5 Reasons Why You SHOULDN'T Buy The Alienware QD-OLED Monitor
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- Before you buy the Alienware AW3423DW, we outline 5 use case scenarios not suited for the QD-OLED monitor. Get Surfshark VPN at surfshark.deals/HDTVTest - Enter promo code HDTVTest to get 83% and 3 extra months for FREE!
0:00 Unusual subpixel layout
1:10 Use case #1
2:34 Use case #2
3:08 Use case #3
3:50 Use case #4
6:04 Use case #5
7:46 Best settings
9:02 Fan noise?
9:46 vs 42-inch LG C2
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"Not the first time something's improved by making it bigger and thicker." - HDTVTest
HDTVTest presenter regularly makes remarks like these... I can imagine the inner child giggling whenever he says those comments. :) ...
@@arditm2178 That was take 17
HDTVTest, come for the technical expertise, stay for the dry but hilarious jokes.
he really made that joke, and didn't crack as much as a grin afterwards, fucking gangster
he ain't wrong, i can think of 5 examples right away
This is the type of information only experts like you can provide. Thank you.
Unlike quantum tv🤣🤣🤣
what about the previous video about the monitor? the title was.... best pc monitor period! it's another shitty product with more advertising than quality.
@@andreistein2429 pc >>>gaming
@Andrei Stein: Name us another monitor with better picture quality for PC gaming. We'll wait.
Definitely a dealbreaker, as even reviewers here in Germany mentioned these issues two weeks ago with the first review models being sent by Samsung. Hard to understand how you can release tech like this nowadays.
The only reviewer worth watching so far. The other tech tubers have mostly been useless.
I'd say Hardware Unboxed is worth as well, if you're interested specifically in monitors and also gaming characteristics.
I came here to say Hardware unboxed also but those 2 are head and shoulders above the rest.
@@AniRayn I like Hardware Unboxed, but I feel like most of their display/monitor reviews are for people more interested in esports games as they heavily emphasize response times and latency measurements when elaborating on their results. I understand that those are important metrics to game, but not everyone is looking for the most competitive edge at all times, many do just want great picture quality with still pretty good latency.
For that reason, they seem really not interested in reviewing 4k devices as much, since it isnt necessary for competitve gaming. Id say its a channel for a different demographic
that's all the lcd wasteland is good for, not really tim's fault, when more monitors like this show up I'm sure he wont spend half the video on ghosting
Techtesters does good work as well.
The choice of anti-reflective measures really baffles me here. Gray blacks are literally contradicting the main benefit of oled.
Excuse me, it's purple blacks not grey blacks,
Joking aside, this is a strange sight to see on an oled, a cut corner like this is enough to keep me away from this display
I hope this is just a peculiarity of this particular display model and not an actual limitation of qd oled
Same. The whole reason I buy OLED is because of the perfect black levels. If it has a stupid antiglare layer that turns gray when light disperses on it then I'm not buying it.
@@chriss6356 Actually the antiglare works exceedingly well and is not an issue.
I have a Philips hue lamp about 4m behind me and the way it disperses the light is fantastic, you can hardly see any reflection. It doesn't make the monitors blacks look grey or purple unless there is an extreme light shone on it.
In which case the reflections of such light would be more problematic than a raised black level and at least with this anti glare you can still use your monitor in that scenario.
In normal room lighting the blacks are inky black. Non issue and I'm more than happy with the anti glare coating on this screen.
Oleds have black crushing, so oleds aren't perfect anyway. nothing is.
@@Flam3h On video it's not like that, he only turns on/off the light in the room and you see blacks turning to gray. And I wanted to switch my Oled to this one, not anymore, cannot go back to grays in some conditions.
Upcoming 42" C2 vs Alienware QD-OLED comparison video will be one of highlights of 2022 in tv/monitor space, cant wait ...
I feel like 42" is still to big
It's an easy choice for all PC gamers, 175hz and more nits is the obvious choice over 120hz
@@scofozo Not necessarily, The QD monitor is Ultra wide when many games are not supported for that aspect ratio creating black bars while gaming. Plus is not 4k its ultra wide 1440p , so lower resolution than the 4k Oled. The 175k Hz mode won't also be used all the time as it affects HDR lowering the color depth to 8 bit from 10bit when at 175hz so you would mainly be using 144.
@@madac219 you don't need hdr or 4k, the unmatched lack of ghosting for oleds alone is worth forgoing hdr, 4k, and maybe even higher hz monitors, 21:9 is actually supported in many if not all games now and gives a tactical advantage in them, elden ring, destiny, cod, wow, & lost ark support it just to name a few, I see replies like this often, and I think the only downside of this monitor is that it isn't 240hz+, but even so, this thing has the fastest pixels in the world, eliminating ghosting completely, unlike leds at 240hz+, it might be worth the trade for that reason alone, then add the tactical advantage of a 21:9 and it's almost a sure bet that this thing is gonna be atleast considered at a pro level
C2 Vs alienware QD-oled Vs neo C8
still by far the best monitor review channel, i just love your technical and concise reviews. oh and another point: i bought the b9 after your reviews and i had to wait about 2 years for 120hz 4k and it finally came!
Next time spend a few extra hundred for a C series model.
B series has worse value in terms of price to performance.
Thank you for posting and your time. Great info. Other CZcamsrs don't go into such great detail as you do. Great job.
Would love it if you could do a follow up with the DWF model! Specifically for colour accuracy, there’s a lot more control for calibration now. Thanks :)
Really good points. It makes me feel a bit better about waiting to see what else becomes available. I have a very bright room and do a lot of productivity work on my monitor.
I just love the sexual innuendo/double entendre used with the subtle bell. Cracks me up every time!! Keep up the good work!
Great informative video once again. I'm excited for your take on Sony A95K! Looking forward to it.
That direct comparison video will likely determine my next monitor. Looking forward to it!
For me 42" C2 all the way, 4k is the way to go
@@abdulhfhd Basically as long as you mount it to the wall your in good shape.
Me too ! can also use a 2nd monitor for work / non gaming.
I will wait for ASUS - MSI - Gigabyte and more, for their models that will come around second half this year.
Thank you Vincent. That Was exactly the Test which i waiting for!!
Right to the point, and with timestamps. Top tier information and presentation.
I would love to see text clarity addressed on most reviews and please include macOS too. In my experience mac users are pretty active in high end monitor market.
Thanks for the best and most informative reviews on the internet!
But end the torture, release the C2 comparison video already. :D
This ^
Thanks very much for making this. I was on the page to buy the AW3223DW and then thought "hmmm I should check if HDTVTest has anything about this first." I'm still probably going to buy it because it fits my use case well, but I'm very thankful to have my expectations set more accurately.
I highly doubt you actually said that and came directly to this dudes channel.
I just got mine yesterday. I loaded visual studio (C++) and eclipse (Java) on it and had absolutely no problems with the text rendering. I had to put my nose nearly up to the screen and drag the window back and forth between the aw3423dw and an LED to even see the slight difference the fringing caused. I wouldn't even know to look for it/be bothered by it if I wasn't told to.
As a professional and hobbyist programmer, I would 100% have no problem doing coding on this monitor. If anything, the true blacks work well with my dark theme habits to minimize eye strain.
Thanks! Helpful info!
thanks ! i think i fall into the same user type as yourself
People will always complain no matter what. I am buying this monitor tomorrow.
@@anthonbakkalian2352 is it good?
Amazing technical breakdown of current issues! Other reviewers out there are too busy gushing about it with only vague information already printed on on the side of the box.
I was eyeing this monitor, but I think I will wait for the 42-inch C2 instead. Mostly because of the console issues. Thank you for your in-depth videos.
The anti-glare coating or whatever it is that causes the blacks to be gray is brutal. Hard pass on this monitor.
did LG C2 fixed the color bleed issue in older LG OLED?
@@moreuse What color bleed issue?
@@drelephanttube I think he could mean black crush. Personally I haven't noticed any major problems with my C1 or CX but I'm just a casual gamer/movie watcher.
C2 won't have the new panels on the first batches
thank you for your awesome in depth information. So well explained. It's so hard to find the right monitor....
Great info. I was thinking about getting this monitor, glad I watched this first.
Thank you for providing this excellent informative video. Saved me so much time!
watching this as my 38 is on it's way and have no regrets. Thank you for this great find
Nice video as always Vincent. What speakers are those shown with the monitor?
I just got my monitor today, and I can notice the subpixel layout (and see the green, blue, and red) bleed through at the edge of black text on stark white layout, but besides that the subpixel layout is a non issue. The issue with text is also greatly mitigated when using dark mode.
Thank you excellent review greatly appreciated 😄🥰
Thank you for telling me about this. I am a stickler for text and clarity
Amazing video and information! Very helpful.
Thank you for pointing this out. You guys are the best. 👍
I check for reviews on this monitor every now and then, but only one channel makes me instantly click over all others
thanks for the hard work
Thank you for this honest and professional review!
Easily THE man for Monitor and TV reviews. One of the main reasons I went for my LG CX TV is because of the HDTV test review
In search of a high quality monitor and came to this, thanks for all this info.
Hitting the sub now. ;)
I'm guessing that the subpixel arrangement maximises the size of the RED/GREEN sub-pixel while keeping the pixel mostly 'square'. This may be to compensate for the desired brightness contribution of each subpixel to the energy emitted as a function of its area.
The reason the subpixels are laid out differently is because quantum dots re-emit their own light, they do not filter through a substrate like LCD. As such, they cannot be the same size, they must be scaled properly to emit the same amount of energy. Blue light has the highest energy per photon, green 2nd most, and red the least. This means you must emit the proper ratio of RGB light from each subpixel in order to get equal brightness and proper white balance. This can only be done by scaling the subpixels on an OLED monitor because again there is no filter. On an LCD screen, you can just block more light from the blue and green colors to match the brightness of the red output. Thus if you used the same stripe pattern on an OLED, you would get a weird sideways triangle of stripes that would throw off the white balance and severely limit the overall brightness of the monitor. By arranging the pixels in an equidistant triangle pattern and scaling the size of each subpixel, you can get a proper and balanced blend of red, green and blue light that gives you a perfect white balance.
Thus the weird pattern and odd scaling of each subpixel.
Thank you for this. I though SDR didn't allow creator mode, but it's because I pressed up or down like you said.
Thanks Vincent, Mines coming today. Cant wait to play with 0.1ms pixel reponse times
Thanks for the info , was/am locking for a monitor with rly good contrast ratio for programming.
Thank you SO very much!!!
Aside from the Mac Studio Display... What might you recommend for the Apple Mac Studio computer?
Thank you for taking this up after my link to the German article in your initial review.
Great analysis as always, Vincent!
CAN'T WAIT FOR THE COMPARISON VIDEO!
4:06 I've seen comparison of standard OLED and QD-OLED....they ALL do this. It's most likely not going to be noticeable to many people.
Thank you Mr. Vincent crate work can you please do the same type of review for the Samsung QD TV?
Thanks for this video, non of the other reviews pointed out the severe problems with this monitor.
This is quite the critical information that nobody else talks about. All these things would be really nice to know before a purchase. Great video.
looking forward to the comparison video
Thank you for talking about the coating and verify it's exactly what I saw. I though it look gray compare to the black border. This is a deal breaker for me. Black have to look black at all time.
What was the model of that alienware monitor again? 🤔 Lol super informative as usual. Appreciate the dedication
Thanks for the information. I am getting a new system with a 4090 GPU and was seeking to upgrade my Dell 27" U2715H - 1440 resolution monitors and thought the Alienware AW3423DWF or AW3423DW would be good upgrades, but this doesn't look to be the case. My guess is I should go with a 4K monitor but I have no idea where to start.
excellent content, thank you for this!
I love how you always say the full model name of the Alienware AW3423DW. I am looking forward to see the comparison of 42 inch C2 and Alienware AW3423DW. (edit: I failed)
Well he always used to say "It's a mouthful"
thank you for this content. subscribed.
Could you please review Samsung G9 VS AW3423DW? They are closer competitors than most comparisons out right now.
This video helped me make a big decision and really take a step back because console HDR and 4k is priority as well.
THANK YOU!
For me I don't think it will be an issue at all. And even less so on the TV 4K version S95B or A95K for that matter.
The text would have to be really big to notice the fringe at top and bottom of the letters. I saw another video that showed example and the text was zoomed in and HUGE in size. Like 25x larger than normal. Even then I could just see a hint of the green on top and red at bottom with white text on black.
Maybe text could be blurrier, but I chalk that up to it being 1440p as the biggest reason.
The gray blacks under light are similar to the plasma issue, only a little bit inverted, since with plasma you needed a black coating to prevent phosphorus from getting greenishly bright in the light, while here you need to remove the coating?...or possibly the Quatnum dot layer gets excited by the light in the room and puts out its own light (yes, Quantum dots are self-emmissive when excited by light) and perhaps there is actually no "black trinitron" 🙂coating on the monitor to prevent this...Vince, can you please investigate further?
This is exactly what I needed to see! I was considering this monitor for work from home productivity. I guess I'll stick with my 32 inch 4k Asus.
waiting for the next video :)))) THX!
I just bougght mine for my multimedia needs. Movies, Games, You Tube. It is the best monitor I have owned in 20 years.
That final "click here", ah damn in progress :) You always have me on the edge of my seat for the next video. Great job again, thanks.
Hello! Is there going to be a calibration video for this monitor? Mine just arrived and I would love to get the most out of this display! Thank you!! :)
When comparing two fonts it would make more sense to show both at the same time imo, makes it a lot easier to check for differences.
Thanks for this review Vincent .I was thinking the AW3423DW would be a good choice as a gaming monitor and a photo editing monitor. Now I don't
i waited for this video, thanks!
If this first iteration of QD-OLED gets Best in Class, then I'm pumped for other models to come out. I wonder if LG is sticking with WD for now, or will they catch up and release a QD monitor?
Aaaaand they stook to WOLED...well at least Samsung released the S95B.
Long time listener first time commenter. Would the C2 42” be a better option for consoles with the limitations on this monitor? Thanks in advance
Would appreciate you take on the dell 27 & 32’ with the new 2000:1 ips black panel from lg. I’m not so concerned about responsiveness, more pixel density for productivity and decent black and colour purity for design work. i tried an asus proart 27” ucx but found the local dimming distracting and this Alienware monitor also doesn’t sound ideal for creative work with price and availability also an issue
Hi, Which one between the Alienware QD OLED and LG C2 would you suggest to buy as a productivity monitor? I prefer flat monitors and never used curved before but What prevents me from leaning towards buying the LG C2 as monitor are the higher risk of burn in with no warranty protection and the higher input lag. Could you help me and give me your opinion, please? 🙏
Alienware period for a pc. It’s not close.
I guess the "grey blacks" are similar to the old CRT days? With the quantum dots behaving somewhat similar to those old phosphor materials when room light hits the screen?
I just tried AW3423DW side by side with a AW3821DW in a Dell showroom. I found the QD-OLED panel showing more coarse texts than the IPS panel. Thanks for explaining the reason!
Hey, I’m curious if you can explain a bit more the difference you perceived between the two? What do you mean by ‘coarse’? Was it bad?
@@tyler4267 'Grainy' might be a better descripiton than 'coarse' or 'blurry' (as in the video) for its text rendering. Like he explained in 0:50, there's no OS-specific sub-pixel rendering technique to accomodate the new layout.
Thank you! I just canceled my order!! What's another better option for mainly gaming and music production monitor? Thanks in advance!
thanks for canceling so i can get mine sooner
are you going to take a look at the samsung 21:9 QD-OLED G8 (their naming convention is a true nightmare) in regards of console gaming (also in PC gaming of course, i know, same panel but they probably added some of their own kinks)? the PS5 now offers VRR 1440p in beta, and i'm lost when it comes to the question of, if micro-HDMI to HDMI cables deliver the full bandwidth needed so that i can max out my PS5 and enjoy the perks of HDMI 2.1, aswell as getting the best possible 1440p PC experience.
thanks as always for the great informative videos. wish everybody would atleast answer the pending questions as to overall usability in more than one use case.
Excellent review. New to your channel.
Great info as always. I actually just ordered the updated version of this monitor. The AW3423DWF. I primarily use my home PC for gaming and watching movies and I think for that purpose, it should be excellent. It's supposed to arrive in a couple of days so I'll check back in with my opinions about it, just in case anyone who is interested in the monitor comes across my comment. I was aware of the text fringing issue that some people had spoken about before placing my order but I don't expect that to be a problem for me. Plus, since the newer DWF model allows for users to update the monitor's firmware, I think there's a chance that Dell may potentially be able to solve that issue and perhaps even a few more small issues with a software update.
Bro u can't fix the text/pixel color fringing by a software update.
It's happening because of the hardware, the pixels are pyramidal instead of being qubic as usual.
That's why I'm waiting for the second revision of Samsungs Panels.
@@MTheConqueror yea you’re right, there are software based options though. There’s a program called Mactype which replaces Microsoft’s default text rendering with a system that is completely user customizable. Including being able to cater to lots of different pixel layouts, very specific color shifting, etc. A lot of people seem to like it but honestly, I’ve had this monitor for several days now and I don’t have any issue with how it displays text. I’ve not thought about text clarity or fringing once since I actually started using the monitor. I think you’d have to be VERY particular about these things in order to be bothered by it. I never notice it at all. Text looks very clean and clear to me but if someone is really that particular about how crisp the text looks on their monitor, resolution is way more important than pixel layout. I’d tell them to just get a 4K monitor
I feel better now having ordered the s95b.
I also don't like curved monitors or matte anti glare , it limits viewing distance imho
I always use scaling that's based on 720p @ 100% (i.e., 1080p @ 150%, 1440p @ 200%, 2160p @ 300%, etc.) because that's when the Windows UI looks best, and I can use about the same font size everywhere, without UI text getting unbearably tiny and web page text getting enormously huge. It also makes the fonts better readable. 150% already brings about a significant alleviation.
A downside is having to arrange the task bar on the side rather than at the bottom since many programs are not designed to fit on a 720p screen (or anything scaled up from that). Users of 16:10 screens obviously do not have that issue, but most people use wider screens, like 16:9 or 21:9. Luckily, there is a program for Windows 11 called ExplorerPatcher that will bring back the Win 10 task bar.
And that's what i hate about larger UI scaling, cramped space. Even I still felt that on 1080p at 100%.
@@hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086
The fonts look really bad at 100%, very pixelated. 150% is really the minimum where fonts start looking nice.
@HDTVTest So I assume Qd-oled tv's will have the same color fringing? This can be fixed via software?If so couldn't a firmware update fix the issue?
I'm looking forward to the comparison video
Nice info thanks
Hope in the future this could be improve to use as a coding monitor. Great video Vincent!
Very good info, going to wait a little longer.
can you let us know what is the best monitors as of this date. For Photographers/Video as well as using it for games/TV shows. in the 30-40in range? OLED or better? Thanks in Advance!!!
Great analysis, would be nice to know what monitors fighting games players should get. Since those games are locked at 60 fps for balancing purposes. So the monitor that has the best black frame insertion at 60 hz would be the best (that's the thing we would like to know, what monitors have those qualities)
Get a decent 60hz monitor then? Duhh
The best option for fighting game players is a 1080p ultra low motion blur TN panel with backlight strobing and Nvidia Gsync. TN has inferior picture quality to IPS, VA, and OLED, but if it’s for competitive purposes input lag and ghosting are the chief concerns. This is why competitive FPS players choose these monitors.
I have long hated the font rendering on Windows, and use a program called MacType to improve it. I wonder if it will help to mitigate this issue.
Tnx for the review
Had a couple questions. First, would Dell be able to provide an update that would allow a higher SDR peak brightness? Also, would Microsoft be able to update Windows to compensate for the color fringing and text issues? Not saying either will be done, but just asking if it's possible.
Windows gives you an option in HDR settings to manually adjust SDR brightness while HDR is enabled.
I gave you the thumbs up about 5 seconds after the longer and thicker joke, as soon as I was finished chuckling. It's so silly but because of how professional your videos are makes it so much funnier.
the C2 vs alienware oled.... finally we got OLED for gaming, and competition.
Looking forward to that vide in progres.
What would recommend between QD OLED Alienware vs 42 inch LG C2? I use it mostly for browsing CZcams & watching Netflix and 10% gaming?
The subpixel layout causing blurred text I get, but honestly I use it as a work monitor, and after just a week of using it with just 100% (Recommended) set I seriously don't even think of the bleed around the text. It's perfectly fine for typing and I work in product management so use excel and other text based apps daily.
Console I couldn't care about less, if you have 1500$ to spend on a console monitor, there are certainly many cheaper and better options.
And the reflective coating is completely blown out of proportions when using it for work in light rooms. If I game, I don't play in full blazing lights anyway.
I recently got mine and I don't see any issue with text. I'm sitting about 20 inches (1 arm length away) and on windows 10. Text looks perfect to me. I asked my wife if she noticed anything odd about the text and she had no idea what I was talking about.
I came from a Samsung g9 neo before this and text looked worse on it. So if text is your only fear here I would not worry.
Thank you so much
I really like this tech but I'm not interested in wide /curved screen. Can't wait to get one with flat & normal 16::9 size QD-OLED monitor!
If only the LG C2 comes with 27"😪
I'm waiting for a 32" 1440p OLED/QD-OLED lol.
When he said AW3423DW, I really felt that
Great work sir!
When I zoom in to your "ClearType On" examples, I can not see that the edge pixels have different luminosities of the Red and Blue components.
Are you sure that ClearType really is enabled? Even if you had enabled it, perhaps it turned itself off anyway if the screen has identified its subpixel layout to be something else than horizontal-RGB in its VESA-EDID metadata. Can you extract that somehow and check?
Have you been able to find out if the C2 42” really has the new beryllium (?) type of panels like the larger ones or if it’s “old wine” relabeled?
Just got a paycheck today that was going to go towards this monitor... however that june delivery was a bust. Maybe other competitors will come out with their own QD oled soon that attempts to fix some of these issues.
I'll never buy a display again til I've seen it reviewed on this channel. Simply stellar work.
Could you test some cheap calibration tools, to calibrate an lg oled pretty accurate? Something like the best calibration tool under 150usd or sth like that 🙈
The coating on the monitor is only a problem if you have a light shining into it. If your light source is beside or behind the monitor then the monitor appears deep black.
So that is the solution, if possible to that issue.
Thank you for sharing, super helpful!
regarding to movie playback, can you at least adjust the aspect ratio for 16:9 content for say films shot in scope to fill the screen? Seems like a giant oversight considering there is 70 years worth of scope film content and dvd and bluray making letterboxed scope content ubiquitous.