THIS TINY VR BLOWS MY MIND! - Bigscreen Beyond
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- Comfort is a significant issue holding many gamers and Sim Racers back from committing to VR. And while VR offers an extremely immersive visual experience, the reality is that other factors such as comfort and workflow can easily outweigh the benefits of VR. But you only need to take one look at the Bigscreen Beyond VR Headset to see that many of those issues have been addressed.
With each unit custom-built to your face, the incredibly small and lightweight design of the Bigscreen Beyond unlocks a potential for VR that I haven’t seen before. Add to that its ease of use and simple workflow, and you’ve got what I think is one of the most exciting bits of gamer hardware of 2023.
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#bigscreen #vr #simracing - Hry
Seeing previews of headsets with huge FOVs with small optical elements gives me hope that a BSB style headset with 120 degrees or more will be incoming in the next couple of years. Hopefully in time for the 5xxx series of gpus.
I appreciate the very thorough impression you gave here. I am also a dad with very little time to game and this is a big reason why I wanted a native steamvr headset to replace my index.
This is exciting for vr in general. The size of the headset can be a big deterrent for a lot of people, plus all the adjustments. Very nice coverage, answered all my questions. I'm interested to see how long they last before any failures.
Yeah i ended up hating my HP reverb because it felt so heavy that i hardly moved my head while sim racing, kinda defeating the purpose of it
@@ChrisPBacon9 I replaced my Reverb G2 with a Pico 4 because it felt too heavy. Front shaked too much. And the cable was a nightmare.
I think this Bigscreen Beyond is just too expensive. Specs are pretty impressive for sure, but there's some pretty major downsides even other than the high price. I think rather than pushing specs, PC VR headsset makers should be pushing for the best specs they can make in an affordable headset that can be bought for no more than $500. Maybe up to $600-$700 for a premium version of it. Have it come with everything it needs like controllers so that people aren't forced to buy extra stuff to get a halfway decent experience. It's pretty much an unfilled hole in the market. Can't say I understand why no one even seems to bother trying to go for it.
One grand?
You know what else can be a big deterrent factor for a lot of people? The price. If you have some DIY skills, you can build a pretty decent and complete sim rig for the money that this thing costs with all the accessories to make it work . 20NM DIY MIGE direct drive wheelbase. Sim Jack pedals with Heusinkveld upgrade kit. DIY Aluminum profile frame. used Occulus Rift S. Used seat and a steering wheel of your choice up to $250.
Transparent, communicative, honest, thorough. Amazing review.
I concur!
The prescription lenses are available for $79US plus shipping.
Really?
As someone who wears glasses I have avoided VR as it is very uncomfortable and simply could not wear them for long enough to be viable for me at least.
Never knew they could make prescription lenses. I wonder if there available in the UK as well?
@@lordomacron3719 they ship world wide
@@lordomacron3719yes world wide. But for order outside of USA, you'll have to wait until Q4.
@@lordomacron3719there have been third party ones you could buy for the Index but they’re a bit lackluster. The implementation on the Beyond looks proper delightful though. They clearly designed these from the ground up with this in mind ❤
@@lordomacron3719 they make them for every headset third-party, I’ve had quite a number of headsets that I’ve had VR lenses for, shop around definitely don’t buy the first ones that you see, but I would definitely go first party if I could so I’m glad that big screen is doing it themselves instead of relying on the third-party is being able to fill that void
Been waiting for this! 😊
I'm really glad you got your hands on this headset!
Looking forward to getting mine in September and very much hope I have the same reaction as you did!
I have an Aero now which looks great, but it is heavy and does move around on me in Rally with my motion system.
Great review Will! I think the bit for me that says it all is the fact that you raced for three hours and made yourself stop vs only managing 45 minutes in other headsets. You can have the best visuals and features in the world but it's not much good if you don't enjoy using the device..!
Just a note on the resale prospects of the Beyond - Bigscreen will be making face gaskets available for sale as a separate item. So you'd just be buying/selling the device with it's fixed IPD which is no different to a pair of shoes for example. You find your size, you buy your size.
Simracing in sunglasses 😎
This is brilliant! …to hear a sim racer’s perspective. I preordered one months ago (I am usually very against preordering as a concept) and it’s reassuring to see that your impressions align with the other early previews from Tested, thrillseeker, etc.
It’s also great to hear that it’s plug and play and works fine with iRacing out of the box.
Bigscreen previously assured us that it does work with iRacing OOTB, but it’s good to see real-world verification of this; I reckon you are the first to upload footage of this headset working in iRacing instead of ACC.
As a Valve Index user my aching neck muscles can’t wait to try this headset.
Big step forward to making these more compact. Can't wait for the days where it's effectively a pair of sunglasses.
Great review. We have about the same problems when it comes to VR so I really appreciate it.
Its great to see new players entering the scene. The custome sizing is not for me but I'll look forward to their next one maybe if its a bit more universal. The rest of it looks perfect. I have zero interest in wireless and self powered models that seem to be the trend because I couldn't care less about beatsabre or vr chat. I just want the best quality for seated VR for flight and driving sims.
It seems like too many manufacturers are trying to make these things be the next big thing that will replace phones or laptops but that's a highly dubious future in my opinion.
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Yep I like it but quality is all I want now. For me I'm done getting headsets until we get atleast 60ppd and 120⁰fov and decent framerate. It's headed that way but still years away from an affordable unit. I don't care about size too much or having a cable, as I'm a seated sim guy.
@@voongnzI do care about size and weight quite a lot actually. I play a lot of air combat games and Having your headset Flying across your face because you moved too quickly is a big deal breaker for me.
For the rest I agree, I don't care about VR chat, Eyes tracking and whatnots.
I want a headset that does one thing and does it well. And the beyond is currently the only thing I comed across that fills my needs perfectly.
Depends but as you said, it is great to see new players entering.... and I have used bigscreen application on Steam with my old VR HTC Vive system, so I was kinda, happy to see "they" actually go to have the hardware also soon available. Interesting times I would say. Cheers...
That screen door vfx shot was a nice touch when you were talking about that, nice : )
I agree, even though the whole time it was triggering my OCD. I was like "OK, he's made his point so it's gonna go away now, right? ... Please?? OH GOD PUT THE SDE AWAY AAAAA"
Finally!!! A VR headset that is lighter than my original Oculus Rift CV1. I do 3 to 6 hour endurances (with LFM) in VR, so weight is why I still use the CV1.
The Bigscreen application itself has always blown me away. So fun watching movies and shows with other people in a huge movie theater in VR. Definitely check it out, if you like that sort of thing.
Except when it doesn't work for some reason and the guy says it is not working because you've been banned, which he did multiple times, even tho the person never had an account before. He even stated to a few guys on reddit that they don't have a ban , but they still can't use the software. Genius. Can't figure out his own software and says people are banned... but can't explain why they are banned.
@JonIceInternational Hmm, that sucks, never had an issue with mine over the years I've used it.
Ima have to get one as well, looks like an awesome VR headset, thanks for the great review :)
that onboard audio sounds incredible.
This with a motion sim/bass shaker is as close to real life you can get. You should do a video with your motion rig and this impressions.
Awesome review. This is a VR set to be on the lookout for. Seem like its suitable just for SIM Racers. Thank you for the awesome review!
It is designed to be a drop in replacement for the index. So you can do any VR with this.
It will be ultimate headset for room scale when you are in fps games and whipping your head around. The lack of weight will be a HUGE deal for that. My Aero is always moving around my face. It's very sharp, but it's frequently moving on my face and that is very distracting. Having a headset that I forget I'm wearing will be a huge immersion boost.
And for Rally combined with my motion system, I will love having a headset that stays put.
That's sick having a custom fit almost wants me to get into VR. Mate of mine has the Pimax 8k, I tried it and like you the screen door effect is a big thing for me just blurry even when adjusted. VR gets close to being where it should be every year but it's still a few years away for me it's too hard to come from a G9 clarity at 240hz 👌
There’s a lot of good things being said about this HMD from VR content creators who have had early access. I think the Quest3 will be the best affordable all rounder, if you don’t only sim race, but to have an OLED based PCVR headset that’s this light that connects to the display port is going to be a whole lot better than the Quest3, especially for sim racing or flight sims. It’s seriously tempting because it is so unique and doesn’t follow the trend.
I haven't tried VR yet for the same reason as you, Will. Ill happily wait for more clarity in the meantime. 👍🏁
I bought a valve Index exclusively for sim racing, and I hated how heavy and uncomfrotable it was, also, how annoying it was to have to adjust it middle race if you lost the sweetspot. Something in a small package with high resolution and refresh rate is what I'm waiting for. This is def a step in the right direction XD
I bought oculus quest 2 for my son and tried it on the rig, ever since then I’ve refused to put it back on again. But this is definitely starting to look interesting even for me!
@@edwardblom4201why didn't you like the quest 2?
well if you found index uncomfortable then the rest of headsets out on the market would probably be even worse lol besides bigscreen beyond
@@lacedchemist1295 I couldn't make it feel comfortable, and it was too blurry for me. Hard to really put my words on exact what I disliked with it, but I prefer my triples far more than the Oculus... but with that being said, I still understand where the people shouting for VR coming from, because it is for sure a great experience, if only it was a little sharper and more comfortable I would be interested. But I also like to see my hands, the buttons on my steering wheel etc.
@@Eskoxo yep. I decided VR is just not here yet. Still early technology.
They are gonna sell custom gaskets for subsequent buyers, so within the margin of a cpl mm above or below your particular headsets fixed IPD, you can *absolutely* resell this. Like shoes, the more mainstream your size on the IPD bell curve, the more folks your headset can fit. That said, I intend to use this until it breaks - Index was the go to for ... 4 years?
I'm still rocking a Vive pro simply because of the wireless adapter. It is such a game changer and if this headset gets a wireless adapter I'm all over it. Once you've been wireless for a bit, it was very difficult to go back to pulling a cable around.
Banger review as always
I was wondering when this would pop up on your feed..and here it is!
Very nice touch there Will, when you showed SDE, when talking about SDE :)
I was hesitant to get this - a bit pricey and there’s a 2-3 month lead time, but this confirmed it’s the right decision. Can’t wait!
Before I sold off all of my SIM stuff I solely ran the reverb, I believe that all the problems I had and how hot is ran made it super easy to give up and sell everything.
.I know its unrelated to the 'sim racing' topic but I must say over the years, I love your choice of DnB! top notch!
oouuuweeee that's a nice looking headset
Good review Will. Thanks :)
Exciting video. I might have missed it but what 2 base stations and stands do you recommend? Any light you could provide would be greatly appreciated.
Was waiting to see when this was going to show up on here!
6hrs most i've done in one session with the PIMAX 8Kx. Always a good upgrade is to change the head strap to the vive makes a massive difference
Hey thanks a lot for this review. How about fog on the lens? I do sometimes have trouble beneath my current headset within a heat up race
I wonder if I would be happy with the BigScreen Beyond. I've used the Reverb G2 for 3 months, and then I switched to triples. The reasons I switched were:
• After a session with the G2, I'd always come out of it feeling dazed like I just woke up (however, I run 27s just behind the wheel, and it's only a little bit better, so it might be the adrenaline of racing).
• I hated that I often needed to take it on and off. Not all the time, but often enough, even tho I used vocal commands to show the desktop in VR so I could interact with it that way.
• Even with an RTX4090 and an i7, I needed to do a lot of tweaking with the graphics and do some compromizes, like lowering some settings, and the most annoying thing was the aliasing.
Reasons I'm happy with the triples now include:
• Easier and faster to start the computer and get driving
• After the initial "everything is flat" shock, I adjusted quickly and even tho the stereoscopic vision of VR is amazing, your brain adapts to the flat world.
• I don't need to get the headset on and off
• I can max out the graphics with my triple 1440p screens, and it looks AMAZING
Now, with the BigScreen Beyond, I feel that the following things will change or will not change:
• I'll still need to get it on and off, but now with the added complexity of having to get my over-the-head headphones on and off too
• I'll probably still feel dazed, but not so much (because it's a lot lighter and I assume it doesn't get as warm)
• I'll still need to lower the graphics, but hopefully the aliasing won't be as bad due to the higher PPD compared to the G2?
Will, would you mind sharing your thoughts? I know you're busy but you're one of the most qualified people to share an opinion on this. Thanks!
Thanks!
great review cheers!
As someone who runs endurance racing in a G2, I love this product, but man, that price…
And the price only increases as I don’t have any lighthouses….
600$ extra for just like 2 base stations and controllers which are needed to be able to do the setup right? I don't know why it requires base stations just for head tracking.
@@caseyrybak I already own an Index so I have everything and haven't tried to skip setup without using controllers, but I think you can get away with just 1 base station (I've played Sim racing sometimes with just one powered on, no issues) and no controllers if you want to use it exclusively for simracing.
@@caseyrybak Headsets that track themselves have cameras on them. The Bigscreen Beyond has sensors that the lighthouses can see, then the computer uses that info for tracking. The sensors on their own are not capable of tracking themselves.
@@victormaniaci2104 That put the price right at pimax crystal territory to be honest....
im so happy you like it which is a relieve as I pre-ordered it a few weeks ago after using a Valve index for 4 years. great review thank you.
Alright talk to me. How is it?
@@Wiserone123 recently I change my triple 32s to triple 55s and it's been so amazingly immersive as the bigscreen beyond took so long to be delivered.. I only got the Bigscreen 2 days ago in Sydney Australia. It's definitely extremely sharp but I think it has quite a small sweet spot and not the brightest. You can turn it up to 150% and is much better. FOV is much more narrow then the index and kinda feels like you're looking through a helmet ... I think I've now been spoilt by the big 55inch TVs being so bright and the view being beyond 180 degree. Im going use it for a little bit and decide if I really want to keep them. I think the main problems I have is the FOV and the small sweet spot.
Nice video, thanks! Learned about this headset via Steam by following bigscreen. Used their app. with my old HTC Vive. I like the review of this. Most likely cannot affort it with all the things I probably would need (like a new PC...) but, can always dream heh. and check good reviews. Cheers...
🎉🎉 thanks Will 🎉🎉. Im on the HP reverb g2 (they are kinda of bad to be pressing win key+Y each time connected and leaving rhe windows vr app open) but definitely would like a small sized one ❤❤❤❤
Considering the aero is now the exact same price, would you still go for BSB?
It seems other than comfort, aero has the edge with foveated rendering and a few other things. And in the aero review you seemed to still love the comfort of it so would definitely appreciate some feedback! Going to order one after 😄
Great review! Looking forward to upgrading from my Index and replaying Alyx and more MSFS. I’m especially hoping that the higher res will allow me to see the aircraft instruments more clearly than the Index
i use that resolution with my current setup and youll notice a difference. In particular the instruments will be very clear. Landscape is where clearness falls off some.
@@justinhogue9861 if I can see the instruments clearly I’ll be super happy!
this is the first vr headset that starts to look like something i would want.
eye tracking and fov rendering is a MUST imo... it is such a big boost to performance and lowers cost of PC requirements
I think Bigscreen Beyond did something better.
What they did was work with Valve so that their headset has native support and doesn't require the extra overhead of compositor that adds latency. Doing that makes it more efficient in all titles out of the box without configuring anything extra.
The Vive, Crystal, Aero, etc all have a custom compositor. The BSB runs natively like an Index.
The main problem with dynamic foveated rendering is that it requires a custom hook to be written between OpenXR and the native SDK of each headset for every title. There is a guy who is giving of his time to do this and we all appreciate his efforts. But the fact remains that this feature only works for a few titles. For the titles that do have support you have to download a separate plugin for each title that you have to install and then configure assuming it exists. I've done this for my Aero and it is doable, but only for a few titles that are supported and it is an extra piece of software to periodically update.
‘IF’ the micro Oled 75hz genuinely feels like 90 hz , as many reviewers are saying , then this will offset the lack of dynamic foviated rendering.
@@charzy11 The reason you hear that is because the microOLED response time is about 0.1ms vs. 1.5ms. I've heard that 75 feels like 90 comment from a few people now, but will need to see it for myself.
Damn, I want one
fantastic mate 👌where is the cheapest place to get v2 base stations from in Australia Will?
Hey Will, do you need to buy the remotes too or just the base stations to run sim racing? Thx
beautiful video I will definitely buy them could you make a video on how to set everything up with ACC thank you very much for your time
One thing I didn’t see you talk about is graphic settings in game, and if you were able to hold a solid 90 fps. Would be awesome to know! I have similar pc specs so that would be nice information to know:)
Hey will, I think they should make the molds for the face sold separately where you can get a scan made and buy just the mold. For example if my girlfriend wants to play as much as me we could have two molds and switch them when she would want to play. This would make it more versatile
They are planning to add that ability after they start shipping.
the issue is in addition to custom masks, they customize to your specific pupil distance, the reviewer said other people tried his and it was blurry
I'm a 3D Blu Ray enthusiast and have been intrigued by VR cinema and its 3D playback abilities. I've been trying to get the home theater tech guys to start reviewing VR since terms like OLED and refresh rate are considered. They haven't bitten, but I'm very glad to see they get your stringent seal of approval for gaming. Make sure you see a 3D movie like Avatar 2 or Pacific Rim on those BigScreen Beyond glasses. You won't be disappointed.
Isn't watching a movie in VR just 2d, the environment is 3d but the actual movie on the screen is 2d?
@@DDuck777It's like seeing a 3D film in the cinema. So yes it is protected on a flat screen, but there are 3D effects. And in VR those effects aren't compromised by the quality of the glasses they give you at the cinema.
I use my VR headset for watching films as much as playing games. It's your own personal cinema. Screen as big as you like. You can watch films you missed in the cinema and get that cinematic experience. Too young to have seen Godfather or Star Wars in the cinema? Too busy to catch Avatar? Well now you can!
@@justpostedagain Thanks I need to give it a try.😎
@@DDuck777 you really do. It's a game changer.
@@DDuck777 Quest 2 is all you need, by the way. $1500 headset is not needed and it's nice not to need a wire like with the Bigscreen. My Quest 2 is my portable cinema that I take on holiday.
was it the hp reverb g1 or g2 that gave you the screen door effect. im looking at getting the g2 v2 for sim racing
Been thinking about getting this for a while. The black levels on my Aero annoy me.
Can you tell me if you can see the colours on the edges change slightly? If so is it something you notice while playing or something you have to look for.
I've played games on 3D monitors, both with Nvidia's 3D Vision system and with LG's passive interlaced display. I love the stereoscopic effect. I would potentially also love a headset version of a stereoscopic flat panel 3d display that doesn't suffer from the darkness of shutter glasses or the lower resolution of the passive interlaced ones. I don't need the whole world in front of me to be 3D - I just want to experience that stereoscopic viewpoint and use my mouse/keyboard/wheel as I would with a flat panel. Seems like that would be easier and with no screendoor if it were approached that way.
My Rift S with an aftermarket cushion is still the best VR headset for sim racing in VR for longevity and reliability
I keep seeing a lot of reviewers speak about the glare on the screen, this is worrying, its been the first thing a lot of people have mentioned. As someone who returned his pico 4 because of screen glare this is a dealbreaker. ill stick with my quest pro for now
I have a reverb g2 collecting dust, i love the form factor of this but for sim racing or other seated gaming i think that the light towers are overkill.
Wow. We're entering such a rich era of affordable insane immersion.
do you think you’ll ever do a review on the trak racer trx?
Nice addition of the screen door affect to your actual video while talking about it 😂
nice review ! I think I switch from my reverb G2 after over 2 years to this Bigscreen VR .... a lightweight VR on your head while driving is very comfortable I think so. I don't want a heavy weight VR while driving and the good quality in dark situations make a NOS24 race on night very funny
this is crazy cool.
WAY outside my budget, not even close. But I'm excited for small VR tech to break into the market and (hopefully) get cheaper
If you own a ps5 the PSVR2 works amazing on GT7. Both systems together are still cheaper than this headset alone. Limited, but great alternative.
@@bartvy yes I definitely looked into that, but I've built my pc up so I can't justify buying a ps5 just for one game.
I'm hoping the new forza motorsport gameplay is atleast on the same level as gt7. It likely won't get vr support but as long as the game is good im happy lol
cool! i love using Vr but current a quest 2 feels heavy bulky and the resolution is not the best.. would love to see lighter cheaper vr headsets meant for pc would create some competition in that space and improve sim racing
THIS is the true future.
Not those comically large bulky sets...
Will you be doing a review for the Q3?
Does it only work with the steam light house sensors or will it work with the oculus sensors too?
Hey! Thanks a lot for the video, it was really great.👍
Could you please give me advice? I think you're the only one who has enough knowledge in this area to answer my question.
I'm mostly looking for a headset to watch movies and shows. I have a good 65" hdr oled tv but want to get really cinema and 3d effects with good picture(I don't have an appropriate wall for a video projector).
My priority is not comfort but to get the most enjoyable and realistic picture from watching movies.
I'm ready to buy Pimax Crystal but is it the best choice in comparison with Bigscreen Beyond or maybe there is a better choice? I mean which one can give the best cinematic experience? I've read that Pimax Crystal has HDR and Bigscreen has a "glare" issue during scenes with high contrast, is it true?
Or maybe it's impossible for now to get better cinematic experience from a VR headset than from a good 65" hdr oled tv set? What do you think?
this is exactly what i need as i wear glasses and no one sims in my house but me!
Note that this uses uOLED and are a generation beyond OLED, uOLED are deposited directly on silicon and that fixes a lot of OLED issues, mura is eliminated for one.
New wish list item😂
Would you say this is better the Reverb G2? My cable went out and Im going to need to upgrade soon....
What an excellent review Will. I have never really been a fan of VR for sim racing, but only because of the size of the headsets and frontal weight. BUT my god, I'm ready to slap my money on the table to get one of these after seeing your review, (even though they are Aussie dollars). Can you change the type of wheel you are using? Because you obviously cant see yours. Plus it is a shame that you can't say to your friends "Hey, put these on and have a race" if they aren't your twin 😊
Hello, from the Varjo aero is better ? I use for iracing
The weight feel on the bridge of the nose from a typical VR headset can pretty much be cancelled out if you buy a head strap for whatever brand headset you have. I had the same issue with my VR headset until I bought an over the head strap from a third party vendor. It completely took the weight off the bridge of the nose and put it on the top of the head where it belonged. Now I can do VR for hours whereas before I could only do VR for 30 to 45 minutes.
How does tracking work? And controllers?
Also would opencomposite / openXR work to bypass steamVR?
so its perfect for using with motion rigs? since I have my RCC mk2 seat, my g2 is shaking sooo much. feels like the formula 1 head bounce.
Love this - solves many issues I have with current 'large' headsets - be very interested to see how this size tech develops.
Imagine. A stand-alone PCVR-level headset of this size. -Impossible but I want this.
When I just want to use 2D streaming to the headset, do I still need the Steam VR Lighthouse thingies?
Still using my Samsung Odyssey original HMD headset with its dual AMOLED screens. Looking forward to this new headset.
I'm gonna keep watching the video, but I am a newbie to PCVR gear. (Quest 2/3 user) -- What hardware do I need to track my head movement.
Looks very promising
I’ve obviously not tried it but the lack of weight is going to make the FOV less relevant in a way. I notice moving my head quickly with a headset on very noticeable, but with this it would feel much more natural to move around
Do you need anything else to use this headset to do sim racing or watch movies?
HELLO AND THANKS I don't know if you have already tried this 3 but tell me what to buy as VR TODAY thank you very much
Will - would the original tracking units for the HTC Vive work with this headset?
Please tell me how the horizontal and vertical FOVs compare to the Aero!
Definitely something I'd be looking at. Traditional big VR hurts my eyes and gives me headaches.
This or the Pimax Crystal? I have a Reverb G2 but was wondering ir triples would be better for racing, because of higher fps’s.
This VR headset is for the hardcore PC user, with "no friends" as this is totally customized for one person only. Very different approach compared to most VR-headset today. Sure it is good if you have no intention to share the experience with anyone else. Probably hard to sell second hand 😉😉
any issues with sweat? thats the biggest drawback for me of my 8kx is I start sweating 30 mins in because how hot the displays get
Except we don’t have controllers for it. Are we able to hook individual ones up to this headset?
This is the future of gaming
Does this headset have the virtual desktop like the Areo?