BigScreen VR - My Impressions after 100 Days
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- As I pass through 100 days of owning a BigScreen Beyond VR headset, I revist my initial impressions when I first received it to how I feel about the BSB now.
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System Specs:
Processor - AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-Core Processor, 3701 Mhz, 12 Core(s), 24 Logical Processor(s)
MoBo - MPG X570 GAMING PRO CARBON WIFI (MS-7B93)
RAM - 64.0 GB
GPU - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090
HMD - BigScreen Beyond
00:00 Intro
00:40 SPOILER ALERT
00:53 My Opinion (After 100 Days)
02:06 The Sweet Spot
03:06 The Glare
05:02 My Original Plan (Pimax 12K)
05:45 Wearing the Pimax8KX
06:20 Why I Gambled on the BSB
07:03 The Compromise Trade Offs
07:50 The Pimax Crystal
08:30 What I Would Choose Today
11:20 Why I Changed the Original Gasket
12:10 BSB Customer Service Response
12:40 Needing an iPhone for the Face Scan
14:10 Things to Consider if you Order a BSB
15:13 My Thoughts 100 Days Later
16:00 One Final Observation
17:45 Would I Buy the Crystal or 12K instead - Hry
This is a great review and you're especially articulate in explaining the pros and cons. Thank you!
Thank you 🙌🏾
This is the conundrum I am currently facing. The form factor of the Bigscreen Beyond is above all other VR headsets. It looks great and in theory would allow you to play for longer sessions without getting tired from the weight (compared to other headsets). However I'm still leaning towards the PIMAX Crystal OLED slated for later this year. In a perfect world, we would have the quality and resolution of the PIMAX in the form factor of the Bigscreen Beyond.
Conundrum is the perfect description. Even if we didn’t get the form factor of the BSB, it would be great if other manufacturers could significantly reduce the weight of their devices.
Yeap, agreed.
I love the pimax crystal but hell, it’s the first time I’ve seen my 4090 sweat and the amount of cables I have to hook up to it just to work around the dumb battery pack design as well as the ginormous headset.
But….Visually, I think it’s brilliant so much better than quest 3 for PCVR IMO.
Personally speaking, my wholly grail is when these headsets support resolution per eye of 3840x2160, no video signal compression, no foliated rendering, no third party software to improve performance, no tweaking.
These things ain’t cheap so my expectations are high as I’m keen to get rid of massive screens on my sim rig and all of my half-baked VR headsets.
Just give me what I see on my 4K OLED 120hz monitor straight to my eye balls!
Side note, 8K will be really hard to drive with current hardware, speak to my 4090 about it… it’s hooked up to a Samsung G9 57 inch monitor which is 4K+4K (7680x2160) but I can’t bring myself to use DLSS.
5090 better be powerful enough for the next gen PCVR headsets. Get rid of stand alone VR mode too, leave that to Apple and Meta.
@@deesee76 I'd like some kind of gyroscopic based tracking, no ,more reliance on light stations or other signals that can be disrupted.
Great detailed info
Thanks, I hope it was useful.
Good Follow Up Man - I to am please with My BSB and have no regrets coming from Valve Index... This is def a step up!
I mostly sim race and it work great for that!! Clearest smoothest VR headset I"ve ever used in sim racing...not to mention most confortable by a mile
Thanks. Glad to hear you too have no regrets.
This is such a nice piece of engineering. I still have time to get a set for myself but today this would be the one.
It really is.
Solid owners review mate! Fantastic job on explaining your experience with the BSB. I was close to biting the bullet on ordering the BSB and getting it shipped to UK. I think the worry of getting a bad face scan (I have a neanderthal features lol) and incorrect IPD and the hassle of getting it corrected just put me off. I've instead placed an order for the new Pimax Crystal Light which has raving reviews for clarity and comfort. My trusted Valve Index will now be retired and I can't wait to experience a big step up in clarity.
Thank you. I completely understand that nervous angst. I did the face scan and IPD measurement multiple times. I was certain I’d mess it 🤣.
I’d love to hear how you find the Crystal Light. Here’s hoping you receive it soon 🤞🏾.
Great review dude! Went with Varjo Aero last year instead of BSB cuz got it for 1k euros, BSB was 1450 including audio solution so it was too much for me personally.
Also eye tracking was something i wanted for social vr and DFR. If they ever come out with BSB 2, im Definitely going for it! Great review dude.
Thank you. May I ask what the Varjo is like, because that had previously tempted me A LOT!
Regarding the cable comfort there's actually a clip on the back of the strap. In between the two pieces you pull to tighten it there's a block of plastic with two prongs.
Snap the cable in there and it'll take the extra weight off the side of the headset and hold it in place for you!
Thanks. I forgot to say in the video, I’ve been wary of using the clip - it looked like it’d crimp the cable over time and I didn’t want to potentially introduce a stress break in the cable (unlikely, I know 😏).
But yes, you’re right - it would resolve it.
For cable weight, other than using a Velcro cable as the other guy suggested. Try running it thro the left hole in the back of the seat to take some of the cable weight away.
I’ll try that, thanks. Let’s hope I don’t forget and get up too quickly 🤣.
I might also look into an alternative grip to the one it ships with (it’s a little too tight for my liking).
@@MAWvR3ALITY yeah, it’s more of a permanent solution, but u get used to it quickly. Are u a sim racer only? I appreciate the review. I just would need foveated rendering and I’m not sure about the fov but otherwise this is the perfect headset. I still use the g2, it’s a shame there hasn’t been an all rounder like it on sale again.
I’m about 60 days in, but it’s my first VR headset, so I have no comparison. I have had to trim my eyelashes for years because they hit my sun glasses, so my lashes hitting the BSB has not been a problem. I can’t for the audio strap to show up! I also have a Leap Motion 2.0 that I just got, am still configuring it and getting it dialed in to DCS. Will attempt MSFS integration soon. Awesome video!
Thank you. How have the first 60 days been for you?
How’re you finding the LM 2.0? I might look into getting one; I had the first unit but couldn’t ever get it to work 100% consistently.
I think you hit the nail on the head for me. I Got a Quest 3 as my first ever headset. Weight is great if I position my aftermarket strap properly the thing barely touches my face and I wear it more like a hat. I can wear it easily for about 6 to 8 hours no problem. I'm considering the PIMAX as I'm building a whole new rig soon. But I've always been concerned about the comfort. Sim racing play time is always pretty long compared to other types of games. With practice, qualifying and racing. You've really given me some food for thought and I appreciate that. All of the influencers are going nuts over the Crystal Lite at the moment, not many people mentioning the cons. And even though it is apparently lighter the size of the thing just doesn't look comfortable to me.
I’ve seen there are counterweight options to relieve some of the weight of the Pimax headsets, perhaps look into those.
However, yep - I hear you on those 6-HR sim-racing sessions. I don’t know about other users’ experiences, but my Pimax 5&8KX box started digging into my forehead after 2 hrs.
I’m not sure if it was because I didn’t ever have it positioned well enough on the back of my head to take the strain. I tend to think it’s just because there’s only so long you can hang something that large off your face before gravity wins out.
I’d love to know what you finally decide on.
I have an og crystal, and the comfort is pretty good, but it is a noticeable weight on your face after an extended session. Also, if you have a quest 3 the crystal isn't that much better in terms of clarity. It does have a higher resolution screen, but because of the lenses, it's a bit more blurrier on the edges, which can hurt the overall experience.
I have both, Q3 and the original Crystal. The Crystal in terms of resolution and visual fidelity beats the Q3, I got the top strap and counter weight mod and I can game 4 hours straight no problem. I fine tuned mine so its as comfortable as the Q3 with a bobovr strap. If you’re planning to build a rig with a 4090 like I have, the crystal is probably the best headset to pair it with. If not, the Q3 will do you just fine, I just cant stand those cheap LCDs on the Q3 after I got a taste of the crystal panels.
Quest 3 is a streaming headset wich has tons of compression artifacts and double the input lag vs a PCVR headset with Display Port connection.
I didn't buy the BSB for it's downsides, but I already know the BSB 2 will be my next headset.
Did you get something else or just sitting this round out?
I’m going to be so conflicted if the BSB2 becomes available in the next 12-18 months 😂.
@@MAWvR3ALITY Rocking the Varjo Aero since December 2021. Very statisfied with it ever since and nothing has pulled me away from it. Have no interest in XR-4, want something to go with Steam Base stations, loving the small form factor of BSB. Allthough I don't mind if they shift the balance a little more towards functionality. Let's say, a BSB, with Quest 3 lenses, so a slightly bigger headset (probably), maybe less intrusive facial interface (my lenses always fog up), active cooling fan like Aero, either Micro Oled or Local dimming Qled, at least 2880x2880 res, don't mind the fixed IPD, but no glare and better fov. Keep as lightweigt as possible and better cable routing, maybe through top strap? Don't care for eye-tracking. Anyway, that's what I dream of ;)
@@gijslaumen1354 that sounds like a headset I’d buy too 🙌🏾
Pimax Crystal Light is out now. Much cheaper than this and lighter and cheaper than the Crystal.
If the BSB didn't exist, I'd probably go for the Crystal Light ahead of the 12K.
However, I believe the Crystal Light is ~3X heavier than the BSB, covering the same facial area as the 8KX and 5KX. So I'd still be happier with the BSB, just my preference 🙂.
yes i skipped ahead to 0:45 lol. tbh i started frontloading hard on my videos just make it as if people skipped already but at 0:00. But yeah good video.
Thanks 🙌🏾
Quality video man. I've still got my OG vive right now that I just haven't quite justified replacing, as my largest complaint is the pressure points and sweat that come along with longer races and the BSB seems to be the first headset to prioritize that. Like you, I'm not overly concerned about the glare as on track I've had some tear-offs with horrible glare while driving open wheel. Now I just have to decide if I should wait a little while and see if they revise the optics to increase the FOV. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Thank you. If you're able to hold out and wait, perhaps you'll have options from some of the other manufactorers making small format headsets.
Or (fingers crossed) BSB figure out how to widen the sweetspot and solve the glare in a newer model.
You'll have to come back and let me know if you give up staying strong and can no longer resist the urge to buy something 😂.
I'm still using the OG Vive too, although heavily modified with the frankenstrap mod, which makes it very comfortable, and the Gear VR lens mod, which removes the bad glare and god rays. The OLED panels in the Vive are great, even if the resolution isn't super great.
@@MAWvR3ALITY The itch grows stronger by the day, but I know I'll be kicking myself if I upgrade after this long and miss out on a V2 or an option from another brand by 6 months. Sure is tempting though.
@@Starmast3rmusic What strap did you put on yours? I'm still using the basic cloth strap. I made a ~1mm pad to bring my lenses closer for better FOV and then added foam to spread the weight, which also minorly improved clarity, but that's all I've done to mine. Sounds like the lens mod may be worth it if I'll be hanging on to the Vive for a little while longer.
Transitioned from Oculus Rift S to Pico 4 and there are so many drawbacks, screen door effect being the major one. BSB seems nice, but I do not have an iPhone or SteamVR base stations nor controllers. So I will have to wait till Pimax Crystal Super microOled comes out. And, knowing Pimax reputation, I do not expect it earlier than summer 2025. And 12k? It's just an urban legend )
Urban legend 🤣. I have to admit, I thought it would be here by now.
I like the small form factor the most. Still the 50 PPD of upcoming models are a bigger draw. Maybe we will see that in the BigScreen Beyond 2.
Someone else mentioned the Visor Immersed, that form factor looks appealing too.
Great video and in depth explanation of BSB , I sold my Pimax Crystal. The Crystal has a great picture but everything else IMO sucks. I'm tempted by to get a BSB but I decided to pre order the Immersed Visor instead. Mt 1st impressions of the Crytal was pretty good but after a few months I ended up disliking it ( quite a lot I might add ) because of the bulk , weight , poor comfort and fit , cheap plastics , awful strap and dial , cheap Velcro stickers for gasket , awful mechanical noises from auto IPD and then having to spend out more for the lighthouse face plate or AR plate. It seemed more like tacked on add-ons that should of been included already, and the overall whole design could of been thought out so much better and they never sent my the 2nd set of lenses. Now I look back I was happier with my Valve Index. I'll never buy into Pimax ever again.
Thanks. I hadn't heard of the Immersed Visor - I'll have to look into it. How long is your pre-order?
I hear you on growing out of love with Pimax. I'm still glad I went Pimax after my CV1 - however, there were times when I wondered if I'd have had a better experience going the Reverb route instead.
That was very helpful - currently on a Vario Aero (gone through most of the older headsets HTC Vive, Pro, Pro II, G2) and I'm considering a BigScreen headset - ergonomics and stability are my biggest concerns, as I've just watched the video, ergonomics is handled very well - what about stability? Any tracking issues, other things not working (my aero loses tracking at times, or doesn't work at all, is juttering, image only in one eye, etc.)
Would love to hear your opinion on stability, ease of use, thanks!
Thanks, glad it was helpful. You’ve reminded me of things I should have covered, so thanks - they’ll be day 200’s update topics 😆.
Every so often, if I’ve turned on the PC and left the headset for a while - the left eye has no image. Unplugging and plugging back in, the power resolves it.
If I grab the headset to peer out, my fingers block the base station reception and grey out the view.
Some games (DCS, MSFS 2020) don’t track in all degrees of motion if I have OpenXR/Composite active (or vice-versa). I have to use the multithread command modifier for DCS and (I think) disable OpenXR for MSFS 2020.
Not sure if it’s placebo, but that’s what resolves the tracking issue with those two games for me.
I edited it out of the video but, with the BSB I can shake my head left and right quite a bit before inertia takes effect. So quick glances result in no movement, it’s overly exaggerated shakes that shift it.
With the 8KX the inertia effect was much more noticeable. Especially if I slackened the head strap to relieve pressure on my forehead.
@@MAWvR3ALITY Thanks a lot - DCS is my main sim, so that was helpful answer - now I have to find someone willing to 3d-scan my face :)
@@gaudin5573 good luck with the 3D scan. They really need to fix that 🤦🏾♂️
1st immpression is ugly, but day 2 changed the whole experience for me❤ been using it 2weeks and im still loving it more and more each day.
Glad to hear day two was a game changer. Out of curiosity, what made the difference on day two?
@@MAWvR3ALITY asetto corsa competizione.. im really immpressed by the clarity, coming from index its a game changer.
i forgot about the sweetspot and small fov.
when we drive we look straight anyway.. so its not a big deal anymore
only glare when its night time.. but the black level is Amazing, so i can forget the glare few days after
@@moncimoovah yes, ACC looks so much better in the BSB.
Here’s hoping🤞🏾 you have many more day twos to come
@@MAWvR3ALITY RE2 remake, and cyberpunk 2077 also quite a game changer with this headset... but when u play other games like beat saber, or superhot... yuckkkk.. all u think about is the small sweetspot again lol
@@moncimoov haha - for me it’s in-game menus that are fixed in place, so you can’t pivot to look at the edges 🤣
Great stuff. Does it still work in a 1954 Masareti 😀
Thanks.
That’s it - I really need to stop getting distracted with other stuff and get back on track with you guys.
Is the big screen VR usb c only? Or does it support uncompressed direct signal from the GPU via DP1.4? I just got a pimax crystal and it’s a country mile better than my other headsets Quest 3, HTC Vive Elite and PSVR2, whatever the latter is… The crystal indeed is great quality but I hate all the cables and size of the damn thing.
The BSB has a 5M USB C from the headset into a link box that connects to your PC via two USB 3 and one DP1.4 connection (that must connect to your GFX card directly).
www.bigscreenvr.com/mybeyond#
“Connecting the Link Box to your PC
Connect the two USB 3.0 cables ⦿ on the Link Box to two USB 3.0 ports on your computer. The Link Box's DisplayPort 1.4 cable ⦿ must be connected directly to the Nvidia or AMD graphics card on your computer, and should not be plugged into your motherboard. If you're using a laptop, you will either need a Mini-DisplayPort to Displayport 1.4 adapter. or if your laptop has USB-C DisplayPort (also known as DP Alt Mode), you will need a USB-C to DisplayPort 1.4 adapter.
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I agree on all points. Interestingly Ive come from a slighly different direction. Index to Aero to Beyond.. The Beyond is much smoother than the aero, even at the same render res and OpenXR settings, the aero feels jerky, the beyond is butter smooth at even 75fps. Big Screen are actively working on the beyond 2. they are hiring optics engineers :) With LG, Samsung and BOE releasing micro OLED 4k displays this year we are in for a treat 2025 onwards!!
Sounds like I might need to auction off an arm and a leg to get ready for the pre-order list when the BSB2 is announced then 😁
@@MAWvR3ALITYMeta are planning on the lg 4k micro oled for their next headed,that would I'll be £500 Ish so panels might be cheaper than we think
@@brettgrievesfingers crossed 🤞🏾
crystal has also only around 100 hfov.
Good point - there really isn't a lot in it.
not enough FOV for me for social experiences sadly
Hopefully they resolve that if/when they release a v2.0
I'm still rocking an Original Vive ever since it came out, never saw big updates in tech to make up for the tag.. i was actually waiting for something smaller, better res and hopefully foveated rendering to move on but im chewing on this instead.. im quite tired of the bulk of it..
Does the Beyond have any screen door effect?
Decisions, decisions. I totally get the hesitancy, it’s a high price tag to gamble on.
I genuinely haven’t noticed any screen door effect. If it’s there, I’m just not aware of it.
This was my first impression: czcams.com/video/DccaBGyNDJ8/video.htmlsi=mlCvuZvOiNkn_pFb
In it I was blown away by how clean and clear images were compared to my previous headset. At the time I didn’t even notice a sweet spot (which I now know exists).
Compared to what I was used to seeing in AC, ACC, rF2 etc., in the BSB - particularly in AMS2, it had me questioning if it was an even better image than my 4K TV (probably due to it being clean, clear, and 3D).
This was me testing if I could read tiny font in MSFS: czcams.com/video/kYmdnaYAmgQ/video.htmlsi=w99bXLt-FvCmr3AB
I could, mostly - especially text that was illegible before. I noticed the glare on this video and the sweet spot.
It’s a shame you can’t get hands on a unit to test before you buy.
@@MAWvR3ALITY Thanks for your comeback.. apart from the OGV's bulk, the second thing that bothers me the most, only when i notice it, is the screen door. At this screen resolution should be a thing of the past or barely there if you look for it..
I also use it mostly with AC and i also just tilt my head, even though i modded my unit with the clear Samsung lenses..
Will keep chewing on this.. thanks for your info.
@rodrigomartinelli741 I don’t want to influence your decision (be liable if you buy then hate it 😏) but I’d be shocked if you were disappointed with screen door.
I found this video really helpful when I was first considering the switch: czcams.com/video/pPYOmbpdjfA/video.htmlsi=9di4FcNOTwd1Canf
He does a through the lens comparison.
@@MAWvR3ALITY Worry not, as i said, been chewing on this for months.. still have some time tho.. there are two taxes in my country wich make anything you try to import and its shipping, *twice* as expensive.. hopefully in a few months it'll be gone so i have time to make up my mind.. Thanks again for your time.
Love your content. Thank you
Just trim your eyelashes 🤣🤣🤣
Get a piece of velchro tie and run the cable along the side of the strap.
Don't think I haven't considered 😂🤣😂
Thank you - I really appreciate that.
That's also a great idea - thanks, I have plenty of spare velcro. I forgot to mention in the video, I've deliberately avoided uses the cable grip at the back of the head-strap, as I fear it will crimp the cable.
im going with the Pimax crystal lite, i like the size but base stations and controllers are a no go for me
Makes perfect sense. It would be nice not having to rely on (buy) base stations.
how many base stations do you need for sim racing
You probably only “need” one. As long as it has good line of sight with the devices sensors. I use two, to account for the awkward layout of my room.
@@MAWvR3ALITYthanks, do you need controllers
@@giannilagastnp, no VR controllers needed for sim-racing, but you might need one if you have to navigate the Steam VR menu (to reset your seating position etc.)
Although, you can probably do this via the Steam VR desktop menu (with your mouse).
You’ll need your pedal, wheels, game controller for the game/sim though (I know you know, just making sure 😊).
Only Pimax talk and not much other headsets like Quest 3. Yeah, kinda hard to tell what is better, what cons and pros are from other headsets. It's more Pimax versus Bigscreen video, not very useful in some ways. Especially if you know Quest 2 and 3 are way much cheaper (2-4 times cheaper).
At least you talked about pros and cons of Bigscreen, that is fine. The part 'Should you buy...' is still Pimax focused, so not much useful for others.
Thanks 👍🏾, it’s primarily because this is based on my personal experience upgrading to the BSB from the 8KX and the choices I was considering at the time (Pimax options).
It’s also a follow up to my previous video speaking about my initial impressions having made my choice.
Wait for MeganeX Superlight instead and skip this headset
The problem is, as with all PC related buys, eventually you have to stop waiting and just buy something 😄.
@@MAWvR3ALITY yeah that's why I am getting the Somnium vr1 now . Hope to see you on the Somnium Connect show 🫶🫠
For cable weight, other than using a Velcro cable as the other guy suggested. Try running it thro the left hole in the back of the seat to take some of the cable weight away.