Sleep Token Leak: Legit or Just Wild Marketing?
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2024
- Sleep Token recently wiped all the photos from their Instagram, leading some fans to speculate that the band may be calling it quits after a recent doxing... But how much truth is there to the story?
00:00 Public Service Announcement
01:32 Intro / Story Background
02:24 Sleep Token Wiped Instagram
03:23 Fans' Reactions
06:18 Leaked Birth Certificates
09:51 I Have Doubts... / Fan Lore
12:30 Marketing For New Album?
13:00 The Band's Identities
14:57 What Does A Leaker Have To Gain?
16:01 Leaving The Internet Won't Do Anything
17:30 Don't Believe Everything On The Internet
18:32 Sleep Token's Next Steps
20:02 Final Thoughts / Outro
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One more time for the people that don’t get it…
While the information is out there, I still respect the band’s and fans’ wishes of anonymity. Anyone posting the real names of any of the band members, or links to articles that have revealed such, will be blocked from the channel.
Thank you for the sanity check
Stalker girl is a marketing rep
Ok I mean you wanted proof it's out there. No one was lying. I'm upset people are making sleep token sound like they made this up for a marketing scheme that's not true.
Yet it was ok when kerrang (biggest rock mag in the uk) did it? Seriously names have been revealed before including like I said by kerrang who referenced a member's former project, but since it's on the net it's become a big no no all of a sudden?
@@devita4826same here. And since there is screenshots of what happened… why would they, let alone anyone, would want to fake this incident?
I hate parasocial relationships. I’ve gotten to meet some cool people in the past few years and the fear that artists have about people fawning over them almost ruins an experience for me trying to simply talk to them and let them know their music is awesome. Bands shouldn’t have to worry about that everywhere they go.
100% agree with you.
and these are rock bands. imagine being a female popstar!!
the beauty of it all is: I hadn't heard of this band before, and am now REALLY enjoying their music
Mission accomplished!
The fact that someone possibly got hands on a birth certificate from someone in the band is nuts, it’s some psycho shit fr
100%. Even if it didn't happen, the fact that there are people out there that WOULD go to those lengths is super disturbing.
@@TankTheTech very disturbing. Thank, btw CZcams just recommended a video that blacklit canopy(if you know you know haha) just posted yesterday… this whole thing is weird, I hope this birth certificate wasn’t leaked and they announce something big soon
@@viteraful That BC re-release was recommended for me to watch also. Interesting timing at minimum
@viteraful im pretty sure he made that name with incubus in mind lol
Anyone can get anyone birth certificate. It’s public record. No crime in doing that.. but dozing people just to ruin the fans time.. abhorrent.
It's the same thing as with every band that wants to be anonymous. Somebody will always try to go out of their way to ruin it for everyone else. Skynd right now are another current example. For her, it's gotten so bad that she officially asks "fans" not to approach her before she is in makeup and costume and also not before they show up at the merch booth after the show.
If she asks fans not to approach her when she’s not in makeup/character, doesn’t that mean they already know who she is?
@@TankTheTech that's the point. despite doing everything to keep the mystery, more people seem to know it and hust don't care that the mystique is part of what Skynd actually is. And of course, being completely disrespectful of her wishes.
@@TankTheTechit is like mark(the guy who played the character) and the undertaker
@@TankTheTech Probably. Japan has something very similar with the idol scene both alt and traditional. You aren't supposed to approach them when they are off the clock ie not on stage, at the merch table, doing photos with fans, or other official activities. Many of them have everyday side jobs that they do to make a living so you may see them in everyday life. Even in a city as big as say Tokyo or Osaka.
I don't even think of it as going out of their way to ruin it. If a famous artist exists in the public eye and is popular, at some point the pressure of fans wanting more info will cause leaks. its inevitable eventually.
You got a great point about metal publications taking so long in regards to a leak. Especially since it’s the weekend, it would drive clicks to a website during slow days
If it is a marketing scheme then it’s gross, if it’s legit, it’s very gross
Nah it's a genius marketing
@@prodigalbrock it can be genius marketing and very gross at the same time, those are not mutually exclusive
If it is true then the fans, as normal, are so detached from reality that it is scary.
The band didn’t make up the doxxing story the fans did. Wiping social media as a “reset” is common and effective.
I don’t think it’s gross if it’s marketing. They’ve been playing with our minds from the beginning. It’s a massive artifact of their work. The whole project is hinging on shedding light on our obsessions. I mean I think Ascensionisim is essentially About our obsession with cyber medium. Diamonds in the trees pentagrams in the night sky. Cellphone towers and satellites. Also in the first interview they said “nothing lasts forever” I think the record take me back to Eden was about our obsessions and difficulty with modernity. It’s beautiful. Relax everyone enjoy the ride..
I was in the notorious group which started all this drama. The admin never released the birth certificates, only claimed she had them. She is unhinged and her actions/words brought the whole group down. It was just really bad timing with the tour announcement, which was going to happen anyway - Sleep Token mentioned months ago that more rituals were to be announced in January.
Thank you for saying this. I've had a handful of people from that group say the same, but still some people claiming she released everything and that they saw it with their own eyes.
I don’t think the doxxing was part of it - I think it genuinely happened and was just very poorly timed with a marketing ploy from them. I don’t think any band out there would be stupid enough to think that would be a good idea, especially as it’s made so many people angry. I think the wiping of their IG account was genuinely planned and that despite the identity issue they’ve got a schedule to stick to and have just carried on. Wiping their IG would have caused enough hype without anything else.
The doxxing part, like Tank said, was likely a fan theory that blew up
@@Bound2Asgard yeah possibly, I haven’t seen any proof of it so I’ll have to sit on the fence - but I certainly don’t think the band had anything to do with it
@198clm the lack of proof is telling given how easily media outlets are able to jump on it. Whether it's true or not it works in the bands favor
@@Bound2Asgard it does but it leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. I absolutely hate this kind of drama and gossip
The doxxing actually happened, but the fan theory that "blew up" is the theory that the doxxing is part of the marketing strategy - which is insane to think of because they are serious about keeping their anonymity. @@Bound2Asgard
The point about the leaks taking a while to show up in media is very fair especially when you consider how quickly the identity of Mr. Lordi got spread online once the media learned his real name. Tobias Forge's name also spread like wildfire as soon as the lawsuit between him and former Ghost band members went up.
To be fair, Tobias Forge was known to a lot of fans way before the lawsuit. His voice gave him away as the guy from Subvision.
Just look at the Wembley performance and its obvious they aren't done. They just updated their masks and completely revamped their live show, plus there's that II drumeo feature. This isn't something they would do if they were quitting with the reputation they had - they're building towards something else. My guess is that they're going to lean more into both the metal and pop-ish sides of their music, rather than the feels, which I say because their new flashy show and masks really scream 'mainstream' to me, and I don't think that's a bad thing. I think it'd be much better to discuss how much longer they'll be going for, rather than if they're quitting now. I wouldn't be surprised if they have a very strict plan for how much music they're going to make before being done. Maybe these 3 albums were a sort of first act for them, who knows.
It’s a new era marketing initiative. The new world tour (headliner) will be the focus. You are going to see arena’s, big name venues (I.e. Radio City Music Hall), etc… listed and the production will be amped up by a multiple of… who knows? This band is theater, and they will continue to eclipse the previous iterations year over year. They are smart people.
iii has reactivated his instagram account just now. Great video tank, you gave some perspectives I never really thought about. It was very refreshing to see!
I will say this. Those who know used to be in III's twitch streams as recently as last year and followed his personal IG. Hes been doxxed before and deleted his personal account and stopped streaming. Doesnt shock me if this happened to him again.
who else can't stop admiring Tanks sweater lol? Great vid as always man!
I just discovered this channel recently and I’m discovering a lot of new bands and I love it
Man, Tank, you are really good at this. Being a CZcamsr or Twitcher or whatever one would call it. Not only do you know your stuff, but you tell it like it is while being respectful and honest, willing to admit if you’re wrong, no rubbing things in, and certainly all above board morally. As far as I know I guess haha.
Such a great take, Tank. Thanks for the upload! This channel is S tier.
I admittedly was pretty quick to believe it, only because IT IS the Internet, and people can be really shitty and do stupid things. I guess it’s a highly plausible situation to have happened. HOWEVER, I did see a tiktok “music news reel” from the UK going around saying that the person whom did the doxing is being dealt with and is facing legal repercussions.
Also, you make absolutely valid points here, and are also extremely plausible. This was very insightful discussion. Thanks!
Of course it ends up being a major tour announcement. As you mentioned in the video its very easy to figure out who they are and even the "nothing lasts forever" and the post of the song Ascensionism on X pointed to something else that was uploaded on youtube that same day by a member of the band.
Cheers man. that was fun. Whatever the situation I'm sure management were rubbing their hands together from all the promotion.
Its easy to find it out. I recently stumbled across a page telling their names as I just wanted to look up their Diskographie, cause I discovered them recently. I wondered about this being showed there, because that shouldn't be. But it doesn' t make me that sad, cuz now I have even more music from that fantastic singer to worship, all the older stuff where he already sounds so great.
This could have been a legit cybersecurity response on the basis of a rumor that they are working to confirm or deny. If that's the case, was a real pro move and they are on top of it.
Love this video, thanks. Reminds me of the xerox scanner bug. Even if the birth certificate thing is real it is probably affected by the bug...
I have a hard time believing that a band that has built themselves up all these years would like something like this be the reason they break up.
I always love to hear your opinions on something. Yours and mine may differ, but that's completely ok. And something that has to be.
(Btw is the hair tie for your beard from your daughter?? If so, that's fkng cute and wholesome!)
So, essentially there was this telegram group set up because you can't (obviously) discuss who the people behind the masks are on the subreddit and they wanted to be able to do that and to share unmasked media of them. That's what I understood anyway. I saw a screenshot from the group posted on reddit but I think loads of stuff has since been deleted. The screenshot showed the admin of the group saying they would share all of their birth certificates and unclothed photos of one of the band members. So, I don't think anything was actually shared but it does seem this person was threatening to share them. Either way, it's gross. I think the IG stuff is a separate thing and just marketing. Just my opinion! Btw this is just what I got from various reddit threads - I was not in this group. Seems weird to me. Wouldn't be surprised if a lot has been deleted.
That’s exactly what I think it is. They’ve had a marketing plan - maybe a new song and new look and this has just been very poorly timed, but they’ve stuck with the plan in the hope the other part will blow over
@@198clm Yeah I reckon that's what's happening. And tbh probably a good thing just to carry on like usual. The group has been deleted apparently, so hopefully this dies down. And if this person does have this information, then I guess they can deal with that off to the side if they have to.
Ive seen the same screen shots- didn't the person hire someone to keep tabs on them? And i believe she tried to justify the birth certificate thing as "to confirm the members age" for something. Either way SUPER GROSS and disgusting- hope the band and their families are okay if it turns out to be legit
@@jadeH23.16 Yeah exactly that. And also asked someone to illegally obtain something. I think it was videos. They declined. She essentially asked for info so she could do it herself but they luckily fobbed her off. What an unhinged person. The screenshots were bonkers. I can only imagine what was said generally in the chats / group.
Another voice to confirm that this comment is accurate.
As a band who started out not wanting to be known on a personal level, they can’t really just all of a sudden be like “okay we changed our minds! This is who we are!” So if they have changed their minds, this could be a way to do it without just announcing it
One day later here - it has to be marketing combined with the coincidence of the one member being doxxed. TBH, prior to this we've already have had info on who the members are but most of the fans keep it quiet because the band has requested it. They are not the first entity to clean their social media when gearing up for something bigger and better, nor would they have wasted the money on the new costumes or the step up in hiring extra musicians and dancers to be on stage with them. The story told in the three albums was a beautiful one, one that can be produced into something much bigger too, but now it's time to see what amazing thing they come up with next. Plus, I and III are advertising the ticket pre-order now on IG for their Teeth of God NA tour, so there's something more coming for sure.
I dont know if the lore was the fans or the band, but from what I heard, Vessel gave the base of the story and not the whole thing and the fans are the ones that spread the story into what it is. But I truly got scared at the moment, but then realized that it could be all Marketing, plus, its been a month since Wembley on the 16th, maybe a new single for the next era or just Vessel new mask before a new era/tour/imagery. Also, Tank, extra points for combining the t-shirt with the thing on your beard, nice touch.
The matching hair tie/shirt combo was actually not planned, but thank you for noticing. Haha
Wtf happened now? I feel like anytime I loop in to find out what’s up with st and get a whiff of fandom drama, my brain cells get utterly eradicated & my head hurts ffs…but appreciate your getting to the point in dispelling misinfo which attn seeking fanbases engage in. Bad Omens has had to have their team reply on twitter to dispel similar misinfo apparently about a year ago or so. Who has the time and energy for following every single little thing of all the stuff going on in the world…I’ve heard of telegram but not curious to check it out as it sounds off putting as though it were truth social meets the telegraph. In that vein, seems fitting this bs originated from such a non-place. I’m glad I only checked out/skipped around your video instead of dipping into certain fandom’s warped mind trips. Thank you for organizing your vids with time stamps. These fandoms are going to regret the time/energy they lose in this kind of bs I swear. I regret as much barely hearing about it as an outsider.
Thanks for putting this into perspective for me. I got caught up in the panic I’ll be honest, so thank you for reminding me to calm the f down lol.
Before this weekend I was only peripherally aware of Sleep Token.
Now I'm seeing as the KLF of Metal and wondering when the first reference to Ancients or Mu Mu has or will appear in their lyrics as they sure seem to be taking more than a single page from the KLF playbook.
Until they burn a million pounds, I'll hold off on comparisons. Moo.
@@audiblezero It'd be straight up plagiarism at that point.
Definitely with you about it being fishy...
As well as your earlier album review, the album should have ended earlier, not to say the material wasn't good or anything
All the previous ones had more of a flow...
Also the reversing of the drums in some areas plus the drums being from the drummers point of view and then from the audience's is a bit confusing...
Anyway I've been probably too involved to be objective here...
Sorry for having talked in circles
Thank you for underlining the need for critical thinking when it comes to information on the net. No matter the topic, asking yourself the question "Does this even sound legit" is so important. Digging into the topic and discussing the options is a great way to demonstrate this to fans who may, at times, forget they have a fully functioning brain.
Yeah I'd rather take the word of someone who has seen and continues to work through the ins and outs of the music industry than wildfire online, not knowing who or what to trust. Thanks for your insights Tank.
I think this is a marketing stunt. Ghost (Tobias) tried to remain anonymous also. He was outed in a legal dispute. And when a "new" Papa Emeritus was to be announced, he did a video. It usually coincided with a new album.
I agree with tank i think its marketing, hell i wouldnt be surprised if nothing last forever is actually the name of an upcoming single or album.
really cool pullover! Where did u get it?
That shirt is badass Tank!
Just saw a video by Metalbird, he claimed to have gotten his info from a liable source and what he said is: A fan actually has collected details from the band members, but from what I've understood those weren't massively shared as people have claimed. I do believe that it did actually happen, but a marketing stunt by the fans themselves is a very real possibility. I don't think sleeptoken would do such a gross marketing stunt.
No they weren't shared, at least as far as the subreddit associated with the telegram. If it had been shared at all, as I understand it, it was a dm between two people at the most. And then that telegram got *shut down* by one of the two people. But mostly it just seems a sharing of "I have this" not a photo *of* it. And even while there was some stalkery fans in the sub that would have remade the telegram, there was also plenty of people angry and appalled that someone thought that birth certificate thing was appropriate.
(I wasn't part of the telegram ever, and only had been in that sub like a month before it got privated. Just there for the music...)
Love your intro, yes we live in a time where history can be re-written.so easily
I agree with Tank! Where's the screenshot of the personal info?
Without saying any titles or names, but another odd piece of the possible marketing is a certain old music projects certain youtube channel that hasnt posted anything in 9 years just yesterday, the same time of all this going down, posted what sounds like a remastered old live audio performance and has some certain hinting lyrics within it as well that could connect/callback to Sleep Token
I think it began with the rumor made by fans, but I think the band is already planning on announcing/dropping something and took advantage of the moment, because the band already will always get a huge level of attention but having a member delete his account (it’s back up again as of today) and then the day following, the bands official deleting all their posts has gotten literally every outlet and account talking. It’s gotta be some sort of attention grabber at this point to announce something. And if it’s not, then it’s defentily a sucky situation for III and the band I’m sure, but the fact there’s no evidence of the leak, it’s gotta be marketing
Love the video! I never thought about it that much. I just simply saw the headline and moved on and didn’t really think about it or research it so I did believe it. Like I’ve said a few times on this channel this is the reason I stopped following politics. You couldn’t believe anything you saw anymore. There would be no proof and people would post articles and headlines and all of the followers and the page themselves would go around presenting it as fact. A great example is it was said by tons of people after hamas bombed Israel that it was going to be the start of WW3 and that there was an impending terrorist attack here in America and I knew a bunch of people personally who were terrified and were getting worked up and I straight up said nothing is going to happen and nothing major here in America has happened yet
I don't think the "leak" and the deletion are related, it's probably just shitty timing. Also it's super easy to figure their identities out, Vessels former band randomly just posted a new song yesterday too
there is more to this I wanna dive into, but it involves identities and previous bands, etc. So much more happened yesterday (1/16) than I care to explain for the sake of fans.
Some people are creepy fucks and that will always be the case. I haven't seen the video yet (20 min until it premieres), but I would suspect that the instagram wipeout was scheduled for a while now for marketing purposes (exactly a month after wembley show is sus) and some sort of announcement is coming.
III has been off social media before when some other fans crossed the line so it's nothing new.
I don't see the "leak" as having been planned by the sleep token team, not sure if this is implied in the video (hopefully not), even if she didn't actually leak anything, that person is really not well from the screenshots I've seen and I doubt the band would do anything like that. I haven't seen proof she leaked anything of substance, she was just creepy stalking the band's friends and relatives for photos and info.
Curious to see what Tank has to say about this and all the best to sleep token, excited about what they'll reveal next
Hahaha (non related) but I've seen many of your videos, however only today I've noticed the Blind Channel's album cover in the background 🤣
It really depends on what kind of fan group you're talking about. If you're talking about a huge fan group with many members, I'm completely on your side. That said, there are small, private fan groups that will sometimes leak information. The example I have in mind is not a current one, but 12 or 13 years back I was a fan of a youtube channel and really active in the community. Turned out that the person running that channel did some seriously, seriously bad things - and this information was rumored for a long time but never made public. Their channel got deleted and we made clear that something bad happened, but there was a police investigation done privately with the involved people and the exact crime never came to the public eye, to protect the victims.
I'm with you in that the instagram part is likely a marketing strategy, given that we have seen such things a lot in recent years. But I think your argument that without screenshots it's hard to believe that something happened is not too strong, just from personal experience. I think if this happened, it was likely in a small group of fans that can stay relatively private and people will talk about it without sharing screenshots or details - that is what happened in the story I described above. That said, while still really bad it's a different magnitude of doxxing than releasing it so that the whole world can see it.
I’m with ya on the lack of screen shots. Seriously how quickly was that post made and deleted about the “new” Slipknot drummer yet there’s screenshots
I think no matter who they are. Even if we knew who they are, I'd hope we all still just call them by their stage names and give them that respect.
Tbh i agree with the doxxing thing potentially being made up by fans etc. Sleep token have put out statements before when people were claiming to be the band to scam people and stuff (i believe the statements are still on ST's instagram). If the band were actually being doxxed and something that serious was happening they definitely would've put a statement out by now
In the US, does a persons birthcir. have a current adress? Is it the same as the insanely rule to have an adress on your driving license?
I’m a casual ST fan, mostly because I love II’s drumming. I honestly had no idea the “lore” of the band is mostly fan fiction
If you google it, it's kina wild. Seems very biblical/LothR based
I’m just getting into them, and learning this just today felt gross. The subreddits are a weird place to lurk around. The fanbase as a whole is becoming toxic.
@@kdean509 the fanbase scares me. Same with Lorna Shore and Bad Omens. All fantastic bands, but man the fanbases are gross
@@therestingmitchface6241 if you’re such a fan of Lorna Shore, what’s Will’s shoe size and blood type!?! What color did his mom paint his nursery?!?
lol… jk, of course but it sure feels like that sometimes!
Yeah, they have a real creepy fanbase, they make swiftness look normal.
I would like to point out that they are coming to Red Rocks in few months. I also saw a date for a NY show. Maybe what they are going to announce is a US tour?
I don't know much about the lore or anything but love the music. That being said, I wonder if it's like a tense for a new tour themed around birth?
I have 2 thoughts. First one is what if the supposed "leak" was a chain of misunderstood communications? What do I mean? What if the supposed leaker said that he/she figured out whom the members might be and linked/deleted the source you mention in the video? (No worries I am not spoiling anything. I just watched the video and I am too lazy to do the search right now.) Then the person leaves the telegram room, another person comes in and is told by others what happened, but with alternations, and then the new person mentions it further and say 20 people later it is reported by the press, where everybody along the way changes something in the story along the way, so we go from "I figured out whom the guys are" to "we have birth certificates and addresses of the members" (let's face it we already have mis-reportings of it being just III to all the members (and all supposedly mind you as you said.))
As for the potential new album with the masks change and clear up of their IG. What if they already have the new material written and at least pre-recorded or demoed? I mean their albums were released in '19, '21 and '23. Was it possible they were all written (or at least planned and partially written) before the release of the first one? Let's face it Metallica and Guns N Roses did so with Load/Reload and Use Your Illusion as far as I know. So did Jerry Cantrell with Degradation Trip, it just was that the label orriginaly didn't want to release double album at first. Similarly Red Hot Chili Peppers have had troubles with their label when they wanted to release 7 albums in a short time. While at the same time Lordi released a 7 album collection as Mr. Lordi stated when the plague hit they could not tour so he began writing. Similar thing could have happened with Sleep Token where they picked up the production pace behind the scenes and finished the trilogy way ahead of the schedule and then created extra content. (And I do not even want to mention Psych Synner's infamous 9 albums released all at once, plus another 2 added not that longer after.)
Just my two cents here ;)
I'm a huge ST fan. That being said, i would like to think that you're right. This could be a fabrication by a fan or group. I'm hoping that's the case. I agree that the band isn't behind it, since this perfectly illustrates their reasoning for why they want to be anonymous in the first place. It's about the music, and who is making it doesn't matter at all. If the band was behind it, this would erase all credibility and merit that they've been committed to since 2016. I just don't see that being a thing.
If nothing else, this whole mess just shows people suck and why we can't have nice things.
You nailed it with that last sentence.
As they are a British band
they can likely use the GDPR
(or its replacement after Brexit)
and that is a very strong data protection
set of standards.
iii has since returned to instagram
Tour just announced. Who could've guessed.
You nailed it sir. That is exactly what this is. They are going to use the whole "birth certificate" thing as a now they have to adopt a new "identity"
Just saying.
Good job Tank!!
I believe there's obsessive fans that could dox III's info. But with a band that relies so heavily into marketing and gimmicks like Sleep Token, it reeks of marketing. To me it sounds like a combination of fan gossip and marketing and it was either a weird coincidence or a very conscious effort to make people pay attention to a near-future announcement. As a former artist manager in my country, I did do some marketing tricks and this sounds like something a colleague would pull out.
Most fans already have a good idea who they are, but we respect the band’s decision for anonymity.
A local radio station (Lazer 103.3 in Iowa) posting up a show announcement last week and then deleting it definitely leads me to believe this is all a marketing stunt 😂
I kinda agree that it's a bit sus.
I do use this app regularly as it is one of the most popular apps in my country for social media.
I just want to let yall know that in this particular app it is very easy to prevent people from taking screenshots or to disable the forwarding option in group chats or channels. Also you can delete your messages from both ends pretty easily (even if you're not the actual sender) so it could be a bit harder to keep track of what is being shared in this app if the person has their privacy security settings too tight.
I was not in this particular group and have no information regarding how open their group was so idk just letting yall know it can be hard.
Wayne Static would be proud of the beard
Completely agree. This reeks of publicity. IF III was really dox'ed, he should absolutely take legal action. But like you said, screenshots would be everywhere.
Breakdown media on TikTok seemed to have inside information and said they are taking legal action
@@198clmEveryone claims to have insider info from different sources and I don’t know if I believe any of it was directly from someone in the close circle to the band. Because I DID get some insider info about the situation after I filmed this, directly from a crew member, but was told to please not repeat ANYTHING because the band and their camp are so anonymous. They only told me for my own clarity, not to repeat around. I find it hard to believe anyone in their circle would give info out to be repeated.
It's not, there was a telegram room dedicated to exposing all their info. The telegram got deleted after a fight broke out with the admin and the reddit mods deleted the posts. But screenshots are around in DMs, ppl just don't want to post that publicly for all the nonfans to abuse.
@@joyjoyz778 pretty much what i have read as well. And the admin who claimed to have the birth certificates never actually posted them. Only claimed that she had them.
@@prideofalion Which is really what I've been arguing here. I doubt doubt any of the stuff I've been hearing about Telegram. I just doubted the media story of "birth certificates leaked to the public" from the very beginning, because that would have been a MASSIVE story that people would have had receipts of. I think rumors started from the telegram, they spread around and kept getting exaggerated more and more, until we got to this "massive leak/dox" where we're at now.
They just dropped some tour dates! We can go back to worshipping now
Whenever a band starts out it’s with a dream of spreading their art, with that comes some sort of urge to recive the credit for the work.
You don’t tour the world cramped in a tiny camper, sleep on shitty hotels and don’t see your family for months on end without some end goal.
That’s hard when you are “anonymous” and when your project suddenly absolutely blows up, that urge will not get smaller.
The recent moves the band has made into giving ii, iii and iv more of an identity, individual masks, interviews ect. Has slowly convinced me that they are stepping away from the whole “secret identity” brand.
This could be a step in that direction too? I think Slowly tearing down the separation between their characters and real world identities would make the transition easier for a lot of fans🤷♂️
Just speculating here but I think the fact that they have become so big recently plays a part?
I reckon they have a lot of talent and are playing their hand strongly to the market. I also think that it will be a band people look at and say, oh, yeah, that era. the same way Id look at blindside or other early 00s screamo now
Just wrapping it up and yeah, that's a VERY old rule: pics or it didn't happen. Always enjoying the content, Tank.
Well nowadays, pics are part of the lie. The quality of photoshoppers and VFX artists makes it so that even those 'reliable' methods aren't enough.
@@leadpaintchips9461 Yeah, the modern age definitely makes that a possibility, pro photoshoppers and AI generation as well. But even with that in play, there was nothing? Nothing at all, no pics, no screenshots, no deep fakes, just a ton of inet hearsay? Highly suspect.
I heard Sleep Token a couple of times, not a big fan, but after that kind of videos of course i googled the articles. So I believe the marketing is working anyway
You're exactly right. If this happened, there would be screenshots. Maybe not on Reddit (because its mostly moderated) but certainly on Twitter and other places. And the band has the type of rabid fan base that could and would perpetuate this kind of story from nowhere.
Screenshots exist. Metalbirb posted a video today about it, and he saw them. The only thing Crazy Jane Doe didn't do, was go public with the information. There is a subreddit that has been privated over the whole incident, and multiple firsthand accounts of people who were invited to the Telegraph group. I understand being skeptical, and I applaud people thinking about this critically, but the doxxing happened. Now as to whether the timing was just unfortunate, that I don't know. Time will tell.
Don't victim shame/blame. It's gross. Them posting Ascensionism with no context only lends to the whole wanting to be left the hell alone.
@user-xe9hm3wl5b not true. The screenshots Metalbirb mentioned were of conversations of the person claiming to have the birth certificates and info, not the info itself. This type of misrepresentation of the facts is why this thing has blown up on the first place
@@Bound2Asgard Just because it's not the info itself it doesn't make it less serious. Having anyone claiming to have those information is a scary thing.
@TabbyWithMittens not saying it isn't. Yet instead of making a statement and clearing that up, they are allowing the fans to lose their frigging minds and exaggerate the situation for publicity.
if you go to sleep tokens youtube, the first music video uploaded has "lore" in the description. i would guess the stuff there is about as far as st takes the lore themselves- i think the fans take it farther from there which is where it starts to get weird and like idk i just get flashbacks to being in middle school it definitely reminds me of the emo era fanfic stuff lol
I would say there is a slight possibility they could be done. I know Slipknot has gone on record saying they wanted to quit after Iowa and leave everyone clueless.
Tank you have got to mention how blacklit canopy released a live version of there song mud angel the same night
Your points are legit. If it’s fans spreading rumors, then the fans are F’ed.
Has Ghost done this for imagine changing?
I saw someone in chat had said that III isn't really credited anywhere except the album itself, so it's possible they're getting a new III. With Vessel and II being the creative force, it's possible they sign contracts with a III and a IV that agree to do recording work and go on a tour for the album.
So then maybe the answer is a combination of everything? Insta getting wiped along with "Nothing lasts forever" feels very marketing to me. Plus, the album title "Take Me Back to Eden" literally implies nothing lasts forever, not even Eden. With TMBTE and the trilogy done and the band presumably starting work on the next thing, they could be signing a new III to the band and wiping the account to give to the next person that comes in. Then either to explain all of this or as the world's best timed rumor, the doxxing story comes out and spreads lightning fast. The answer is usually something in between all the noise, after all
And Tank is proven correct once again, at least as far as them announcing a new tour!
Well…I was suspicious about the 21s to find the identity. Well yeah I got it in about 20s as well 😂 Pretty funny. Great video
There was a song that was dropped with the frase "Nothing is infinite to me". If you know you know. It is not over. We are going on another adventure.
Really crazy!!
If a band wants anonymity I give it to them, I'm here for the music I don't care about who is behind the mask. If they are cool dudes, hey thats great, but what got me hooked to Sleep Token was their music. Love your more skeptical approach, I'm glad you where going that direction, I am leaning more towards this is just them moving into a new era of Sleep Token it would be stupid for them to walk away now they are insanely popular but people gotta give these guys their anonymity they wanted it that way and you gotta respect them enough to at least give them that.
From what i understand, and what I've seen, the birth certificate wasnt actuallu released. It was threatened by the admin on that telegram along with some other info and personal pics. ST management was made aware of it. But, i think this all happened at very unfortunate timing while the band was amping up for this new "era" tour announcement. (The wipe of IG) III has done this before actually. No one knows if the threat of the leak has anything to do with anything.
The bad thing is the person who was responsible for all this drama had mentioned several times she wasn't a fan of the band.
wouldn't it be genius marketing if they release content later sacrificing III to the goddess sleep or him being reborn or anything like that :D
Nonetheless it makes people speak about them and just fuels the lore around them, whoever spread it in the first place.
Can’t speak to any other platform but on Apple Music, Vessel and II’s actual names are used in the songwriting credits.
I’m curious has anything like this happened with bmth? They have a similar fan base who seem just as obsessed minus the stalker the stuff from what I’ve seen
Lore reaction videos are the new breakdown reaction videos
I think the anonymity of Sleep Token is not as defined as "we don't want you to know who we are". As you said, that information is easy to find. I think it might be more of Sleep Token characters will speak for Sleep Token matters, and the band members when not on stage or in character will not speak for or about Sleep Token. Compare it to the first two rules of Fight Club. 1. You do not talk about Fight Club 2. You do NOT talk about Fight Club! This band has created these characters to tell a story, but the story ends when the lights come up.
Interesting
thank you for the little psa about not believing everything you read on the internet. ppl really tend to take everything at face value- me too btw i try not too but its not that easy
I just enjoy their great music and I don't give a crap who they are. obviously its easy to find out in this day and age of infinite information, and I'm sure they know and accept this. regardless, it shows their commitment to the band's music over personal recognition which is unheard of in this world.
Literally took me 17 seconds to find the same info you found about the band members. A little shocked considering how much they push the anonymity thing
Why is there a home address on birth certificate?
Guess who just announced another huge tour!!!!
Aw yis, early-00s numetal fansite chaos is back, baby.
Thanks tank. I hate seeing this tik tok and news place milking this for likes and clicks. At least you gave your opinion in a calm manner. Also explaining yes alot of people are super gullible.
Bands used to make entirely new websites for upcoming album, and ditch the "old" site. Sometimes even ditching domains named after the artists.