Elphelt Valentine Basic Guide (Guilty Gear Strive)
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- čas přidán 17. 07. 2024
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An introduction to Elphelt Valentine, Guilty Gear Strive's latest DLC character. In this video, I go over her strengths, weaknesses, moveset, early strategies and combos you can use if you're interested in playing the character.
0:00 - Intro
1:02 - Strengths
2:23 - Weaknesses
5:02 - Normals
13:37 - Air Normals
15:15 - Special moves
17:10 - Chain Lollipop (How to use it and counterplay)
24:42 - Simple Combos and Setups (and grenade discussion)
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All I learned from this Elphelt guide is Sol is truly esports
Sol Badguy
I just wanted to mention, I saw it in Churara's "how to play against Elphelt" video, that the 1frame gap on "up high" is only possible if you block LOW on chain lollipop. if you are blocking standing the overhead is gapless. I tested it myself as well and found that this is the case.
Thank's for the video, I've been enjoying your Baiken a lot also!
I picked this game up yesterday, I know absolutely nothing, this definitely helps some
Also, what is frame trapping?
@@terrestunicorn3782when you do a move that puts you in advantage after block or hit. So that your next move will come out faster than any other move from your opponent. So your opponent must block or they get blown up
Most moves are a frame trap on hit that's why you usually don't attack after getting hit. Only a few moves are a frame trap on block, you gotta research it but every character has it.
Command grab super is useful when opponent has been conditioned to low block after entering rekka. Rekka (blocked) > command super > fS > 5H > 214K > whatever follow ups for emotional damage
U can also do 2K > 214H to crossup the bomb (they can surely dp or AA tho, I have yet to test thoroughly) and then you have a high/low (jS or 2K) left/right (after the bomb you're on the other side, air shoot crosses back again or just back dash and j.k) mixup
Actually if your opponent just even block your cS without FD and stays still anticipating fS or 5H or 2H, you can do Bombniere on cS recovery. On the spot. You won't even need to microdash.
I didn’t expect her to be this fun lmao,plus that theme is too good.
Facts
Great video, as always thanks for sharing your knowledge
I love Lordknight videos :)
I could hear the teeth grinding when the grenade section started lmao. Thanks for the video though, I picked the game back up when she dropped and it's good to know what works while relearning the game.
Honestly she might be the most fun character in this game
But.. grabs
@@PinePizzaas a Pot main. She has my respect. You can Kara her command grab and she likes to Oki me from the air so she eats a lot of my wakeup HPBs.
She also dies to Heat Tackle a lot.
@@PinePizza she has a command grab super
Sol badguy
Zato
28:58 that’s really good know.
Ty LK for the breakdown.
Hell yeah. Just picked her up and loving her
Marionette was an amazing theme but you'd die too fast to hear the best part. Extras is on a whole new level of amazing this shit is fire and is the best theme in Strive.
Easily bro, EASILY!
Die too fast to hear mirah carey
Defo easily top 5 for me. Didn't like it when the trailer dropped but the full song changed my opinion for once
I would've agreed with you easily, but they dropped Just Lean and that mf is an absolute banger.
9:11 DUDE, ARE YOU SERIOUS??? I’VE BEEN GUNFLAMING WHEN I HIT 5H ON BLOCK THIS IS SWEET
Her Bomb super is fun to play around with. Especially if you land a wild assault on a grounded opponent it will actually catch the opponent. As for options after landing it. That is the one thing I am trying to figure out. HS to HS works then it explodes. I think you can get a 2HS after landing the grab.
fS > 5H > 214K (explode), 6H > Choco > whatever shenanigans
Thanks LK 😁
Just got back into GG. Here for the match up knowledge
Idk if this is common knowledge or not (i don't see anyone, dustloop included, mentioning this), but since each rekka followup is technically a special, inputting the dmg super (632146H) will automatically kara cancel into it if you're already in the rekka
yeah it was found after I recorded, there's a lot going on there
@@LordKnightfgc I see. It was almost the first thing I tried when I got to try her XD
thankls for the guide!
any tips how you convert j.P hits when you air to air?
1:09 first thing I noticed too, it felt nice having speed like that again after ram's was nerfed
thanks LK
Great guide. Question: my friend and I were trying to land the timing from jH to cS, but we found we couldn’t do it unless we mashed it out. I think that method’s inconsistent because cS could turn into fS (which makes the combo drop), so is there a timing between or before jH that I need to be aware of in order to land cS correctly?
If you're talking about just after the bomb hits, most of the times you can just not use j.H and go directly to c.S
After bomb hit I usually just j.S -> c.S -> 2s -> rekka
Ima focus on learning motions and timings before anything here
You mention that c.S->5H can always be 6P'd, but when I tested this against a sol set to 6P/DP on block, nothing comes out until after 5H. It's airtight as long as you don't add any delay when cancelling, so c.S->5H works as a way of getting into rekka, though FD on both hits will make rekka whiff.
Yeah, 5H and 6H are the safe rekka starters, though I doubt anyone could react with 6P 100% of the time.
Good to know FD does something as well
Yeah I misspoke a bit, it's gapless but if you even leave a 1f gap you can use 6p.
Merciiiiiiii👍
Wth I watched this hoping for tips on the command grab super😂 Great break down LK👍👍
Hey there,not LK here,but here’s what I found (so far)
I’ve mostly used it in the scenario doing rekkas “oh this guy is just blocking, I’m gonna reset the loop and hit him with it”
In the corner your opponent is gonna explode anyway so after hit you could f.s,5h,5h follow up.
From mid-screen
F.s,5h,214k,6h,214h,j.h,6h
Against the corner I didn’t find much yet, so it’s just better to side switch and get corner
F.s,5h,214k,dash,C.s,2s,2h,214k
I’ve used this move 2-5 times today over 40+ Matches.
Not to say it’s bad, it’s just too early people are just getting hit by the rekkas so you don’t really need it.
@@hayden3732against the corner you can do 236236K > fS > 5H > 214K > (bomb explodes) > side switch high hit cS > 6H > 214H > jH ws.
Haven't labbed it, it's something I'll look at in a week or two when I build her out more
I bet that command grab super is fun to throw into your rekka
Is Chain Lollipop a reference to Lollipop Chainsaw?
Kara command grab super is funny
re: "ESports Sol" - the worst part about this patch is having to listen to Sol players talk about how he's useless for the 16th time since this game launched...
Why whiff 5p before going into 214H?
How do you make 5s come out after 214s. I see people doing the normal 5s after 214s instead of the rekka reset
Delay it a little bit and it will come out
You need to wait until you recover from the rekka starter/reset, otherwise you'll get the rekka version
This is so well made, wish we had one just like this for basic baiken in season 3
I love this character but I feel like they need to adjust her frame data ever so slightly. A lot of her frame data shows that she's slower than most, or that she's rather all over the place.
I think they were afraid to give her good frame data because of the rekka.
This character is so braindead, I love it. Can't believe they released two characters back to back that I want to main. But all these mirrors are a bit frustrating, because their mix is better than mine. Anyone know what she does against grenadevault spam?
Can someone please 🥺 explain the Gatling system and what goes into what?plz
General rules:
- P/2P goes into "Command Normals" (ex. 6K, 6HS) and Specials
- K/2K goes into Command Normals, Specials, and Dust (both 5D and 2D)
- c.S goes into f.S, 2S, HS, Command Normals, Specials, and Dust
- f.S goes into HS, Specials
- 5D doesn't combo, 2D goes into Specials
- Everything except Specials goes into your Super
An example "Gatling Combo" would be c.S->f.S->HS->Special
Once you get the hang of it, combos just flow together
Edit: im a bit wrong, just have fun and work it out tho ❤
Punch into slashes
Kick into 2D (sweep)
Then command normals the forward input like 6p
Then specials.
I'm a Tekken player but this logic has worked for me, punch to punch, kick to kick
@@cameronrramos I didn't pay that much attention but LK doesn't usually explain basic GG mechanics in his DLC tutorials.
I didn't here him explain RC on Johnny's for example
@@cameronrramosthey didn't ask about the characters bnb, they asked about the gatling system in GG
What arcade stick are you using? Can you tell me please?
Damn character just came out and i already hate playing against her
I picked her up just yesterday but I have massive issues with taking back my turn, especially against other hyper aggressive characters like Gio. Is there anything I can reliably use when I'm getting pressured? Right now it feels like I either have burst or die which usually leads to me losing quite badly.
The safejump off of throw doesn't seem to work for me unless I'm doing it on Ky. It just barely doesn't work.
I like the fact that someone is finally acknowledging that Guessing Games do exist.
Many try to sugarcoat guessing games and claim it is about "reading" or "reacting" calling it "mixups".
The truth is that most of the guessing games are not readable because even the players may not know what they themselves are going to press next sometimes.
Yeah this is a big issue with fighting games in general, not sure how you solve it. Like how do you solve this type of RPS pressure as a game designer without making a character really slow or really unsafe?
Saying that, I think this is a unique issue with this character and how easy it is to execute. If the barrier to this "mix" was a bit higher it wouldn’t be so bad imo.
@@cameronrramos
It wouldn’t be so bad if the situation was really RPS, but the thing with Strive is that it is more of a RP without S.
A real RPS should give you an outcome of Win, Lose and Draw.
For Strive, the outcomes are mainly only Lose or Draw for the defending side most of the time. It’s more like mainly “Guess correct = go back to neutral, Guess wrong = big damage AND you have to guess again until you guess right”.
In other words, the risk-reward is generally unbalanced. The offensive side generally takes a lot less of a risk if the opponent guesses correctly.
It’s mostly an issue once people get into close range which I guess is where the mix word comes into play. This is generally fine I think because the neutral is genuinely fun and requires a bit of thinking but yeah, blocking in strive is pretty suffocating and this character specifically highlights all the issues with it from a player / fun perspective.
If the pressure doesn’t feel (and is, lets be real) as cheap as it does here it wouldnt be so bad @@raywing00
@@cameronrramos
To be fair she is not the only character with this kind of guessing pressure.
Millie, Ino, Leo, Anji, Sin, Chipp etc all have similar instant overhead guessing games.
Personally I don’t find her any more or less “cheaper” than the other characters.
I think balancing has to be worked in the area to equalize, or at least heighten, the risk on the offensive side, or tone down the rewards, instead of snowballing it.
An RPS can only be RPS only if it is fair for both sides. Otherwise it wouldn’t be an RPS.
Can’t disagree with any of that @@raywing00
I'm boutta (about to) redownload GGST on PC just to buy Elphelt DLC, recolor her to make her look like Amy Rose. Edit her trying to marry my Ky Sonic Mod.
I never got around to uploading my mods of adding all the Sonic Characters
- Nago as big the cat cause katana = fishing rod and he's big
- chipp as Miles Tails Prower cause spin and rope tails
- Axl as (knock knock it's) Knuckles cause his weapons remind me of knuckles hands that are sharp and dig into you. He also has long hair.
- Ram as rouge cause float and bats
- giovanna as Cream and Cheese (for the partner Wolf)
- glodlewis as Eggman (obviously. Machine and big)
- shadow I already made with the Ky Sonic Mod pack
I could go on but the point is is that I should probably finish them and upload it on gamebanana
Sol is esports.
Considering her mixups being cool like Milia's, would you EVER find yourself playing this character seriously after years of hate lol
if she's broken we do what we must
Her mixups ain't on the level of Millia's lol.
I'm so glad she's 'easy', picking up new characters is a nightmare for me and I'm already having fun with her after just sitting in training mode and not learning any combos. As a ratty zoner player, I'm sure she's not the BEST fit... but I like being weird
GYATTTTT
My litteral wife her scream is sooo fkn raw
You wish.
HOW DO I BEAT THE REKKAAA AHHHHH
You just punch the rekka that comes after the low or overhead one. Before that it's a short guessing game but you can avoid some damage if you see through the pattern quickly. Sometimes easier with perfect block but not necessary.
Aside from that, deflect shield is your friend and jumping out before it even starts is too.
Hotashi made a video on it
tldr is to just 5P it bro lmao
yes it’s dumb and bad design but what you going to do
Spam invincible reversals
@@cameronrramos Do not do that, for the safety of your healthbar.
I have a feeling she'll be obliterating floor 9 😬
6P also happens to be reminiscent of sgP, even if only in animation. same for most of her normals; 2K, 2S, 2H, 5H, and 5D Held.
also Nailed It! is sgH. ngl, kinda think Shotgun would have been easier to deal with as Nago though; I've had a really hard time finding safe tools against it except for a lucky 2K/2S (you still trade the hit for the most part though) or 5/2P spam if El starts it from point blank.
Shotgun is an ender (assuming without meter), just block it and go back to neutral.
As Axl main gotta lab this chick hard those rekkas are killing me lol
hope this character is fun to play she doesn’t seem like she has much depth though
Play asuka or bed for depth, I'm happy I can mash and have fun
You say that now, wait until the crazy bomb super set ups get discovered 😂, or some crazy grenade mixups, give her time
@@GreatRaijin as a tekken player, her jump low high, seems crazy.. I'm sure there's other characters that can do that stuff, seems so easy to be overwhelming
Not much depth is a fact. Still fun, but yeah.
unfortunately, like shotgun, her rekka has a lot of stuff built into it ;;
weird you didn't mention 5h hitbox
he did. He said it's huge and gets low profiled.
I hate chain lollipop
I love her, she's very cute, but after seeing her kit I don't think I'll come back to strive just for her...I'm pretty sad. Not saying she's weak, but her defense department is...well I know i'd get absolutely destroyed.
Bruh her offense is extremely fk up. Skill issue if your complaint is a characters low defense if she has extremely good offense. Fighting games aren't for you tbh
@@devilcwesker5980shut up bro
It's called "balance". (Although that doesn't exist for some characters...)
@@devilcwesker5980you are not allowed to have preferences in fgc
@user-cc3ef7qh1x its not even preference.
This person wants a character with extreme offense with good defensive tools. What you call "preference " I call bad game design.
She has everything except when she's in the corner. That's why she's so fun, she can be played in manys ways. I've played against the most campy and most monke Elphelts. And her normal attacks are just way too good. A rushdown with massive hitboxes, great projectiles, and the best rekka mix of all time?
Strive is unbalanced as hell lol
Best rekka mix? I think that goes to chipp
Bro said best rekka mix when you can just 6P her if she uses certain normals into the flip.
If they cs 5hs you can 6p between, if they go into lolipop you 5p
If they cs / 2H into lolipop or chocolatte its a free 6p.
She can only safely go into lolipop off 5hs or 6hs but 6HS even after cs is dumb slow, free 6p.
You dont have to deal with her mix because her ability to start it sucks.
Her grab game into grenade oki on the other hand is legit strong.
you must be a god if you can genuinely consistently punish the rekkas or think the startup is free via 6P. cooked comment otherwise, especially if youve been watching footage of the top players against it @@hakumenx1
@@Aaron0000014 The fact you can reset the rekka by not completing the full sequence makes Elphelt have the better rekka
@@wits_end. If your opponent is asleep maybe
Playing a few matches against her, immediately getting annoyed and not having much fun playing against her tbh.
I feel like we're gonna look back on this in a few months and all the charm of her debut is gonna be gone lol.