Are Avenged Sevenfold‘s Bus Costs REALLY that bad?
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
- Touring in 2023 is lined up to be the most expensive years for both bands and fans in the history of the music industry. M Shadows of Avenged Sevenfold recently said their bus expenses are 2 million dollars more this year than the last time they toured, which made me want to do an updated tour bus cost video. I'll break down multiple different real bus quotes from companies in the entertainment industry, as well as discuss extra fees that are tacked on, the price of trucking, and a lot more.
00:00 Intro
00:33 M. Shadows On Tour Bus Costs
03:12 We're Breaking Down REAL Quotes
03:50 The Timestamp for Impatient People...
04:50 QUOTE 1 DISCUSSION
12:41 Artists LOSE Money When Shows Cancel
13:13 Running A Bus Company Is Expensive
14:17 How Much Does A New Bus Cost?
14:59 QUOTE 2 DISCUSSION
17:07 QUOTE 3 DISCUSSION
19:09 QUOTE 4 DISCUSSION
21:46 Bandwagon Rental Prices
25:07 Touring Costs Add Up FAST
27:02 M Shadows' Number Make Sense Now
28:05 Outro
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Super interesting to me as a complete outsider to the music industry to see breakdowns like these, and really highlights why it's so hard for smaller bands to put on full-fledged tours, particularly internationally
Smaller bands have huge problems getting paid. When ur not big and famous you don’t have contracts with venues, lawyers and money to pay lawyers. Even smaller bands that use contracts if the venue doesn’t pay they don’t have the money to take them to court.
@@peanutbutterisfu I wondered how much bands make when they play in front of audiences of only 500-2000 people. Like 1000 people who paid $50 means it generated 50k, but only a fraction of that gets to the band and I wonder how much.
Yeah this was neat. I'm nowhere close to the music industry so the only comparison I have is a vacation 😆
A lot of people will buy Tickets the day of the concert I saw it when I saw Kreator and Sepultura this mouth.
@@manager4409my friend is a rapper who is semi famous signed by a major label he makes 5-8k a show depending on venue size. It would be the same for a band with the sane following but you have to split that with a few more people.
It would be helpful if you could do a similar breakdown on what the promoter costs are to rent the venues and pay the artists for a 30 day tour.
as far as i know, avenged's stage production is crazy, i assume it must take a lot of buses to carry it all all over the country
I don’t think they carry the stage set on busses.
@@Acemechanicalservices They carry them on multiple semi-trucks.. Not much cheaper
@@sylvestercalzone1003 sure, i love rammstein, and yes, their stage production is god tier. they probably spend a lot with it. i saw somewhere that their stage production cost around 6 million dollars... crazy, dont know if it counts the transportation.
I'm a entertainment truck driver. I've done smaller bands and massive bands. It is not cheap at all. If I told you the day rate for one truck you would shit yourself. Not to mention some bands have 20 trucks and usually around 5 buses depending on how many bands are on tour with them and how big the production/stage crew is.
@@knownasweed why won't you tell us the cost? The day rate? I think it's legal to do so.
Thanks so much for doing this, Tank. People have no clue regarding how expensive it is to put a band on the road! Now keep in mind that tour support has almost evaporated...the record companies weren't all bad.
@@r2hildur Neither were ANY of the costs associated with making a record. You had to pay everything back. The point is, is that money was fronted to you so you could make your album, and you could go out on tour. Been there, got the T-shirt.
It's not nearly as expensive as crooked band managers and lawyers make it. They inflate the numbers, pocket the extra money, and rip off the naive artists. Add in all the needless expenses that artists are told they "must have" and it's beyond ridiculous.
Just because artists are willing to go broke touring doesn't mean those in the support industry should have to as well.
@@DNHarris Tour support as provided by the record companies has dried up. No more money or personnel to help keep a band afloat until its latest release pays off all the recoupables.
@@aprilkurtz1589Most people falsely believe that bands are personally liable for repaying advances, at least it's all coming back out of the proceeds.
The biggest takeaway here for me as someone who works in live music for a living was his final point. Costs are higher for bands and costs are higher for fans. Meanwhile the big event companies Live Nation and AEG are profiting more than ever
This is exactly what EVERYONE should be focusing in on and attacking and breaking that monopoly down!
Clear Channel, LiveNation, Ticketmaster are parasites who screw artists AND fans
As long as people pay. And shows sell out. They are going to Charge for it!!
My one-man "tour bus" is a 2001 ford ranger with a homemade plywood camper built onto it. Barely enough room to lay down in, but it'll do the job
Hell yeah!
@TankTheTech my cross Canada busking tour in it begins at the end of May, living cheap and dirty and free lol
"Deadhead" is when you have an empty load. (i.e. no band). So, a truck pulling an empty trailer, an airliner flying with no passengers, etc.
I love these kinds of episodes. Could you do something similar, but in regards to all the costs inside the venue. Such as venue fee, stage lights and sound rental etc. That is something I have always been fascinated with.
Its really interesting to have this kind of behind the scene knowledge from you.
I'd be really interested how booking a tour even works. Like how the tour itself with their locations and dates even comes to be.. who approaches whom, who decides what festivals they are on, or what bands to include from the festivals point of view.
It obviously differs from band to band, location to location based on how big and known they are, but some talk about this would be nice.
And what's the role of a "tour promoter"?
It is REALLY interesting to hear this!
The thought that people are thinking 650 $ a day includes a bus AND driver pay is wild to me
These are the same kids who think they will be making 100k right out of college.
Thank you for the awesome insight and Knowledge of the touring logistics with the busses. I love it how you totally went down the rabbit hole so much more on this video than the last tour bus video. Keep ‘Em coming. Next video up CO-Drivers.
I love these nerdy breakdown-style videos, and you're the first person I found doing it accurately for this kind of music. THANK YOU!
Thanks for the behind the scene knowledge. 💯💯💯
Thanks for making an updated version of this. It was interesting being able to see the difference over only just a year passing. I also like that you did it live with us on twitch. I agree that it helps you out because we folks on the other side of the screen can ask questions that maybe you, an industry person, wouldn't have thought of. :D
Thank you for showing folks this breakdown. People usually have no idea what goes into a tour. Keep up the great job, we just subscribed.🎧🙏🏻
I love these videos! Thanks for breaking down the human costs behind tours
Subbed. As a touring musician myself this channel is exactly what I want to see on CZcams. Keep it up Tank🎉
Great insight. Thanks for sharing!
This video helped alot on understanding the ticket prices ill for sure keep that in mind when I see future ticket prices
Holy crap that’s so expensive!!!😵💫 This is really interesting stuff! I would love to see you interview bus drivers and other behind the scenes people in the future too.😁
Great Video, Thanks for doing these Tank! Love it and very informative and eye opening to all who are interested in the Concert touring world.
That was a nice explanation Tank. A lot of folks just got a good lesson in logistics.
Wow man Thank you for this video! Really puts things in perspective and also totally make you think how hard it is to get signed or to tour as an unsigned band which is very unfortunate and discouraging! But it is the reality in 2023! I don’t even know how bands will survive in a few years just to break even. Thanks again dude!!
LOVE seeing this business side of the music industry. I work in procurement and would like to learn more about venue booking and stuff like that.
Recently found your channel! Really enjoy your content 🔥
Really cool to see this side of the business. I live in Australia and it's so hard for smaller bands to get over here which sucks. Prices are super inflated here which makes it hard for anything. Just touring the east coast in a van / trailer takes its toll over here
It's good to look into this stuff man. I can remember for the longest time Van Halen didn't come to play the UK ostensibly because of the touring costs - looking at this I can well imagine. I consider myself very lucky to have caught them in 1993 when they did finally manage it - a legendary gig and very unexpected, but I recall costs being mentioned as the issue at the time in interviews and I can well imagine there wasn't only VH suffering under that weight. Come to think of it Journey were another BIG band I recall seeing which I didn't think I'd get to see, and that was their first visit to the UK in 22 years!
I am a stage hand working on my MBA right now. Thank you for this information. I hope to keep learning more from you
This was SO good!! I’ve always wondered about bus costs, so dope, great vid!
I love videos like this. I worked shows from 89 to mid 2000's off (and still do some here and there these days) and on and always was amazed how much, even then, a tour can cost.
Sad that EC isn't coming anywhere within 5 hours this time, they didn't re-book the Cleveland show so no getting to meet Tank this run.
I would be fascinated to see more content surrounding your touring consultancy.
Thanks for these informative videos Tank!
Thanks for the vid, interesting stuff!
This is a great breakdown. Also a good demonstration of why experienced managers are so valuable. Your experience shows. Safe travels!
Very interesting, I love little looks behind the scenes like this
Just discovered your channel...really enjoying it 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Forgive my ignorance but "12 busses and 10 trucks" sounds like an awful lot for a band of 5 unless they're doing beyond Iron Maiden level stuff on stage. Just how many people and bands and instruments are people taking with them? Do you have a video on that as well? If not could you do one. I'd particularly like to know what the difference in those numbers would be depending on how big the band is, or if that effects it at all (i.e how many sound/light/pyrotechnic guys a band of Iron Maidens size might need vs a band the size of Dragony)
idk the answer but i remember a reaction video Tank did to Sabaton a while back and he was talking about how many buses and trailers had to travel just to set up the production. I wonder if this is something similar as that.
The truck to bus ratio seems a little off. But 22 total seems about right for the amphitheater to small arena sized tour. You have riggers, roadies, sound crew, lighting crew, show electricians, video crew, tour manager, security, catering, merchandising. Plus is the band bringing any family? many older bands do.
In the trucks you have all the sound system, lighting system, distros, video walls these days, trusses, maybe staging. About 14-20 million in equipment for a mid size tour. Stadium tours still seem to average about 40 trucks.
Yeah, I kinda rounded stuff out just for the sake of doing numbers, but I have absolutely been on tours with bus to truck ratios like that. Usually that's the case when the band members are all riding on star coaches, like if they have their family out with them or something. So if it's a band of 5 members, that means only 7 of those are actually crew buses, but the numbers add up really fast.
I actually wanna go find my old Van Halen tour book from years ago and go through it and see how many people were actually on it again, because it was a ton. Maybe I could do a video on that.
As someone whos never seen the behind the scenes and only been to a few tours this is genuinely shocking to see how much goes into it. I honestly thought most stuff was provided by venue (lighting/security/catering etc) and then they'd just have their own guy come in and control it how they want. Always thought it was the band and then like a minibus worth of people with them.
Tbf you'd probably be surprised as suprised as I am finding all of this out if ya'll ever learnt just how much of Engineering can end up being broken down to "just hit it with a hammer" and "Just put more clamps on it and weld it so it'll hold"
I see Trivium for the second time in August and I'm definitely going to pay a lot more attention for stuff like this and see if I can pick up on any of it.
@tank I'd personally love that video and more stuff like this, the reactions are great and what drew me here years ago but I love learning new things in different fields so this kind of stuff is cool AF to me as well.
@@TankTheTech please do a video on that!
Thank you. Very interesting, highly illuminating.
I love hearing these stories and it also reminds me I made the right choices. I do budget tours on public transit with whatever gear I can fit in a backpack. Never “made it” but I saw the world and broke even doing it.
This is why so many musicians love talking about when you first start out driving the wagon pulling the trailer. Stressful but the expense of getting bigger accrues a boatload more cost. Why local club tours can be very profitable.
Great video, man. Very informative.
As a former member of a band I was told always to buy your own bus. This was also in 1999 though.
Having a van or minibus works when you are a local band, or even playing local states, but cross country would be so uncomfortable
As someone who tours with a guy who also owns a bus company, be prepared for repairs and maintenance costs. A new bus is just as likely to have issues as a 5-15 year old bus. Also, be prepared for all the industry shenanigans and headaches with people in the business. Managers will try and weasel out of leases, you will have the occasional diva trash a bus, you will have driver drama.
Owning/leasing a bus can be a great way to fund the band on off weeks, but it won't be easy.
If you’re going to live on the road for 5-10 years then buying a bus makes sense.
But who does that?
Storing & insurance while you’re not on the road makes it not worth it.
If you can rent it to other bands then he might make sense but upkeep & maintenance on a bus is a ton of $.
It’s way more efficient to just contract with someone like Upstaging for buses and trucks in the long run. Buy busses and you tour 2,3, or 4 months and then they sit around the rest of the year.
@@tritontransportanother issue is what happens when you leave your home country for a world tour? You have to lease on other continents.
This was such a cool video. Never thought of the little things (or big things) that add up. Im wondering if a band when signing can include the touring fees as part of said signing? Thanks for your awesome insight Tank!
Back in the day, yeah, labels would do tour advances and bonuses and stuff like that. But those days are long gone for the most part.
Also keep in mind that "signings" are often advances, so debt to the label for the band.
This was a very thorough and interesting video.
Hey Tank, man just a heads up. I have been hearing rumors from my many friends in the music industry that it has now gotten to the literal point that cost and wages for everything now makes being in a touring band completely obsolete when it comes to the financial side of it. They're ALL saying many tours are about to be canceled in the near future due to this issue/problem itself. - fyi It will be the very first time we will see something like this in our lifetimes.
Sad, but necessary. At some point the bubble bursts.
The market still exists. Tours will still happen, we just need to figure out how.
This isnt true at all. Holy fuck who are you even talking to?
did your *many* friends in the music industry forget to tell you the sheer amount of money you make from doing a tour if you have legit people? or the fact that people get older and pay for comfort and accommodation which is such a overlooked financial aspect? or maybe even the fact that that people build promoter relationships and get connections and might not need to drop millions in response? no hate man but this is just simply ridiculous lmao. very one sided view from someone with *oh so many* friends in the industry.
@@rev0102 lol. You don't know what you're talking about. That's obvious.
Wow ! Now I understand why tickets are expensive . It’s great to see the breakdown on all the expenses. There is so much behind the scenes that fans aren’t aware of and complain about ticket prices . Especially nowadays when touring is so important to an artist since records don’t sell like back in the day . Those buses are as expensive as a luxury home . And the driver I would think has to have a commercial drivers license with a passengers endorsement so expensive as well . Supply and demand . I toured in a band back in the 90s and we drove a station wagon . Sleeping in the station wagon . It was quite an experience. Fun times ! Those bandwagons look cool. Diesel prices are through the roof too . Cool Video ! Eye opening for fans !
My father was a producer for a totally different genre, but these issues have been universal across all genres of popular music for the last 25-30 years. As labels lost the financial clout with internet streaming distribution and the death of physical media, the artist has taken on a majority of the financial burden for touring costs... Most artists don't become financially sound until a major follow up or third album anymore, and even at that, they aren't as financially well off as they were in the past... They're just out of debt at that point. No one with one hit single is set for life anymore, no one who has a record deal is living solely off the wealth of that deal anymore. The artist has to be a business major in college just to have a fighting chance anymore... The industry has REALLY suffered in that way.
Ugh. I remember reading years ago how some songwriter of a hit single from years before that was still getting royalty checks for that around 50-75K a year. For some reason, I think it had to do with one of Deep Purple's hits. An oldster, I had a fantasy of being a one-hit wonder and getting that sweet check every year. What an astoundingly difficult business. I also remember reading long ago how Mick Jagger was respected for his business acumen.
i hope to use what i will learn in college (business) to apply that to the music industry. it’s really interesting looking at these quotes!
Tell Ryan Upchurch he needs the degree and all this other bs
Yeah, but on the plus side, there’s less middlemen involved in taking money out of the artists, and there are less gatekeepers of the industry. You can also be exposed to much more artists and buy directly from them online. Because now it’s not up to a record label, whether they think you are worthy enough to sign you, let alone put their marketing budget behind you, while taking a massive cut of absolutely everything you do.
@@conors4430 I don't dispute anything you said, but when no one but Taylor Swift is getting that market push, you have one bubble gum teeny bopper making ALL the real money in music and everyone else is fighting for scraps... Unintended consequences... lol
buying your own buses and renting them out when not using them just turns you into a small bus company that can't really compete with the bigger ones because you still have all the regulations and costs to deal with that they do. you are also now running a bus company, which is not what most people in bands want to do with their time.
I believe that's what Taylor Swifts dad did when he realized it was expensive way back in the day. the fact that these big bands are not owning, renting/sharing buses is beyond me.
Taylor Swift's current tour is no busses. The entire band/crew and everyone involved are flying to every gig because it was cheaper than renting the busses needed.
@@TankTheTech That's not what I said. I said her dad notice years ago buses were hard to get and expensive to rent for tour, so he bought a bunch of them and rented them out as far as I remember. Made a business out of it.
Might be cheaper to buy a bus lol though when I say that I mean as normal regular bus perhaps fitted with some basic amenities, rather than a bespoke tour bus
Yep, I think this video put the nail in my touring dream. Thank you and good night.
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In my work I deal with transport companies so that we can transport industrial equipment to our customers, and I can say that today's prices with prices before the pandemic are quite high, about 35% to 40% more expensive than 2019 and I am being very conservative, there are reports of companies charging 50% to 60% more . I believe in the 2 million more referred by Matt Shadow.
I love how deep we've fallen into a dystopia right now, everything everywhere is so damn expensive. I wonder how long before it snaps and nobody can afford anything at all.
i ask my self the same thing
People will still vote for more of the same even as they look at their starving children.
"You will own nothing and be happy"
@@Prosecute-fauci Repubs still vote against their own interests. Agree with you
Nah, we'll be just fine
I would love to see you do a comparison between bus tours and flying/hotel stays.
You're going on tour with Electric Callboy? that might explain why I spotted a crewmember in a TankTheTech shirt at one of their shows a few months back.
Great, eye opening video. Support your favorite bands by buying merch at the shows too.
I love that you are informing people about fees most people don’t ever think about past the cost of a ticket for the show they want to see.
I cannot recall the year. TWA and I go way back, along with IWABO. They shared a bus on Warped Tour one year and a few of them broke down prices to me of what each band has to pay daily for the bus, the driver fees, and gas. Just their daily fees were insane back then in my eyes.
I would hate to see smaller bands trying to make it day to day on a tour with this economy.
This was a great breakdown. Glad we were able to recently purchase 2 buses. Who knows what’s going to happen down the line.
brand new or used?
This was a fascinating video; I had no idea just how much went into touring. It's making my head spin just thinking about what Sabaton has to go through with their pyro, elaborate stage set, and the 100+ member tour crews. Also, for bands like them or Rammstein, how is pyro figured into costs and transport? Sorry, I'm just clueless and curious. Do you think that a lot of arena acts with big productions might scale back on effects to save if costs keep getting crazy?
Pyro is a cost just like anything else, and they do need to go through some additional steps for transport and storage.
Not sure if you have done a video like this before but would love a breakdown of what they may be making? tour bus costs, road crew for a certain band size, one month tour how many shows in a month, venue size ticket price so we can estimate gross sales assuming sold out and then back out costs and see what band ends up with.
I'm a Retired Senators Coach Driver.I Drove for AX7 Their first Bus Tour. I think it was early 2000's . Chris Roberts was the Production Mgr. ( Chris was one of the Best to work for!!!) Cat Mihos was assent. They were just kids then. they called me GranPaw. Me and another driver drove for them about their first 3 years. AS they GREW! Preacher was with us then! I went to work for senators When Leon Frazier was Killed in 1997. Senators was located in Corinth , Ms. I think we had about 20 Busses. I think our day rate was $75 a day. So much has changed. Those were GOOD KIDS They treated me Great!!
i feel like this is a combination of event planning and budgeting 101 and
i love it! idk why, i have no need to rent buses...obvs lol
Just another reason why I keep telling myself/everyone: SEE THE BANDS YOU WANT TO SEE. You never know whats going to happen to make it so you cant see them for whatever reason. And this is def a big reason why we may not see them.
If I’m not mistaken the “generator” is what’s called an APU or auxiliary power unit. Often a small diesel engine powering a gen set and hvac for the bus while it’s parked allows for hot water heat/air electric. It sips fuel from the main tanks.
Loved this video--super informative and just, really well presented. I'm curious how the heck smaller bands like The Lonely Ones or Royal Bliss, who tour a ton but don't play big venues very often, manage to make money. I know both bands have been around for decades, so they obviously got it down. It just blows my mind how expensive it is to even play a venue that holds less than 500 people. I feel like fans can only buy so much merch...
There are some friends of mine doing a short tour of the uk soon they will be touring fast and light really paking the gigs in but it's still going to cost for large splitter van and driver,fuel cheap hotels/ air b&b food etc which is going to be their main costs I will be amazed if they even break even
Spent the last 5 years A level. It’s not enough anymore unless I can keep things dipped in other areas. Appreciate you bringing reality to the public eye.
Also, post pandemic Bandwagon narrowed the margin with most coach companies which creates very little headroom for B and C level acts. The last run I was on was two and a half weeks and driver/ Fuel cost not included almost $35,000…
Now these cost increases are across the board. I have a small custom cabinet millwork shop . The last 2.5 years we’ve seen crazy pricing increases on everything we buy from materials to electricity, as well as raising my guys pay too .
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Yup. Same reason why merch prices at shows are also going up. The cost of a blank for merch printing is going way up too.
Great vid Tank! I would love you to try and break down how much you think it costs to take Rammstein's or Metallica's current show on the road.
Shads was talking about total for the tour, supporting acts included. It's more than 12 busses. Not much more, but in total for all 3 of the bands on that tour it's like 14-20ish. Mainly for crew/techs. Leased I think from the start of July to the 2ed week of August and the first week of September to the last week of October for last return. You do have to remember though that the last time they toured was for The Stage album many years ago, at least like 5+ years ago. So, when you also take that into account you can see a bit more on why it's more now for them now since last time they toured. All things considered. Avenged flew a bit if not a lot on the tour and were in hotels mainly, didn't really mess with the busses. Would have cost more lol. Plus, they had the family out quite a bit during the legs. Great video brotha! Stay Heavy!
That was a cool breakdown of the cost for 1 month tour estimate. It got me thinking about the potential costs for international tours too. No wonder why Slipknot is going independent after "the end so far" album. The cost is staggering and just so expensive. Respect for all bands that make this shit work ❤.
Hey Tank, been sub for awhile love all your content. I have a cdl, and have drove over the road for two years. How does a guy get into entertainment driving I think you called it.. specifically Tour buses. Thanks!
When they were here in Saskatoon with AOF and Kim Dracula, there were 9 tour buses parked at the arena
Thanks, very informative video, had an idea but not these details. I have seen extreme metal bands driving their own minivan and sleeping inside or at the venues. it’s understandable and reasonable to do that if not a huge band at all.
Very enlightening and kind of depressing, especially for up and coming bands that need to tour. And don’t even get me started on Live Nation and Ticketmaster, and the resellers they service.
You should do quote on the semi trucks I’d be curious what it costs now since I left industry of entertainment trucking
I remember the good old days, when a bus rental in Germany had 1000€ daily flat charge + driver salary... Even though, I never got to use one...
Absolutely legit, and that’s a reasonable breakdown minus gas! Decent breakdown man.
I am wondering if the three bus companies are watching your show and know from the type and color of the bidding document who is their two competitors. I am sure all the companies know each other. Very interesting breakdown.
Not gonna lie? I kinda thought about the same thing. But this isn't really confidential information. While I keep the names and logos off of these quotes, literally anyone could reach out to any company and get the same information I did as a Tour Manager.
back in the day I was on warped tour ,we had a bus and so many bands id talk to were rolling in hired RV's and self driving as that was back then in 2005 the only way to have a balance of comfort and travel easily, out had some better sleep setups than the 'Band in a van" method,
When I was in a band around the same time, we were in a Chevy Astro van and had a used trailer. Hahaha. And we also did Warped Tour. Roughing it out as much as possible just to save money.
@@TankTheTech and I bet you had a better time than thewhinging band that had the big tour bus I was with . I looked at some of the smaller acts pushing their gear to stage I’d jump in and help them and I knew they had a better vibe than the spoilt band I left sitting on my bus complaining about too many shows on this run or the audience sizes haha.
Nice update on the tour busses.
But what about the small bands and how they tour?
Crypta from Brazil just finished a tour in the states a couple months ago. They rented a RV as a tour bus and it got destroyed Illinois by a tornado. Their fans chipped in to help them with their cost. So what's your thoughts on a situation like this?
I mean, it all depends on what your budget is. An RV is absolutely a cheaper alternative than a bud or bandwagon, but has different issues and logistics to it as well. That whole situation was super unfortunate for them due to insurance stuff.
@@TankTheTech did they not have enough or any coverage? One thing I've learned in my 45 years is Insure the hell out of everything and memorize your policy. Know your coverage. My 2017 Kia Sorento has been paid off for 4 years but I still maintain full coverage and an extended warranty from the dealer. A genuinely GOOD Extended Warranty. Some of them are horseshit. But I want full assurance that if I have so much as a wayward fart or put it up a telephone pole I'm completely covered.
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To be honest, I have no idea. Any time I, or anyone I tour with rent anything, I always recommend taking out the biggest insurance policy you can, or the built in one from the company. For example, if you're renting from a car rental place, I always do the extra coverage just in case. They may NOT have done that, but from I read it also had to do with the fact that whoever rented (the person who actually signed and paid for it) may not have been American and the insurance wouldn't cover it. If I'm being 100% honest, the whole story seemed a little odd on how it was being reported on from news outlets, so I have no idea.
I remember back in 2013 I had seen Asking Alexandria at a festival and their tour bus was personalized, it had their logo on it and promotion for their upcoming album at the time From Death To Destiny, I can only assume that this would also eat a lot of money just do something like that as well, unless they brought it themselves at the time, but even that I assume would be quite a chunk of cash from them as a band.
A lot of times companies get involved and pay for most of if not all of those costs. Monster was notorious for paying for bud wraps for bands as long as they got to put their logo all over it too.
Used to be neighbors with the bass player in Huntington Beach. Could always tell when they were going on tour as the tour bus would be parked in front of his house for several days before the tours start.
Cool video and humor from the 90s, a Norwegian metal band was on a Europa tour and one night during crossing into Germany they was stopped and a female uniformed looked into the bus with sleeping musicians and a dog on leash, she goes out and sends the buss on its way with the epic words im not offering a dog for this...
do it like The Ramones, totally in a van , year after year. ( their riad crew did have a bus) some of their tricks for saving money were really smart
Dude, thanx!
Great video, really in depth and well executed. My predictions are as follows; tours will end in the traditional sense, but bands will still play, just much fewer shows and fly to them. Eventually when VR gets good, live shows will be replaced with VR live concert streams. Live concerts in the future will be what live theatre is to movies.
Fantastic info. I love this stuff. It almost seems like taking a charter plane would be cheaper. Iron Maiden has their own 747 that Bruce flies, don't they? 🤷🏻♀️
I doubt they have a 747. Those things are probably around $400 million
Hey man, I appreciate you and the content you talk about on this show. For what it's worth, I'm a salty dog from the road myself but quit a few years before you got in the biz. I was a tour keyboardist for a few major acts during that time and did many American tours as well as Europe and Oz. It's refreshing to hear you talk turkey on the ins and outs of the road. The more detail, the better as far as I'm concerned. It keeps me up to date on what's up right now and frankly, makes me feel YOUNG AGAIN hearing you talk. Keep up the good work. Keep us informed and tell us the damn truth, son. Later!!
Thanks a lot, man!
Im personally going to be on a tour starting later this year that is 38 trucks and 25 buses currently.
It's going to be a circus at every venue for parking. We (the truck drivers) are NOT looking forward to it.
Hot DAMN! Be safe out there and hopefully you don't go too crazy.
@@TankTheTech yeah, and it's notably NOT a stadium tour.
@@incarsus wow really? How much those ticket prices?
Lemme guess....TSO?
I just looked at their website, A7X's tour starts May 26 and goes through October 15 with a few breaks. So it's hard to know the exact number of days of actual bussing. Plus, it's A7X. They're huge. Huge production. It wouldn't surprise me if they had one 18-wheeler just for guitars. So right there, a period of four months with maybe only three months of actual buses, and yeah... I believe him.
I did a month tour with Vader and Vital Remains in US. Drove ourselves. It costed $5,000 just to get on the tour
I would like to see the other side of this like how much the band makes from each show/end of tour to see how they fared.
Just did an arena tour routed for busses as an opener in a sprinter and saved a small fortune.
Robert brothers and All Access coach buy most of their T.V.s and theater equipment from the company i work for. When they comr in they drop MONEY each time for Each bus sometimes 15k just for entertainment in the bus so ive always wondered how much they charged tour companys. Thanks for the great vid now i know 😂
Will you be Vlogging during the Electric Callboy Tour? Or does the job not allow to get some footage? Would be awesome to get a peak behind the curtain of a tour.
They'd allow me to, but to be honest there's so much work into it that I probably won't be able to film much.
Some solo acts are traveling acoustic to cut costs. They can then play smaller venues with slightly higher costs.
I've been working in security for over 25 years, and mainly at festivals, small concerts to stadium concerts... And my area for which I'm only booked is the artist & crew - tour management - backstage and to make sure who is allowed to stay there and must .... Because of that, I also know a lot of things and sometimes numbers and numbers that are crazy! And this is "only" once the costs to be paid for the transport of the band, then there are also the crew, i.e. the sound & light technician, tour management, and the larger the act, more staff, material... .There is a "luxury" Nightliner for 4 people, i.e. the star with his wife or girlfriend, possibly a baby and the nanny and then the bus is basically fully booked as far as sleeping places are concerned! And that goes up to 18 sleeping places "coffins" I call them, which are then mainly there for their staff - crew! Even a smaller band without a world class level can quickly have half a million dollars/euro on the bill for a 2-3 month tour! And we haven't yet calculated the costs of all the equipment, material transport and possibly trucks! The band and all the crew also have to and want to eat and drink...is there a payment for food or do you pay for catering? All the costs for various rentals such as the location of the hall/stadium.... It can quickly amount to millions or even billions for the really big bands in the world! As an example of what is absolutely amazing and I had worked there myself and was able and allowed to see a lot. 2009 to 2011 the 360° world tour of U2 with this "Kraken 360°" stage thing! A lot of material and also staff - band members... There were around 50 Nightliners and smaller buses and then all the trucks.... There were a whopping 150-170 Trucks & Nightliners there for a stadium concert! But the best, practically everything 3x!!! Because tonight concert in NY, next days in Miami and again one day later in Dallas! So they have to set up stages, travel, dismantle, give concerts etc. in parallel and with one stage and material you have no chance of achieving cost efficiency! So in 2009-2011 U2 basically rented the entire Nightliner and Truck fleet worldwide!!! So 450-500 Nightliners & Trucks in Europe, USA, Asia etc! Plus a jet for the band of course, but above all a transport plane that depending on the distance and time, just the one LED element/screen that they could drive up and down over the band in the Kraken, that alone had cost millions and was at this one Time the best there was on the market! So they only had this one copy of it, which had to be dismantled immediately after the concert by a special crew, securely packed and loaded into a shipping container, immediately off with the truck as the first to the next country overnight if logistically time and distance allowed, and otherwise truck to the local airport where the transport machine was ready, loaded and fly off at the very last minute before the night flight ban began in each case!!! Mega much detailed elaboration of times data and logistics! That's hundreds of millions in cost for everything! Then there are the band's fees and of course Live Nation & Co want or wanted to make a few million - billions of profits!!!
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So for A7X’s up coming tour they are crossing the Canda US border four times. Then between the first leg to the second leg (a little over a month in between) they are going from Vancouver to Fort Lauderdale and they also have a lot of long hauls between dates towards the end of the second leg. So overdrives and co drivers will be a must. And I'm curious how do boarder crossings work. Do they have to go with a company in Canada? And if not to companies charge extra for boarder crossings and stuff like that?
I worked with a band once that, had their own buses in the past. By the time I worked with them, they had gotten rid of the bus in favor of an RV. A $500,000 RV. We would play venues where the venue would accommodate 2 motel rooms. We had a fairly sizable band and crew/family of the members. So several of them members would sleep in the RV and the rest would take the 2 hotel rooms.
The industry has to change completely in order to survive, it's not good and it's not bad, it's just time for a change, the old model of the music business is dead, just as recording studios have evolved and become accessible to everyone, we are witnessing a new era of development of the entire music industry