research.
The biggest misconception in this whole debate is what dictates what. If a console sells well it's going to be used as performance target for game development. The games are going to use everything they can from the target hardware, the games are built to always be at target max capacity, but not over it. As long as the hardware remains the best seller, it will remain the target, and games will comply to it. That's why older consoles refuse to die, much more people have the old one, so for years games continue to use it as target. It's actually Sony's job to create a compelling reason for people to buy the new console, and only after people move to the new platform devs start to abandon the old one.
I can't wait to upgrade my PS5 to PS5Pro to replay some graphically demanding games like Stardew Valley, Hades, Dead Cells and even PS exlcusive Bloodborne that is still locked at 30fps
14:17 FF16 would also technically be on this list. It's performance modes were shoehorned in late into development which is why if you've played it, even with all the patches, the 30fps fidelity mode is still the best way to play it because that is what it was originally designed for. VRR helps with the performance modes but it is incredibly inconsistent on anything other than fidelity mode.
a lot of games have poor performance modes that would potentially get better with the pro
Sony made a pretty big mistake by releasing so many cross-gen games. PS5 might end up being the first Sony console I skip just because there are so few PS5 games, and the ones that I care about like Elden Ring are still coming to my PS4 Pro.
Wasn't their last cross gen game HFW? Everything else has been current gen only as far as 1st party games go.
If anything you should be mad at companies like Fromsoft, Atlus, Sega, Activision, Bandai, and Ubisoft for continuing to support last gen.
Sony is not gonna miss you mate
I say yes, because Sony didn't said that there won't be a PS5pro. Sony could've boosted sales for the PS5 massively by stating that there won't be a PS5pro and that they commit to the PS5, but they kept silent, or nobody was asking if there will be a PS5pro so they won't commit to the PS5 and there will be a Pro. It's all about seeing patterns and I hope that when the PS6 is announced that more ppl immediately ask if there will be a PS6 Pro, because then Sony has to honest and there will be a PS6 Pro or they're breaking their silence and they commit to the PS6.
I'm sure at least a decent percentage of Sony owners "upgrading" are going to be kinda pissed at the very marginal improvement they spent to "upgrade" and some might even stop buying consoles altogether, I know I would lol it's hard nowadays to not see how much better PC gaming is and any reasonable person that has enough money for a PS5 "upgrade" will decide to start spending money towards a PC instead
3:14 The upscaler should be exciting (for those who bother with the pro). I have a Sony TV that has upscaling tech that works on _all_ channels/devices/inputs and it’s awesome! Switch games don’t look blurry on a 65” 4k tv no more, looks great for DVD’s, and even the PS5menu that’s native 4k looks sharper with it enabled. Honestly, just buy the TV instead since it applies to everything, not just PS5 games.
7:01 - There is no better combination of Stock Footage + Narration
PS5 Pro gives Sony a new, premium priced box that will sell a few million units to existing and new customers.
The millions of existing PS5s replaced, will be sold on. This will expand the userbase. The used price of the PS5 will drop, with millions more consoles on the market, so more people will buy in, and then buy games.
PS5 is guaranteed to be the console that sells the most copies of GTA VI, so using this game to sell even more PS5s is a pretty good strategy, really.
Sony aren't profiting on the console (at least not to any significant degree), so anything they can do to increase the base of consoles is going to be their goal. More games and peripherals sold, more PSN subscriptions. Those are the profits.
I consider myself a rather hardcore gamer, and gotta be honest, I don't want 60fps most of the time.
As long as it doesn't look like a slideshow, I'm happy. Of course more frames the better, but I'll happily pump my graphics settings to Ultra as long as performance stays above 22fps.
19:10 If MS decides to skip XBox mid-gen "pro refresh", the question that will be asked is: Is XBox going to be killed off? This question has been asked for the 696727th time by gaming "journalists". Still have not happened yet.
Xbox won’t die any time soon, its MS only division that has a major stake in an insanely profitable industry. Hell a good amount of the reason MS bought ABK was because they didn’t want any other company to shoehorn its way into the industry through it.
Honestly, if you really cared about performance or high specs, you wouldn't be on console. You'd be on PC where you have more control over those variables.
I remember talking to a guy who had a powerful gamer laptop (for those years standards) about a game i liked and i suggested he should give it a try, the first thing he asked wasn't what the game was about or what kind of gameplay it had but rather how the good the graphics looked. I internally rolled my eyes and slowly stopped the conversation then left.
We don't need new consoles. We need GAMES. I miss the 360 era so much. Look at previous Gen game libraries compared to modern game libraries. Gaming needs a revolution. Games once utilized gameplay mechanics that proved to be timeless. It's a game, get right to the point, then focus on doing what u want really well. We should never stop taking inspiration from previous games. Timeless games don't need hyper realistic graphics. Some of the best games have unique art styles. Anytime i say this someone in the comments always says: "well we have indie games" but my point is CONSOLES need access to these kinda games. PC's have steam & tons of access to a unique selection of creative projects. Look at the Game Library of the most recent game consoles? It's NOTHING like the PS2, N64, PS1, Xbox, GameCube, Dreamcast, 360, PS3, etc. Games that are inspired by previous generations designs shouldn't take so long to make, they won't cost so much to make and they are proven they can be timeless. Hopefully we see a resurgence of pure nerdy passion & focus from devs if they're allowed just focus onto a smaller passion project. Especially with today's technological advancements. Previous games should still inspire newer games no matter how far into the future we go. We shouldn't leave those unique aspects of game designs in the past. Hopefully the struggles of modern day triple AAA games will organically change back towards a better direction.
If the specs were actually good and made a decent enough performance boost, then that would legitimize getting a pro model. The specs on this aren't just underpowered and don't really make any difference to the games played on it, but very overpriced when compared to the specs of the first model. Overall, it just feels like a cash grab set up by Jim Ryan on his way out to give himself a nice big bonus.
money...mid gen refreshes defeat the point of one coherent ecosystem when the devs have to otimize for two different consolee generation at the same time...
PC makes more sense at this point
No actually there is a reason that console makers now decided to have two models of power.
The maker of this video doesn't realize it ether.
The whole purpose is to hold developers in check.
By having a based system and a stronger one you force the developer to make a game that can be played on the lower system with the result of the more powerful system being able to get better frame rates and resolution.
The developer has to put an upper limit on how detailed and heavy the graphics can be based on the weaker system so the extra power of the stronger system is utilized on fps and resolution and only minor extra graphical details.
Ye it is a bit of extra work for devs. But it's easier to scale up than scale down , like for the series S for example.
@@SIPEROTH This doesn't make any sense, sorry. The detailed and heavy graphics is *exactly* what entices normal majority gamer consumers to buy consoles and AAA games. To hold that back is to hurt the most visible and powerfull reason to buy newer games, hurting the profits. The consoles themselves are already the mechanism that holds developers in check, buy giving them a computer that will have a set of fixed specs for the next 8 years to develop and optimize for. They should then maximize all they can do within the boundaries of this computer. If most people prefer 4K@60fps over 2K@120fps, so be it. Having a weaker console means the development will be maximized by it instead. So the Xbox Series X S will never develop beyond the Series S.
If I was to make a PS5 pro, I would add to it, namely put in it what is needed to play the first three PlayStation system on it. Mix that with renewed access to digital and physical games being useable, I would rebuy that.
Teraflops are just the next version of the bit wars, the number doesn't matter because they'll just keep saying it's larger
Why is whimsu always chilling in the pool?
No games pro
I have a PS4 with two broken controllers and a 4k TV. I just want the 4k blue ray player and the fun triggers.
It'll be really interesting to see when the full transition from PS4 to PS5 is "done". Honestly, at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if it takes basically the console's entire lifespan for that to happen, especially since the Switch 2 is probably going to have a lot of developers making (roughly) 8th-gen level versions of their games as long as they feasibly can. Same way you saw a lot of sibling Wii/PS2 versions of games in the later 2000s.
RIP console market.
I'm shocked that the consoles haven't been relegated to streaming apps that are natively embedded into the "OS" that runs your TV
@@spartaninvirginia Believe me, they tried. The tech is just not there yet.
Our last resource is Switch 2, but even i'm doubting it will save this gen in anyway
TFW nintendo's release schedule accelerated into being a gen higher than the other 2 on paper
That was the Polish national anthem during the ad.
I approve.
The concern I have is that the defacto target for PS5 could bump 40% as devs start targeting the Pro, which then makes everything in the tail end of the PS5 cycle a sub-30 mess. That then allows them to position whatever PS6 we get as some sort of amazing framerate machine but that's skeevy stuff
I bought my ps4 slim December of 2020 or 2021. I have no need to upgrade yet. It still has great games and all I need to do is drop a 2 or 3tb ssd and enjoy a smoother ui and load time experience. Idk if I’ll even get a ps5. Maybe when the next generation comes out just to say I have one.
For GTA VI
i own a ps5 but all the games i play are +5 years old
but as I've never owned a ps4, ps3, for me I'd say it's still worth it
Except the PS5 can't even play most PS3 games...
@@spiral7399 i did consider signing up to ps plus for ps2 games as i did not have ps2 either 🤨
I'm one of the casuals patiently waiting for the pro to release. I've never played a GTA and it doesn't appeal to me. I just want to replay Bloodborne and have the load times be less miserable every time I die.
Can someone explain to me why 45 fps isn't standard, or even an option on a lot of games?
I'm SICK of console developers not prioritizong frame rate.
Get ready for a deluge of comments saying "the human eye can't see past x fps!" "30fps is fine!" and my personal favorite, "24fps is cinematic!"
I came into this hobby as a normie not caring about 30 fps, and I'm still a normie but care only a little more
@@curbyour____9506 PC games have been running at 60 FPS for over a DECADE. PC games have been running at 120 FPS for the last 5 years! There is no excuse anymore for a ps5 game to not be running at 60 FPS.
@@DammitBobby Isn't PS5 basically a $400 PC though
@@curbyour____9506 technically it runs better then a PC you could build for the same price. There is nothing about the specs of the ps5 that prevents developers from making sure their games run at 60 FPS. The only reason they don't is because they choose to prioritize graphical fidelity that can only run at 30 FPS strictly for the sake of marketing
it is for me who owns ps4
I hope you talk about the recent Microsoft studio closings because man just seeing this news break out today really breaks my heart and I would have like to see your opinions and other info you could find about it
i guess you finally figured out a schedule for this channel
I hate every pc players take that "console players are stupid and they like bigger number so they will buy new version" I'm on ps5 because that's where all my friends are. And I work on a pc all day the last thing I wanna do is go home and sit back down at a desk.
When you say that, you have to realize that the majority of people that buy games don't buy *good* games and they also don't do research if a game performs well or not. Case in point, modern 2K and modern CoD games, both of which release unoptimized and broken consistently outsell their predecessors. So yes, gamers go "oohh shiny" when they see bigger numbers like "8K console" because it's the easiest thing to market to. You can't make that argument for sitting at a PC desk when a lot of people have their PS5's hooked up to a desk anyways, and PC gaming is easier on a couch than ever
@GoodlyPenguin my man, did you not see where I wrote "thats where all my friends are"? My other reason is I don't wanna be at a desk, I have a pc hooked up to my TV and a steam deck as well. I understand how that shit works, but I prefer the streaming and ui of ps5, and I'd rather play with my friends on ps5.
I personally don't understand the madden and cod community, but those games aren't meant for me. And ps5 obviously isn't meant for you. I hate that we all diss on each other for liking something that the other doesn't. I personally don't like gaming on PC, I play some games with some friends but my main group is on ps5 and that's why I stay in the end
Most won't buy the new/"bigger numbers" version(the consoles with the bigger numbers have never won a console generation race). 99% of the game/console buying public doesn't know nor care what the numbers are. They'll buy the best value version, because they always buy the cheapest/base version. Pro versions don't sell in really big numbers (unless you count the Gameboy color as a pro version or not), always just a minor slice of a consoles sales. it's just something for the hardcores/ the fanboys/the enthusiasts, not the general consumer. The people who feel they need to have the best version of something.
@thebamb00zler6 You're right about the PS5 not being for me despite me owning since the first 6 months of release. I only played Fortnite on it once I realized there weren't many good Japanese exclusive games on it. I had a great time playing FF XIV on PS5 since it plays beautifully on the console, but it's not worth carrying the thing with me during travems. Nowadays I just play on my Switch and Guilty Gear Strive, Battlefield 4 and MW 2019 on PC since those have free online and are much supported to this day. I grew up with Playstation since the PS1, but I can't justify a reason for purchasing my PS5. I appreciate that you play with your friends on the console, and I admit it that it's just not the experience I want. The UI sucks imo, the way the base PS5 SSD space is barely over 800gb post day 1 firmware update, and little support for good exclusives kills me as a PS fan. I hope you enjoy the console further down the line, friend.
@GoodlyPenguin we all have our reasons for what we play on. I agree, the hardware on the ps5 is lacking, and not having ssd availability day one pissed me off because I bought a good one without researching first like a dumb ass, just for it to error out and crash. I'm happy we were able to immediately solve this little disagreement 🤣.
Polish anthem during the war thunder ad was kinda unexpected o O
I have a top of the line PC for work. Not a hardcore gamer, but I love GTA.
When I heard about the PS5 pro my first thought was I’ll buy that for GTA 6. For a year of GTA 6 I’ll pay $700 in a heartbeat.
Would putting 3d cache on the cpu be the best solution to the "modest cpu performance boost"?
I lost interest in PS5. Almost impossible to find a console the first 2 years and no games. I did buy an Xbox Series X and it just collects dust. Same issue, no games. Why would I want yet another $500 box with half assed support?
Nintendo Switch has been my regular system along with PC here and there.
Same here dude. I spend more time on my PC generating weird art while watching CZcams then gaming. I buy the bullet last week and bought a modded OG Xbox with EVERYTHING on it from Xbox, PS2, N64, etc. I miss games like Mech Assault and that Punisher game was super badass when I was a kid.
it hurts me that gta 6 won’t launch on pc, i spent almost 2 thousand dollars on my pc so id never have to get a console again, yet gta 6 wont launch on pc. I don’t wanna spend 500 dollars on a console just for one game i refuse to.
The standard PS5 promised 120fps, yet 3, maybe 4 games ever delivered. I miss the times where devs made miracles with outdated or outright weak hardware
it never promised 120fps in all games. It was cabable of playing games at 120hz. Capable means the devs could make a 120fps if they wanted to
@@dante19890 Yeah, Sony said "guys, you can make games run at 120fps" and devs heard "so we don't need to optimize anything anymore? DEAL!!! 30fps it is!"
@CrashD6 you can't make 120fps with the most advanced maxed out graphics on console.
To make a 120fps game you have to make a lot of visual compromises or a more simple game.
If u push graphical fidelity on console 30fps is always what we gonna get. Even with ps6
ALLM and VRR options toggled plus 120Hz mode from settings will incrase the fps even more no visual compromise
it can do FPS but with gimmicks
@@notoriousbig3k no it wont ALLM and VRR doesnt increase fps
In all honesty as long as GTA VI can do a locked 40 FPS I'm pretty happy. The jump from 30 to 40 FPS is absolutely MASSIVE and does wonders for making a game feel substantially more responsive. As long as they can do that, I'd consider picking up GTA IV. But if it's only 30 I will 100% pass.
60fps or bust.
yeah this is an insane take to have in current year bro.
@@spartaninvirginia got bad news for you...
@spartaninvirginia im busting 😫💦
@@rewpertcone8243 60 is the minimum. If the next console can't run games at 60fps, it's not worth buying.
I’m on the fence on the next generation of console gaming because these game publishers are squeezing the life out of a hobby that used to be fun.
I don't care about upgrade, i just want a PlayStation that doesn't look fucking stupid
The PS4 Pro was made because Sony false advertised a PS4 with 1080p 60hrz, and the console was 900p. So the Pro was made to have 1080p output and higher frame rate. The PS5 also false advertises 8k gaming, so again they have to make a console with 8k gaming. PS5 plays 8k below 30fps. The PS4 has a 1.8GPU and the Pro has a 4.0GPU, so it's twice as big for twice the frame rate to hit 60fps on most games. PS5 PRO has a 2.0 RDNA that runs about 1.8, so they need RDNA 4 or 5 to double the PS5 Pro power. Plus Sony has a patent on Blu Ray disc, and they made a new disc that holds mpre storage, so they csn pit a whole game on a disc. PS5 might get a new disc drive to play these new disc. If they can put a whole game on a PS5 PRO disc it will sell. Also PSVR2 could benefit from a PS5 PRO with higher stable frame rate.
No the PS4 pro was made to take better advantage of 4k tvs
*They hated Whimsu because he told them the truth.*
"Consoles are designed and sold for the casual market"
"Shut up!"
Honestly I dont play many AAA games or online shooters so I honest to god could not tell you 90% of the time if any game I'm playing is running at 30 or 60 FPS. I dont get motion sick either and outside of really intense games where I need all the information I can get I've probably gamed at 30 fps and 300 fps in th esame day without noticing
I still have teens playing the latest FC24 at 4k on an Xbox One X in my house, so leaping to this new Pro means nothing. Like you said, most current generation titles run on PS4, so why upgrade now? Good video.
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