Explaining Mio's Rebirth and Z's Connection to Ontos - Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Future Redeemed Lore
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- čas přidán 6. 05. 2023
- This analysis will be a bit of a deep dive, trying to uncover the reason for Noah's and Mio's rebirth. Explaining the connection between Ontos, Moebius, and Ouroboros. Trying to make sense of how it all connects to Alpha, Z, and the Trinity Processor. And while we are at it, we might as well try to answer how Pneuma, Logos, Malos, Pyra, and Mythra all tie into it, and just who the mysterious hooded child in the Eclipse Homecoming might have been.
- Hry
"Nothing mattered in Aionios".
I like the fact that the reason the two worlds were able to unify in the end was just because of what happened within Aionios, and only for this reason is humanity's will/consciousness now ready to evolve and walk towards the future. Aionios is like a big psychological introspection by humanity that lasted thousands of years.
I like to think it's analogous to what happened in Xenosaga with the Eternal Recurrence. It's also a cycle that has lasted an unknown amount of time, but in Eternal Recurrence every cycle is different because the consciousness of U-DO evolves. In Xenosaga 3 it evolved enough for humanity to stop the cycle of Eternal Recurrence. In Xenoblade 3 at the end, the consciousness of humanity evolved enough to stop the cycle of the Endless Now.
I don't think that's right. On the contrary, everything mattered in Aionios. All the introspection led to a choice.
@Nico Dalusong I am sorry if I was a little confusing, but with "Nothing mattered in Aionios" I meant to ironically quote those who says that the events in Xeno 3 are not relevant because the world rebooted. So we agree on this one !
@@thefloppybigo1755 Ah, okay. Thanks for clarifying.
It almost like a punishment in someway until humanity themselves can choose that they want better.
At the start of base 3 Mio doesn't care about surviving or living longer, but that changes over time.
Noah on the other hand starts off obsessed with holding onto other peoples legacy and changes in the opposite direction.
Pretty neat how they both start out on opposite ends of the spectrum and both end up in the middle by the end.
Yeah but I think mios change of how she saw things originally changed when she met Noah and fell in love with him than she realized she had something to live for after all instead of not careing about living that's what I think is so cool of how Noah and mio were brought together not only sharing the same destiny but love being most important 😊
Yeah, that's incredibly cool and a great lore detail! BTW, you should pin this comment, unless you were planning to pin another instead.
Can’t wait for the term ‘Trinity Processor’ to be dropped 80 hours into Xenoblade 4
Now that you mention it
Malos captured Pyra in order to regain the data he's lost during his fight with Mythra on Torna
It's not far fetched to wonder that they used mythras' core data in order to rebuild Malos' to an extent, losing the purple glow in the process
Waaaaiiiiit, that actually makes a ton of sense! I think you're correct!
Xenoblade 3 isn't just good, it's beyond good and evil!
It is after despair and hope
Jensuits von gut und böse
I wouldn't describe it as moving beyond good and evil, but accepting their humanity as being human means having both. I would describe it like this because saying moving beyond good and evil could be misinterpretated as then being something closer to gods or stuff like that.
meant that they are "godlike" in how they aren't controlled by their desire/lust for either side.
@@miiks...5...3...9... Fair
Yeah, its more like "between" good and evil rather then beyond (hence why M and N, middle of the alphabet, inbetween the two extremes A and Z), as the protagonists still hold strong to a moral compass and fight against moebius under ouroboros' powers till the very end.
However, as Miiks pointed out in the comment above me, they also realize that ouroboros' isn't the be all and end all when it comes to morality, and that moebius aren't trully evil at all. They comit "sins", yeah, but that's only because the world they live in doesn't give them any other choice. That's why Noah doesn't blame N for choosing to side with Moebius in the end, as he realizes that morality is more complicated then just "x is good and y is evil", and "the will to protect and the will to endure are both forms a wish may take".
FR says that for someone to be trully good they need to be aware of their bad side as well, instead of running away from their shadow and their conscience and acting like a self-righteous ass (hence why Ontos consults both Pneuma (good persona of the trinity Processor) and Logos (evil persona) in order to make right decisions).
Another interesting thing I noticed is how there's a lot of gnostic symbolism when it comes to Alpha (wanting to leave the old "evil" world behind in order to move on to the beyond (monad)) and Nietzschean symbolism when it comes to Z and Moebius (Endless Now and Eternal Recurrence, Z being based off of Wilhelm from Xenosaga who is literally just a twinkified Nietzsche etc.).
@@joggers_hthank you for this last reply, it's incredibly informative and explains things well!
I just realized, considering the way Origin was supposed to function was through light, the motes of light in Aionios could be tied to Origin, consequently the soldiers turn into blue lights as part of the cycle because they are reborn through Origin, perhaps they don't go directly to Origin but directly to the palaces. Meanwhile the golden motes of light the city-people and freed soldiers turn into might be designated as either "lost" light that isn't saved by Origin, or it DOES get saved by Origin, but it gets saved in the sections that aren't designated for rebirth, like all the other people from the original seperate worlds over 20 are implied to be, which would also explain why Z had the ability to bring back N and M despite both of them being freed, they still returned to Origin and were thus accessible to Z... now that I think about it, a good few of the Moebius could've been, aside from soldiers or traitors to the City, adults from the old world that Z felt had the most potential as Avatars of his, actually most of the older looking Moebius probably were...
We know that at least some moebius know about the old worlds. I don't think Triton's knowledge of pirates and sea-farers could of come from Aionios, and Moebius U definity knows things from outside of Aionios. The concept of burials is foreign to Aionios, but U knew about them and told Tau to do them.
And i realized that since M and N are in the middle of the avatars between A and Z when they mix it creates Ouroboros' true form being the power to choose whatever they want whether its the future Noah and Mio or the Now "M"and "N" and Melia & Nia both made the ouroboros stone and the sword of the end making Ouroboros possible once again meeting at the middle
11:10 in other languages Rex uses female pronouns to refer to "those two", so I think is safe to assume that he was, in fact, talking about Pyra and Mythra instead of Pneuma and Malos.
Edit: A few moments later he mentions *them* again and, guess what, it's also translated with female pronouns (I played the game in spanish, that's why I know). I'm now 100% certain that he was talking about Pyra and Mythra.
What I'm trying to say is that, it must be intentional that he mentioned both of them (again, Pyra and Mythra, not Pneuma and Malos) right before it's revealed that Matthew's gauntlet was powered by one of their cores, to indicate that both of them were there the whole time.
Mmmh, I'm not sure how much we can trust those translations (really, we can't trust any translation after XB1 imho).
If we're taking them for good though, I'd like to point something out: as you mentioned, "those two" are referred as females in this specific scene (which makes sense, since Rex would want Pneuma at his side during a fight). However, when A later laments that Rex and Shulk giving Glimmer and Nikol normal lifespans is against the rules, someone says that "those two would have helped", while looking at N's sword and Matthew's fists. In this instance, "those two" is male gendered, which in my language (spaghetti) is used to refer to any group containing at least one male.
So, to make it short, one might argue that, yes, Rex was wishing for Pneuma's help, but in the finale he acknowledges both Pneuma and Logos' presence.
@@ZoharEmulator I just went to check that when he says "those two would have helped", it's also female gendered in spanish, he says "si ELLAS estuvieran aquí, habrían ayudado sin dudarlo un instante" (ellas being the female form of "them" in spanish). Gender for words is very important in spanish so I'm pretty certain that it was intentional (especially considering it happened twice) and not just a mistranslation.
@@bgc1081 To me this just suggests that there was no coordination/indication on Monolith/Nintendo JP's part and so every translation team just went with what they thought was most likely.
Or maybe italians are just fucking stupid (they are).
@@bgc1081I wish there was a way to know if they translated the Spanish directly from japanese or from the english script. That would help settle this issue.
5:45 This part rubs me the wrong way a little, in hindsight. It feels like Meyneth erasure, like they just forgot about her and only Zanza mattered. What about her kindness, her wishes for the prosperous future of her creations, which should embody the will of Ouroboros and act as a counterweight for Zanza's fear of his creations abandoning him (like Moebius do)? It would also serve as a very fitting parallel to Pneuma (embodying Anima, the female aspect) and Logos (embodying Animus, the male aspect), which also serve similar roles in XC2 (even though Malos isn't really a Moebius, he's more about destryoing the unjust world that doomed him, but Jin's inability to let go of Lora's "cursed" final words serves as a fitting analogue to N and Malos "exists for his benefit" for the better part of the main story, so it sort of still works).
Additionally, one piece of unexplored potential from the main game, in my opinion, is that the final "big upgrade" (the chapter 6 one), instead of the Sword of Origin, should have been a perfect interlink, one where neither member is solely in control but both are, at the same time, similarly to how Pneuma describes herself to Rex (in the infamous "coffee with milk" scene). This would fit thematically like a glove into what Miiks described in this video and would also serve as a plausible lore explanation for FR's ending; by having data from this new kind of interlink relayed back to Origin, it would provide Origin with the necessary trigger to be able to "learn" how to properly merge the two worlds without mutual annihilation. It would also work similarly to how Blades in XC2 are described to evolve, by constantly accruing data, which would make sense, since Origin uses core crystal technology to store its data (be it Ontos' core or the blue cubes you see when descending towards the theater).
@@WhyFi59 I also thought Mio and Noah were going to have a perfect interlink even if in gameplay it was just their talent art when they were interlinked normally. I also thought that O and P's "perfect interlink" was some foreshadowing to that
@@Samusear Except O & P was just a mockery of perfection (fitting for who they were). They didn't even merge their consciousnesses, because of course, Moebius hate each other almost as much as they hate the Ouroboros, so a true partnership is impossible between them. O & P remained separate, though nominally united, while D & J represents D's toxic domination over the meek J who doesn't belong in Moebius but tries to fit in with the wrong crowd due to his belief that that's the only way for him to get what he deserves.
If we were ever to see a Moebius interlink reach close to perfection, it'd have to be between N and M, though that never happens for obvious reasons.
Meyneth died probably because Shulk and the party were unknowingly carrying out Zanza's will for most of the game, making the Animus stronger than the Anima until meyneth passes on her will to the party.
Shulk is Zanza's vessel. He was created specifically for Zanza. So, when Zanza's vessel (Logos) carries the will of meyneth (Pneuma) it's saying to Alvis (Ontos) that the 'replacement's of Logos and Pneuma agree, therefore granting shulk his own monado, stopping Zanza, and creating a new world.
My understanding and Appreciation of Xenoblade 3 has been bolstered by your random posts and few videos so hard I can't begin to imagine how I'd feel about the story without it. I can only imagine your college English essays
9:00. Both Noah and Mio have same descendants. They're both parents to Ghondor. There were no different descendants for Mio and Noah separatedly. They always meet, always falling in love, always dying trying stop Z. Until one of the cycles.
N killed Gondhor and tried to kill Na'el,
Na'el tried to kill Moebius
yes they are all related, I fail to see the problem.
Because I called them N's descendants once and Mio's the second time? Just to highlight the dichotomy between N and Na'el
@@miiks...5...3...9... In your interpretation it looks like Mio and Noah were not a couple, but had someone else to make their own descendants.
@@justmkipvme that isn't what he meant
N having Mythra's core instead of Logs' even makes more sense from a gameplay-perspective
When they merge at Origin, Noah unlocks the last Lucky7 art. His sword (Pneuma) is now complete and can unleash its full power (destroying Z's atrium)
Makes more sense with Rex' comments too. Yeah sure the guy (Malos) who tried to kill you would be a big help im sure.
In Xeno 1 and 2 we got loredumps on how things worked but with 3 we needed a DLC (that sparked even more questions lol) to clarify things and we still have to seek the answers ourselfes
I much prefer the 1h cutscenes lmao
Fact that Zanza's theme plays in Alcamoth during FC lends to the idea he was connected to Alpha, plays the singing hymns until just before the wicked piano comes in.
It took me way too long to finish this video, but great job as usual, I love watching these!
Well done. One of the best explanations Ive seen of X3.
I think I agree with the interpretation of Pyra or Mythra’s core having replaced Logos (Glimmer looking like Pneuma leads to believe Mythra would be the one to replace Logos).
Especially considering what Z says in regards to N’s sword, how “Origin brims with the very will of those who are as unto gods”. We know with almost certainty that Pyra and Mythra must have been assimilated into Origin like pretty much everyone else, so they would be the specific wills from Origin that Z mentions, somehow having had some form of influence from Origin through their core crystals that stayed behind.
I dont think Z is meant to be a part of Alpha/Ontos, but is similar in that they both reflect a desire for differing parts of humanity. I believe Z is embued by the will of Logos, which more thematically aligns with Malos/Logos's flawed understanding of himself and other people. Malos lacking the will to change and move on, in the same way Amalthus couldn't in shaping his will himself. I think that reflection of Amalthus's lack of will for change influenced Logos's Avatar and imprinted that will into his core. This would carry on Amalthus's thinking which also reflects Earth's humanity onto Moebius.
true Z is reacting to what "logos" (in whatever form he still exists) wants, but Ontos was also just reacting to the opinions of logos and pneuma for decision making. So Z could be Ontos acting on what "Logos" wants, which seemingly depends on what Noah/N wants.
@Miiks Ah I see, that makes sense. I think Logos's core still exists in some sense, plus we know Logos as Malos is still alive somewhere as we hear him speak with Pneuma at the end of 2. Unless that's AI Logos, and not actually Malos.
@@miiks...5...3...9... all hypothetical, none in the game
Damn never thought X ost would fit perfectly with 3’s scene
Great video, thank you! It helped me to better understand the game as a whole!
I’m gonna post this comment not expecting a response, but i just want to lone up what i understood you’re trying to propose from this video.
1. Both Alpha and Z are Ontos, A is another aspect of Ontos born from the Core’s memories and recollections of Xenoblade 1, making them Moebius since they’re technically a collection of memories from Ontos’s past.
2. Blue Motes are signals of Moebius/Noah (the latter being tied in due to his basically complete alignment, even if in a more benevolent light, to the concepts of holding onto the past and present), which is why people who die and give off blue motes return to the cycle, people who reach their homecoming/have no pre-existing data in Origin (City-Folk basically) instead give off Golden Motes which signify Ouroboros/Mio (the latter beginning as an extreme interpretation of Ouroboros like Noah does a “benevolent” interpretation for Moebius) and thus they transcend the Cycle of Moebius (Z’s half of Ontos) and move into the Future of Ouroboros (Alpha’s half of Ontos)
3. The message of the main game (reinforced heavily by the DLC if we read Z and Alpha as two extremes of Ontos, one taking “suggestions” from Pneuma, Ouroboros, and the other from Logos, Moebius) is that virtue is in the middle, and this is why Noah and Mio, representatives of these two extremes, search for balance between the two ideals (The future is meaningless without the past, you cannot live a moment forever and you must move on at some point) and defeating Alpha and Z and returning Ontos/Origin to a “neutral” state is basically debating the two extreme ends of Ontos, reintroducing input from BOTH Pneuma and Logos at the same time if you will.
4. Noah and Mio (and their respective weapons/the weapons of their descendants) are both in some form avatars of Z and Alpha, yet to live life to the fullest they must abandon the extremism they began the game in, best represented by how differently Noah (who’s made his peace with the past and strives to the future) and N (who wallows in despair and self loathing due to the past but can’t move on from it) wield Lucky Seven, N wielding it to protect his Moebius ideals while Noah wields it it to DISTANCE himself from them which allows him to use it to the fullest, a weapon of Moebius defeating Moebius if you want to see it like that. Meanwhile, the “Fists of the End”, passed down through (M)io’s family line, are clearly a weapon that is meant to be used to move on (granting the power of Ouroboros and freeing people from the Cycle of Moebius), a weapon of Ouroboros, yet it is ultimately these Fists that, balanced with the Sword of the End, a weapon of Moebius, bring about balance and as such the true potential of Moebius and Ouroboros and ultimately lead to Alpha (the embodiment of an extremist chase to reach the future) being defeated.
If i misread anything which you were trying to present i’d be glad to be corrected, but i hope my understanding of your content is at least decent!
Yes, pretty much exactly what I meant. But of course that's just my personal interpretation, so it's just one potential perspective
Alpha at the very start was Alvis, he had A and his Alpha side with him, and yet, Z still existed. Alvis wouldn't take side before a conclusion is drawn, that's how he was in 1, and he had to change to make sense of 3.
Great anaylsis as always! I hope you talk more about the fog beast in this game. I know their origin stems from one of the past Xeno games (saga I think) but I'm still not super sure what their role is supposed to imply in both FC and FR.
Black fog wants to stay in the physical "now", orange fogbeasts are from beyond the physical.
That's my guess at least. Alpha using the fog to kill the "old" life
I’ll be honest I watch your videos a lot and I understand the game better because of them thankfully. However this video actually got me confused. But I like a lot of what’s said I just can’t put two and two together cause I might just be dense lol. Maybe someone can make a chart from beginning to end that could help break down the whole who is moebius and z and alpha things cause I get some connection between the trinity processor but at the same time as to whom represents whom got lost on me and or thematically. I really wish this would make more sense to me.
In the Trinity Processor Ontos was controlled by the opinions of Logos and Pneuma.
Within Origin the opinions of the souls stored inside Origin replace Logos and Pneuma, and the people lean either towards moebius (the soldiers) or ouroboros (the city).
Z is the form Ontos takes when Moebius is the majority. (Main game)
Alpha is the form Ontos takes when Ouroboros is the majority. (Future Redeemed)
At least that seems to be heavily implied.
@@miiks...5...3...9... Just a "reminder" that Z and Alpha do coexist, but one is dominant over the other. Maybe when Z called Alpha "my god" he was speaking to Ontos directly, because Z acknowledged that Alpha was the one in charge.
This makes too much sense!! I love your videos, and thanks for explaining this lore!! I can't believe Xenoblade could get THIS much more peak fiction, but here we are. And i'm still trying to wrap my head around things, and i have some questions such as the following: How is Z a part of Ontos? Are you simply guessing Z was manifested by Ontos because he's essentially the opposite of (A too?)lpha, or what? I reaaaaallly wanna know! Anyways, i want to thank you again for sharing and explaining of this lore, i couldn't appreciate it more!!
It's just speculation though, feel free to disregard it
@@miiks...5...3...9... Nah, almost everything you mentioned seemed correct and made sense. Although, i was still a bit confused and was left with some questions, such as the one i asked in my OG comment, which i just got done editing. Could you try and answer it for me? Thank you ahead of time!!
@@lemmyxpro my guess would be that Ontos reacts to the input of Logos and Pneuma, who are currently in the weapons of Matthew (Ouroboros) and N (Moebius).
So my guess would be that based that Ontos reacting on the input of those two manifests as Alpha (Ouroboros) and Z (Moebius).
Or at least since Z is using Ontos as an energy source later, his power woulf follow the same rules as Ontos did, who was based on the input on Logos and Pneuma to control his abilities.
So either literally or purely symbolically Alpha and Z both draw their power from Ontos and represent the two sides of duality that Logos and Pneuma used to.
So in a symboli sense Z is just the opposite side of Alpha, which may or may not be literal.
As much as I want to believe this, it's absolutely riddled with unconfirmed theory and headcanon.
The interpretation that Zanza and Meyneth are replacements for Logos and Pneuma is pretty big brained. Although I’m not sure if it quite ties in to the Gnostic side of things
it doesnt work, Shulk doesn't fit in, and once Zanza is dead, Alvis offer Shulk to be the new Zanza, and to be under his orders.
The fact that Ontos or rather Alpha has to encounter Nikol and Glimmer is so fitting. Like he ahd to confront Zanza and Meyneth...he observes the future and the past. Just like how all of A's dialogue works. She tells matthew before reaching prison island to consider N's words, because he felt the same as Nael but in a different way, to a degree that A knows her counterpart caused. A feels guilty for Alpha as he takes all the essence of creation that Klaus felt when he wanted to escape the war with Galea and tries to force a scenario where Ghondor has to be put in between N or Z and Alpha and Nael, and matthew is still uncertain about what he will do to N. So youre right, noah and mio are that story, but so is everything in aionios. This is advice from A only comes after Alpha/Na'el has to fight N, while also realizing the brother of the girl he is currently inhibiting will release her and make her not useful for his plan (because nael still is upset that in a way she caused her dad's death. Noahs son Ghondor was the bridge between moebius/the soldiers life and the new live. That's why for Alpha to cause such despair within Noah, it's almost a paradox and of course he would want to erase it before they stop time for eternity and cease to exist for human selfish desire. And now we know the sword of the end only came into N's possession because malos' essence is present and N had extreme desires. This is just speculation now, but Maybe Malos did go somewhere after 2 ended, he is an aegis and could've just been uploaded into pnuema we really don't know.
Anyway, this is just how the ouroboros powers operate on finding aanother solution and how matthew can call upon this power fighting N even after N was about to kill two more of his kind again while Alpha was injured...its just making more sense how Noah really had no knowledge of the possibilities until matthew reminded him of what he did. Noah had to witness the city years and years after all that happened and Sena would be the one to relate to Shania, also someone who hated the world. Sena would change though, as everyone else eventually would.
I think we may see either Xenosaga remakes/ports or spiritual successors based on the same concepts of the original games, but not tied down by them. With the radio that reference Saga I think that it's a pretty safe bet that it's going in the direction of Saga, but my money's on a spiritual successor rather than remake due to the incongruencies with the history and systems of the two. I'd prefer a Fullmetal alchemist: brotherhood approach rather than an attempt to connect the old story through retconning histories, and best case scenario we get saga games brought on the switch as is while some form of successor that is actually connected to the Xenoblade Chronicles series is released as well. perhaps if we're lucky we see an X connection to that as well, but I'm not really banking on that until we see the original ported at all.
i think we all know what video we're waiting for. ;)
Two questions.
-So is Ouroboros supposed to represent the middle of the two extremes (A and Z) or is it supposed to be the Alpha side that counteracts Moebius (the Z side)?
-If both Z and A are projections of Ontos, why is it only A that has the obvious visual connections to Ontos?
Man I hope that Logos was involved somehow, like I just love the idea of Ontos for XB1, Pneuma for XB2 and Logs for XB3 using their monados and carrying on their wills which this DLC kinda suggests it could not be, but hey its all left to interpretation
So that’s why Noah and Mio are reborn in the cycle.
do you think this wish is what could have allowed the two worlds to re-fuse properly, overcoming whatever wilhelm did ala radio revelations, instead of being fated to just separate, never truly knowing their other half
Yes, ironically the ending theme of base 3 talks about returning to the endless now, the FR ending theme about the future. When they start running towards each other, I think that's kinda the moment it solidifies that their true wish is somewhere inbetween Moebius and Ouroboros.
Wake up babe new Miiks
Mio! It's feelings!
The whole Xenoblade series has loved using dualities in story telling. I'd believe that Z and A/lpha were opposite ends of the same system. I'd say thats why Z refused to have a Moebius A, because of his hatred for his opposite Alpha.
we know consul A exist from 3.
@@fieldkaiju Consul A was never mentioned in base 3. It's why one of the things people speculated about was that Consul A would finally be revealed in FR.
Good theory at least for what concerns the Logos core being a repurposed Pyra or Mythra's core, which some people already theorized at the end of XC2 ( Pneuma absorbing Logos data from all the purple ether dispersed after Malos dies).
What i still wonder though is how could people like Rex, Shulk, Linka and Panacea be still alive in Future redeemed. It is stated in-game that they were not assimilated by origin, meaning that they never went through a rebirth in a pod. But i thought that every original inhabitant of Bionis and Alrest was supposed to be recorded in origin's database in order to be revived after the annihilation of the two universes?
Thanks to N we know that there have been at least 4 reincarnations of Noah and Mio after the collision, so that would mean at least 10 years for each life, making them at least 40 years after the event. If Shulk and Rex were young adults before the universes merged, then how can they still be present and haven't aged at all? Do you have a theory for that?
Very interesting stuff. Personally, I always liked the idea that in some form Logos still existed. I envision it like what Thanos did to the infinity stones in Endgame. He was unable to destroy them but he was able to reduce them to atoms and make them useless, but still existent. That's what I envisioned happening to Logos after Malos was killed in XC2.
So I’m guessing Riku took Pneuma and secretly gave it to Noah, which is why his Blade is red. Don’t know how that works but whatever. I’m still unsure if he even had Pneuma all this time but if N had some form of Logos, then it makes sense thematically
Noah got penuma when riku gave him the stealth for lucky seven (Matthew's fist of the end).
If you watch a lucky seven compilation you'll see that the red arm of Noah is green
What is the song used at the beginning of this video please!?!?
Very Interesting analysis. I like your idea of Z being an avatar or aspect of Ontos but is there any 'solid' evidence for this? I feel like Alpha and A being aspects of Ontos was quite explicit (through statements, looking like Alvis, Monado etc.) whereas with Z I don't think there's anything beyond he's able to see the flow (which may or may not mean 'the future')?
Also something else I don't get. When Alpha died, A was needed to replace him as the 'avatar' (I'm still not sure what this means) along with Shulk and Rex, which seemed to me at least that Ontos inside Origin was destroyed and so Origin needed a replacement processor? If Ontos was still inside Origin and Alpha was merely some projection of Ontos, why was it necessary for A, Shulk and Rex to 'sacrifice' themselves at the end of the dlc to replace Alpha?
Origin would have stopped if ontos was destroyed
It's not like they ever outright state it, but I think it would be more confusing if it wasn't the case.
Z's moves in the fight are basically monado shield and monado jail, and it would fit the alpha and omega stuff. They are polar opposites and Ontos was controlled by the polar opposites of Logos and Pneuma, which are in the two Blade weapons. And Z draws his power for the shield from Moebius who are his avatars.
So no it is not confirmed but it would be incredibly weird if it wasn't the case.
But unless we get another 20 minute monologue by Klaus explaining the games plot, we will never know.
@@miiks...5...3...9... I see, thanks!
Does this mean klaus made up for ontos in alrest if zanza and meyneth made up for logos and pneuma?
Seems like it, he did collect all of their data into himself
Only thing i will disagree with was how you said the City only gained independence 15 years before FR the very cutsence you showed has Ghondor even saying the cuty was founded a long time before so its definitely been there for a few generations.
Hell Ghondor brith seemed to have taken place in the city itself so its been around for about 70 years at least
yes, but they had won their independence 15 years ago. That seems to imply that the City became equal too or larger than moebius at the time. That could have made Ontos flip towards the other extreme, changing its prime directive from "endless now" to "future" as that suddenly became the majority opinion within Origin.
@@miiks...5...3...9... Or, it's the opposite, Alpha's appearance is what caused Moebius to stand down and stop attacking the city.
Like Alpha saw that the population of the city might be wiped out, so decided to kick start his plan of bringing them to a new world.
Moebius was forced to pull back because of Z losing control, not knowing about Alpha, The city population simply assumed they won.
Is the mention of Dmitri Yuriev significant at all or just an easter egg? Been listening to that radio several times and I just can't make sense of it.
I believe it just implies that the lost earth of xenosaga is lost because it split into the pocket dimensions of X1 and X2. Now that it’s implied that they merged into one earth and escaped the pocket dimensions successfully, the dot falling to earth is supposed to be kosmos, as shown in the final cutscene of xenosaga 3. I believe the significance for the series as a whole is that 1) It’s the true end to Xeno as both of these games have the same conclusion and it’s more of a love letter to both franchises. 2) We’re getting xenosaga remasters. Or 3) We’re getting xenosaga 4
Dmitri in Saga has a completely different backstory that doesn't fit into the radio scene.
I think it hints at a reboot of Saga and not a connection to the existing series
@@miiks...5...3...9... Oh wait you think???
I disagree with mayneth and zanaza being replacements for logos and pnuenma, because even klaus stated the conduit a link between worlds. And it wouldn't be impossible if all the emotions that pneuma and logos to impact alvis since hes ontos avatar and all trinity processors could use the conduit. As for the but between the binomis and mechonis meyneth traveled with klaus or zanaza to keep him on check since zanza seems to be the personality of klaus that wanted the worlds to split. With all of them gone and ontos than being used as formula for origin, and my guess is when orgins was being made to help the merge of 2 universes it and ontos sonce ontos is a learning computer knew about the fears of people m9ving towards the future, while z is not connected to ontos crytstal like alpha, alvis or A, hes like an entity that was help created by ontos and origin, thats why in xenoblade 3 Z is still around and the fact that removing Z and his will was about to destroy things, Z is more origin than ontos since he doesn't even need the core. To explain my thinking on that is when noah and mio went to origin they sensed nothing but moebius even though none could be seen at the time, meaning moebius was created from origin, i believe the memory stage of origin wanting to stay in the forever now, with the help of ontos that created Z
i was thinking about this Could Noah be a reincarnation of Klaus and Mio the reincarnation Galea. in xenoblade 1 when Zanza was talking to Face Nemesis he said "you exiets outside the pre-established harmony", that is just like Noah and Mio do in Xenoblade 3. being reborn over again even after their homecoming. also both Noah and Mio are spite in two just like Klaus/zanza and Gelea/?. in xenoblade 2 when klaus was look at Rex's back when he was running to the Final battle and said "perhaps i will be able to face you again... Gelea." almost like he's look into the future and seening Rex's will be the father of Gelea New self aka Mio.
Xenoblade 3 breaks my heart, in a good way 😂
Just what is that soundtrack at the beginning
Kino
Xenoblade X final boss theme
@@miiks...5...3...9... what of the next soundtrack after kino
Ok but why are there two lucky sevens? Did N’s just duplicate when Noah came into existance?
Dude I have the same question... What about the two stories? First Lucky Seven was forged by seven Nopon Mastersmiths (XC3 base), then by Riku and Melia (XC3 FR)?
I think I can answer that partially. Remember that moebius have special powers and moebius power itself glows purple which is Logos' color. N's special power is most likely a recreation of Lucky Seven.
Here's the way I think it went down:
Melia with the help of seven other nopon built Lucky Seven. Eventually it was given to N!Noah. When N!Noah died, it was probably returned to Melia who managed to hand it to Riku some time before she was captured by moebius.
Why does N!Noah have the Logos core crystal while P!Noah has the Pneuma core crystal? I'm not sure, but we could say that it's related to their outlook.
you say Z and Alpha are basically what logos and pneuma are supposed to be, yet Alpha, up until the events in the city, was Ontos. How could Ontos himself fit into this ? Ontos was always passive until he reached a conclusion, he cannot be part of the debate, because that is against his role.
When Pneuma (Ouroboros) is the majority vote Ontos programming reacts to that which leads to Alpha.
When Logos (Moebius) is the majority vote Ontos reacts to the wish for the endless now as Z.
Alternatively Z could also be a third party that just uses Ontos' power (Consul armor is monado themed visually)
But I think Z being a third party just adds needless extra moving pieces
Miiks, why are Shulk, Rex, Riku, Panacea, Linka, etc immortal?
They entered Aionios when it was created so they stopped aging.
@@le1660 That's the only headcanon that works. Why do you think Linka and Panacea weren't trapped in Origin?
@@a-zfan3229 that's a good question. I don't think it's explained how they survived the creation of aionios.
They probably entered at the same time Rex and shulk did.
I think Panacea explains it at some point. Something about not being properly assimilated into Origin
The more interesting question would be: why do Rex and Shulk appear to be the only ones who age? They're clearly older in FR than they look when they team up with Z against Alpha, especially Shulk.
These character splitting events are starting to reach Kingdom Hearts levels of silly. I need a flow chart to keep track of the characters now.
Oh boy, you are going to love Xenosaga
Dude it's not hard for ether series
A BCDEFGHIJKL MN OPQRSTUVWXY Z
how poetic
Yeah no, I'm not coming on CZcams to read text. Guess I won't know your theory ahah
i understand your analysis of Z as a half of ontos, but i don't understand how that would come to be or make actual sense (obviously it's fiction and nothing makes sense anyway but you know what i mean). Z seems to have existed from the beginning of origin and act very independent of ontos. he does refer to ontos as his god, but in the scene where he sends N off to attack the city, he reflects on sword of the end and seems to recognize that the power may come from other gods, which communicates to me that 1. Z isn't fully knowledgeable on everything deep inside origin and 2. that he doesn't necessarily only regard ontos to be above him. if Z was the part of ontos based on his past, why would A ever need to exist? why would his wings be complete with Z around and only split once A is formed? basically i don't see how Z is formed from ontos in any meaningful way and your analysis seems more to try to bridge any themes there could be as if it was also lore, which i don't agree with anyway either
Because the game was written like shit, and those theories wouldn't fix it anyway.
‘Mio’s became an Avatar for Alpha’
Well at least they follow Mio’s footsteps by doing something incredibly stupid that made everything worse. And would end with her future being destroyed if Noah hadn’t stepped in. Again.
What did Mio do that was incredibly stupid and make everything worse?
@@WhyFi59 Killed herself.
@@mrbubbles6468 How did that make everything worse? That gave the present Mio what she needed exactly, gave N his comeuppance and gave Ouroboros the edge over Moebius. She even saved the City (indirectly at least)!
All I got from this is that Alvis is trans now or something
Alvis can chose the gender at will he/she is something in between.
Alvis is a machine, and machines are genderless. Chooses to go as a femboy in XC1 and as a knight-lady on FR... Pneuma is the woman, Logos is the man, and Ontos seems to represent "everything in between".
A is Anima, Alpha is Animus.
All this lore and shit is good and all but I still honestly prefer XB/XB2's story/characters more. It's somewhat hard to explain; my only logic is I dislike Taion, Sena, Lanz and generally anything involving them (if they get developed in the side stories, idk. I just blitzed main story cause I was getting tired of it).
The side stories/quests are more or less there to help characterize everybody barring Noah and Mio.
By skipping them, you basically just kneecap the story and will have way more questions than answers.
@@MiguelHernandez-lo5lg I think if hero quests are extremely necessary to understand Taion, Sena and Lanz more, they needed to be forced/part of main story like Mio and Noah's were. Not to mention some of them are annoying to do. I went into the game wanting to do everything, don't get me wrong; but the story took way too long to become "good," and I was getting tired of constantly being attacked by every fucking thing and the somewhat drawn out scenes.
This is my personal gripe with a story that hinges more on the cast of characters (Ensemble based stories) rather than just a story like XB1 and XB2 that are more straight forward....
There's a reason XB3 is not going into my replay play.....