SWEM: Narcissism, bad management, lost passion
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- SWEM, the horse Minecraft mod has now been kinda-sorta abandoned. Ex-developers and ex-moderators had a lot to say about what happened with SWEM, and it paints a picture of an owner whose ego was too big for the game to carry.
00:00 - Introduction
01:29 - History
10:19 - Shutting down
13:56 - How much did they make? (I'd like to know)
15:55 - Problem Development
18:42 - Mothfet (Problem Development Continued)
32:44 - JustPeachy (Problem Development Continued)
35:19 - Riley (Problem Development Continued)
45:05 - Interview with Hannah
55:46 - Conclusion - Zábava
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Dude poor Peachy, she deserved so much better. They all did.
Definitely! Players had a lively chat in the SWEM discord, I hope they can convince Hannah to at least sell the project. As you said, everyone deserved better. ♥
As a former SWEM Staff member, you both did fantastic. It's a shame you guys were put through what you were. You both deserved better
yes poor Peachy!
@@YTRattlei really hope they give it to genetic animals- it’s a really great mod and Dev team 😭
@@lindseyfiscus7490YES.
Honestly, not paying someone for their work is actually very illegal. Someone should take her to court.
There are definitely lots of technicalities behind it. We all volunteered work willingly, so it is legal. There are lots of factors
@@everyuki8997 thats really rough. i understand it was volunteered work, but if you were promised pay at all, I do believe you should have gotten it. Even without a written contract, if there is written evidence of a promise of pay being made, I think you all should have been compensated for your hard work. Just my thoughts. So sorry about all that has happened. ❤️
@everyuki8997 and this is why you never EVER *volunteer* to work for a complete stranger. There's a saying "work has worth" and being passionate about something fills no bellies.
Mmm to be fair they volunteered and could have stoped at any point in time, they didn't have to keep working on it they chose to
I think like 15+ hours of work isn’t legally considered voluntary anymore. Atleast that’s how vaguely I remember it in the Netherlands, can be completely wrong though. :)
The 3000 word doc is ABSOLUTELY INSANE.. if only if she could put that effort into the actual project amiright
Fr, you have to be unhinged, to send a huge word document basically patronising a person, simply because they are upset over being treated like a used rag.
This kind of behavior reminds me of Yandev (the guy who is “making” yandere simulator), and look where he is now. This will lead to nothing good for Hannah, and I do hope she turns this around before it gets even more out of hand.
Full on University Essay
@@froggy1101 I was getting the exact same vibes! Didn't want to write my own comment about it because he's kinda an actual serial child predator and that felt like an unfair comparison to my knowledge, tho
@@SuperSkyhorse "Bitch, you aren't paying me," is all that had to be said to shut her down. Especially since she was whining about how terrible it was to be poor. Everyone else could eat peanut butter off tortillas, BUT NOT POOR HANNAH.
I'm amazed at the number of people willing to work for free. You NEVER work for free, period. I wish I could run a tyrannical project that makes me money while I bitch that all their free work isn't good enough.
At this point the whole equetrian/horse games community is cursed.
reason why I stopped looking, there's no point anymore. The dinosaur games community are cursed, the dragon games community are cursed and the horse/equestrian games are cursed.
@@kitieriwhite7758
Oh definitely
@@kitieriwhite7758 Probably because these games are seen as "kids" games for many people, so that's why we can't get a good one, no one wants to make a good game and put a lot of effort and money in it if it's only for children...
@@lola_equestrianThat is unfortunately is true
Lovecraftian Horror is cursed as well! @@kitieriwhite7758
yo shoutouts to lucy for getting the fuck out of here before hannah could buy her back
BRO SHE KNEW ALL ALONG
LMFAO
Underrated af comment 😂👌
The owner was a beta tester on my old minecraft horse server and I couldn't believe how arrogant and rude she was. She had this god complex and thought she was better than everyone and everything because she stood at the head of SWEM.
she would parade around other horse servers with a few of her high rank staff members with the pure purpose of making fun of them so she could talk about how much better swem is. i witnessed this SO many times in staff calls around her and it made me feel so terrible for the other server owners whos work was just being shat on by arrogance..
What makes it so much worse is that all she did was take money from people. She did next to nothing for the mod itself. Absolutely sick.
In other words, she's a stereotypical Horse Girl.
I was a beta tester for Swem and applied to be a texture artist and the entire experience was dampened by Hannah. Who was self absorbed and rude at times even in the few interactions I had with her. Her self absorbance knew no bounds, so much that she deemed herself the "Queen" of her world.
Volunteers should be treated as such, as people giving their time and skill for a project. They should be treated respect.
Hannah treated them like subjects to be ruled.
And now I'm very suspicious of where all the missing money went.
And
this was my experience as well. totally not fun. i left and cut all ties with hannah for a reason. i believe my last words to her in DMs were "get off your high horse" before i blocked her
@@aprilpurplenight good job for getting yourself out of that toxic situation, i hope hannah reaps what she sowed
I also loathed my experience as a tester
@@aprilpurplenight”get off your high horse”
ba dum tss
I'm glad someone spoke about this. I was a beta tester for the mod before it released and the owner made our lives so difficult. They refused to explain to us how features worked or help us out and I remember a lot of rude remarks when people asked questions. This made testing the mod extremely hard when we didn't know how certain features worked or even what was intended to be a feature or not. There were definitely a lot of kind and helpful people though and it's sad to see some peoples hard work go to waste
i witnessed this as a staff member that was beta testing. the staff team would be in calls almost all the time with hannah, and whenever hannah would talk about the beta testers she would literally talk bad about them like they werent helping her test and develop her mod... i thought it was wild. she treated y'all like dirt and expected you all (including me and staff) to put damn near part time hours into helping her get the mod out and test it. so sorry you had to feel that way :/ hannah treated way too many people terribly
bro???? why even open the mod to beta testers if you aren't going to work with them??
Thank you for sharing all of this and giving a collective voice to those who felt like their voice wouldn’t be loud enough 🤍
Thank YOU, peachy for being willing to speak up about this! ♥
Can we have a none crazy psychotic person create a horse game please? No? Okay then..
I think it’s because horse people are fucking crazy.
I would say me and my horse game- but I’m also kinda crazy XD
Seeing all the horse games fails and weirdos in their communities I think it attracts problematic people, as creators and players.
@@novastarburst3939 Nah it attracts scammers, as in, the game-makers are all scammers. They see how desperate we are for actual good horse games and they take advantage of that. Boy if they do. The community is actually pretty decent, better than some others, if you take your time to explore it a bit. "Weirdos" seems a bit accusatory.
Ive only played the demo, but Ranch of Rivershine seems like a very nice little game! It is currently early access, but by a studio that has finished several games already. Probably wont be as big as many other games promise. But cute and fun :) I dont know if the demo is still available but if it is, check it out!
moth was done so wrong, i couldnt register half the shit the owner said to them
Exactly
Me personally if I got that I'd just be 'wtf you talking about' lol
Talk about creating the longest hate essay ever in the world
the patience moth wields is insane, confirmed
I loved moth. They were so kind to me when i was struggling, I was very sad to hear they left, and we have since lost contact :(
I haven't watched but i have a feeling im gonna get pissed off.
As a texture artist who worked tirelessly for SWEM, the shutdown was devestating. Like it was all for nothing
as someone who played swem thank you for your hard work I love the textures
You can absolutely put stuff in your portfolio. Your work is your work.
You did an amazing job! Thank you so much for your hard work.
I worked in their Discord server as a barn cat (Q&A person) for about a year and a half and I also worked as a beta tester. The owner made everything so so difficult. This mod had the potential to go much farther but I view the owner’s decision to not release the code a selfish decision. The community has so many more talented people that would LOVE to expand on the mod and add in the stuff we were promised by SCA-WEM, but nope 🤧🤧
Hello fellow barn-cat. ❤
Seven, that you?@@Seven_Suits_Up
Source code isn't too difficult to find in the right hands. Not ethical, but not hard.
@@gigglesthecl0wnyup! Hi!
I have played this mod a few months ago, and I loved it. I can't believe this mod was so heavy on the shoulders of the volunteers and developers (who are not the owner). hope all the people involved are well
The hate I got for leaving and exposing the truth will never match the hate the others got. I send everyone that was/is wrapped into this mess lots of love. You deserve better. ❤️
Thank you Rattle. You covered everything very beautifully.
Sev, you deserved better. I'm glad you spoke up too : )
@@everyuki8997thank you for being my Cheerleader! ❤
I knew it was too good to be true, the ‘lost passion’ story just seemed abit selfish on its own.
Seems a lot less like lost passion and more like not wanting to deal with the ever-piling consequences of her actions.
@@BlinkingTwinand a money grab
ah yes starting a passion project, and then quiting said passion project because there is no passion anymore, is "selfish" fun fact, people have lives and dreams, not everyone is stuck online playing video games 24/7
@@unknownunknown-cd7rx Obviously that's not the problem. Did you watch the video? Taking people's money and unpaid labour only to let a project die and not even pass it on to the people who still care about it. That's the problem. The problem is spinning the actual reason of selfishness and arrogance into a story of how "it's just not the same anymore. i have a life now guys, bye" while still taking people's money and letting everyone down. Good day, I hope you don't become like Hannah.
@@acetivorans "unpaid labor" everyone that worked on the project volunteered, they could of asked to be paid or ask for a legal contract agreement, but no, they volunteered, which means "unpaid labor of your own free will", and once again, if you pay for a free product, thats your own stupidity, i got the exact same content as everyone else, and i didnt pay a penny, and what do you think happens to actual games when they are finished? they get abandoned even though theres still a community behind it, for example cyberpunk 2077, after the dlc release, the entire community wants more dlcs, because of how amazing the new dlc was, but nope cdpr(the owners) are abandoning it for other projects, if the community truly cares that much about the mod, they can make "addons" to it, but clearly no one cares enough to do it
I was waiting for SWEM for YEARS, I was so excited but I noticed it was slowing down and then when Peachy left I had no idea what was going on. Thank you for bringing light to this. It literally sounds like “I’m in a better place now and don’t have to struggle anymore, bye” like huh? You can’t just abandon something because your life is better now when people are giving you their hard earned money.
Swem is under new leaders now (the way I understood) and they're working so much better again. I've never seen the update/announcement channel on their discord so full of life like right now. I really hope they're better with their staffs now and treat them with the love and respect they deserve for working so hard on something so amazing
@@noxgirl_gaming Wait, really? I could have sworn I saw Hannah send messages in the updates server fairly recently.
@noygirlgaming Wait, so it's still ongoing? I haven't been paying attention lately to SWEM news. And I just checked curseforge and that bitch's name in still under Owner and Production Lead. So I'm a little confused by what you said that there're new leaders 🤔
Your interview with Hannah felt like poking a tiger with a stick and then it turns out the tiger is too domesticated to even cause any real harm.
Wonderfully written video as always!
i dont really see why she wont just give the mod to someone else if she doesnt want to do it anymore this mod has so much potential and so many people love it
because its her mod? her passion project? stop acting entitled
@@unknownunknown-cd7rxShe was an entitled brat of a person. Making this comment ironic.
Anyway so many volunteers had done most of the works with the mod I don’t think it counts as hers alone. If any of the precious moders and coders wish to pick it up I encourage them too.
@@unknownunknown-cd7rx while yes she is the owner of the mod, tons of peoples work and dedication went into it. Not to mention people donated to have a full modpack so that they can play it, she took the money and ran with it. It's not being entitled but rather the owner being selfish for abandoning a mod that others put hours and time into.
@@MistieHorse1057 she also put alot of dedication into the mod, and again if you paid for soemthing that is free, thats your own dumb choice
@@unknownunknown-cd7rx Except they didn't pay for something that is free... they payed to keep SWEM going and to have the full pack. Honestly hope your a troll, because you're insane if your not. (/hyperbole) (/gen)
Also it being HER mod isn't fully true. She came up with the idea, but others carried it FOR FREE WITH THEIR OWN TIME. It was a COLLECTIVE mod with many different contributors, who clearly suffered for it.
i was waiting for someone to say something (video wise). i was in a group with a few ex staff members and the things they told me were HORRIFIC. im at a loss for words, just thank you for this video. it needed to be done & im always so grateful the horse gaming community has someone this isn’t afraid to report on things like this
YOOOO Amelia I love your sso videos, I didn’t know you knew about swem!!
I was one of the patrons and supported the mod, I played on the new 2.0 survival server (pay to play too) every day, for near a month, after its long awaited release, when suddenly Hannah said swem was shutting down, as was the server, with no warning. Huge slap in the face for us. It was such a lovely community and they were even letting players volunteer there time into this server (including myself) up until the last few days! I even had receipts of discussing with Hannah and her moderators about becoming staff on the server just days before the shut down notice (not paid of course!)
The first off putting vibe that Hannah gave off was when she was making passive aggressive comments about minecraft builders using glass panels as horse dividers. Like come on its a game? That's the beauty of minecraft is being creative. I also didn't like how she would put down other horse mods. That was just the starting stuff I noticed that gave me a bad vibe from her, and then everything started to go downhill. I am very disappointed how the staff probably mostly Hannah treated peachy. I hope peachy is doing better now as she is a sweetheart. Riley was an awesome creator she's always amazing at her commissions and very sweet and helpful. SWEM really messed up losing such good workers.
if you decided to pay for soemthing that is free, thats your own fault for being an idiot
I think Hannah’s thought process when something small bothers her is that it’s not a situation she can sit down and talk about. That’s not what she wants. She wants something she can use against the person later on. She wants to have enough ammo to destroy a person thoroughly so she can come out on top while still looking like the martyr because look at all the horrible horrible things you did that made me feel bad!
Source: I had a friend like this. We are no longer friends.
Rattle: talking about a minecraft mod director with an Icarus complex saying the N word and the effects it had on the already rocky development to complete the story she spent the last nine and a half minutes telling
Me: cackling at the “horse privileges revokes” gif at 9:27
I cackled at that too! LOL
you’ve got to have one of the most underrated channels on here. there’s so much effort put into these and you are so naturally funny. i pray for the state of Horse Gaming
Ahh! Thank you! And yes, at this point we need a miracle!
Even though I am not at all that much into horse games, I keep watching Rattle for the spicy humour.
This made my day! LOL ♥
@@YTRattle I'm really not all that into horse games at all (usually don't even get one in farming games, LOL) but the quality of your content, both in terms of objective research and observation, and the opinions and how you use them have had me coming back for quite a while now.
@@Kehy_ThisNameWasAlreadyTaken same here!
i am SO happy you made a video on this. hannah is long overdue to be exposed for her shady and arrogant behavior. i was staff under her for a bit as well as a beta tester and my experience working with her is about exactly the same as everyone else who's had a bad experience: hannah asking for too much too soon like practical part time hours of your time, making everything so hard, not crediting work at all (including mine and SSDs work since we were partnered with swem for a minute), leaving me out of notifications and important messages i needed to know about to do my job properly then getting mad at me for not even knowing whats going on because nobody was telling me...... i could go ON AND ON ITS INSANE. hannah is such a parasite and i hope she stays far away from the horse community. WE DONT CLAIM HER.
"leaving me out of notifications and important messages i needed to know about to do my job properly then getting mad at me for not even knowing whats going on because nobody was telling me" I would like to point out this was one of my main points in my LoR. That Hannah blew up on me about. My LoR wasn't directed at her entirely. IT was directed at staff as a whole. She just took it as an attack on herself.
@@rileycasper What does "LoR" mean? Sorry, I'm tired... ^^;
Something that makes me laugh is that she said “swem is shutting down”, and then In the same message said “we’ll continue if we get the money for it” which means you’re *not* shutting down, just slowing production, and over the past few weeks between then and now we’ve had consistent updates about things they’re continuing to make and add to the mod 💀💀💀 pick a side bro at this point it just seems shes doing it as a publicity stunt for pity money
Very well done video, as always! The entire SWEM project shutting down scenario was such a saddening, and sudden, chain of events. I love the mod, as do a lot of people in the community, and we all had such high hopes and expectations for it.
this is my first time hearing abt any drama about this but i always distrusted hannah bc her discord banner was the u.s national anthem .. ☠️
update after watching the video all the way thru: LORD. i didnt know she was that bad. Eugh.
Its such a shame that theres this curse on horse games, so many have promised the moon and produced a pebble. So far ranch or rivershine is pretty good and not much bad has happened from what i know. Astride still has a smidge of potential from the little updates i see every week. I wish they would look at the wolf quest devs and learn from them.
ngl her backwards position on the n-word controversy was not terribly surprising given the red flags of her discord bio. also the later use of "protect and serve"(a common police slogan) and "cancel culture".
totally agree. i immediately felt strange about her when the n-slur issue arose and then when i saw her discord profile i was like yuck.
The second I saw the bio I thought "oh no".
Decided to look at it and yeah that’s really strange. Huge red flag, definitely avoiding and leaving the server :/ if I had known about any of this I woulda left sooner
what was in her bio? out of curiosity
@@precious3831 "All taxation is theft"
I talked to Hannah one on one, on call, a few times and everytime I felt like I was being talked down to. She always seemed like she thought she knew best and anytime I would ask a question she made me feel dumb for even saying anything. It personally turned me off of the mod and the discord as a whole.
Am i the only one who found the mods and developer extremely rude to fans and the community? Just like every horse game server, the people would kiss the devs' ass while they treated the community like shit.
The amount of work and effort that goes into each and everyone of your videos is absolutely outstanding. You are such an inspiration Rattle! Amazing video as always! 🥰
I can't even express how happy i felt when i saw this vid, i'm an ex beta tester and i as unjustly removed due to hannah having personal issues with me for a long time before my departure. I thought everyone was head over heels with her and her getting called out like this just gave me some relief. Seriously, thank you for making this video.
Edit: I applied to be a beta tester when the applications were free
Applications became paid for at some point??? Genuine curious because i didnt really pay a huge attention to the betas apps (just due to my timing)
rattle would be TERRIFYING as a lawyer😭😭
OBJECTION!
(Currently playing Ace Attorney games LOL)
@@YTRattleif I ever in trouble with the law (prob for stealing a horse tbh) can you be my lawyer
I feel so bad for all of them, especially peachy, her being how I found out about the mod she’s a genuinely good person so when she left the team and then dropped a video talking about how her mental health etc has went downhill I felt it was connected with the team, but damn didn’t know it was this much. She’s a good person, and the way mothfet was apologizing after a THREE THOUSAND word doc of her essentially flaming her just hurts to see, glad your talking about this though 💯
Wow, her thesis-like messages to the people who are HELPING her seem like an unhinged mental breakdown. So disgusting to see, and I'm glad you're calling out all the bs. Awesome video as always though, love to see and support my fellow South African.
hate to say it but as soon as i saw her discord profile banner i had a gut feeling which way this was gonna go 😬
I was tracking SWEM mods' life for quite a while now being even on their discord server. I was very upset when they announced a shut down of this project. It had so much potentat...
It definitely came across like she was paranoid. And her not being able to take criticism without feeling like she was attacked, was concerning. The lack of professionalism on her end and pointing fingers at everyone but herself just shows a lot of concerning factors. It’s sad it all had to end like this. I hope everyone involved or were hurt by her find peace 💜
Thank you for giving me proper credit, and I hope the screenshots were helpful! It's a shame what happened with SWEM but its good that all of these things regarding Hannah are brought to light. Thank you Rattle for not being afraid to shed light on bad situations, developers and games in the horse gaming community. ♥
I'm quite surprised and shocked at a lot of it because I had no idea, but I guess none of us regular fans and users did. When the announcement about "shutting down" came out I did write to the suggestions channel on Discord to point out that the title had nothing to do with the actual content, and it was unnecessarily panic-inducing and dramatic. They were and are so far not shutting down, but cutting down on development, there are still dev days, SWEM is still available to play, just no more 100% effort towards it. Of course my message was ignored because seeing people panic and flail around because of a big dramatic show of text was more fun... Thank you for the video Rattle
Hannah really sounds like she's stuck in high school trying so hard to be part of the cool girls club.
The back stabbing, the unprofessionalism, the insecurity and completely heinous attitude to anyone that has a problem... yikes.
And after all of that, she still couldn't find a way to make up for it at all. She really could have taken that interview with you to save her own ass but she chose to let the ship continue to sink. Stuck in her own ways, completely bitter and vitriolic until the end.
Props to all the testers and developers who tried to make something great. This mod looked really promising.
Too bad it was left in the wrong hands, a project lead who cared more about everything else but the mod itself.
Makes me wonder if it's even worth fighting for the source code. Hannah will probably cherish that small victory of having that to hold over peoples heads like a spoiled kid waving ice cream over the other kids that couldn't get it.
I hate how some people take the horse gaming community for granted.. We really deserve better 💔
Normally I can’t stand commentary videos cause I can’t pay attention long enough but I’m so glad I sat thru all of this
Thanks! Glad you liked it! And nice to know I kept your attention! ♥ ^^
even if it was her original project and she doesnt want anyone else to continue to develop it (for whatever reasons they may be) it still comes off as incredibly selfish, even if it was her mod originally when other people started working/ volunteering it became theirs as well, even the players. its so frustrating hearing the 'reasons' she cant sell or give it away, it grew to be a community project, it would have been known/ remembered because of that community, not just her
The audacity of being cruel to people, that work FREE to make *YOUR* dream come true!
That's a level of being ungrateful I never imagined!
thank you for reading the shut down announcement the way you did. i saw it as soon as she sent it and I think I was either first or second to react to it with the skull emoji LOL. so dramatic when it could've been a short announcement explaining what's happening
The Titanic part was so unexpected and your acting made me smile during the whole reading 😂
There goes another one promising game project about horses and equestrian life.. What a surprise! 💀 And because of what? BAD 👏COMMUNICATION👏
Come on horse game devs LEARN YOUR LESSONS!! I am really sad about this one because I genuinely love minecraft and I was craving for a good horse mod for SO long!! What a shame.. Thank you for your thorough commentary on this matter. 💖
Not even horse game devs, it's all devs and aspiring devs
@@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic All devs? I think the WolfQuest devs are pretty awesome, it would be nice if more were like them.
So essentially she bailed because she started a business transaction and got tired of being treated like a...business owner.
Ask ANYONE who works in retail for more than 5 minutes and they will tell you that you'll be treated in the worst ways by the most unassuming people. Its part of life.
Oh wow. I had heard of SWEM, but wasn't familiar with the details. This Hannah handled the situation so poorly, the fact she couldn't even let others continue what she started
is testament to what kind of person she is. Bloated ego is a pain for everyone else to deal with. Hope everyone affected can heal and continue onward in life. Thank you
for a great video Rattle, the effort you put into these really show! 💖
I had no idea Hannah was like that, I’m upset that swem is shutting down I was really excited but I hope all those devs and other volunteers find something else that they love and that treats them better. I do really hope that maybe one day swem will happen, but unfortunately I don’t have too much hope for it,
I am so glad you said something! I felt like I was the only one noticing things. It seems like there's an air of toxic positivity and 'loyalty' to the owner. Any (constructive) negative or even neutral feedback/suggestions/etc. are often looked down on or written off as rude
Yeah, I messaged the discord about a feature SWEM added (where it turns all vanilla leads into SWEM anchored leads) because me and my players on my server HATED the change since it was massively glitchy and made leads unusable for most people, and I couldn’t find a way to change it, so I asked and while the mod who answered was very nice, the answer was essentially ‘we won’t change it’ and then they carried on with an irrelevant conversation that wasn’t on topic for the channel. When a mod introduces a feature that overwrites a core vanilla feature and the owner refuses to even consider adding a config to make the change optional, usually it’s a sign the mod is run by an ego far too big. The immediate shit down and topic change made me feel like I wasn’t welcome in the community
Horse games are not cursed. They are just constantly being pushed for and built by people with big dreams, but no real ability to build the projects on the scale they wish to see.
Big companies with ACTUAL knowledge won't invest in such projects because it would cost them more than it would earn them in the long run. The companies that do try to build them are usually smaller, unknown, and often inexperienced companies who are trying to build the next-big thing, and seeing that horse games are needed, but rare, they think they can make a quick buck by pulling on the community's desperation. To make things worse, due to lack of funding, they continuously keep hiring developers without experience, skill or fresh out of college. Why? Because they are cheaper, hence why most horse game end up looking and being cheap buggy messes.
It's one of the main reasons why I have tremendous support for one-man teams like the dev behind Ranch of Rivershine. Eloise is being realistic, and has set goals and limits for what she wants for the game. Why? Because she knows what she can and can't do. She has an idea what the game should be like, and she isn't willing to risk it by trying to make it over complicated or by trying to implement stuff she isn't capable of making by herself properly. That's admirable. She might not produce THE HORSE GAME of a lifetime, but so far she's the only one who has been able to create a horse game that hasn't pissed off the whole playerbase for what it brings to the table.
Ranch Of Rivershine FTW
As someone with a horse game pipedream, I'm terrified of falling into this trap of letting my ambitions surpass my abilities and letting a bunch of people down. It's so easy to get overexcited by your own ideas and then bite off way more than you can chew. I guess, if nothing else, I can learn from the failures of the past and see what works and what doesn't, but it feels like such a narrow line to walk between ambition and reality.
My heart goes out for Riley, Peachy and all staff who were treated badly while working with SWEM. ❤
I applied to be an animator for SWEM in September 2021 and had my application rejected. I think that was for the best.
This one kinda hits hard. I used to watch Hannah's live streams where Hannah, Peach and Reilly would play together as friends, I had no idea of Hannah's behavior
Just like horseman Rick Gore of Think Like a Horse says: Horses attract bullies, because they don't fight back.
But also horses attract weirdo conservatives cosplaying as confederate soldiers and trad wives.
That man is a nasty misogynist and more ornery than a sorrel mare but by god is he an amazing horseman
Hannah won't give the coding to others because then she loses power and the title of " SWEM owner " . Classic narcissism.
Like I knew there was issues and signs of deeper issues, but like .... THERE WERE ISSUES
So happy these things are coming to the light to give the ones effected knowledge that this was not normal or correct. I hope those still donating see this so they can be fully informed as to what their money is currently 'supporting'.
Theres certainly a lot of narcissim and egotism but i almost wonder if theres also improper mourning that occured? Hannah hangs so much onto Lucy and especially (atleast from how the video made it come off) the death was super sudden... i almost wonder if shes refusing to give away the project cause she's clinging to it as what she had of Lucy.
I dunno Hannah seems to have so much going on in the head i think that donation money should just go to therapy at this point 💀
It really feels like she’s using Lucy as a scapegoat and an excuse to do whatever tf she wants
@@notaddie2287 At this point I’m wondering if Lucy was even real, or did she make her up.
@@Silver_Ever Lucy was real
@@notaddie2287 God I hope so
@@Silver_Ever there’s many pictures of Hannah with Lucy
I always wonder what is it about horse games that attract this kind of person? So many projects tank because of people who can't put their self-absorbed interests aside or otherwise just turn completely unhinged when they have a small amount of power over a game/mod/discord server or similar.
"No one wants my job." "I won't sell it to someone who wants to buy it." Which is it, Hannah?
Great video Rattle!
Horse girls are often white, Christian, conservative and American. Those traits often correlate with right-wing views and entitlement due to white supremacist views. This is not at all surprising.
I really think we should all come together and raise funds to make a professional hacker get that dog-gone code for us
YES
I AM ALL FOR THIS.
LETS DO IT
I had absolutely no idea that those things happened! That's... wow. I have no words
Let’s be honest, it’s always a great day when Rattle posts. I must say I found this mod very complicated but was excited to see what was coming, I didn’t play it very much though as it was quite laggy for me so I just stuck to watching the roleplay videos, I didn’t know all of this was going on behind the scenes either so that’s definitely made me see it through a different perspective. Anyway as always thank you for making these amazing videos, I get so much joy out of watching them ❤️❤️❤️
Excellent video, love many of the points you brought up in it. You know it's a bad day for the equestrian community when EA is one of the better "horse" games, haha. The amount of money put into SWEM is insane, even if it is a vague estimate. The way some of SWEM's team was treated is mind-boggling, thank you so much for getting their statements and allowing them the chance to speak their mind about everything. I've heard a lot of the horror stories, but to be able to make an hour-long video about it? With proof? Absolutely insane.
That being said, there is a horse/equestrian project a lot like SWEM that is currently being created to bring some better horses to Minecraft. It's a little over a month into development and the team who is creating it is made up of some of the fired, quit, or let go SWEM dev team. This new mod's development team is honestly amazing, and some of my favorite people to work with. This is a bit of a self-promotion because it makes me so sad to see so many horse projects get off the ground, get thousands of dollars of funding, then turn around and drop it for vague reasons. Also, Hannah isn't the only amazing mod creator out in the world. Anyone can make cool pixel ponies a reality :)
Big things are coming!
holy shit its phant, hi Phant its me RachelTheDragon LMAO
@@RachelsValorantGames YOOO HELLO!!!
Hi, what’s the mod called, and do they have a discord? Very interested!
@@frostwolf2423 Yeah they do, I'm actually in the server with Phant!! I'll drop the link in a seperate comment since im unsure if it'll get marked as spam, but its the Phantom Equestrian Mod server, as well as there is Swemy Horseys which is a multiplayer server for the SWEM mod (Phant is the head admin of Swemy Horseys, and the owner of Phant EQ).
Hannah reminds me so much of Yandere Dev😂
Hopefully without the pedophilia
@@emilybarclay8831 She's a conservative white woman in the south... I wouldn't be surprised
Thank you for putting your time and energy into this. A lot of us needed to hear the real truth, not some beatin' around the bush sob tale.
I made no insane impact but in my heart I felt like I did. I am just someone that paid $5, which was the most I could sincerely donate, for over a year straight to see SWEM thrive. To encourage progress, pay for the countless effort the Devs put in, and to even help benefit Hannah through her SAID finical issues.
It breaks my heart to see such an amazing idea and mod be taken care of by the wrong hands.
Shame on her for being so selfish and cruel to so many people that didn't deserve it.
I seriously hope she finds help for her narcissistic personality and I hope she enjoys her so called new found "better life" outside of the project.
Lastly and MOST importantly, I hope the victims in this video are finding peace and love, because I'm sending so much to them.
Again, thank you for the educational video and thank you from the bottom of my heart for everyone that spoke up about the truth.
You are heard and I and so many are listening! 💕
This was absolutely amazing. The amount of time and effort you put into your videos to make sure the information is accurate shows. I am an occasional lurker on the SWEM discord for bug fixes and what not. I discovered this mod a few months before its free release and was instantly excited. Finding a good horse game or mod is like finding gold at this point. I downloaded the mod on Forge when it was released to the public. It was decent for something that was still in development, and what I thought was a free passion project (I thought the patron stuff was only for public minecraft servers lol). Quickly though, I learned the mod was ok for creative and/or role play purposes, but had issues in survival. I am a big modder when it comes to minecraft. I almost never play the game vanilla anymore. I tend to play with mods that add some difficulty and fantasy to the game such as Ice and Fire (an amazing dragon and mythical creature mod). My play style also includes me leaving the base on dangerous missions. I didn’t want to get my horses killed, so I left them behind. The problem arose when I realized my two horses (which took a few hours to set up for and get) were permanently hungry and thirsty. After some over an hour on the internet I found out that the horses skip feeding and water times when out of render distance. At first that doesn’t seem like a big deal, but it turns out they will not feed or water themselves again until the next programmed time. I own two horses IRL, and trust me when I say those two eat whenever they want. My point with this I that you can’t really play survival if you leave behind and it’s difficult having more than one. Also it’s a bit frustrating figuring out that mechanic as an adult, so I can only imagine kids frustration. And that is in addition to all the bugs and glitches that are still in the mod. It’s at the point where I plan on removing it from the server I am creating for myself and a friend. I’m not sure if other people have had this problem, but I figured I would put it out there.
There's nothing wrong with being a solo dev and that may be the better option for Hannah. Nothing will humble you more than learning exactly how much you in fact do not know about development and modding. Some people shouldn't be in charge of anything ever, much less volunteers who are trying to help you make your vision a reality.
Ah, my dose of horse drama, thank you Rattle. This one is especially potent.
Hannah doesn't even TRY to hide her ego, it's insane. I would not of been any bit civil like you or mothfet were in this situation, that's for fucking sure; so I especially commend you on that. Not a single thing she tried to say in a "nice way" was any semblance of civility. Every sentence oozed with venom, even without your narration that drove that point home.
It's such a shame that this keeps happening to promising projects. A problem I see is that some of these devs treat this like a social circle and not a group of coworkers. The minute money is involved, this is no longer a fun project with friends. If you do not deliver what people paid for, you're a scam. Not to say you can't be friends or have a bit of fun while you work, but the way Hannah whines that they "used to be friends" as if that should have any relevance is wholly inappropriate. With Hannah at the helm, this project was doomed from the start. She contributed nothing but stress to the dev team, from the sound of it. Here's hoping the project some of the devs moved to has more success.. I don't even play Minecraft, but I hope to see them thriving.
for the love of god when can we get a horse game that isn't problematic!? (highly considering putting my non-existent game creation skills to use)
If you like browser sims and breeding/genetics games I highly recommend Horse World Online. It's a pretty small (2-person) dev team and while they haven't really been delivering on promises updates it's already a really solid functional game, the community is largely positive, and I've had nothing but good interactions with the admins. The only paid features are QOL things that aren't at all necessary to enjoy the game!
@@zippyshuman1464 Horse lioden, my 16th year old self would be screaming
@@zippyshuman1464 Sounds interesting! What are browser sims?
I feel like this kind of toxicity that is shown by the person who started this mod is very common in the equestrian/horse world, Pretty much all stables I've been to have had some pretty serious issues/Drama, I feel like it's impossible to avoid. And there's a serious ego problem amongst horse people which makes me glad I quit riding and just stuck to my other interests.
I hate that swem is shutting down, because it had so much potential. On the other hand, I can now watch your video an that still makes me happy :D
It shoudln't be funny, but I couldn't help giggling at the dramatic readings of Hannah's messages. That girl is not living in real life.
god im so disappointed, the community around this mod is so full of love and passion and Hannah is just such a mean and arrogant person, like why wtf 😭😭
This mod was def achievable, if she wasn't such a freak about control it could have been done :(
Oh, shoot, I just started watching the livestreams on this channel last night, I wasn't expecting an actual new video the morning after!
I haven't finished the video yet, but it's weirdly poetic to see a horse game/horse-themed mod be made so that the developer can get their *actual* horse back; makes it even more of a shame things turned out like this...
as someone who watched the downfall of it, it was shocking to see just how poorly they handled any issue
This video was really entertaining! I see ur effort to search about this the games and the history of fails and successes horse games had over the years. I really love this type of stuff!
Swem had the potential to be a big mod one day and even i wanted to play it cuz of the fun stuff I've seen. So i was really surprised to see that this game was shutting down but i didnt dug too deep bc of my social skills. after this i finally can make full picture of what has happened and what led to this fall. Your dedication to this is just enormous and i cannot thank you enough for bringing this to light.
The toxicity behind all this is just horrible and i wasn't even surprised that any of the ppl that worked on the project didnt really stood up against hannah, then again I wouldn't have either if i had to cuz i would love to lose my "job" and my time bc of simple talk... Those people deserve a big praise for their work and time that they spend on. Hopefully hannah will one day finally understand what she really did for amount of backlash she might get from ppl that seen this video. She didnt though clearly as I've read throughout the messages that were seen (from the mess I could process from that amount of mess).
Your videos are amazing and make my week. These kinds of videos just make me think more about societyy human behaviour, andthink more outside of box. It makes me more wiser and understanding of ppl. I cannot thank you enough for making this kind of content and actually educating me!
I hope I'll get better soon over what happened
i had no idea mothfet was fired and i cannot believe that ): i loved their work and especially the skins i commissioned them for. i feel so bad for all the staff under hannah i didn’t know any of this about her and it leaves such a horrible taste in my mouth. makes me second guess using the mod i was so excited for.
You are amazing! How did you know I needed this so bad?❤❤
I live in your closet 👀
I mean, it explains it😂❤
as someone who did volenteer for a few months as a builder, i agree with everything said. from what i remember, if you started to not respond to seeing that you have a task for the week/ started missing tasks, they would check in and make sure everything is ok. i had gotten kicked from the team, for missing one assigned task, after a couple week break that the entire team got. they never checked in, np comunication. just got a message saying that they decided to remove me, for missing multiple tasks even tho it was only one.
I've never really been into horses and horse games, but I've always really loved watching game reviews/rants and such. This channel is really great, though, because not only have I learned a load about different games, but I've learned a lot about horses and the seemingly lack of content for horse lovers and all the stuff the community goes through. It's really great to see a community have such passion for their interests, and still be willing to call bad actors out like this! Keep up the great work, Rattle!
Ah another episode of grown ass adults acting like children instead of grown ass adults. Love it
someone with the pledge of allegiance as their dc banner saying the n word and not apologizing properly? shocker
I didnt keep up on alot of details when i was in the community, what i saw was an awesome horse mod for minecraft, and i even backed it and was excited for the release, when i saw the shutting down message tbh i was in complete shock as i thought things where going good, its sad to learn all of this shady behind the scenes stuff...
christ, that’s awful. I feel SO bad for all the volunteers that worked so hard but didn’t get a single cent or even a finished product out of it. which is also why I was wondering, if they made around $63k… and if they spent $224 per month on the server for around 36 (?) months, that’s $8,064, plus the other $1000+ one developer received and some more money for two other team members, that’s maybe $10k total, $15k at most. so unless other people got paid that we didn’t know about… what happened to the tens of thousands of dollars left over??? I don’t want to start jumping to conclusions but if she had whole team of unpaid volunteers and at least $50k left over what exactly happened to all the money???
to follow up with that, I’m surprised that the volunteers didn’t start demanding to get paid or otherwise ditch the team by the time they were poring tens of hours a week into working on this mod coupled with Hannah’s aggressive deadlines and ridiculous revisions, they absolutely should have pushed for money because they were quite literally the entire lifeblood of the game (not Hannah). this is NOT blaming the volunteers in the slightest, I completely empathize with their situation I simply just don’t know how else to word this.
but I hope that in the future for any aspiring developers or anyone hoping to help volunteer for a project- volunteering is totally fine, especially for tiny indie projects at first, but once you put in so much time and effort and the creator you work for starts making money for themselves, you absolutely deserve part of that compensation if you really helped build the project from ground up. don’t be afraid to ask for what you rightly deserve, and leave if they refuse to compensate you for your work. trust me, it’s not worth putting so much blood sweat and tears into a project where you see NONE of the funds and work entirely for free. *if you work and are treated as a paid employee, then you better get compensated like one.*
I was thinking the same thing , and it was kind of all of sudden life is better and i'm shutting down. Well yeah you had all that money. She points out too much about how she was poor and had to eat tortilla with peanut butter every day. I was so poor i had to eat from a food pantry and limit how much a day i ate that, and the worst was the canned pork and chicken. However when i tell my story about my having to eat i just say i was so poor i had to eat from food pantry for while. People who go into great dramatic detail like her might not be telling the truth. No one saw her bank account so no one knows what she really had. Some developers and twitch content creators will state that food , bills , and anything needed to keep the developer doing their job healthy and running the equipment to work on the project is where the money goes that people donate. I find it hard to believe she could not eat better than that with all the money that was missing and not spent on the project.
Im not even into horse games at all, but ive been enjoying listening to your videos a lot! Thank you for making timewalking leveling in wow a lot more interesting and fun 💜
This is a brilliant and very entertaining video essay- the father ted clip definitely caught me off guard . Keep up the great work Rattle!!
Oh I was just binging your other videos and thsi pops up? ❤️
hot damn. add a bit of "crazy" to her characteristics too.
"I'm *Closing* this chapter"- *Leaves money getting options open* girl, pick a lane. Is it closed or is it open?
I'd hecking love to make a horse game. i also know I'm incapable of doing so. Like ark/palworld with horses instead.
I am absolutely not a horse person but I have been modding video games for over fourteen years and this entire situation is so flippin' common in apparently every modding community. Hurt egos, people not capable of taking criticism, "project leaders" who think they can exploit the people providing the materials/meshes/textures/voice acting, etc. And as soon as money becomes relevant, everything just becomes worse. I can still remember when a modder threatened a 12 year-old because the latter accidentally had shared their paid-for Sims 2 hair mesh.
Bonus points when the person managing the project has no idea what they are doing, as Hannah here.
I personally had to leave a project I was part of (Mod for TES: Oblivion) because the "manager" was incredible condescending because he could not understand how texturing models worked and asked for things that were just not possible.
Being passionate about a hobby is a great thing, but a lot of people are also in it because they are Narcissists who want to live on the praise of the community. In the end it is not the mod or the game that matters, but them stroking their own ego. That is why they react so aggressively when things are not going perfectly.
Yeah. If there's one thing I've learned it's if the project lead is an "ideas" person and little to nothing else it's better to just not join up and save yourself the headache
@BlinkingTwin i think having an "idea person" as a lead is not inherently a problem, but it can become one depending on their motivation.
I am currently working as an artist for a tabletop project and the team leader is an idea person but he is motivated by the project itself. He wants to see it work and to be a success, and thus is aware that he has to listen to his team.
People like Hannah are motivated by ego, not the project itself and that is the main issue. You could immediately tell by the fact that it was devoted to *her horse*- the project was not about the project itself, but her. She did not care about it being successful, which is why she dropped it like a hot potato and was not willing to hand it to someone else-without herself, in her eyes, the project does not need to exist, because Hannah and her ego always were the main motivation.
And since success of the mod was just a positive side effect to all the ego stroking, she had no reason to listen to more experienced people.
@@ragnarkjell8586 That's why I also said little to nothing else tbh. Ideas are great but without a drive to see them succeed and a willingness to pull your own weight it's an eventual crash and burn almost every time with projects like these
I live for the editing done in this video. I HATE clowns, but fuck that was hilarious and fitting.
😂 Could not resist it XD
this is so spooky bc I just found SWEM and was super hyped but didn't want to play right away and went to yt to see your video
The fact that there are people like this in the world good lord-
If Lucy's passing wasn't a slap to the face by reality, then it'll probably have to be something bigger than that in order to have her realize how much she fucked up.
I was so upset to see this mod get discontinued all of a sudden. I haven’t watched the video yet so i’m sure i’ll come back to add to this once I do.
I am at a loss for words, as someone who rooted for this mod, crap i got a pc and bought the game FOR THIS MOD and to know people where treated so horribly makes me sick. Im hesrt broken that she took advantage of VOLUNTEERS and treated them like crap and talked behind just peachy's (who seems like a rrally nice person) back when she was your markings person. I can definitely agree with the Is narcissistic behavior and if i had never found this video i would have though she was a good person. Peachy of your seeing this im so sorry you had to go through that and to everyone who worked (and did not get paid for your blood sweat and tears) for her i hope you all get some sort of Relief with being forced to put up with that Unbelievable childish and narcissistic behavior.
everytime I see you have uploaded I grab a cup of tea and get comfy with a blanket, ready to listen XD