Ranking The Top 25 NBA Players (2024) | #16-20
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- Ranking the Top 25 players of the 2023-24 NBA season, featuring in-depth player profiles and explanations.
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@@tylerhatch8962he said one of not the best
I really love Hoop venue's work in these videos... His content is in my opinion one of the best and it's alongside channels like: "thinking basketball", "by any means basketball" and "pjfperformance"
(tho these last two are more on technical/physical side of the game)
how yall complaining about kyrie being higher than jaylen brown but not complaining about dame being higher than jb
😂😂😂, this is facts
They're all on the first vid lol
I think Wemby makes a huge jump in progression next year with CP3 as his point
I think he’ll absolutely be an all-star and I believe they make it to the playoffs, not the play-in
But the playoffs
Lol
I agree!
@@HoopVenue you think the Spurs make the playoffs?
I THINK WEMBY IS A MVP LEVEL PLAYER NEXT YEAR💯
imo the playoffs is STRETCH especially considering how stacked the west is. Play-in I agree they have a good chance for that.
Putting Kyrie that high is genuinely baffling considering how good your basketball knowledge is
Why?
He's an elite shooter off the catch, movement and self creation. He's a high end playmaker in PnR and attacking closeouts. Doesn't turn the ball over. Makes super fast decisions. Is one of the best finishers in NBA history. Scores efficiently at all three levels.
He's basically the guard version of KD
@@michaelahurtguard version of kd and lacks 10 inches of height. So just much worse kd? Kyrie can’t play defense. Is not a 3 level scorer like KD is. Not a great playmaker. Overrated af and definitely does not belong in top 20
Kyrie is better than basically every guard that will be ranked over him. Yu don’t know basketball
@@karlliebknecht2987 it’s always clear who never played competitive basketball 🤣🤣
@@Splashgod15 kyrie is better than steph? Better than brunson? Okay bro stop dickriding a guy who thinks the earth is flat
playing shooting guard and point guard , when to be aggressive or pass to luka while getting other guys involved while not being ball dominate like you used to man Kyrie special .
Finally a channel with no hidden agenda keep dropping
I dont agree with everyone's placing but going to the comment and seeing what position specifically people have an issue with is genuinely mind-boggling.
Kyrie>Brown is people's most contentious pick? Seriously?
They have more of a problem with kyrie over him than dame😂😂🤦♂️
High basketball iq
Everyone acting like Jaylen Brown isn't on a stacked team that can provide him all the space he wants with a true 5 out offense.Just sit out Tatum for a series and you'll see how it goes.
Go look at his stats in games where Tatum didn't play, he is averaging over 30pts a game. The offense runs absolutely no plays for him to get easy buckets, the guy has a great post game, but Celtics never post him up, he is one of the best mid range shooters, but instead he is asked to shoot 3pts, and what is worse, they put him in the corner for long stretches so that he can open the floor for Tatum...Do you know last year he averaged 27 points a game, only three other players in his position as an option 2 have ever done that in the history of the NBA. Just sit out Brown in the Championship and see how the series goes, with how awful Tatum played, the Mavs would have won the Championship.
@@francisco2525take away Tatum & he’s still in one of the best situations for a star to be in
This is the dumbest overused line of logic in the NBA. If a controversial player like JB is on a good team, he’s “getting carried and it’s too easy” to be impressive. And if he’s on a trash team, he’s “stat padding and it’s meaningless.”Just such a stupid take.
You’re acting like Kyrie doesn’t need a 6’9 demigod point forward to take all the pressure off of being carrying an offense.
@@nanagotham1590even with that being said kyrie is clearly the better offensive player than Jaylen brown. Kyrie as the number one in Boston averaged 24/5/7 on damn near 50/40/90 splits making second team all nba, and was efficient his first year in Boston as well with teams scheming for mainly him and him getting all the attention. Even in Cleveland as a rookie on the worst roster in the league with minimal spacing he had no problems being efficient, also in 6 games without luka this season he averaged 30/6/7 on good efficiency. So I think its safe to say he can still be the same efficient player that he is as the number option as well. The sample size is big, so there’s no point trying to combat my argument. He doesn’t need luka to be efficient and effective😂.
ZION MENTIONED RAHHH
Best ball coverage in media. Bar none. Excited to see where luka, joker, bron, & giannis end up. Keep it up yo. Big fan.
Kyrie over Jaylen Brown after that series is legitimately indefensible
I don’t think one series is nearly enough of a sample size to gauge a player’s value.
Same way I didn’t have Jimmy > Tatum after last year’s ECF, or Tatum > Embiid after last year’s 2nd round.
That’s true but at the same time it’s “2024” list tho so that dont make sense
@@HoopVenue You tweeted that Tatum was better than Jimmy in that series so regardless of the outcome you should’ve had Tatum higher
@hoop u replied to a bot that copy and pasted the top comment on the video😂🤦
Yeah I realized that, oh well! Lol
"His length warps the geometry of the court" Alright gordon ramsay🔥🔥 Facts tho, could not have worded it better
I think needs to be 25th, He's great at finishing but there's not much to him after that
Would probably have Wemby > Bam because I think he’s a better defender + is a better supporting offensive player. Also I’d probably move Zion down a couple pegs. Similar offensive/defensive value to guys like Dame/Haliburton/Kyrie albeit a different style of play.
Another great vid
The vids are so much shorter now :\
17 mins ani't short😭
NBA offseason things are slow I’m guessing
Too much yapping last year!
@@HoopVenue I would sit through an Oppenheimer length video
Wake up honey Hoop Venue just dropped
I’m predicting paolo banchero will take a leap in year 3 and be in the 16-20 range for the 24-25 season heading into 25-26 when the when this series is back next year great video as always
I won’t argue with the list so I think it’s valid I’m just waiting on next one, it’s getting interesting.
I know you didn't rank Ja cause of games played but if you included him, where would you have ranked Ja?
He has some great upside offensively, defensively he's able to make some reads but usually isn't really an impactful defender. And even with his offensive upside he has an extremely limited game as we saw against the Lakers in 2023. If he were to be ranked here based on what we know, he'd probably be in the 23-18 spots
@@narrow360117-21 for me
I cannot put Kyrie above Jaylen Brown
who do you think is the best defender in the league?
People saying Jalen brown better just watched the finals and not the other 8 months of basketball lmao
Kyrie was a monster this season brown was a great 2nd option in a super team kinda like a better prime klay Thompson
Definitely some bias but give me Brown > Bam as a #2. Love the content, keep up the hard work!
If JB wasn’t in the best situation in the nba by far do u still think u would choose him over Bam?
man am a kyrie fan , his my favore it player so am clearly baised. for me he is top 10.
If dame lost alot of his downhill game what makes you still give him the edge over trae?
@@frz_- cause hes still better…. trae young couldnt defend a paraplegic ant
@@brab1242and dame was also ass on defense this yr
@@Julian-dm9hx but trae young is THE WORST defender
@@brab1242 you said dame was better than Trae but used defense as your main argument. They aren’t far off defensively. Dame is really ass, while Trae is the worst. You can make the case for dame, but imo defense isn’t putting dame over the top
Thank you, I’ve been saying kyrie is a neutral defender for a while now or at worst a slight negative, casuals just say he’s a liability and that he doesn’t play any defense, when he has some of the best active hands in the league.
Wow butler over jb this year wow
SCOTTIE BARNES TOP 15 YESSIR
as a raptors fan, no.
good zion placement
#17 Jimmy Butler? OLD + injury prone + average level in regular season 😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😅😂😅😂😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅
in my opinion this list is solid if you switch dame and jb, and fox and trae young
I feel you are overrating Kyrie. I would not say he is All NBA level and top 20 player. I would not even have him in my top 25.
26-5-5 on 50% fg and 41% from 3 and best handles in the league. Better numbers than Edwards and Curry, but I know he’s not better than them overall.. You’re judging him too hard off the finals
25.6 pts 5 ast , 5 reb and a stl shooting just over 40% from 3....even so, I'm actually not a fan (go Heat😅) but c'mon bro. Not 25 is wild.
You hating he’s damn near top 10 the kyrie hate is crazy that’s how I know you don’t watch basketball
Not top 25 is just hate
And your argument is? Your opinion? If you don’t have an argument then keep it to yourself.
I feel as if you should’ve given Jimmy the edge over Zion but the two are very close and I’d say their placements are interchangeable.
Jimmy is just more versatile of a player with less weaknesses and thus would be a better fit than most teams. Zion would have to be the engine with the ball in his hands and with shooters spaced around him to exert his mega value. And what you didn’t touch was his little to non-existent off-ball gravity on the perimeter due to his lack of shooting skill which is a big problem especially in the Playoffs.
I get that Jimmy also isn’t an elite shooter himself but just like in your video about DeMar he still demands respect because of what he can do once he catches the ball with his slashing and respectable mid-range game.
I honestly would’ve done (from 16-20) Butler, Kyrie, Zion, Wembanyama, and Bam.
I might even bump Bam even lower than that tbh I just can’t see how he’d be more valuable than Brown’s two-way impact. Brown would be 20th and I’d have Bam at 21st and Dame at 22nd.
Still a great video, can’t wait for the rest.
if wemby is top 20 so should holmgren because if holmgren was on the spurs and had to create his own shots and stuff he would probaly have the same stats because theres no one scoring 30 ppg like sga
I typically agree with 95% of what you say but I truly cannot wrap my head around some of your rankings year after year given how high your ball knowledge is
maybe youre wrong
@@adubis4567 What would you change?
@@brab1242 I’m not
@@ZachNguyen-vp7nz Kyrie way too high, Jimmy way too high, Jaylen way too low, Hali too low
Kyrie Irving over Jaylen Brown is very interesting. Looking forward to the rest of the list!
What’s people’s problem on Kyrie’s placement on the list just from one series where brown was better. Kyrie is undoubtedly the better offensive player, kyrie is a better 3pt shooter, pull up 3pt shooter, midrange shooter, better offensive processor, better playmaker, better passer, and he’s better in the pick and roll. He shot 51% in the midrange per 75 possessions which is all time level midrange shooting and he’s one of the best catch and shoot 3pt shooters in the league. Your argument for brown being better would have to solely be from his rim pressure, transition play, and defense and kyrie is not even a bad defender.
@@abtocool6350you lost all credibility when you said kyrie is not a bad defender. He is statistically a defensive liability. Brown locked up luka in the finals, and has been confidently a top 5 defensive wing these past few seasons. Brown also offensively outplayed the hell out of kyrie in the finals and it wasnt even close. Putting brown below kyrie is disrespectful
@@karlliebknecht2987ah I see, your one of those who looks at advanced metrics to make a full depiction on someone’s defense. Judging defense is mainly a eye test thing, and if you think kyrie was a bad defender this year then that’s you, to me Kyrie was a average defender this year so we’re just gonna have to agree to disagree. Outplaying somebody in a series doesn’t make you better than Them, with that logic kyrie would have to be better than Ant. Kyrie is undoubtedly a better offensive player than Jaylen brown, better playmaker, better passer, better processor with the ball, better ball handler, better midrange shooter(although the gap isn’t that big), better shotmaker, better 3pt pull up shooter, and a better catch and shoot shooter.
Lillard that high is insane did you miss this entire past season?
… was the Wemby section posted before Chris Paul moved to the Spurs? 😂
Did you factor in next year projection for Wemby. His offense isn’t elite yet
Bro missed watching Wemby
I just don’t get how you can say he isn’t able to create easy shots for himself and at the same time time that he is great at punishing closeouts and rotating defenses , are there not easy shots ?
You don't create a closeout or rotation. That results from someone else collapsing the defense and then kicking it out. You are the recipient, you don't cause it to occur.
Blud tried sneaking in Adebayo at 18. Bam should be an honorable mention. Guys like Siakim, Jamal Murray, KAT, Porzingis, Jalen Williams, Sengun, Markkanen, Scottie Barns, Tyrese Maxey, Paolo Banchero, and even Dejounte Murray should be higher than Bam. And none of the people I just named are even top 25 according to you. Bam at 18 is nuts. Swap scenarios with Bam and anyone else from 19-25 on the list, the team would be much worse,
Didn't even mention Sabonis
Bam better than al of them
@@user-le8km7jk3t Swapping scenarios isn’t always a one-to-one science. Sure, Bam can’t carry an offense the way some of whom you mentioned can, but his defense holds tremendous value and he scales up pretty well on contenders.
@@user-le8km7jk3t you dont value defense just say that
@@ryanamburgy2791 I think he will it Sabonis top 15 if he has a brain. Sabonis was top 6 in MVP race so I’m pretty confident he’ll put him top 15
Kyrie at 19 over JB is disgusting
Why?
@@nolanrussell6326besides 3 pt shooting and maybe playmaking what is kyrie better at? Brown is twice the defender he is. Is an elite rim finisher. Shoots midrange about the same. Browns defense is just so much better than kyrie it’s insane. He also just offensively outplayed him in a 7 game series. What argument is there for kyrie to be above him besides aura?
That’s cause yur a casual lmaoo
@@Splashgod15 you’re name is splashgod15 you are like 12 years old bro. If i’m a casual then i’ve been casually watching the nba since before you were a sperm in your daddy’s ballsack
@@karlliebknecht2987”maybe playmaking”is actually funny. There’s a gap in the playmaking, and he’s better in the midrange he literally shot 51% on 9 attempts per 75 possessions. He’s one of the best pull up shooters in the league and one of the best catch and shoot shooters in the league. Browns playmaking flaws were masked with him not having to handle the ball as much. Kyrie is undoubtedly the better offensive player, one final series where he underperformed in 3 out of the five games doesn’t define kyrie. Your argument for brown being better would have to solely center around the rim pressure and the defense and I don’t think the gap in those categories makes up for the sub categories on offense.🤷♂️
Kyrie is better than a lot of guards but because he plays #2 to Luka he gets penalized smh. Breakdown the game of basketball and you’ll realize kyrie really top 10
Best comment ive seen this year
@@illacrityvincent it’s jus facts 🤷🏾♂️
@@Splashgod15 hell yeah it is 😤
@@Splashgod15 people don’t understand HOW good he is with and without the ball in his hands
Brown should be higher I think you underestimating how good he played he there 2 best defender all playoff and best in the finals and was their best most efficient and consistent scorer
You all are going to see very quickly that Wemby is already top 15
And by the end of the season he will be top 5
bro i’m sorry am i the only one that thinks zion at 16 is insane?
kyrie this high is laughable man cmon
How ?
Cause your a casual 🤣
Sabonis got snubbed, how can you have Fox on this list but not Sabonis.
Also, 15-11 predictions
15. Donovan Mitchell
14. Lebron
13. Kawhi
12. Booker
11. AD
No way healthy kawhi isn't top 7. Efficient and versatile offense and still one of the best perimeter defenders and definitely THE most intimidating perimeter defender in the league. Also Lebron is also still top 7 probably.
@@thenorthremembers728 Lebron is outside of the top 10 EASILY, Kawhi gets points taken off for lack of health but could be as high as #9
@@ryanamburgy2791 Health-adjustments are included at the end; think he’s ranking with the assumption of full health.
@@ryanamburgy2791I don't see how you can have Lebron outside the top 10. He'll probably be top 8 in hoop venues rankings.
@@wemakecookie hes 39 years old. Impressive how good he is for his age, but I don't think hes a top 10 player anymore.
Lmaoo ppl really salty to see Kyrie over Brown after 1 series. Stop being biased & ignoring the fact that Brown is literally in a perfect system where as Luka & Kyrie were relied on all szn & in the playoffs to carry their team. Brown can have multiple bad games & still rely on that 5 out offense to lead the Celtics to a win.
There mad about kyrie over him and not dame😂😂😂
how can you build a team around Kyrie when saying that on his own he's not up to standards and needs someone like Luka to enable him? Thats the opposite of a build around player, thats a dependency player.
Kyrie was still good as a number one option, he was still damn near a 50/40/90 player in Boston as the number one making all nba second team and in his rookie year being on the worst team in the league with minimal spacing he had splits of 47/40/87, so saying he needs another player to enable him is cap. He also averaged 30/6/7 on good splits in 6 games without luka this season.
Opinion on Lauri markkanen ?
Maxey in the top 15 is well deserved. Or, if he's not on the list, then you should just start over
top tier delusion
You better not try sneaking In lebron
2:32 Chris Paul
🐐
So the finals mvp is in the 20’s and a rookie is above him im not seeing straight
It’s all good until he puts LeBron on number 10 or something
Bro where maxey at bro he should be on this list at least 25
I think he said in the intro to this series that he just missed out on top 25, he was 26-31 range.
@@Meringer1 I gotchu I would put him 24 or 25 but if he 26 or 27 not mad at it
Paul George off lost completely this year I see
Ranking a ringless 34 year old Jimmy Butler & a rookie higher than the Finals & ECF MVP, Jaylen Brown? What a joke! That being said, if you're on that side, stay on that side! Don't stop disbelieving!
You act like JB is gonna make people regret it... JB plays on a superteam, and does not carry that team.
Im going to make my case for Maxey here… One of-if not the best catch and shoot player in the league (50% on 3.7 APG in the playoffs), One of the fastest guys in the league, one of the best finishers in the league. While SG is his main position, he can 100% run the point. Next to Embiid, Maxey is averaging a career high 6.2 APG while continuously growing his ability to read different defenses and finding open shooters. One of Maxey's weaknesses is off ball defense, he gets caught lacking more often than you would like him to. However his on ball defense is actually pretty good. I personally have him over every PG youve mentioned so far. Good video as always bro
Jimmy Butler is a top 10 NBA player when healthy that’s not even debatable
No he isn’t tf? 😂 He shouldn’t even be on this top 25
Definitely debatable. In the regular season, he's hardly even top 20. In the playoffs, maybe hes top 10.
@@ryanamburgy2791 He didn’t even play in the playoffs this year and his previous years are so overrated. Dude is pushing 40 with an empty trophy case. He might be top 30 though
Also imma guess:
11. Ant
12. Brunson
13. KD
14. Book
15. Mitchell
No shot he leaves kd out of the t10
@@adubis4567 We’ll see but my hunch is that the Top 10 is too crowded for him especially after some of his regressions. Can’t really create offense for a team and is also a bit flimsy on defense though he is still a lethal off-ball option.
@@ZachNguyen-vp7nz I agree with your assessment I just don’t think he’ll agree
@@adubis4567 Turns out you were right
@@ZachNguyen-vp7nz yup
Chris Paul is gonna lead the league in assists this year.
Jimmy Butler should not be this high, he wasnt that good in regular season
Ngl these 5 were MID and less interesting than the bottom 5 somehow. I love Jimmy tho
From Zion to Dame, when Jaylen Brown has played those players, he has out performed them, offense and defensively, I guess everyone sees things through a different lens...the powers of be have just created this illusion that Jaylen Brown is terrible....not even winning a championship can help him with Hoop Venue...he has been to 7 playoffs in his 8 years in the NBA, and he is mostly judged on those playoff years, especially last year...so it sucks that while other players are at home or in Cancun, Brown is criticize for not scoring 30pts a game, but again he is doing that while most of the NBA players are at home....he is being penalized for actually playing better than 99% of the NBA because he has been going far into the playoffs.
19 is definitely not better than 20-25, cool vid tho
He’s the best scorer out of everybody in the 20-25 range and he’s at worst the Third best offensive player from those people and he’s not a defensive liability. Him underperforming in 3 out of the 5 finals game is making people in the comments question his placement and know one is questioning dame’s placement with the underwhelming year he had.🤔
shouldve been 25-30 range. Others are better. 💯
@@mow1537 “others are better”, without providing any reasoning is actually funny.
wemby is better both sides can fit any style nothing is safe inside, unfit dame is equal to "great" season kyrie on stats and even on giannis games he attracts doubles made it easy for giannis not the case for luka, haliburton okay ky better, trae still gets 18 10 per night better playmaker even on nights dejou ball dominating. Now stop glazing you kinda funny
@@mow1537 some of the stuff you said isn’t even true😂, you said Wemby is better on both sides of the ball, kyrie was undoubtedly better offensively than Wemby and Kyrie was just objectively better than dame this season. How is backing up my takes on kyrie with stats, and making observations with the eyetest glazing🤦♂️, this generation is cooked with everything being considered as glaze and this (pause) and (no diddy) bs 😂.
Weby getting disrespected 😤
Fox is a better scorer then Kyrie and a better defender........its because he plays in Sac that he gets no respect. until he wins in the playoffs he will never get the respect he deserves. although i dont know if this list is for the the regular season or if the playoffs matter here
He’s definitely not a better scorer, I’ll give you the defense although I don’t think the gap is that big.
Wemby is Top 10 already, and probably Top 5 by the end of next season, he’s better than AD at everything but post scoring and AD is a Top 10 player, stop looking at his whole rookie season, because since they moved him to Center and started a real point guard he became a different player, since December he averaged like 23/11/4/2/4 on 60%ts, and he is better than Gobert on defense who also have some flaws, and Wemby shot blocking and ability to guard 2 players at the same time, just these 2 things alone are so valuable and impact the game so much that i don’t care if he is miss positioned 2-3 possessions per quarter … You put Wemby on the Lakers they win the chip, he’s so much better than AD as a playmaker already, and already a better defender, shooter and lob treat, like i said he is literally better than AD, he has Porzingis height and shooting+ AD lob finishing and defensive versatility+ KD handles … He’s a Top 10 player easy, AND HE’S CLUTCH AND A GREAT LEADER ! Top 10 without a doubt
@@Anthonydu01630 I love Wemby but the AD disrespect is insane here 💀
If you want people to take you seriously, then learn how to use sentences.
Wemby is NOT better than AD already. I do think he's barely top 15-16 though. He was placed a little too low for this list, however, I think he could have been top 13/14 skill-wise by the end of the season. He improved massively from top 30 at the start to almost top 15 by the end. He's definitely getting into the top 10 next season.
Nobody ranked ahead of Trae or Jaylen is better than them 💀💀💀💀
Kyrie shouldn’t be on the list bro; worse than Trae and fox too he ain’t making no all nba teams
😂😂 lil bro is watching wnba
Kyrie is not better than Wendy OR Jaylen
Braincontrolled dumbass 😂😂
Great video and thank you for giving Jimmy Butler his respect!
Kyrie does not deserve to be top 20. Most of the guys below him are legitimately better at most or all aspects of the game.
This is actually a hilarious take😂, kyrie is one of the best 3pt point pull up shooters in the league, while also being on of the best catch and shoot players in the league, while also being all time in the midrange, and still being great at the rim when he gets there, while also being a good playmaker. He has less flaws offensively than all the players behind him especially as a scorer. One final series where he underperformed in 3 out of the 5 games doesn’t define him as a player.
@@abtocool6350bro is even the best finisher and the best handler too unfortunately there are to many casuals
@@illacrityvincent I had to defend kyrie like Crazy in the comments😂, the funniest part about this is the fact people were more mad about him being ahead of Jaylen brown then Damian Lillard being ahead of brown with the down year he had🤦♂️😂.
@@abtocool6350 people be watching the wnba and just and just seeing edits of people so they think they have ball knowledge 😂😂
I think kyrie should be much lower considering his disaster class in the finals and at the very least should be below JB (who thoroughly outplayed him in the finals)
you dont see anything problematic with judging a players entire season from one series?
@@brab1242 no, not when that is the most important series in the entire season and their impact through the regular season was comparable
@@benwatson4460 he is on one of the two teams that even made it to the most important series brother. you arent making any sense
@@brab1242 and how did he perform in the most important series?
Jimmy will get his ring this upcoming season
No he won’t LMFAO
Kyrie over Trae and dame comedy
No it’s not kyrie is better than both he’s borderline top 10
@@jamala3729 kyrie can shit himself in the playoffs every time and we’re supposed to ignore it, dude always gets the benefit of the doubt
@@playoffp2024one final series where kyrie was bad 3 out of the 5 games defining kyrie as a basketball player is actually hilarious, and its ironic because dame and trae are lowkey playoff droppers.🤷♂️
@@playoffp2024kyrie played great playoffs you just a dumb hater
Zion, Kyrie, and Wemby over fox and JB is wild
No its not lol. Zion is walking 60percent FG Athletic star, and constantly gives u 22+pts every season. and kyrie is superstar.
zion’s a walking 45 games a season and kyrie just shat the bed in the finals
@@sw-sh This video is assuming everybody is healthy, Tatum struggled in the finals too, and hes still a superstar.
Wemby is better than JB and fox lol. Zion and Kyrie (when healthy) are debatable.
Scottie barnes bet be on this list fn
@@1oobi bro what 💀💀💀
so
I can’t support Kyrie over Trae he’s such a great offensive floor riser + one of the best passers in the league for years now
Totally fair, I think Trae's a better #1 offensive engine!
@@HoopVenue Zion prop so I’ll let it slide
could go either way but I think the difference really is their playoff performances like Hoop venue said last video come playoff time Trae's physical limitations and lack on interior scoring effects him a lot in the playoffs and he has to rely on very difficult hard streaky shots and hoop venue showed a graph explaining how his scoring and efficiency would dip because of that, added to the fact he is a horrendous defender and walking liability on that end. Kyrie had a extraordinary playoffs this year and has always been known to show up in the biggest moments excluding Boston lol, and he is extremely clutch. He also did all of this with the ball way less in his hands. That timberwolves series decided it for me imo at least and he actually played decent defense for most of the playoffs and isn't as bad as trae, excellent rim scoring as we all know which Trae doesn't have, still good playmaking throughout the playoffs, and you could say he is a 3 level scorer. Well thats my 2pc the hawks are really in a mess this year so that could effect how we view Trae Young. Still a extraordinary player.
Way better defender
@@ididntaskverified3663 Kyrie isn't a good defender either
What gets Bam > Wemby? They seem pretty similar and I think Wemby is a little better defensively and is a better scorer, just not on last year's Spurs with no playmaking
my top 15:
1) luka
2) Jokic
3) giannis
4) embiid
5) sga
6) ad
7) ant
8) tatum
9) brunson
10) bron
11) steph
12) book
13) kd
14) Kawhi
15) mitchell
i’m sorry ant not better than tatum
@@Axel_2K Kawhi’s going to be much higher
Ant and ad over tatum is wild
My G, Tatum at this stage should NEVER be put anywhere outside the top 6 and Ant and AD shouldn't be near it.
@@narrow3601 Don’t think Tatum or Ant are Top 6 players. AD possibly. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who roots for the Celtics.
If you don't have Ja in there next video, we are gonna have a real problem
He didn't play last year.
How is Jimmy so low when he has two finals I no he was injured but damn
He is not great during tge regular season
@@LUC4Z3 he said one of his biggest factor is the playoffs tho
its for the season? why would past accomplishments matter
@@reallydoe2052 yeah, the regular season is also one of them
@@hazzabazza24 in the last video he did it for someone
Jimmy butler? lol this list is a joke
Based on your trends and what sways you historically I’m gonna guess the rest to be the following, this isn’t what I would make the ranking but I think it’s what you’ll put:
1. Jokic (strong mvp)
2. Giannis
3. Shai
4. Luka
5. Embiid
6. Steph (weak mvp)
7. AD
8. Kawhi
9. KD
10. Tatum
11. LeBron
12. Brunson
13. Ant
14. Mitchell
15. Booker (All-NBA)
@@adubis4567 Imma do you one better and go:
1. Jokic (strong mvp)
2. Embiid
3. Luka
4. Giannis
5. Kawhi
6. SGA (weak mvp)
7. Curry
8. AD
9. LeBron
10. Tatum
11. Ant (All-NBA)
12. Brunson
13. KD
14. Booker
15. Mitchell
@@ZachNguyen-vp7nz I think that’s a good prediction too tbh
Kyrie my favorite player nice to see someone give him his props
Its actually unfortunate that most of the people in the comments have a problem with his placement because of a final series where he underperformed 3 out of the 5 games.
@@abtocool6350 exactly like people don’t realize Boston is the best perimeter defense in a long time and Dallas was way outmatched in that series.
@@danielhorowitz4012 I would like to see if people complain about Booker when he gets ranked, just because he got locked up by the same defense Kyrie cooked.
@@abtocool6350 exactly bro good point. It’s a bit of recency bias but I feel a lot of ppl just view Kyrie in a negative light
@@danielhorowitz4012it’s actually wild 😂, in the regular season he averaged 25/5/5 on 49/41/90 splits on 60% true shooting and in the playoffs averaged 22/4/5 on 47/39/85 splits. He also averaged 26/4/5 on 64% true shooting in round one and averaged 27 on 58% true shooting in round 3 and people have a problem with his placement on the list, in the comments his placement is more in question then dame’s placement😂.
Kyrie got no business in the top 20
First
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@@HoopVenue Lillard that high and especially over Jaylen Brown is absolute garbage bs did you not watch this past season at all?
Bam over wemby?
Bam and a regressing Butler is not better than Wemby, no one will do that trade for either. And if Bam or Butler played for the Spurs, they won't be getting more wins.
The irrational wemby love. You can pin this, dude will have a career ending injury before 25 idk why anyone would pretend a gangly 7'4 dude is going to end any other way.
Kyrie over Jaylen Brown after that series is legitimately indefensible
Yes it is Jalen brown has a way better team so the defense isn’t putting all its focus on him and kyrie played well all playoffs just had a bad shooting series against Boston it happens sometimes he misses shots he normally makes and the spacing was bad you’ll see when the mavs win the 2025 title and kyrie wins finals mvp
@@jamala3729Was with you till that last statement, if the Mavs win the title Luka is definitely winning FMVP
The only thing jaylen does better is play defense and kyrie not even a bad defender
Kyrie is significantly better on offense. The better playmaker, the better shooter, the better ball handler, and the better shot creator. Brown also works with the best spacing in the league in a true 5-out lineup while Kyrie has to share the court with Gafford/Lively and DJJ but still made it work. Kyrie literally shoots in the mid-range at 51.4%. Just to put that into perspective, Dirk Nowitzki’s best 2 year stretch in the mid-range only hovered around 50%. He’s shooting at an all-time efficiency in the mid-range, still one of the best pull up 3PT jump shooters in the league while also being a great ball handler. I’d only say that Brown is the better finisher due to his size and athleticism and better defender but in every other department Kyrie is just significantly better than him.
Playing better in one series doesn't make you better than someone else overall