WHERE are the non-Kanto Gen 1 Pokemon FROM?
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- With the great feedback we got on our last video, here is the inevitable follow-up: If these Gen 1 Pokemon AREN'T from the Gen 1 region of Kanto, where ARE they first from?
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00:00 Intro: The 20(+1?) Non-Kanto Gen 1 Pokemon
00:47 Glitch-only Pokemon: Mew & Missingno
01:43 Fossil Pokemon
02:29 A deep dive into Aerodactyl
04:03 Gift Pokemon: Lapras & Eevee
05:22 Gift Pokemon: Hitmonchan & Hitmonlee
06:25 Digital "Gift" Pokemon: Porygon
08:18 Gift Pokemon: Bulbasaur, Charmander, & Squirtle
09:36 Limited Pokemon: Snorlax
10:07 In-Game Trades: Mr. Mime
11:13 Safari Zone Pokemon: Dratini & Tauros
11:41 Safari Zone Pokemon: Exeggcute
12:57 Safari Zone Pokemon: Scyther & Pinsir
13:46 Safari Zone Pokemon: Kangaskhan
15:07 The final list
15:32 Outro
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Great video! I always love pokemon theory and lore content like this.
One small thing though, Eevee can't be native to Unova. It's stated multiple times by Juniper and Bianca that all the old Pokemon now availiable in BW2 have only recently entered the region from migration within the past 2 years.
So you were right about the Kalos thing, because that's the first region where Eevee can be caught in the wild and it isn't specified as a recent introduction to the region.
Oh, wow! That's a great point! I'd completely forgotten that bit of dialogue, but it makes sense. Having Pokemon in Unova in the sequels that weren't in the original B/W is kind of a weird "Gen 2 Kanto" situation, but that fixes that!
Thanks so much for your comment! =D
Along with Kalos, Eevee is also a native Pokemon in Paldea and ancient Hisui.
Its likely in unova because they were abandoned or escaped.
@@danielmalinen6337and Alola… and Galar… They’re always catchable in the wild from DPPt (Trophy Garden) onwards. But I guess it’s possible for a Pokémon to be native to multiple regions.
@@SakuraLovesong
I mean look at Pikachu
Scyther in Sinnoh was only present in Platinum but Kleavor's existence in Hisui makes their nativeness more evident.
They're catchable in Diamond as well, and even though it might be a post-game route, it's still within the region (kind of like a Cerulean Cave situation)
@@BabusGameRoom"The region" - the Battle Zone is actually specifically called a separate region.
@@doomsdayrabbit4398 The Battle Zone is still part of Sinnoh, a sub-region, yes, but still in Sinnoh.
@@LBTV_Studios Yes, this. It's an island, but it's still local to the area. The Kleavor/Hisui thing also solidifies this. It could be that it was hunted to extinction on the mainland but stayed safe on that island.
@@LBTV_Studios They canonically refer to it as a different region, no different to Kanto in GSC/HGSS.
2:16 Well to be fair, Legends Arceus takes place at most 200 years in the past, while Aerodactyl is said to be millions of years old
Yeah, that's my bad, haha...I didn't realize how "recent" Legends: Arceus took place!
Thank you for the correction!
@@BabusGameRoom Theres also the Sun pokedex entry for Cranidos which directly puts Aerodactyl in Sinnoh.
"It lived in jungles around a hundred million years ago. It used its skillful headbutts to combat Aerodactyl."
yeah the fossils in that game are only in the timespace distortions im pretty sure
@@BabusGameRoom also in PLA the underground isn't dug out yet, iirc its the alpha onix you let get on with its tunnelling
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I really like the idea that Snorlax is native to Sinnoh, given that they would have developed that thick fat to keep warm in the northern cold of Pokemon's Hokkaido.
That's a great explanation! It really makes a lot of sense. I hadn't even considered that!
Might be rare because they sleep so much and don't encounter each other that often because of that
Also, in Pokemon Red/Blue I think when you defeat Snorlax or run away from the battle after waking it up, it mentions something about it “returning back to the mountains”
@@edwardlara4271Yes. I like to think the place they live in the mountains is hard to get to and that’s why the only way to get them is if they come down from the mountains. i.e. the tall grass with Snorlax may exist in Kano but is inaccessible by the player.
Some things to consider:
PLA has all the sinnoh starters be native to Sinnoh, so I think starters are intended to be native to their debut region and just happen to be rare
Oh, that's a good point! Now you've got me questioning the ethics of the professors...how and why are they the sole distributors of Starter Pokemon, and why are they so stingy with them??
@@BabusGameRoom a shoddy cast episode (or the game theory series with the shoddy cast host, I don’t remember which) theorized that the gender distribution of the starter’s materially affects their population. If that’s the case, them breeding them as part of a conservation effort isn’t out of the question. Also, the fact that starter Pokémon in general are infinitely replicable and obtainable even by people aren’t who connected to the professors (e.g., the person who gives you the alolan starter in Gen 8 says he met his starter in Alola, the rival in B2W2 hatched his starter from an egg) I believe serves as further evidence that starters in particular are supposed to be native to their debut region where
@@BabusGameRoom My headcanon has always been that these are rare, but easy to understand pokemon. In some ways, I guess a trainer could be expected to breed them? But then why isn't the professor? Perhaps they're so endangered that re-introducing them to the wild would be just as detrimental?
I actually only think this applies to Kanto and Sinnoh. In the other regions, the only trainers that have the other starters are your rivals, who get them from the professor. Kanto and Sinnoh are also the only regions where their region's starters have ever been shown to be available in the wild.
The other starters could be native to the Lental region in New Pokemon Snap, since it'd be weird for humans to bring them to such a sparsely inhabited region.
@@metleon in B2W2 Hugh actually hatches his from an egg, and in Galar there’s a character you can fight who has all 3 starters that’s unrelated to the professor
On Aerodactyl, remember that legends Arceus isn’t as far away from the mainline games as it would be for the likely time periods that Aerodactyl and the other fossil Pokémon to have lived, so, it’s likely Aerodactyl existed in the region even further back, but by legends it’s extinct and ambers are deep in the ground.
Yup, that's a big goof on my part! haha
I guess that'd make ancient Sinnoh the most likely candidate for Aerodactyl's native region!
I thought of this, but they did make the gen 4 fossil Pokémon Cranidos and Shieldon, catchable in Legends Arceus. So, uh, I guess Aerodactyl could be from a previous period, but I think they just forgot to add it. Also, it seems that the Old Amber is only findable in DPP after obtaining the National Dex; I don't know how that's possible but oh well.
@aldoespinosazuniga7711 Cranidos and Sheldon are only obtainable in the space-time distortions in P:LA, which imply that they are taken from a different time and place altogether.
@@christiancinnabars1402 Oh, I forgot about that.
@@christiancinnabars1402 Besides being catchable in distortions, Cranidos and Sheldon fossils are seen inside a cave in PLA. Like you see the actual complete fossils sticking out of a wall in the cave. So it appears they are from ancient Sinnoh/ Hisui.
So you are aware coconuts and palm fruit float on the tides. That's how they spread across so much of the world.
I actually had no idea! Thank you for that!
Exeggcute can't learn Surf though, so I don't know if that would exactly translate from coconuts to Exeggcute. Though it would make for an interesting journey!
Coconuts are hollow. They would float
@@BabusGameRoom Think the logic of clearing Flying Pokemon not being able to learn Fly
Or anything with a mouth that can't learn bite
I always assumed Farfetch'd just flew in pairs to ferry the coconuts across the ocean
Team Rocket are exotic animal traders, they probably abducted all the Kangashkan to sell them
Lapras can still be native to kanto some dex entries say that it was going extinct so giving one to the player was likely a conservation effort
It could be from Kanto, but it's first catchable in the wild in Johto in Gen 2! =o
@@BabusGameRoom Wouldn't be all too surprised if it was a critically endangered animal originally from Kanto. Likely only survived in Johto due to the extreme isolation it's afforded by the cave systems. The best example of something in our world would the the "Tasmanian" tiger (aka the thylacine), which wasn't only native to Tasmania
Tasmanian Tiger/Thylacine: historically at it's greated range it lived in northern Tasmania, most of Australia, and even all the way north to New Guinea. The reason it was associated with Tasmania is that was one of the last places it was most populous(/not locally extinct), but this was also historically as much an Australian animal as a kangaroo (we even have cave paintings of it there).
This fracturing of habitat as an animal gets more threated can create odd population bubbles which only show the most isolated portions of their range which managed to survive whatever drove the rest to local extinction. This is also how you get things like american bison existing in pockets of Alaska, Mexico, and Canada despite having originally been most populous in the US great plains, It's the most isolated areas of their former range (that were out of the way of us killing them all. The skull pile pic is both cool/horrifying).
@@JennJurassic I agree with this theory especially since wild Lapras can be found in the Kanto-adjacent Sevii Islands. Four Island is also where Kanto Elite Four member Lorelei is from and also is where she caught/trained with her signature Lapras. Furthermore, team Rocket was caught trying to poach & sell the wild Pokemon in Icefall Cave presumably to Johto where they were setting up operations, which could’ve introduced Lapras to the Johto region.
Also I’m not sure if I agree with Babus that “order of game appearance” necessarily means thats where they are native to.
@@bobbyman3211 Was looking to see if anyone brought up Four Island. I can't remember exactly what's said about the Lapras there but it sounds like a believable native location. With the idea of just looking for their first native location in the order of games, Four Island probably doesn't change things, but if we're looking for lore on *all* the native locations it's possibly the best example for Lapras
@@BabusGameRoom That's actually not true. Canonically, it's first obtainable in the Sevii Islands. Specifically in Icefall Cave on Four Island. It's also implied that that's where Lorelei got her Lapras. Chronologically speaking, FireRed and LeafGreen take place earlier then any of the Johto games.
Since the Sevii Islands are considered part of the Kanto region, I'd say that makes Lapras native to Kanto. But seeing as how Johto and Kanto are literally connected, it's not a stetch to assume that Lapras are also native to Johto.
EDIT: Just noticed this was already mentioned. Oh well. It's worth noting twice I suppose, haha.
For references to the real world, I do take them as sort of placeholder names that the Pokemon team just didn't want to make a Pokemon equivalent for at the time. Then when they _do_ make a Pokemon equivalent of the name, they just retcon it to have always been the case.
Look at Raichu's dex entries, for an example. Up until as recently as Pokemon Sun, its dex entries mention Indian Elephants, making both India and Elephants placeholder terms that "exist" in the Pokemon world. But in Gen 8, specifically Legends Arceus, it is then retconned to actually have been refering to Copperajah the whole time, whose native region is yet to be named (dex entries from both Galar and Paldea state that it is non-native to those regions; probably once an India region is made we'll see some native Copperajahs).
So Mew is from "Guyana" until a South America region is made. Then, boom, it was actually from that region the whole time!
That's a great point!
My new theory is that Faraway Island is an island of Guyana, ahaha
@@BabusGameRoomThe sign out front of the thicket where you find Mew on Faraway Island seems to imply that, actually!
I think the reason why most people said Exeggcute may be native to Alola is based on Exeggutor's Hoenn dex entry, which states that "originally came from the tropics". Arguably, Hoenn can be considered the next most tropical region to Alola, but they are not catchable in the region and the wording is clearly meant to imply that Exeggutor is from another place thats not Hoenn (after checking, its worth noting that the Hoenn games are the only pokedexes to state this). This alongside the fact that the Alolan dexes talks about how Alola "is considered the best environment" for (Alolan) Exeggutor and that its carved into historical buildings and murals seem to have contributed to the idea that Alolan Exeggutor can be considered the "original" Exeggutor that spread to other regions and became shorter over time.
You could say that Exeggutor has just been on Alola for a very long time and started in an another region, but at that point that could also apply to any other pokemon that are catchable in multiple regions (although I agree that you could argue that because its not like they planned for Alola and other regions 20 years in advance, Exeggcute being originally Johto still makes sense)
To me it makes sense if Gamefreak's intention was to imply that the palm tree pokemon was originally native to where normal palm trees also grow, especially considering they probably wanted to give some of the original 151 special attention and extra lore because it was the 20th anniversary.
Ahhh, THAT'S where it's from! I was looking at the entries for ALOLAN Exeggutor exclusively. Thank you for this comment! Those are all great points! =D
This comment deserves a ping or something.
@@BabusGameRoom alola is also mentioned to be pretty close to kanto
Lapras is kind of an odd situation. It's pokedex entry for RB says "A Pokémon that has been overhunted almost to extinction. It can ferry people across the water." If it's been hunted to near-extinction, you would be unlikely to find it. That it appears in a cave in Johto almost seems happenstance; it's a safe place for it to be an unlikely be found. There could have been like 10 left in the wild for all we know, in which case--game mechanics-wise--you would never find it in the wild. It may still be a Kanto native. Heck, if it's a sea-faring pokemon, it may not be able to call any region native; it would likely call the ocean and many, many shores as being native. The same way we don't say that the blue whale is native to any one country, but that it has a specific habitat.
A lot of commenters have been saying that Lapras would be native to "the oceans", which I can definitely get behind. The first place they're catchable infinitely in the wild (not as a stationary Pokemon) is in the Sevii Islands, which adds to that idea!
But actually, because of people breeding Lapras in the later generations, it is reintroduced in multiple regions.
The Johto encounter could easily have been released/abandoned there by its former owner, or lost while the owner was exploring the cave. It so happened to occur on a Friday, so Lapras returns every week without fail hoping to see its original trainer again.
Haven't tested if it's a different Lapras encounter every week, so this could be totally bunk.
Like, thats actually my issue with many Water type and Flying type Pokemon. Its hard to actually pinpoint their native region, since they can easily migrate to other regions.
Like, for example Pidgey might have been Unova native (Or Pidove Kanto native), but they migrated away because of the other Pidgeon Pokemon.
@@nickdentoom1173 most pokémon introduced in a generation aren´t strictly native to that region, they give us what species we can found there, but we can also find in other regions...Pikachu is a good example, it´s not strictly native to Kanto, is a relatively common species in many regions, and the Pikachu in Alola didn´t became a regional variant, but they evolve into a different Raichu variant, and that variant is NATIVE to Alola
Personally I'd argue Eevee is native to Kalos not Unova considering how unnatural it's location is, it's in a blocked off city park, it makes more sense to me that those Eeve were imported as exotic pets(as American is prone to do)that were either released or escaped/being the descendents of those that did, it makes more sense that it would naturally be in a route not a city
It also makes more sense lore wise being the first region where all of it's evolutions are available
You're definitely right! Someone else brought up that the B2W2 species that aren't from Gen 5 have been brought over. So nothing non-Gen 5 should be exclusive to Unova. I missed that bit of dialogue in the games...oops! lol
Because Eevee is based on domesticated pets, I'd argue that it doesn't really have a native region, mostly living where humans do but with a few going wild.
Regarding Exeggcute, "What pokemon would carry an egg/seed that far on purpose?"
Chansey. Chansey would.
BOOM! And that's how they ended up in the Safari Zone.
Exeggcute were never actually endangered!!
...aaaand Chanseys also live in Alola! This is sounding more and more plausible! haha
Giovanni visited Kalos and was fed up with M-Kahn destroying his team and decided to take it out on the Kantonian Kahns lol
This is the best theory for Giovani's hate against Kangaskhan
I think Eevee being native to Kalos is a better bet than Unova simply due to how Castelia Park is as a location, being a small patch of perfectly designed grass in the middle of a massive city, its absolutely not a natural location that any pokemon would be native to.
Proven by its other encounters being Petilil & Cottonee (plants in a park who wouldve guessed), Rattata & Pidove (generic NYC animals being rats & pigeons), and then the 3 extremely out-of-place encounters being Buneary, Skitty, & Eevee. 3 pokemon with correlation to common pet types (Rabbit, Cat, Canine-like). I wouldnt call rats native to cities despite being so common there- same case with Eevee (and it being even less common).
Yes! Others have even mentioned that the B2/W2 Pokemon are not native species to the region either, so that means Eevee should definitely be back in the "Kalos" category.
Most likely people abandoned/released their pokemon in the park, perhaps after what happened with Team Plasma two years prior. They just happened to reproduce and create a population. Similar to real life and how feral cats and dogs can breed out of control.
Something worth noting is that Pokémon can just be native to more than one region. The first four main regions, Sevii, and Kitakami are all based on Japan, so naturally they're going to see heavy overlap in species distribution.
For example, Lapras and Snorlax.
Lapras can be found wild in Union Cave and in Four Island Cave.
Snorlax is likely native to both Kanto and Sinnoh. Kitakami is between the two, and it can be found there as well. Given that Snorlax is said to return to the mountains, and we only ever explore the mountain caves, it seems likely to me that Snorlax lives on top of the mountains, where we aren't allowed to go.
On Porygon, I don't think it needs to be found in the wild to considered native. It would be more appropriate to say it was invented in Kanto, given that it is entirely artificial.
Following from Snorlax's logic, I think it's safe to say that there's a lit of Pokémon we can visit the natural habitat for because of game limitations.
Emerald's dex confirms Kabuto isn't even actually extinct - some very rare living examples can be found. Just not by us.
That's true! I went by the "Kantonian Rattata" logic that assigns the region based on the first place it's encounterable. But in the games and in nature, creatures can definitely be native to multiple regions at once.
You're right that Porygon probably should be called "invented in" rather than "native to" a region
I now want to see an injured Snorlax climbing a mountain, haha
Lorewise, the Kanto starters are CLEARLY meant to be from Kanto, just so rare that you don't manage to find any. That's why so many different Kanto trainers have them and are able to give them out as gifts. Let's Go was being completely consistent with the established lore, there.
EDIT: Also, Snorlax is specifically stated to return to the mountains if you defeat it. Presumably those are the mountains visible near Kanto on the map that you never actually visit.
That does make sense (on both counts). Though, I just figured that the CoolTrainers and such who had starters were trainers who started from Pallet Town. All the other trainers started somewhere else!
Actually, about the Snorlax part, those mountains probably refer to Cerulean Cave, since you can find Snorlax there in Lets Go.
Using a nearly extinct pokemon because you were the sole cause of their extermination is 100% a Giovanni top tier move.
ahaha, I hadn't even looked at it that way! Very true!!
Coconuts can float really far and i don't think alola and Kanto are that far apart
True! Though I have my reservations on accepting that as Exeggcute's method of "emigration" until it can learn Surf! haha
@@BabusGameRoomI don't see why floating would result in them being able to surf. Being able to bob around in water doesn't imply being able to control water- quite the opposite actually.
To me, just because a Pokémon appears in the wild in a game first, doesn't mean they're from there. For example, it makes much more sense for Eevee to be native to Kalos as all of its evolutions are present there, and there is an abundance of them compared to in Castelia City, where you have to go undergroud in a sewer to get to an alleyway just to get an Eevee which is a rare encounter in the few patches of grass there. I doubt that everyone whos gifts an Eevee went to the sewers in Unova to get Eevees. Fun video though! I really like this!
Thanks so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it! =D
Yeah, I did try to be careful with assigning the first region where they're infinitely catchable without a caveat, but I forgot about B2W2's caveat that all the non-Gen 5 Pokemon are explicitly non-native. So Eevee definitely belongs in Kalos!
I think the starters are kinda native to their respective region but are specifically bred to be "beginner friendly", kinda like dog breeds? Although your explanation makes sense too xD
That would make sense! It's always bothered me how the professors have such a monopoly on them, though. At least Professor Oak gave the Kanto starters out to other trainers. But I think in every gen since Gen 2, there's only one of each starter given out among all the characters you meet in the game! haha
i think its the case that starters are like endangered species of the region like their egg ratio is 88M/12F% ratio that only pokemon professors can provide the starters the necessary environment for them to reproduce.
Makes sense for Tyrogue to be wild in Galar since SwSh and its evos have themes related to Attack and Defense.
Gym Leader Bea using a Hitmontop makes this more solid, it's a nice compromise and balance of both styles.
Meanwhile, Eevee in Unova explains why there was a League Trainer in the anime who had a team of them.
That's a great point about Tyrogue being native to Galar!! Thank you for that!
I didn't know about the Eevee team trainer in Unova in the anime. I haven't actually watched it regularly since season 1! ahaha
The Unova trainer argument also implies that Eevee could be Galarian because of Penny
Almost all the safari zone Pokémon are also found in Poni plains, leaving me to believe that where they where all imported from
That's a great hypothesis!
Snorlax is said to be from "the mountains," so technically you could say it's from Sinnoh because it's the only region with a fully explorable mountain range with wild Munchlax galore.
That's a good point!
Further, adding to that Sinnoh theory for Snorlax, if you defeat it in battle, it says it headed back for the mountains, where else other than Mount Coronet and Sinnoh is said to be north of Kanto
That's a great point! Though it does seem like a rather long journey for an injured Snorlax...haha
I remember Ashes snorlax swims pretty fas in the anime t@@BabusGameRoom
Rock Tunnel and Mt. Moon are both in mountainous area though. Presumably those are the mountains being referred to.
Mt. Silver is between Kanto and Johto...
@@Kamidio Also don't forget Cerulean Cave, where it can be found in the wild in Lets Go.
Wait a pokemon theory youtuber who uses valid logic, shows alternate hypothesis and isnt annoying?! which seal of hell is this.
ahaha, thank you!
A lot of them exist
valid logic like "Let's Go are barely even games"?
@@LieseFurythey are cute games also not true they are a very unique approach
Y’all just cynical
@@madnessarcade7447 do you know what quotation marks mean
I think Mew is a difficult specimen because in my opinion Gen I implicitly takes place in our world with Pokemon added in, as opposed to every other Gen which takes place in the Pokemon world (and Gen II then retcons Gen I in that sense).
I would argue Mr. Mime is a Sinnoh Pokemon though. Gen II takes place 3 years after Gen I; enough time for the Sinnohian(?) Mr. Mime to migrate over to Kanto (which explains why Mime Jr. isn't around).
Kangaskhan I think belongs to Kalos, personally. That's where you can catch them in a normal wild area for the first time.
Great perspectives! Thanks for your comment!
Gen 1 is weird from that perspective. It's hard to say how much of a distinction there's supposed to be between the real world and the Pokemon world...is the Pokemon world a parallel universe on top of our own? I think that might be what they'd been sort of going for for a while considering that real world locations have been mentioned in-game as recently as gen 6 (Poliwrath's dex entry mentioning the Pacific Ocean). Probably an oversight, but it seems relatively recent that they've been actively trying to cut out the real world.
Between Mr. Mime and Kangaskhan, I'm more inclined to say Kangaskhan is Kantonian, and Mr. Mime isn't. I can imagine the team forgetting about Mr. Mime, and adding it to Gen 2 just to make it catchable in the wild somewhere in the GB/C games.
But I like my Kangaskhan theory, and it does seem to check out...especially since the Cubone migrate from Pokemon Tower to Rock Tunnel between Gen 1 and Gen 2. I think the implication is that they always lived in Rock Tunnel with Kangaskhan, but after Team Rocket took over shortly before Gen 1, the Kangaskhan were mostly wiped out, and the Cubone moved to Pokemon Tower to mourn.
...of course, Kalos is another good contender for Kangaskhan's native region, especially for those who don't buy the Cubone-Kangaskhan connection! haha
I'm surprised none of the comments specifically brought up Faraway Island as the explicit home of Mew in generation 3, and the modern canons equivalent of the Guyana reference.
Even though the concept of countries was removed from Pokémon in exchange for solely regions, I’m pretty sure the geographical earth is not that different from ours. One could easily argue that Faraway Island is based on one of the hundreds of islands in the Essequibo River in real-world Guyana (or whatever region in the Pokémon world that is based on South American countries). It tracks with mew’s origins.
I actually think Kalos is Mr. Mime and Mime. Jrs native region.
Mr. Mime and Mime Jr cannot even be found in the same area in the Sinnoh games, while both evolutions can be found in Reflection Cave in Kalos.
I would like to point out that later gens actually added more mentions of the real world including Antarctica (Regice, Pacific Ocean (Poliwrath Johto entry), Russia (Some npc in FRLG), and South America again (Xatu)
I'm pretty sure it's gen 6 onwards that began removing them
Lapras did have Dex entries pointing out how it’s hunted to near extinction, so it could easily have been Kanto native prior to that
Although it definitely seems more native to the open seas and it merely ends up on various regions’ coastlines
It spawns in LGPE, but so do all Kanto Pokemon except for the fossils, Mewtwo and Mew
That's true! I imagine Lapras to be more of a sea-faring Pokemon, so maybe trying to think of it as tied to any one region is the wrong way to go about it.
The appearance in Union Cave is almost a bit dark...like it's trying to hide away from being caught or killed...and we catch it or knock it out every week anyway! lol
I always thought it was native to the Sevii Islands
The Charizard line I'd actually put in galar like the hitmon line.
Charmander and it's evos are found exclusively in raid dens in sword/shield's hammerlock hills/lake of outrage (i find it funny the "dragon" is only found in it's den).
The funny thing is that even post DLC the other two starters ARNT available normally in the wild. They were only ever available through events, gifts, and the "wild area news" which functions more like swarms than anything else (also now they aren't found in the wild AT ALL in those games as the news is stuck on the same thing until the servers go down).
so that means these starters at least are basically confirmed to be from entirely different regions from each other. The closest things otherwise would be the hisui starters but they are only found in either mass outbreaks (basically swarms again) or distortions, they could even be invasive mons that adapted to the region (especially considering they only are regional on their final evo).
(also obligatory "if I had a nickel for every gen 1 line originally native to galar, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice")
Oh, that's interesting! I didn't know that about the raid dens in Galar!
Separating the starters from each other would be almost tragic, though! haha
I have a pet theory that Houndour and Houndoom are rare Kanto Natives that Team Rocket tried to cut down on the population of, so that nobody could counter their Mewtwo once Giovanni got that master ball. Once it was taken by the player, and the team was disbanded, the population began to recover over three years. Team Rocket never had a reason to cull them without a master ball, and Giovanni was the only one that knew about Mewtwo anyway, so even if they got one, they'd probably waste it on something else, like one of the Bird Trio, or one of the Beast Trio.
Yeah, I love the "Team Rocket wants to get rid of Dark types to make Mewtwo even stronger" theory!!
Some other commenters have suggested that they're nocturnal and great hiders, and no one in Kanto thought to look for Pokemon at night. Pokemon Training is a 9-5 job, I guess! lol
I think that those theories aren't mutually exclusive...things are getting deeper! haha
Regarding Aerodactly and Hisui - they could have gone extict before the Hisui games take place, like most prehistoric animals irl went extinct way before we started mastering written language to a degree they do in Hisui. That is to say, it not being in Hisui isn't a problem for it being native to there
You're definitely right! The timeline mistake was a goof on my part, haha
I don't think Eevee is necessarily native to Unova, at least not in the location you'd suggested. In Black and White, non-Unovan Pokémon were only found in the eastern portion of the region. In the sequels that take place a few years after the events of the previous titles, Pokémon from eastern Unova are said to have migrated to new habitats in the rest of the region. Eevee being found in Castelia City's park is likely a result of migration from other places or Importation.
You're definitely right! I think Kalos was the right call all along
14:13 Your theory isn't much of a theory anymore because of the Beta Green leak.
Marowak used to have an evolution, Guardia, that carries a child that looks alot like baby Kangaskhan. Most likely, this 3rd stage evolution was redesigned as Kangaskhan.
Also, in the Alola games, Cubone has a chance to call Kangaskhan for backup in SOS Battles.
Yeah! I saw that after uploading the video purely by coincidence. Theory confirmed!!
Isn't the Old Amber with the mosquito just a Jurrasic Park reference?
Yes, for sure! But there'd still need to be some DNA inside the Old Amber to revive an Aerodactyl. I guess they replaced "stealing an idea from Jurassic Park" with "no idea", ahaha
Your videos are awesome dude. I love how in depth you can talk about this stuff! Cant wait for more!
Wow, thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed them! =D
Such a cool concept for a series 👀 definitely going to be keeping my eye on your channel this video and the one before are great!
Wow, thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed them! =D
I bet the exeggcute migrated from alola, like IRL coconuts migrated, by floating across the ocean
I could get behind this theory if Exeggcute could learn Surf! haha
I think, is the other way around, remember palm trees grew so high in order to compete for sunlight, something like the Natural Selection of the giraffes, they "adapted to be taller for survival reasons".
@@BabusGameRoomPokémon don't need Surf to float or even swim, the same as they don't need Fly to fly. See Magikarp and Butterfree.
Personally I'd probably put Eevee as being a Sinnoh native based on the fact that you can catch them in the wild in Legends Arceus.
At some point in history a group decided to catch all the wild ones in Sinnoh because profit, and the wild Eevee populations in other regions were founded by escaped or abandoned (IV breeding strikes again) domesticated good bois
Oh dear...Eevee hunted to extinction in the past. That's definitely a possibility!
@@BabusGameRoom Furthermore, Sinnoh is the only (or at least original place) where eevee gets "natural" eeveelutions with leafeon & glaceon. All the other eeveelutions essentially require human interaction (stone/friendship etc). This could have been something that was forced by trainers after migration similar to how cockapoos are bred by humans. It would all certainly add to the thesis that Sinnoh is their home region.
@@BabusGameRoom I've already changed my mind. I feel it more likely they were brought over from Kalos by settlers in the hisui region. I think it's fair to assume that the moss rock and ice rock are just evolution stone sources. So it doesnt add anymore viability to sinnoh as their starting location.
I think after a short period of them being available in hisui due to being brought over by settlers, they are their eeveelutions were then hunted back out of extinction by predators or humans.
Or the settlers realised the mistake they made on the biodiversity of the region by releasing eevees into the wild and set about culling their wild numbers (we'll say all by catching though of course) to bring stability back to the region.
@@wakeboarder1kiefer Actually, that is not true though.
Sylveon is also a natural Eeveelution, since it occurs when Eevee has learned a Fairy type move.
Great video! I'd love to see more of these about other regions!
Thank you so much! I know that Johto will be an "interesting" region to cover...haha
Wow this seems really different from most of your other content and I hope you do more! This idea for every region would be woooonderful
Yeah, this exploded way more than I'd have ever guessed it would!
I definitely plan on continuing this for the other regions -- Johto is coming soon! =D
That is some deep and frightening Kangaskhan lore...
It is frightening! And I think that's why Game Freak has never made the Cubone/Kangaskhan theory explicit
Your rules are so inconsistent. You consider lore to discount some games appearances while ignoring it for others for no reason because we have to go with the first gen it shows up in no matter what. Mr Mime is a Mime. Mimes are from France. Kalos is France and it has Mr Mime and Mime Jr in it. It had an entire natural psychic mirror cave habitate they live in. It's really really stupid not prioritizing Kalos as it's native region if the whole point of this is to identify where the non native pokemon were likely originally from.
Also your not considering ALL the games that can provide valid answers, like Pokémon Snaps Pokémon Island or Pokémon Colleseums Orre region. Professor Oak looks over an island in Pokémon Snap chock full of Charmander and Squirtle and Bulbasaur and their evolutions, he probably caught a few there.
You're right! haha
Of course, it's not a scientific list, and there'll probably never be definitive answers for a lot of these. I decided to go with "First gen in the main series games" with an infinitely catchable appearance in a "natural" wild area as my main criteria because otherwise a new region could end up being the "native" region for a Pokemon that's been "native" in a bunch of earlier gens.
The precedent for that is how we refer to alternate forms of the Pokemon...think of Alolan Meowth vs. Galarian Meowth vs. Kantonian Meowth. That works for Meowth, and even if Gen 10 introduced a cat island that would be perfect for Meowth to originate from, we'd still be calling the classic form "Kantonian Meowth". So there's that precedent to name a Pokemon's form after the region it first appeared in. I just bumped it up to whichever region a Pokemon was first catchable in rather than where it's "most logically from" lore-wise.
Of course, your perspective is certainly valid!
Thank you so much. Ive been thinking about this for literal year.
haha, I'm glad you enjoyed it! =D
I love your channel, your video essays are top tier!
Haha, thank you so much! I'm glad you're enjoying them! =D
I would love to see you do these with the later generations. While I don't fully agree with every choice I like how you kept it open ended. Also I feel like some could be native to an "unseen region" as they sometimes imply in the series (gen 9 legendaries as an example). For those I'd say you could guess a real life equivalent using the animal inspiration or pokedex as a reference.
Will definitely be following up on this with other regions!!
Porygon and mewtwo should be in a man-made Pokemon category
That definitely makes sense!
Another great educational video! A lot of this goes beyond my Poké knowledge, so I can't contribute, but luckily many people are doing just that. I'm excited to see where things are heading for your channel! Good job! :D
Thank you so much for your continued support, Mr. Whiskers! =D
I thought the first video would get a few hundred views over time...but it became a few thousand so I had to make this follow-up...and I thought this would get a few thousand too. Holy cow did this ever exceed my expectations! ahaha
I love these ideas. They open up a new aspect of pokemon I've never thought about before. Having certain pokemon not be native to the region they first appear in also makes the world seem so much more connected.
Definitely! I'm glad you enjoyed it =D
Great video. Would love to see more of this type of content.
Thanks so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
The kanto starters are all catchable in Galar, charmander is in the wild area and the others are in raids in the isle of armor
I'm not sure if I'd want to count the raid dens, but is Charmander actually catchable in the wild? I only see references to raid dens, Hmm...
Wow, you just uploaded this and its already your most viewed video by almost 2x! Thats awesome. Welcome back, btw; cant wait to see more from you, and Safia when shes out from school!
Yeah, this one blew up like crazy!!
Thank you so much! Glad to see you in the comments! =D
Every since I was a kid, I imagined starter pokemon as almost special breeds that essentially are created by the government or some sort of agency tasked with establishing a rubric or formula for kids interested in becoming trainers. With Legend's Arceus, it almost proved my theory for me. Like basically they found these actual wild Pokemon that follow a consistent path (3 evolution stages) and then they bred them to balanced with each other.
That's a great hypothesis!
Though "balanced with each other" is questionable...it seems like there's always one of the starters that's significantly better than the rest! haha
@@BabusGameRoom I just meant balanced in the sense that it’s like rock paper scissors, they each have a strength and weakness to each other. Then they all evolve around the same times, have 3 steps, are basic fundamental types, etc.
Of course, that's true! I was just joking going by the other definition of "balanced", haha
I really like what Kalos did with the starters by adding a second "matchup triangle" with the secondary types. Probably the closest we'll get from a deviation from the Grass/Fire/Water triangle. I'd still like a Flying/Fighting/Rock starter triangle though...I can dream...haha
I love how there are two Snorlax in Gen 2 with one being catchable and Red having the other.
That was a great nod to the continuity of the original games!
just proves further that they are not native lol, if they were, how would we have the same amount of snorlax with that 3 years gap? lol, they definitively came from sinnoh
I would love if you did the same type of video with other regions like Johto and Sinnoh, specially because of all the evolutions from other gen pokemons they got, pre evolutions too
Imagine after done, a video just showing the ACTUAL native pokemons of each region, instead of the pokedex, would be very interesting to see
Johto is definitely on the way! =D
@@BabusGameRoom that's something I will for sure see
Great video! You should do this with every region
Thanks so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it! =D
I definitely plan on continuing this as a series!
Personally, I disagree with the "Cubone is Baby Kangaskhan" theory, for two reasons. Baby Kangaskhan are pale, whereas Cubone and Marowak are brown, and also, I'd argue that we know what a grown-up Cubone's head looks like, and it looks like Marowak.
There's my hot take for the week: Marowak does not wear a skull. It just naturally has a smooth, hard, and white head. This is most clear in the shaping of the eyes and nostrils. Marowak's eyesockets are form fitting around the eyes, as opposed to Cubone's visible brown skin behind the open sockets of the skull. Same thing with the nostrils. Cubone has large, hollow nostrils on its skull, while Marowak has tiny holes, likely due to the flexible skin being able to shrink or expand the holes depending on how much air intake is needed. Furthermore, different angles of Marowak's head shows that its lower jaw is connected to the rest of the head, rather than a seperate bone, which means that the joint between skull and jaw is covered in muscle and skin.
My personal theory is that baby Cubones have soft heads, like a human baby, so they wear their mother's skull as protection until their heads harden. Once the hardening happens, it is accompanied by the Cubone going bald, revealing the white skin beneath. As they grow, Marowaks may pass down their mother's skull to their babies, allowing as much as three skull wearing cubones to a litter, if ideal conditions are met. The mother's skull, and two grandmother skulls, passed down from mom and dad's childhood.
Cubone becomes brown when it fuses with attributes of the bones to become ground type...or something.
Or the Cubone is a little older than the babies in the pouches (since mama Kangaskhan is brown).
Counterpoint to Marowak...when Cubone evolves with the skull, that's when the fusion between the skull and the Cubone/Marowak happens! =o
I definitely agree that the skull of Marowak looks like part of its body. But perhaps it's a bit like a Slowpoke situation where the multiple "things" become one unified Pokemon.
The soft head is a plausible idea, but I'm sticking with the Cubone/Kangaskhan theory! haha
Yes! Finally! This video exists! I've had this idea about these 'apparent' Kanto Pokémon's true home for so many years, so glad somebody actually made a video about it.
haha, I'm so glad it's what you've been waiting for! =D
Both Mew and Lugia were planned to be lore only pokemon. The story was supposed that we never knew where Mewtwo came from. His design also got made first before Mew.
Lugia was supposed to be Pokémon X, the female guardian of the seas (or nature?) exclusive to the second movie.
Bonus: I’d say Pokérus is a Johto pokemon :p
Missingno. is originally Kanto in my book as well.
Last note: I do believe there are some pokemon that originated from the Sevii Isles.
My strongest case is Lapras, being a low encounter on Four Island.
It just likes to travel to Johto once a week for… reasons =.=
Very interesting, and great points!
Lugia is the master of the legendary birds from Gen 1 too, right? I guess they must've tossed him in to be a counterpart to Ho-oh so they could put legendaries instead of starters on the boxart of the Gen 2 games!
I love the idea that Pokerus is a Johto Pokemon. I almost forgot it existed! haha
And yeah, Lapras might actually be native to "the oceans", with Sevii Island being the best contender. Maybe the ones in Union Cave just head there to hide out from poachers!
@@BabusGameRoom my personal theory is that a few native Kanto Lapras were successfully poached from Four Island and brought along to Johto, then were released near Union cave after team rocket was ultimately defeated in Johto a few years later.
But isn't Lugia cannonically male (kind of)?
@@MLPIceberg The English movie voice is male, that's all I know.
The original concept for it was to be female and the Lugia in the series also is female with a baby
Mr mime can be native to Kalos as it makes more sense. Mimes are commonly associated with France and they are natively found in the reflection cave along with mime jr (i think)
That's true! For some reason, Game Freak really wanted to introduce Mr. Mime in Sinnoh in Gen 4 though, haha
Kalos is definitely a better place for them. Still, they're in Sinnoh first!
@BabusGameRoom true but it's also important to say that all of these regions in the pokemon world exists simultaneously regardless of their games introduction irl.
omg I love this video soooo much! Please make more like this!
haha, thank you so much! =D
It'll be on its way! =D
Great video! One thing I would disagree with though is the idea that Scyther and Pinsir are placed in the bug catching competition by staff. Namely because this means that the staff would be finding and removing every single one them at the end of each contest. Due to the random nature of finding these bugs, there is no way to guaruntee that you will recapture all of them after each contest, especially since it is an open air park and the pokemon could presumably just leave if they felt like it.
Contrary to what you said, I think it's entirely possible that these pokemon do actually live nearby and come out in response to the bug catching contest, in the same way that raccoons respond to trash bins being put out on garbage day. Scyther and Pinsir might show up specifically because a bunch of humans are chasing bugs out of their hiding spots in the tall grass, kind of like a dog chasing birds out of the brush so a hunter can see them (or maybe they just grab people's lunches that they've left out, like a bear at a campsite).
Thank you; I'm glad you enjoyed it! =D
That's a good point on Scyther and Pinsir. I could see them being domesticated, and returning to captivity by the Park staff, but I'll admit that's a bit of a chance. I didn't mean to suggest that they're WILD, but probably bred in captivity or something. Still, you have a really good point.
I could see them being lured out by some sort of bait being placed by the Park staff. Though I'd still be inclined to suggest that they should be available elsewhere in the wild if they were truly native to the region. Could go either way though!
The ancient times that fossil Pokémon would be from would still likely be over 2K years before the events of Legends Arceus, seeing as Rampardos and Bastiodon are fossil Easter eggs in it.
True legends is too recent. Still a Cranidos Pokédex entry states that it used to fight Aerodactyl in its native jungle around 100 million years ago, likely placing Aerodactyl native to prehistoric Sinnoh/Hisui as well.
Yup! That was a goof on my part, ahaha
That's a really interesting point about Aerodactyl and Cranidos fighting!
@@bobbyman3211 I mean... its mentions Jungle though... which doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Hisui, unless Hisui/Sinnoh in the past were really hot. If all... it might confirm Cranidos might not have been native to Hisui/Sinnoh either, but just that it went extinct there (Heck, maybe Hisui/Sinnoh being colder accelerated their exctinction because they couldn't adapt).
@@nickdentoom1173 Realistically Hisui wouldn't exist 100 million years before present time, since even if we ignore the obvious fact that Johoto,Sinnoh,Kanto,Hoenn = Japan they're all still quite clearly volcanic islands, and those don't stick around for 100 million years. On the other end the closest equivalent, what is now China, was in the Equator 100 to 150 million years ago, so thick jungle is easily possible.
It's very possible that Exeggcute was imported to Alola from Kanto & Johto, given it's a very popular vacation spot. The invasive kanto pokemon within the region also could be evidence for this. Though, they could just be from Exeggutor Island in a sort of Galapagos thing, being isolated from the rest of the world.
That's true! That's why I'm inclined to believe that Exeggcute are from Johto rather than Alola. I feel like Exeggutor Island is another case of an invasive species taking over an area, which seems to be common in Alola.
One thing that's worth noting is that there are at least 4 distinct canons in the main series games(The Original Timeline, The Advanced Timeline, The Mega Timeline, and The Go Timeline)
Citing info from across timelines is bound to cause problems as the very rules of how the world worked change dramatically. Notably, The Original Timeline(sometimes called the Tajiri Canon) takes place in the (mostly) real world, places like France and Guyana and China exist. Real animals also exist and share ancestors with Pokemon. Also Legendaries are just really powerful Pokemon with a lot of Myth around them.
Meanwhile, starting in the Advanced Timeline(Or the Masuda Canon, as he took over in RS and retconned a lot of stuff), the Pokemon world is distinct from our own, real world locations were gradually purged from mention, real animals don't exist, and Legendaries are just straight up gods now.
So if you're taking a 'Gen 1 first' approach from this video, they literally CAN'T be native to places like Hoenn or Galar. Those don't exist in Tajiri Canon. It would be Kyushu or England.
If you ever do a third video I'd suggest diving into the Gen 1 Pokedex book.
Very interesting perspective!
It does make a lot of sense...and I imagine those different canons also capture the distinction in the art styles between Gen 1/2 and Gen 3, for example.
What's the Gen 1 Pokedex book you mentioned? Is that the Japanese one that I got the Porygon info from?
@@BabusGameRoom Yup. Didyouknowgaming got one of the OG translators to translate the full book so you can see it from them.
It’s essentially the series Bible and source of primary canon for Gen1 and 2. It established a ton of things(Nidoqueen being sterile is here, something people wrote off as a bug$
A third video should probably focus on the information the book provides as it is absolutely canon to Gen 1.
(Second fun fact. The retcons made in the move from Tajiri Canon to Masuda Canon also explain some of the weirdness with Jobto. GSC is the ONLY game in which the new Pokemon are newly discovered in universe. In later games they’re portrayed as having always existed and just not been seen by the player. GSC says eggs are being newly discovered and studied, later games contradict this. Johto doesn’t have a true regional dex, it’s the same dex in a better order to reflect changes in knowledge)
I'd have to guess that Nidoqueen being sterile WAS a bug, and it was the job of the book's writers to come up with an explanation...haha
I think I definitely like the ideas of the Taijiri canon better than later canons! haha
@@BabusGameRoom Except the Japanese Pokedex book was published in 1996 alongside the games and was written months earlier. Nidoqueen being sterile wasn't in the game code until the Space World Demo in 1997 over a year later and wasn't in a released game til 1998.
Or if you want a more extreme example, Pokemon shrinking on their own(NOT due to the balls) was in the book, and was in Legends Arceus 25 years later in the games.
There's also stuff like several of the anime only Pokedex entries quoting the book, WestWood from the anime and his grandfather(the guy from the Slowbro episode) being from the book, or FRLG's habitat sorting feature being based on the book.
Like I said, third video should go in with the perspective that nothing past Gen 2 exists and should use stuff like the manuals or that 1996 book for reserve information. Gen 3 was a soft reboot of the series and Masuda's vision was quite different. And if you HAVE to consult something outside of the games and the 1996 books for clarity, don't use the later games, use the Adventures Manga's original Red Green Blue run. Tajiri said that was the closest thing to his original vision.
Except there is only one timeline, due to us getting references to Regions that aren't even in said timelines yet (We get Johto references in the Mega Timeline for example).
You have such a nice and soothing voice. Thank you for the great video!!
haha, thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it! =D
Quick note on Exeggutor, its pokedex entries for its Alolan form in gens 8 and 9 state that it outgrew its psychic abilities and awakened its dragon typing, meaning that you're right, it is not native to Alola like many think, that region is just the best environment for it
Thank you for that!
I've been alerted to one of regular Exeggutor's Gen 3 Pokedex that states it's originally from "the tropics" though, so I think it could go either way now...I'm so conflicted! haha
Isn't the bug catching contest inspired by beetle fighting hobby many Japanese kids in IRL Kyoto take up during the summer(hence Heracross being a thing). That might point to the day specificity for bug catching contest being a game-play abstraction of seasons which aren't a thing in Gen 2.
Pokemon most definitely is inspired by beetle fighting!
That is an interesting hypothesis, though!
I actually kind of miss seasons...but I guess I wouldn't want to have Pokemon locked away every few months either. How many people are done with the newest Pokemon game over the course of a single month? haha
Awesome video, never questioned this kind of thing!
Thank you so much; I'm glad you enjoyed it!
The lore on Mega Aerodactyl as well as the fossil-rich environment of Kalos leads me to believe that he may actually be a Kalos native, perhaps Legends Z-A will shed some light on that, it’s certainly one of the more curious megas
That's a good point; I hadn't considered the Megas!
legends arceus was set like 200 yrs ago why would there be prehistoric pokemon just walking around
ig you might be referring to the space time rifts but even then not rlly solid proof
Oooops. I didn't realize Legends: Arceus was that recent! Thank you for pointing that out, ahaha
@@BabusGameRoom srry came off strong
@@goopystick9867 No worries at all! I didn't find your comment offensive in the slightest. =)
About the starters, can’t they be found in galar’s dlc? Also, they are found in yellow, which is canon, especially since you counted farfetch’d from yellow.
You can catch wild Farfetch'd on route 12 and 13 in Kanto (Pokémon Yellow). The Kanto starters are all gift pokémon. You don't find them in the wild naturally (not counting that radar thing from SM)
Yup, @serenitynow85 got it right!
I'm going by where the Pokemon can be *caught* in the wild, not just obtained, to indicate where a Pokemon is native to. So the starters are always going to be hard to "place"...ahaha
Congratulations on this video exploding!! Love it when that happens to smaller channels! Defo need to continue this series
Thank you so much! =D
I definitely plan on continuing it! Johto is already in the works!
On the fossil pokemon, Crown Tundra's pokedex entry for omanyte is:
"Because some Omanyte manage to escape after being restored or are released into the wild by people, this species is becoming a problem."
So it can be assumed that the reason for their appearance is just because people are reviving them and they're escaping into the wild, where they can breed naturally.
Haha, gotta' love bringing Pokemon back from extinction only for them to become invasive species!
Dismissing the Let's Go games makes this video dumb.
ahaha, they just threw too many wrenches into my hypotheses for me to want to treat them the same as the "real" games
I always find it strange that fans find that Earth and "Pokémon World" must be mutually exclusive. There's nothing stopping the "regions" being a term used to describe a tournament region or a geographical region as opposed to a country name. We know the first 4 regions are parts of Japan, and almost every area in both mainline and spin offs are based off of real places.
Has it been retconned? Maybe. But it stands to reason the geography at the very least is identical to the real world with proportions being changed for the sake of gameplay. Sizes of cities being smaller and population too makes sense considering it's an alternative reality where pokemon exist, and pokemon are going to make it much harder for humans to expand.
the world became the nameless region of Pokemon go, that became canon fairly recently for the mega timeline
That's a great point! I don't know if there's enough evidence in the games (or even the broader Pokemon universe) to say that the Pokemon World and the Real World are the same, even in terms of geography. I could get behind the alternate reality/parallel universe theory, but I get the impression that the writers wouldn't want to "restrict themselves" to real world geography.
I think they've been gradually moving away from real world geography with each generation. I don't think they've ever released an official map of the Pokemon world, but I'd be interested in seeing one if they have! Maybe it's a "we reserve the right to make this more or less like Earth when we decide it fits our needs" sort of situation, lol
Even Pokemon Go has region exclusives (some of which overlap)!
...I guess that makes just about every Pokemon native to this nameless facsimile of Earth...? haha
@@BabusGameRoom it depends on what timeline you consider, it applies only to the mega timeline since pokemon go has mega evolutions
@@BabusGameRoom "I think they've been gradually moving away from real world geography with each generation."
I have to disagree with this, if anything it's the opposite.
Kalos is literally just northern France 1-to-1, even Paris is in th same place. Same goes for Alola, it's just Hawai, the islands even arc in more or less the same direction. Galar is just the map of England flipped upside down. Paldea is weird in that Galicia became a lak and Madrid a crater, but otherwise? It's petty much the Iberian peninsula. Hell Paldea has got the second-most blatant example of 'its just the real world' in a city, with the city of Porto being Porto Marinada and being located in exactly the same place, only beaten out by Kitakami, named after Kitakami and looking a whole lot like Kitakami.
I'd say its definitely a "Its our world unless it gets in the way of our map building" situation. But Kalos and Alola are particularly egregious examples, IMO, anyone who's ever looked at a map before can tell 'that's just France'.
Gen 2 introduced baby Pokémon. So if the idea was for Cubone to be a baby Kangaskhan, they probably would have introduced it then. Additionally, Kangaskhan is normal type, while Cubone and Marrowak are ground types. That, along with all the Pikachu clones we’ve seen, and convergent evolution species from Paldea lead me to believe that they aren’t related.
My headcannon for Cubone’s skull helmet has been that it’s a naturally occurring horn that covers the head. It’s a part of their biology, hence why they all have it, even while both parents still live. Especially since the skull helmet changes shape and size when evolving, as well as allowing Cubone’s own skull to fit inside it.
The bone is likely just a random bone gifted to the child so they can protect themselves, as many reptiles have a very hands off approach to parenting. It could also be why the helmet-horn would be mistaken for a separate skull.
Kangaskhan is strange indeed. A pokemon that carries the baby version of itself in its pouch - it hatches from the egg like that when you breed one.
So many mechanics introduced in Gen 2 that weren't even considered in Gen 1...now we have all these oddities! haha
For Eevee, we have to remember that Black and White 2 are after the great emigration of Pokémon. The first Black and White had only Unova Pokémon until the post-game, but the sequels opened the door to have a lot more past-Gen Pokémon available. So Eevee’s origin might actually be traced to Hisui, where it can be caught in the wild.
You're definitely right that it's probably not native to Unova! Kalos is where it's first infinitely catchable by generation, but Hisui might be the first chronological region!
Wow, i appreciate that you're responding so well to all of the comments on the video! There's a lot of great discussion happening down here.
With the points people are making about Eevee - I think i would actually put it down not as "native to a region", but instead a "domesticated pokemon" that people carry around with them from region to region.
Whenever we see eevee in the wild, it seems as though they're feral creatures that have escaped, and there's someone nearby who's breeding them: ie. in Legends: Arceus, we see eevee being taken care of by both the Diamand and Pearl clans, as both Adaman and Irida use them.
The Eevee from the gen 1 games specifically is pretty clearly descended from Johtonian eevee though, brought over by Bill with his Kimono Girl family connections!
Thank you! I do my best! haha
I think once we start considering "domesticated Pokemon", things get really complicated. I could see it easily applying to every Starter Pokemon though (which includes Eevee!), at least the ones that aren't common in the wild.
I don't imagine I'd have much luck placing ANY of the starter Pokemon to any region in the wild. I remember thinking that Game Freak was going to go in that direction with future games after Gen 2, but instead it just made them more elusive than ever. You'd think with shiny and perfect-IV starters being so popular, they'd be out there in the wild with all the rejects being released...
In fire red and leaf green, if you fail to catch a snorlax, after the battle ends, it says that it “gives a huge yawn and returns to the mountains”.
Given that the only mountainous areas in Kanto are in the north (mt moon, victory road, rock tunnel, and technically mt silver) and Sinnoh is canonically at least northwest of Kanto via the sinjoh ruins map, it would make sense that it originated from there
I think the same happens in the original, too!
I've always thought that a cross-regional trek would be too long of a journey for an injured Snorlax...but who knows! haha
I do love this idea of determining the true origin of pokemon that show up in each generation that are not actually catchable in the wild. I kinda played around with the idea of doing it myself but never really sat down to actually do it.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! It does take a surprising amount of research, haha
(and judging by a lot of the comments, it's still easy to miss things or come to controversial conclusions! haha)
Here is an idea for Mr. Mime: It's native to Kanto, but like real-life-birds migrates during certain seasons. During Gen 1, it's a season where it's gone, during Gen 2, it's a season where it's there.
UNLESS you want to claim it migrates to Sinnoh to breed (explaining why its pre-evolutions are there, but not in Kanto during Gen 2), making it technically a native to both, or to only Sinnoh. Depending how you want to see "native".
Yeah, that's a great point! When we start considering migrations, things start making a bit of sense for some of those weird Pokemon like Mr. Mime.
On the topic of Exeggutor, coconuts have actually been known to migrate by simply drifting off into the ocean and washing up on foreign shores.
I've learned so much about coconuts just from making this video!
About Eevee, its actually NOT native to Unova at all, its explocitly stated that the changes in the encounters in Unova in B2W2 were actually due to the activities of Team Plasma in the first game + pokemon fleeing from the transfer lab ( which is why the post game routes 12-15 were infested with non Unova pokemon in BW despite the main region not having them, the idea is that those pokemon have fled the transfer lab which is located around route 14, and during the 2 year timespan those invasive pokemon spread out throughout the region ) , this means that Eevee ( along with the other B2W2 additions ) are actually INVASIVE species to Unova and not native
You're definitely right about Eevee! Thank you for that; I'd forgotten that bit of dialogue in B2W2
Mew being possibly Jhoto feels like a butterfly effect
I think the series is just full of butterfly effects, haha
When BW came out I noticed that Riolu can be caught in Unova, but you only get one as a gift in Sinnoh. Kanto isn't the only region that has non-native Pokemon.
Kanto definitely isn't the only region! Johto might even be a bit worse...haha
Sure, but i don't think Riolu is native to Unova either, i think its more likely native to Kalos, considering it seems Lucario is one of the first Mega Evolutions to be discovered.
I've been waiting for this all year
I'm glad it found its way to you! =D haha
Ditto was actually the first attempt at creating Mewtwo. The evidence of this is that Mew also has the power to transform. it's molecular structure is unstable because of mew's DNA. But that's my theory.
Yes!! The "Ditto as a failed clone of Mewtwo" theory is my second favourite Pokemon fan theory (behind the Cubone is Baby Kangaskhan theory, of course)!
On the note of scyther and pinsir appearing only during the bug-catching contest, Canalave Library has an ancient Sinnoh myth that has a corresponding myth in Legends Arceus called "Sinnoh Region's Mythology", which offers an explanation that pokemon appear in tall grass because they want to help humans. In the anime (which is a different canon, but can be used to make inferences at times), this is supported, with them stating at one point that wild pokemon appear before trainers because they want to be caught or are jealous of trainer's pokemon, and the catching process is a test to see if the trainer is worthy of it.
I think this can offer a good explanation of why scyther and pinsir only appear during a bug-catching contest - they *do* actually notice all of the trainers out and about catching bug pokemon all at once, and leap out to try to be caught by ones that can prove that they're worth being able to train them.
Interesting point! Of course, mythology doesn't mean that it's true. But maybe those Scyther would just rather help CoolTrainer Nick than me win the Sun Stone...
@@BabusGameRoom He is quite cool, after all.
For Exeggcute, you forget that Humans could have easily taken Exeggcute from Alola to Kanto, and after the Safari Zone shut down, a rogue population made it's way over to Johto where they managed to take hold in the wild.
That's a good point! I was trying to think about how the Pokemon could get around without human interference, but even in the real world, plenty of animals are spread across the world thanks to human activities.
Ooh, this is fun to think about. My personal theory for Aerodactyl is that it may have actually been native to ancient Kalos, for a couple reasons! It's the only region except Johto where you can find Old Amber naturally. You find it in Glittering Cave, where researchers from Ambrette Town's fossil lab dig for fossils. The other big one is that the Pokedex implies that Mega Aerodactyl is actually much closer, if not identical, to Aerodactyl's original living form, pre-fossilization. That's interesting to me. Because Mega Evolution is so closely tied to Kalos, and the amber is easier to find in the natural environment here than anywhere else, I think this area was its home.
In HGSS, you can actually find Old Amber in the Ruins of Alph, where there are also slide puzzles featuring the Kanto fossils. It might be possible that the amber was brought there by whoever built the ruins, but there could've been a small population of Aerodactyl around ancient Johto, or maybe they just migrated sometimes. The fact that it only becomes available in Sinnoh during the postgame actually makes me think Dialga + Palkia did some timespace shenanigans or something :p
That's a great point! I hadn't considered Megas when writing the script for this video! haha
I could definitely subscribe to the Dialga/Palkia shenanigans to explain post-game Sinnoh stuff...especially fossils, haha
From what I remember the Crown Tundra DLC for Sword and Shield implied that the new forms of Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres are actually their original forms, and the Kanto ones are forms that were result of adaptation after migrating
Oh dear...why do they keep introducing "original" and "true" forms?! haha
when I comes to the starters its confirmed that they once were common in the regions but overtime have gone effectively extinct in the wild
You'd think the masses of breed/releasing starters from people shiny or IV hunting would've helped their populations increase! haha
A common mistake people tend to make: “Gen 2 equals Johto” or “Gen 4 equals Sinnoh”.
Coming from Gen 2 or 4 does not automatically mean they’re Johto Pokemon (appearing in Kanto) or Sinnoh Pokémon (evolutions of Pokémon from other regions).
That's the whole point of the video! It does seem to be how Game Freak describes Pokemon that get new forms. Consider Kantonian Mr. Mime (not catchable in Kanto until Gen 2, and then not again until Sinnoh and Kalos), or Kantonian Rattata (also native to Johto (and perhaps other regions)). So I was just going off of that.
absolutely need you to do this for every Region!
It's in the works!! =D
"These eggs are huge, birds wouldn't carry them across the sea." But, the birds are huge.
It's not something they'd do accidentally (as with the kinds of seeds that get stuck to animals). They'd have to purposely want to plant them or something, haha
@@BabusGameRoom Food, takeout.
I love this topic and it’s something I’ve done a bit of looking into myself. The newer games such as Galar and Paldea certainly make it more challenging, with the open design of those regions the spawns feel like everything but the kitchen sink.
Starters are native to their respective regions, in captive breeding for the purpose of being a starter. I personally consider LGPE cannon, and Bulbasaur would naturally be found in areas such as Viridian Forest, just were not in the spawn tables in Gen 1 to make the starters feel special. I think they would work as a rare spawn.
Farfetch’d I’d argue for Johto. It is catchable in Kanto in Yellow but like LGPE, the canonicity is up to debate. Yellow is based on the anime with Pikachu being the starter and cameos of Jesse and James, not quite the same Kanto we explore during R/B/G. Given the proximity of Kanto and Johto, I could see them being available in Kanto before and going extinct or endangered by the time of the games but I’m still going with Johto.
I agree with Exeggcutor. Johto being the native region thus far and just so happens to do better in a climate like Alola, we know Johtoians have established routes and settlements with the Alola region. I don’t disagree with them being able to act like real life Coconuts and float/raft between regions but if that’s the case then why don’t we see them in other regions like Kanto, Hoenn and the Sevii islands?
Tyrogue & Co. I can see Galar but I don’t dismiss the PokeRadar. It’s a tool to help find Pokemon, they could be rare but still be native. I could go either way, even both regions on this one. I think due to their origin, an Asian region makes more sense and like I mentioned I have problems with Galars spawns.
Rhyhorn like Farfetch’d I’m not counting yellow. Which would put it in Sinnoh going by first appearances in games.
Kangaskhan I don’t believe are Kanto Pokemon. I believe the population in Rock Tunnel is from the Safari Zone after it’s closure and Rock Tunnel was the most habitable place for them in Kanto. Their appearance in Unova were escapes from the PokeTransfer. Kalos would be the next one, they feel a bit weird there only being found in that cave and not found in surrounding routes or regions (Paldea). Alola feels more like a home at-least from what we’ve seen so far.
Mr. Mime I believe is.. Going by the game spawns Sinnoh. I believe the population on Route 21 is from Team Rocket importing them to the Game Corner in Celadon and a ship being shipwrecked causing some of the pokemon to be found there. It would’ve been awesome to have an explorable shipwreck and show Team Rocket was importing those pokemon but that's just my head cannon at this point. The argument can be made for Kalos with the french inspiration and reflection cave but say they are imported, Sinnoh is much closer then Kalos.
I feel like Scyther and Pinsir fit better in Alola but I can get behind Sinnoh. If not both, the first appearance is Sinnoh but pokemon can be native to multiple regions.
Jynx is Kanto and Johto at-least. But if you want to go by first appearance then Kanto.
Agreed with Tauros and Johto.
See in the comments you agreed to Lapras just being a worldwide sea pokemon and I agree.
Eevee is Kalos as I’ve seen you agree in the comments, but also in the route you can find it you can also find all the evolution stones iirc so it makes it a perfect place.
Agree with Aerodactyl though possibly its range was also in Kanto and Johto. Same with Snorlax, especially since it’s also found in Kitakami which, based on the real life geography, would be between Kanto/Johto and Sinnoh.
Yes to Dratini in Johto.
Mew though I would say Lapras is a worldwide pokemon. Faraway island (Guyana-adjacent?) is it’s “home” that we’ve seen so far in games though.
Awaiting your Johto upload now to compare notes.
Galar and Paldea are almost double-edged swords for this topic. They have Pokemon from so many earlier gens wandering around...but they could end up being the "native home" for some of them simply because they make so many Pokemon available during the main story. That's how Tyrogue finally found his home! haha
I've always wanted the starters to be catchable in the wild, whether it's post-game areas or in later gens. It bothers me how they're exclusive to the professors! lol
I've gotta say though, taking LGPE as canon but not Yellow is a bold stance! haha
I know Yellow tried to make things more in-line with the anime, but making Pokemon like Farfetch'd and Lickitung more available was more of a gameplay-focused change than an anime-inspired one. I believe Japanese Blue came well before Yellow, and allowed players to catch most of the previous "non-native" trade exclusives, and then Yellow added a few more. The only trade exclusive missing was Mr. Mime, which could've been planned to be "made wild" in Pokemon Pink or something if G/S had to get delayed or something. But this is all just wild guessing! lol
It's fun how many different conclusions different people can come to. In some ways, that's the beauty of having a bit of an inconsistent mess of a world! ahaha
Johto is definitely on the way, and I look forward to discussing all the..."quirks" of the region! lol
The thing with Mew being from Guyana is that the Gen 1 games were pretty firmly intended to be set in the real world, just a version of the real world with Pokemon in it. Even though future regions are fictional places (albeit based on real ones), the name "Kanto" is just a real region of Japan. The Pokedex also mentions African elephants.
If you wanted to be more complaint to the modern canon, you could assume Mew is from some region based on South America. But taking the Gen 1 games as they are, it makes perfect sense for Mew to be from the real world because...well, ALL Pokemon are from the real world. They hadn't yet set the precedent that the world of Pokemon is more of a secondary world fantasy, rather than an alternate history with monsters.
Definitely agree there! I think the "Faraway Island" is supposed to be an island off of Guyana.
It's fun how Pokemon were originally intended to be in the real world, but they changed their minds at some point
Hisui is ancient Sinnoh, but we're using ancient very broadly here. Being revived feom fossils means fossil pokemon are more than ancient; they're prehistoric. Areodacytal being from ancient Sinnoh, or ancient Hisui if you prefer, is a perfectly valid interpretation.
Also mosquitos aren't exactly known for long distance endurance flying. (Remember, they can't have digested the blood yet if usable DNA is being gained from it) So I think that doesn't really throw a wrench in anything.
Yeah, the Aerodactyl/Legends: Arceus thing was definitely a goof on my part, haha
And good point about the mosquito! I still wish we had a mosquito Pokemon..
All of this seems legit except for Aerodactyl and Exeggutor.
It's personally my theory that Aerodactyl is a Kalos pokemon because pokedex (In Ultra Moon specifically) mentions that mega aerodactyl is its full, original, prehistoric form, suggesting that it originally lived somewhere where mega energy was naturally abounding, placing it in either Kalos or Alola. I chose Kalos because its the only place where this energy was naturally before the ultimate weapon was fired and the mega stones crystallized.
And for Exeggutor, I feel Alolan Egg is definitely the original and it's an invasive species to Kanto since it doesn't grow properly there, like some palm trees moved to non-native areas. Now as for who moved them there... Lillie does go on a training arc in Kanto and the main characters of Sun and Moon are also from Kanto so it's pretty easy to assume the two regions are connected and in good standing due to the easy immigration between the two. Alolans likely brought some over during whatever connecting event these two regions had and they grew weirdly in the wild.
Those are my theories anyway based on the lore and politics of the world.
That's true! I hadn't considered the Mega forms of anything!
It's hard to say whether Alolan Exeggutor feels like a retcon or not. It doesn't seem like it was the intention from the start, but there are references to Exeggutor being from "the tropics" as early as Gen 3.
Too add to your Aerodactyl point regarding Kalos and Alola - in Kalos you can find Aerodactyls fossil in Glittering Cave. You cannot obtain Aerodactyl in the Alola Games (You cannot even buy it from Olivia's shop, while you can buy the other fossils).
A fun theory for you: Giovanni is a ground type gym leader who has a kangaskhan in a few of his fights. But kangaskhan is a normal type pokemon. If we follow the cubone theory, a baby kangaskhan without a mother becomes a ground type, not a normal type, as it becomes cubone. Perhaps Giovanni was attempting to play God and artificially create a ground type kangaskhan for his gym team. He has also never used a marowack ever, either because they hate team rocket or because he deems them as failed experiments. It also falls in line with how team rocket has artificially created Mewtwo and porygon. It's their MO to meddle with that stuff. And then what you said about their return in the wild after 3 years fits perfectly.
Also I think Mr. Mime has to be a sinnoh pokemon. It exists in Hisui, which would have had very little chance to import them in that era. Also, since Mime Jr. originates in Sinnoh, same as munchlax and bonsly (who's evolutions share a theme of unique overworld encounters), I think it tracks that all 3 lines would be native to sinnoh, and are regularly breeding in the wild to create those babies. The light pile of mimes in Kanto are probably just the effects of an invasive species after being introduced to the region via trade 3 years prior.
Oooooh, great point on Kangaskhan! Maybe it could've also been a symbol of his underlying love for Pokemon (at least his own)...Cubone may be natural (and Ground type), and he managed to evolve a Cubone into a full-fledged Kangaskhan. ...or something. But you bring up a great point I hadn't considered!