Dani Pedrosa BLAMES Marc Marquez for Honda PROBLEMS IN 2024! | MotoGP News
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#danipedrosa admits that during their time at #honda he and Marc Marquez had different viewpoints on teamwork.
For six seasons, Pedrosa and Marquez were teammates with Repsol Honda, but it was the younger man who became as the team's top rider and voice.
"In our team, HRC, at least, it was like this: the person who goes the fastest is the number one; they also choose the parts while helping to decide the direction,"
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What are your thoughts, is Dani Pedrosa right? Is it because of Marc Marquez that the Honda is performing bad this season?
Let us know in the comments down below ⬇
I think this kind of things are normal in this sport.
The same happened to Mercedes in F1
You miss a couple of years of a good development and you are done.
And please Marc is not a traitor he gives his health and almost his life fornthe brand.
And i know if Honda makes the things right Marc will return because they love eachother.
I had the same thoughts just like Dani's experience. No.1 is the team and not the riders or individual alone. Ducati just overcome the problems or years before it is proved. Every Ducati's rider is competitive. They succeed.
Honda n Yamaha can't mess up at the same time.these two factories got the new aero engines wrong.dont blame any rider.they had it wrong in f1 n bounced back so they should do same in motor gp
ill say its Honda's fault and indirect also Marquez his fault.
Honda listened to much to one rider, that a mistake Honda made.
They listened to too many riders
@@pravesh736 no, they listen to much to probably one rider and also many riders.
in other words, honda cant decide for them selfs what best for the bike, they fully rely on the input of the rider.
ducati for example listens to many rider, they dont seem to have that problem right?
@@pravesh736fook me ..can you not hear what all.the HRC riders said ....ffs...listened to 1 bellend only
Honda was too focused in achieving win streak in just 1 rider.
No they looked to much at telemetry data. Cant say they listed to one rider Marc was missing for two seasons so saying they listed to a guy who’s not even present is asinine at its fullest.
After all problem went thru by Honda, Marc just leave the HRC. So, the team had to rebuild them back from factory to satelite.
Dani made that Honda as good as it could be so when Marc and Stoner got to ride it it was all ready perfect. Dani had done all the years and hard work to get it to that point
Totally agree, dani is a spectacular analyst
And now is doing so on the KTM, which is a breath behind the Ducati... Next year they might be at the same level... Is gonna be a interesting 2025!! Nevertheless... I don't think Honda situation is Marc's fault...
Sure and it was the same bike for 6 years right? Not like marc was a big point in hondas biggest succses over many years. And then he gets injured and honda is bad after just one year cause no one was developing
@@57WorksCompany yeah i’d argue it’s both that and dani went to ktm, marc did his part but saying honda wasnt the best when he joined is just wrong. Marc got the best bike and with dani kept it the best with yamaha close second. It’s a bit different from acosta this year which can be as good as marc but cant win the championship cuz ktm is less powerful than ducati (and it would be dumb to say otherwise)
@@kivori3438 where do you get the i formation that honda was the best bike. Who were always 2. and 3. behind marquez. And was pedrosa actually a test rider of honda after he leaved?
Yes agreed with dani
Dani is a legend, a great person and there's some truth in making Marc involuntarily "guilty" of a certain path HRC took during 2017, 18, 19 years that were the most crucial ones.
I say that cause Livio Suppo himself said Dani struggles and complains about the bike started in late 2017 and you can see what happened to him the following year (drop in performances and retire) and what happened to Jorge in 2019 (difficult start, massive crashes and retire for him too).
They both top 10 all time material, therefore if such class riders fail to go somewhere with a damn HRC bike and they end with a retire, we can understand how things with that bike became totally shitty.
On the other hand, it's quite understandable if a manufacturer focuses on the main star rider (who in this case is just not a great rider, a champion or an all time legend...cause we are talking about a goat contender, deal with it).
Certainly it wasn't and won't be the first time these things happen.
Dani, if we want to say things for what they are, should be more honest on intellectual plane, cause he forgot that HRC did something similar even in his favour, when he was a B2B 250cc WC, had a great rookie season in MotoGP and Honda revolutionized the RCV late Nicky Hayden won the WC with, making it way smaller and unrideble for Nicky himself til the point the Kentucky Kid left and went to Ducati.
Coming back to us, the real turning point of this Honda mis-evolution was the after race of Barcellona in 2019.
Lorenzo had an overall better weekend on Friday and Saturday, compared to previous he had in his first ones as a Tokyo rider and had a stellar couple of laps before that infamous massive mistake.
In those laps we saw glimpses of another Honda rider potentially on same level as Marc and Jorge built in his mind the idea of a momentum somehow changed, with the following tests that would have built the missing part of his confidence and relationship with Honda.
But Jorge had another dangerous crash in those tests and another one, even bigger, in Assen on Friday, and the process of building a Honda-B development path to accomodate both Marc and Jorge riding styles fell apart, since Jorge for a while couldn't ride, came back after several weeks full of questions in his mind, raced as a shadow of himself and then decided to retire.
Those months imho have been crucial, since a fully fit Lorenzo would have asked for a bike less oriented on the front end and more focused on the rear.
The process would have started with a right timing. Keep in mind that, it will be helpful.
For 2020 season, Honda chose brother Alex as Marc teammate and clearly it was a move also oriented to gain leverage with Marc entering contract year and potentially targeted by Ducati.
Right after Marc had the horrific crash in Jerez, the bike stopped any kind of reasonable evolution (Marc out, Alex being a rookie unable to give strong inputs) but when Marc return to form around mid 2021, the bike kept and still managed to have with quite ""success"" its nature, even if everything became more and more problematic for new teammate Pol.
RCV kept fitting, surrounded by a MotoGp engineering eco-system that was changing in many aspects, in its raw and few strong points, Marc riding style (even though clearly not at his best for the injury, the surgeries and the hiatus), providing three wins.
Here is the key moment of the saga: we are closing the 2021 season and Honda made it clear, exposing the decision that was made.
Time to make things easier both for unhealthy Marc and Pol Espargaro.
They took the chapter of the book Jorge wanted to write, following Pol this time and building actually a different bike.
In fact, during first tests of 2022 pre-season, Pol was enthusiast, while Marc said how he had to adapt to a whole new machine.
In Qatar Pol outshined Marc, leading laps and ending third, while Marc had a grey fifth place.
Unfortunately for Honda, the chapter they were trying to write, had a release in the worst possible moment, that was the one while Ducati and Aprilia were optimizing and maximizing their knowhow, solutions and development about aero specs, lowering devices, winglets and other stuff, elements that were becoming every day more dominant in the new gen of MotoGP bikes.
Honda found itself following a road that was to start in mid 2019, but with two years of delay and exactly when other manufacturers started earlier to then understand better something more advanced and impactful.
The result was a bike that lost the few strongs points it had, failed to become better for other riders cause other brands advanced too much on a path they already took (remember how around mid 2022 also Yamaha became suddenly inferior to Ducati and Aprilia, with Fabio losing all the advantage in standings, cause those bikes maximized the development curve of their innovative natures, a nature they had chosen around 2020-21) and obviously created issues even for Marc, who lost the favorable traits and didn't get any improvement from a bike on the rear end, when others started from that philosophy before, developed more and better.
Last years the bike became even worse for everybody, but it was just a natural consequence of all this chaos.
Marc kept over-riding it, going over all the possible limits and fortunately nothing tragic happened cause the situation at some point looked out of control, but again, with him being sidelined for other events and other riders constantly crashing and being injured (last year Bradl and Lecuona risked to have more entries than Marc, Joan and Alex) the bike that was forced on one style to be tough for everybody, became a bit aged for your unhealthy star, was remodeled two years later to end in a nobody land...became a total liability.
In the end, what can we say?
I believe that everything went in the worst possible way for Honda, losing even Marc, but how many would have acted as Marc was just one of the riders, how many would have listened to everybody, when you could believe also that maybe Dani was bit in his twilight years?
I believe the turning point was the relationship with Jorge.
Had Jorge not been injured, maybe the turn around of the bike would have started in a proper moment, without too much ground to recover.
Totally untrue! Ducati was in the same position honda are today about 5-6 years ago in (vale ere then). Then Moto GP race direction let Ducati have handicaps to bring them to the level of honda and Yamaha , and personally I think this is where honda and other teams have suffered and the Ducati have run away with it and took all the credit
Cant blame Honda. They were listening to the rider that gave results to his inputs and won races
Yes, up until pre season 2020. But after that (which is when Honda got really bad) Marc had little input. He was injured all of 2020 and missed all of the 21 preseason (he didn't start racing until the third round). Then in 21 he still won 3 races. My memory could be failing me but I believe he missed the fall test where they test the new bikes for the next year. But I know he missed the last 2 rounds and the post-season Valencia test that year. Then in 2022 Honda comes up with an all new bike that was a rear biased bike. Marc talked about how he didn't like the bike as he prefers a front biased bike (so obviously it was NOT designed around what Marc wanted) and Pol (in the pre-season) loved the bike. Pol did well in the pre-season and at the first race. But after that the results just kept getting worse for everyone and Honda has been in a hole since then. So when Honda really fell apart was during covid shutdowns in Japan and while Marc was injured.
Not true, Honda focused on MM even though he cannot develop a bike for sales reasons and hype and allowed the MM incl his father to call the shots. What happened was the bike could only be ridden by MM but then slowly but surely the bike became uncompetitive ultimately with MM moving on to a bike someone else has developed. If Ducati do the same the Ducati will become uncompetitive. MM is an incredible talent spoilt by ego and a dominating father, hopefully Ducati will control that and MM can show his talent not his bike development talent.
@@grahamcrighton8113If honda made a bike only for marquez atleast he should have rode it well post 2019. The fact that even marq struggled indicates bike wasn't to his liking and points towards issues with the manufacterer. It's not rocket science unless you want to blindly hate somebody.
@@Freethinker328 - interesting comment, I don’t hate MM he’s an incredibly talented rider but not a good development rider, that was my point, interestingly enough, born out by Dani Pedrosa’s recent interview comments. Honda focused too much on what MM wanted and as it turned out it was the wrong direction, it’s understandable as MM was getting the wins and headlines… but… it doesn’t always develop the bike as an overall package. Hater… no, I am no MM fan but his ability as a rider is undeniable but not for development.
Danny's bike had to be made smaller just for him,the notion that the honda is shit because they developed the bike for the faster rider is nonsense he left because it was shit,
Well it depends. Dani is right that listening only to Marc resulted in a bike only he could ride. But as of 2019 he was more dominant than ever. Even in the first race of 2020 he was extremely fast. Honda didn't stop getting results until Marc was injured, then while he was injured and had no input to the direction of the bike, Honda started to attempt to develop a bike that others could ride and they ended up with a bike that nobody can ride, not even Marc. So the blame really falls on Honda.
Spot on
Marquez was employed as a rider not a developer. It was Honda's job to design and produce a fast bike and Marc's job to get the most he can out of it. Of course Honda were going to listen to what Marc needed to go faster but its up to them how they develop it and how much they let a rider influence the direction the bike goes in. Lets face it, if that back wheel hadn't have hit Marc's arm and broke it during that crash then the chances are his titles would be in double figures by now and and at least one rider might still be competitive on a Honda. The problem started after the crash when Honda tried to develop a bike that everybody could ride and ended up developing a bike that nobody could ride. I am sure some people would want to blame Marc for global warming but on the Honda front, he is not guilty.
I understand your emotions buddy but the facts tell something else Ducati has proven it, they developed a bike based on the feedback from Desmo Dovi, Andre Ianoni, Jorge Lorenzo, Daniel o Pedricci, Miller, Pecco, Martin, Zarco, Fabio digg, Bestianini, etc.
The best example of feedback and building a bike is even your Marc can ride it easily if Ducati would have built the bike around Pecco no other rider would have been able to extract the performance that they are doing, not even Marc.
And one more thing the showed Marc the middle finger that you do not belong to Ducati as you don't understand and respect the culture of Ducati.
Yamaha understood it way back when they started planning aggressively by hiring engineers, changing the work culture in the team, started taking feedback from Fabio and Rins because at the end they are riders who will be riding the machine if they feel good with the bike they will win races and eventually win championships for Yamaha.
The FACTS completely prove the opposite of what you just said and Ducati already loves Marc. FYI, Ducati 100% built Pecco’s bike for Pecco. Davide said so, and he also said that Martin’s bike is a 2024 Desmo but set up differently than Pecco’s. And, back when they built the bikes for Lorenzo, Dovi, etc they did NOT win championships.
Even with you being completely wrong, I understand your emotions.
@@rohitdixit415 As I said its up to Honda how much they let a rider influence the direction the bike went in. If they built it round Marquez thats Honda's mistake, Marc's not to blame. Also the bike became unrideable even for Marc so if they were obviously not developing it how he wanted it. Seems strange that Yamaha went downhill at the same time time as Honda, I am sure there is a conspiracy theory involving Marquez relating to that as well.
Thats not correct...Marcs injuries got worse cause he "opened a heavy Window" one week after the surgery...At least Alberto Puig and Marc told this nonsense to the press...while footage of his Training were already online...But who cares, it was just another lie. And as we know, Marc can break a contract if he like and Carmelo Ezpeleta will take care about his poster boy...But anyway Honda finally get what they deserve, thats what Karma is all about.
@@ianadams3820 Marquez himself admitting to all kinds of 'games', is such a turnoff for me... i mean we all understand riders want to be 'GODS' in a highly competitive sport but come on, using his 'royal' position to 'sabotage' a team mate (implicitly the team) is top tier egocentrism. such characters are almost never useful in the long run...
ps: some riders seem to believe the products we get come directly from the top racers. :)
those guys are all gods on two wheels but motorcycling would be just fine if they'd stop racing for a few years... there are test riders, there are engineers, there are many ppl involved in designing and building bikes besides the race teams.
End of the day it is business.It is natural for any manufacturer to be biased towards winners.If your focus is on bike development then probably you should be a test rider.On track, it’s all about who is faster & winning races.
Even after listening to other riders the Honda still not working. Honda is to blame
according to dani pedrosa,,yamaha lost by whom? rossi or lorenzo?🤣🤣 & marc just entered ducati,that was not developed for marc,but he has still rocks on ducati also...cmon dani its a god gift talent to marc,dont cry
Good joke
Nonsense. He was out for the best part of 2 years and he said honda were going in the wrong direction but he tried to stick with it
I would say Danni is 100% right you can't not develop a race bike just from the faster rider in the team you must listen to all inputs from each rider so for me Marc and Honda are to blame for this
Lets see next year, if Honda still on last position if you still blame Marc 🤣🤣
Yes you can and while Marc was healthy he was winning championships for Honda. It wasnt until he got hurt and Honda started developing without Marc that it went so badly for them. They started a whole new bike and look at them now. I think any manufacture would develop a bike around a rider that could do what Marc did for Honda.
Kkkkk bultshit , they have to hear the slow rider? Is marc fault be fast? Pedrosa and stoner aways blaming or talking about marquez...
Nope, only Honda in my opinion. Same with Yamaha. Nobody fault Fabio when Yamaha only listen to him
But now Yamaha is listening to both the riders and results are coming I hope you have seen the last 2 rounds.
Ducati is at the top because it considers data from all the riders, Aprilia doing the same, KTM doing the same. They all are listening to every rider who is on their bike to optimise the bike in the best possible way.
Marc 100% FAULT, this guy is so bad that at the same time he even managed to mess up the Yamanha bike wich coincidentaly is also a Japanese brand 😏😏
But keep going haters 🤣🤣
😂
He’s also the reason Suzuki left MotoGP. 🤪
Just stick to 500cc 2 stroke engines . There is already WSBK for 4 stroke engine development.
Just believe what Dani stated about the root of problem since Honda redesign their prototype belongs Marc riding style.
Marc: The winner takes it all😅
Good informative segment
Věřím jednoznačně Danimu protože pokud se podívám zpětně do roku 2015 kdy Dani se zachoval jako férový chlap a sportovec zatímco Marcovo jednání trochu připomínalo chování sovětských motokrosařů v roce 1974- Popenko, Mojsejev,… Marc jde za body…tituly bez jakýchkoliv ohledů na ostatní jezdce a pokud Luca Marini vypiplá Hondu aby byla lepší než Ducati,tak Marc poběží zpět k Hondě. Uznávám Marcovo jezdecké kvality, ale jako člověk…tam je to špatně. Danimu přeji hodně zdraví a velice rád se podívám jak poráží nové mladé jezdce- pokud dostane jako v minulosti příležitost.
Dani Pedrosa is right. He has always been an objective, humble, competitive and honest professional and a long career that all professional drivers respect speaks for him. His words must be listened to, just as Casey Stoner's words must be listened to.
Unfortunately, choices are not always guided by sporting competition alone, but by pure convenience. Unfortunately I believe that Ducati will pay a higher price for this choice than it has calculated
It's a very Common Mistake = A Good Developer Rider CAN feel changes that most 90% CAN'T !
Pedrosa has Shown HE CAN ! , perhaps it's his lightweight , lacking strength to tame á ride by pure force , but by setting up things
He's done it both at Honda and later at KTM.
He rarely makes Such statements, unless He's Dead Right , being Honest Humble and allergic to any Polemical controversy.
Honda will be back just like F1 they are winners wait for 2027 and they will make haters eat there words.Honda are good value and reliable like all Japanese vehicles and machinery
Everyone forgets that bike developments depends on the manufacturers alone, the riders just has an opinion on what is happening with the bike.
Marquez was mentioning all the time how Honda is going into the wrong direction more than 3 years ago.
Why would he compromise him self and develop a terrible bike
1:31 Yes Dovisioso also suffered but Honda are really to blame showing Marc total support.
Thank God,Dani did not say like yamaha has also lost by marquez🤣🤣
You hire a test riders for a reason, why put blame on someone else? Marc was paid to ride fast not to be a chief engineer.
since Honda left Aalst in Belgium to relocate in Barca downhill AF
Dani Pedrosa BLAMES Marc Marquez🤣🤣🤣
Marq is like Niki, winning mentality and Engineering with team, thats how you stay as world champio, he has that mentality
from 2020 until now MM93 no longer had big influence on the development of the Bike, after his crash in 2020, Honda listen to the other riders to improve the Bike to make it better and Honda said few times that all 4 Bikes are different because every rider wants a Bike where is better for him to ride. And then all the experts say without MM93 the Bike will be better to ride for the other riders and where is the Bike now without MM93???
MM93 made a real dog out of the bike that's why and Honda will not waste money now until 2027 then it will be like F1 all over again winners
It was too late by the time marquez hurt himself in 2020 ...they had gone down the wrong road for yrs .... he was the only one that could ride it ...unlike ducati who made a user friendly bike ..... and where does the rat 🐀 go 😂
@user-ce7xw3fx6q How could he develop a bike when he was hurt Not riding for like a year and a half?
He has already destroyed the bike so much that for other riders to develop a bike Honda has to start from scratch.
@@rohitdixit415. LOL. …that’s your explanation for the bikes being bad?! Never mind the 6 championships and constructors trophies because of Marc. When Honda stopped listening in 2020 the bike became rubbish. But, you think what you like….
I have a more pedestrian view on Honda woes in the racing world. I don’t believe Honda has passion about motorcycles in the longer. They want to build cars.
What happened to Honda in 2021? Marc wasn't riding due to injuries so why blame him? Honda made the mistakes and want to blame SOMEONE ELSE for their dramas.
How do we know? Both Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki went down a development deadend while Ducati, Aprilia and KTM didn't. Dani is just whining because he was always the bridesmaid never the bride 😅😅😅
I knew someone would come and say that Dani is always a sidekick.
I'll try to cover all your points.
1. What Happened in 2021?
- when a new year kicks off in MotoGP companies start focusing on developing new parts for the next years new bike so whatever Honda develops or test those parts will be seen on next year's bike.
So in 2021 bike was already developed as per Marc riding style that is why other riders failed continuously.
2. Why blame Marc he was injured?
- Did Marc shared his data with other riders in honda no, so they never knew where improve and where to improvise. Whereas in Ducati they share the data with every rider who is riding a Ducati so that they all can learn from each other and improve. Marc never shared the information.
3. Honda is playing the blame game?
- here I agree with you Honda do it they have done with Stoner, Dani and even Rossi so that is not new for us.
4. Yamaha Suzuki deadend?
- This I again disagree Suzuki left so I'll not talk about them but I'll talk about Yamaha.
Yamaha also had the behaviour of listening to one rider but they understood the hard way when Lorenzo and Rossi fued appeared Jarvis understood and changed the strategy when Vinalis came in. And now from 2022 they have improved their work culture, they are hiring engineers more aggressively.
They listen to both the riders feedback and we can see the results they are gaining points more then Honda inspite of having 4 bikes on the grid Yamaha is ahead in points table.
So before you say anything about the little samurai get your facts checked.
Dani is world champions in Moto 2 and Moto 3 and a multi time race winner in MotoGP and he has been counted as legend of the sport without even winning and MotoGP World Championship.
So Marc developed the 2022 bike in 2021 and he should have had no influence on the 2023 bike?
By the way, Dani is the greatest rider never to have won the championship. 6 times he had it at his finger tips but could never quite reach it. Just sad to watch him claim it was because he was a team player, what a weakass excuse and if true he never deserved the championship after all because MM93 and the rest play for blood.
@@rohitdixit415 that’s a lot of words to say nothing accurately. But, credit for being erudite while inaccurate.
Look at KTM's progress and it becomes abundantly clear that Dani knows how to develop and evolve a motorcycle.
Sure, after so many titles like Honda got with Marquez 😂
One of the reason i don´t live Marquz. Really undeniably talented, be a little c.nt as super selfish. Stoner and Pedrosa were much more professional and team focused. Honda is paying the price now for the Marquez mentality.
Riders crash, get back on their bikes, and still beat Honda! 😂
Exaktly.....👍
I dont see it as bad. Ok, Honda now have some catchup to do but, they did got 8 World Championships
This is 100% true
Look at the present
Honda went downhill without Dani
And KTM went from a joke to a top contender with Dani as test rider.
Needs to say nothing more.
And it's evident, look at where KTM are using his inputs!
He's just bitter. Manufacturers of course want results and wins and championships. If you will lead us to success then our yes is always on you. They don't create their teams just to lose.
this is what happens when the developer focused solely on one user. it will ruin everything. Honda focused solely on giving what mm93 needs to alter the bike based on his riding style to keep on winning instead of Honda building a bike that will be competitive with any talented rider and win. Yes MM93 is a talented, but he I don't think he has a talent to develope a competitive bike. Honda was a great bike when he joined as it was developed by Dani and Stoner. Then when Dani retired, HONDA plummeted to the bottom with MM93 doing everything he can to push the bike and ended up paying the price with injuries. With yamaha was different, Rossi joined Yamaha with Engr. Masao Furusawa was a great match. Furusawa did an amazing job designing the M1 and Rossi chose the right engine and help developed it as a competitive bike. But when Furusawa left, Yamaha performance started to decline without major advancement and too complaisant with their bike's turning capabilities then Rossi left other team started to progress while Yamaha did not. last championship won by Fabio was on a thin gap with ducati and Fabio was doing everything he can and started scraping his elbow turning the M1 to the maximum potential in 2021. And in 2022 the Yamaha bike just could not cope with the advancement of European Brands. Honda will have to struggle as they have to start from scratch which is what they're doing right now, but I think they chose a wrong rider. They should have hired a young rider from a Moto2 who doesn't know the characteristics of MOTOGP and added a experience rider from other brands to take inputs of new development needed. This is to balance having a new bike that can be competitive to any rider and especially with an experience rider. Yamaha is doing okay since they took engineers from other teams and retain Fabio. But they should have hired a new young rider to base. Good example is Acosta, who haven't tried a MOTOGP and just riding it using his pure talent. My opnion only. I maybe wrong, but most riders in MOTOGP are just keep on complaining with bike set-up. then here comes new rider from the MOTO2 and outperforming them MOTOGP Riders. MotoGP Riders are getting more dependent with riding aides that they almost want their bike to win races without any efforts. Instead of just handling the bike using their talents. missed the old days of racing. Damn this is so long. I wonder if there really is someone tries to read this. LOL
Don't worry, sir.
I read your entire opinion.
Even the word LOL.
😂😂😂
And I think your opinion is gold.
I'm with you for this.
😎👍
Bagaimana dengan stefan bradl yang mengantikan marc dan kamudian menjadi test rider
@MusicLifeVideo me too read your comment and appreciate it.
Rider aids are not helping the sport they are destroying the talent that comes up from Moto 2. FIM should keep at least 1 race in a calendar year in which the race is conducted based on pure talent and remove all the rider aids.
I guess we may hear some great results.
I read it (your whole comment) and agree, especially that part about Acosta.
@@Ricky-23 wow. I appreciate it.
Pedrosa le tendria que dar una clase a los marquistas
I don't get it others blame marc for the downfall of honda, it's not only the riders duty to develop the whole bike, it's also duty of the crew chief and the manufacturer to do so. The riders gives feedbacks to the maker about the development of the bike then the maker will create another solution on if there's a negative about it.
But the maker is only listening to one rider and not others that is the reason he is getting such hard comments, if Honda is not listening to other riders, did he ask Honda to get the feedback from other riders as well the answer is No because he was happy winning alone he did not wanted a competition with the company, even his brother left for the same reason that the bike is developed only for Marc and not for other riders, go get your facts checked.
It's a lesson well learned.. no manufacturers should follow such tactics. It's time Honda bring someone like rossi a true talented rider. I see Acosta in that line up or bring some fresh talent from moto 2
Rossi? Marc beat him as a rookie and 6 years after, which proves who the actual talented rider is. Honda is now even worse without Marquez, always in the last 4 or 5 places at the end of the race - and that’s with excellent riders like Mir, Marini, and Zarco riding them.
@@grishyroy9271 looks like you don't know anything about motorcycle racing and specially motogp. But it's ok that your option should be respected.
Teams will always listen to the dominant rider. Dani had been with Honda for years without a MotoGP championship to his name so he’s had more than enough time to develop and win. Marquez showed immediately that he was capable of winning the championship , which Honda jumped on and threw everything at him to achieve this. It worked. It worked for years and it’s the reason they continued to focus on Marquez. Their decline was fast when Marquez was injured and couldn’t ride. Honda lost their talisman.
That is complete nonsense. Honda has not been developing the bike for Marc for at least a couple of years. Even before Marc left, the riders were given different chassis to test to voice their opinions. So fast forward to now, the bike is even worse, so what is the excuse now? Is Marc's fault?! You have got to be kidding me!! The truth is Honda never wanted to touch aerodynamics. They wanted no part of it nor did they have the know-how to do aero. To date, they are still clueless about aero. Industry experts were saying Honda was at least 3 years behind Ducati in terms of aero and that was more than a year ago. They just look at the Desmo and try to copy it and make the bike look like the Desmo. But, things are not that simple. I don't know who they have hired to tackle the aero issues, do you? This isn't a case of Ferrari in F1going out to headhunt engineers from Mercedes and Red Bull because Honda obviously haven't done that here. Perhaps they should have done that long ago. But, let's be frank here, in short Honda simply sucks! Does anyone watch WSBK here? Does anyone have any idea how long has the Honda Fireblade been sucking in WSBK? Longer than I care to remember, that's how long! LOL. Please don't tell me that is also Marc's fault?! LOL. Listen, Honda can't even make a road-going 1000cc superbike competitive for God's sake! And you wonder why they suck so bad on prototypes aka MotoGP bikes?! LOL. Seriously, just blaming everything on Marc is not helpful for anyone. Marc is doing just fine, he is handling the GP23 no problem. Has he turned the GP23 into a lemon too? LOL.
Hondas road going rrr fireblade has been winning almost every stock class race in earth, it's not wsbk or MotoGP but hey.
@@pravesh736 Listen, if you are a factory bike and you can't even hang in WSBK, you know you suck. And who rules WSBK? Ducati. Surprise, surprise!
@@pravesh736 I will go down even one more level. Tell me who is leading in British Superbikes? No prizes for getting it right. Ducati yet again! Come on. LOL.
Think you will find Honda outsales any Ducati, KTM or any other road bike so doesn't that tell you something mmmm😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Rascallucci learn to read du-MB ahz. Stock bike, those are not in wsbk. Try again
This is so infrotmative. I would agree becasue I also observed the changes the bike after 2014. Especially with Dani having a difficulty in those year saying that he couldn't able to replicate how Marc rides. Even Casey has justified it.
I'm a long time fan of Marc & his a truly excpetional rider. But the bike that builts around him isn't for everybody no matter how good a rider you are. Lorenzo, Pol & Mir as well as Crutchlow in 2019 were riders who couldn't adapt on it. If they try to push, they have been spitted the bike. That actually ended Jorge's career so early.
Mir is a Stable rider, but they need knife edge riders, should have signed Rins to Factory!
More or less Honda did to Valentino Rossi dirty too
Pedroza's speech is the cry of someone who lost their primacy to a newcomer. In the following years there was a lot of crying from those who remained at the top while Marc Markez had not arrived like Valentino and an envious Stone. Marc returned, all patched up and has already shown that the last 3 champions only won because the MM93 was undergoing maintenance. MM93 will complete 10 championships. If Gigi Dall'lignia wants to win in the next 3 years, he will have to hire Marc Marquez.
Nonsense.. The more Honda made the bike for Marc, the harder they crashed.. Look at their pathetic situation they are at now. Marc cannot build shit together if he wanted to.. Honda's biggest mistake is letting Marc dictate their bike development.. No wonder Honda went shit after Dani left them and look at how fast KTM has caught up to the top factory bikes. They have even managed to jump Honda in this short span.. KTM is probably the next best in MotoGP and who is their development/test rider??? Surprise, surprise, DANI!! It shows how good Dani was in developing the bike..
Dani might not be the best pilot/rider but he surely knows how to develop a damn good bike! I could say the same about Aleix Espargaró.. Excellent in developing the bike and has shown that with Yamaha CRT bike, Suzuki and now at Aprilia. Also the reason why Honda has signed Aleix as development rider post his retirement.. BTW Ducati's already winning everything in MotoGP and they definitely don't see Marc to win anything that they haven't won since 2021.. Marc needs Ducati more than the Ducati needing Marc.. And looking at Honda, I hope Ducati keeps Pecco, Martin and Enea as their priority keeping in mind that they to develop the bike for the future as well..
Win at all cost! That’s what Honda did with Marc.
Is it, Honda is a company, who joined moto gp to win a championship , not just there to waste their millions and billions of money, if marq is best one of the riders, then the team will listen to him only. It is like most people wants to blame marq. He is how many times the champion.
The mistake was letting pedrosa go, he could have been amazing as the honda test rider instead of Bradl...
Look at MM93 now. 2nd up on the championship. Using a older Ducati bike. Definitely Honda's fault. Marc as a rider is just making inputs. Danny can suck it.
Tell that to Rossi too and Quartararo.... Let me guess, no one can because they are likeable. Lol.
When MM93 was beating Rossi he was at the end of his career and Dovi bike was very ill handling so facts first sentiment second definitely a MM93 fan boy trying to say MM93 is better than he really was
The similar thing happened with stoner. Stoner had enough talent to ride around the issues with the Ducati. As soon as he left, no one else could ride that bike for several years. Even stoner himself said that when he did complain about something they wouldn't fix it because he was winning on the bike. Now marc slides the rear in the same way as stoner, allowing him to ride around certain issues on a bike, but now we are seeing he purposely set up the bike in a way only he could ride. And when he leaves the bike is trash. That happened on his watch. It shows he is a poor (if not the worst) development rider.
Meanwhile multiple times Honda while Pedrosa was Marc’s teammate gave all its riders different chassis and engines to see what fit best. Not to mention Marc was out for in total over two seasons, did they still listen to him when he was playing COD? If you wanna know what the problem is look at Quatararo comment about Yamaha “they need to listen to the rider more and not the data” Honda is undoubtedly doing the same. The Japanese by nature are not gonna do what Ducati and Aprillia did and completely revolutionize the team and bike on one go.
Sour grapes. Schumacher told Ferrari what to do. Result: Five world championships. If Marc told Honda what to do, result: six. Premier Class Championships! Give up Marquez haters! Marc is true a Champion, not just a good performer.
It is not marc marques fault, he just want to costumized the bike the way he like it that is why he wins a lot of championship and honda are stagnant can't upgrade their machine the way ducati develop their own. Its maybe true that riders input is important but the engineering belongs to the engineer, if the engineer can't provide the output the riders want it will be more difficult. Mm93 is during his years on honda is fully aware of rare grip problem of honda machines but the engineers can't solved it so he move to other bike. Thats simple
honda failed in designing their aero package, their engineers are to blame, its all about downforce , cornering , braking the front tire has to be slammed into the race track and kept there, now that marquez is on a ducati, he seems to be doing fine
Because it was built by team effort and not by some kunt trying to sabotage the bike development because the other rider find the new development good..
in 2019 marc injured. in 2021 europian start to dominet.... is simple japan didnt wanna go differend direction. or spend money for develop
Of course it is Mark's fault that the Honda is not a drivable motorcycle. Now he is on his way to destroying ducati to.
often we heard about marc given privilege. so no wonder honda is bad now. let him destroy ducati next.. 😄😄😄
Why is Honda bad NOW? Don’t be bitter…and wrong. It’s not a good look.
Honda is 3 years away
Blames Marquez for yahama problem. 😂😂😂😂
He's skilled, yes. But immatured.
Doohan did the same
Fortunately KTM treat him better
Look at the number of championship wins.
that's how i see it , Marc could ride a scooter and win .. his development work not suited to others ..
Honda was centered on selfish Marquez but the traitor dumped Honda. Honda learned a hard lesson
Honda should have learned from traitor Rossi. 🤣🤣
Selfish, 6 Moto GP Titles for HRC? And falling due motorcycle that could kill him ? Wtf man.
😂😂😂
U on drugs
Yeah, I would agree with that.
Marc is a phenomenal rider, but he’s not a good bike developer.
Wait. Wait. So pedrosa never won, and a rookie came in who was faster and took his spot. He sounds a bit jealous.
Honda took the easy way..were winning didn't worry about Next day!!!the arrogance and lack of skills in developing a winning bike that MM showed led honda to a deep hole..and then he left..i think it says a lot about personality!!Casey stoner and dani pedrosa developed the bike with wich MM reached success..and they were "let go" by honda..Pedrosa showed how good he is when he joined ktm..😊
Dani has been like a kid always blaming others for his short comings.
I also put it down to Honda reluctance to tackle the aerodynamics issue.
MM is a great rider but cannot develop a bike, that’s why he’s dumped Honda and moved to another team that other riders have helped developed the bike for him, Ducati will manage him well, they don’t listen to one rider, all riders data is monitored and used for all bikes, I hope Marquez gets what he striving for and retires a fully functioning person and not disabled for the rest of his life, it’s going to be exciting to watch.
He deserte everything to bring honda at that level
EAT THAT UR GOLDEN KID,HONDA!! OWH YEAH HE DUMPED U NOW!!!!
Yamaha 2 years
look at the past, Honda needs always a amazing and special rider to be competitive, a good rider has no chance to bring results with a Honda Bike.
Marini has zero intention of leaving Honda.. he is loving being a factory Honda rider; truly dumb commentary.
Dani made the Honda great… and Marquez couldn’t because he only thought about himself. Look at what Dani has done with KTM, they’re now on the top of the grid with a bike just as good as the Ducati. This is the result of a great team player and bike developer… And once again, Marquez is now making better results but only because he’s on the best bike of the grid.
Dani pedrosa? who the fokk is that guy???😂
He is right
Marc wanted to prove to the honda that the honda had made a mistake when the marc was injured. We don't know their internal problems. That's all marc wants to prove to honda that marc is a champion..
The funny part is Honda ended up with a bike that not even that "stronzo" can handle.
Marc is a nasty rider. Greetings from Spain!
Don't care for neutered 27 bikes
what do Pedroso means that he is GREAT indirect interviewed over the 8 Champion Marquez and what can get more and difference from previous and present part that he wanted to replace in the current situation and performance of honda. if he wants honda good performance why he didn't try now to see if it's good or not before he say and claiming he is GREAT in "QUOTE"? or he wants more publicity. take note that honda is not MORON as he thinks that's why they earned 8 Championship Titled after that no more. meaning new technology, tactical race of team coordination, and skilled rider need now for honda not Pedroso comment and he wanted more publicity to blame Marquez just because he earned more point for another Championship Manufacturer and itself over honda!
I would beg to differ with Dani. When Mm was injured and sat out pre-season development riding came from his brother and other riders, the following year the same thing happened. In my opinion these other riders developed a bike that suited their midfield performance. Mm came back and straight away started pushing from where he finished off, at the front. The result was that Honda made a bike that now ran mid field and when mm pushed to bring it up to the podium he crashed. Now we have to consider that his input prior to this made a bike only suited to him, so I think the fault lives with Honda and not the riders. They probably should have made slight changes for the other riders and they would probably sorted it.
So what Dani Petrosa is saying is that because Marc Marquez wasn't there because of his accident they didn't have anybody else to look to for parts and suggestions other than that mediocre riders that were in the team at that time, so yeah you can say it was his fault..
If the rider is riding a MotoGP bike the best bikes in the world then they are not mediocre first of all.
Second yes I agree with Dani because I have seen from 2015 how Ducati management changed their strategy by taking feedback from riders and bringing the game in their back yard by involving aerodynamics because Ducati knew that their bike is fast Honda Yamaha cannot match the pure power and top speed of a Ducati, it's just the handling which they improved through aerodynamics and gathering feedback from every single rider who is riding in the grid, this is how a team works when they want to win.
Rather than listening to the faster rider only and building the bike around him, the same situation is happening in formula 1 Red Bull has built a car around Max which is difficult to drive first by Riccardo then fyat, then Gasly then Albon and now Checco.
Wow man you took that awfully personally you know how I can tell because you practically wrote me a novel in response..
@user-jl2co2mi4z. He might made a long note 📝. But what he said was true. & it also doesn't mean he took something personal because of it 🙄....
That is a little too convenient to put it on any one rider. When you ask a rider "can you make this piece work?" if he can, he will say yes. It was Honda's job to take Marc's immense talent into account and move logically. When aero, Ride height, holeshot devices were getting introduced, that changed the bikes entirely. Now suddenly Ducati could put the immense power down and smokes everyone. Suzuki anticipated the way things were going and left. The concept of the japanese bikes are completely wrong since the introduction of electronics and aeros, and there is no way out it seems before 2027. They are the F1 Mercedes team in Moto GP.