HHO Dry Cell Production Problems (Installed in 97 Grand Cherokee)
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- čas přidán 17. 04. 2012
- A 31 plate (5 neutral) HHO Dry Cell I installed on a 97 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.2 Limited. Running roughly a 10% KOH to distilled water solution. (12tbsp to a gallon) Cell runs at about 16-18 amps once warm at 12 volts. I am only getting half of a liter per minute of hho production despite the cell being what I would consider fairly large. I cannot get any better production by hooking the cell straight to a 12v battery nor by making the solution more concentrated... If you have any suggestions please let me know.
I made a wet cell inside a big PVC tube a couple years ago and installed it into my 97 Vw Jetta gls 2.0. The cell had a total of 7 plates. Positive in the center. Negatives on each end. With 2 neutral plates in between. I liked to keep it running at about 17 amps. The production was very good and I never had an issue with the heat at all. I did have to space out my o2 sensor to make it not notice all the extra oxigen and throwing a code thinking it's running to lean. Once I got that figured out I gained 7 mpg. Plus it was fun to pull out the hose and bubble in Into soap and water for a bit then take a lighter to the bubbles and see people jump or hit the floor thinking they are getting shot at. Lol
I really like the way you fixed your plates together, no drilling or possibility of a shortage (with metal bolts ofc)
Hey everyone, thanks for all your collective input, but I have gone a slightly different direction with this Jeep. It's now heavily modified for off road use: lifted on 35" tires with a 6.4l v8 stroker soon to be dropped into it :P I still have this generator though, and plan on doing some improvements to the design and installing it into a 4 cylinder nissan altima to try and achieve some better results. I'll keep everyone posted if and when that happens!
What's that status on the new HHO Nissan Altima project ? I'd love to see whats new :)
Me too
I know all of this seems like a lot; but I really want to get this out there and get people to see the real potential of what HHO can do. I am almost finished with my 3rd year in my Batchular or Science in Aviation Science. I'm also a master automotive mechanic for both gas and diesel. I'm currently engineering a small airplane to make an HHO system for aviation application at high altitudes. I've been a pilot since 2007 finishing up my commercial rating to engineer and sell aircraft using only HHO systems for fuel.
Change your chemistry. Sulferic Acid is what I use. I'm running 180 amps. Battery acid is designed for electrolice with water. You require the proper number of electrons to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen.
Cross sand your plates.
Don't worry about the O2 sensor. Your computer will register a lean burn causing it to inject more gasoline and in turn you reduce the throttle. The O2 sensor is a variable resister which reacts to temperature. It doesn't register oxygen. The sensor sends to the computer a variation of voltage between 1.2 to 1.8 to dictate a lean or rich mixture.
Go to your electronic store and get yourself a variable resister, about 10 feet of wire. and a laser thermometer. Install the resister in the dash of the cab running two wires to your O2 sensor (you'll need 2 wires and 1 resister per O2 sensor. In your case you should have 2-3 O2 sensors). Next you need to find which of the wires is the return to the computer. O2 sensors can have between 1-4 wires. You must be careful to find the correct wire sending the return signal to the computer. In 3-4 wire O2 sensors have built in heater elements to allow the computer to switch from the MAF/MAP sensor to a closed loop O2 circuit. The Return signal will be a positive wire. These vary depending on application, but is usually white or brown with the negative being black.
Cut the return wire and splice the two wires from the relay into the two ends of the return wire. Repeat for the other O2 sensor. You can NOT put all O2 sensor on the same resister. If you do so you will damage the ECU and get error codes (check engine light).
The next step will be the tuning of the resisters. What you need to do is bring RPMs up to about 2K and then take a temperature reading from the exhaust manifold. It is of the most importance that the Right side is the same temperature as the left side. To better assist the proper calibration you'll need a small pressure regulator for your HHO to the engine; and you'll need a 1/4 to 3/8 ball valve linked up to the throttle. When you step on the gas the ball opens. When your at idle the valve is closed.
Once you change the chemistry and get wired up correctly you should be able to lean back to 100% efficiency. I eventually made one for my 99 dodge ram 4 door 4x4 dualy diesel 5speed OD, hauling doubles at 24K pounds. Diesels can only run 50% since we need the diesel oil to lube the top end of the engine along with injectors and the injector pump. I was tweeked out to 36MPG at 65 MPH moving 24 thousand pound at the CAT scale.
All in all you're on the right path. Make sure you upgrade your power supply because you'll fry the stock one since the rectifier is not going to be powerful enough (200 abilance alternator will do). If you follow my foot steps I increased the voltage to 120vac using an automotive inverter. Then I wired up a 20amp AC plug to 4 diods to convert the AC to 120v dc. You'll need about 90 plates to run at 100%. The system produces a lot more HHO and runs cooler reducing the stress on your electrical system. The amps depends on the number of plates and size. The more nuteral plates the better. Check the voltage accrost the plats. If you have too many plates the voltage will fall below 120. At that point you're asking too much of the power supply and should reduce the number of plates or cap the voltage so that it's consistent accrost the plates. Going 120v will require a water pump for carosive fluids to circulate the water through. Make sure you install the pump going from the tank to the HHO cell. You'll also need a separate return line back to the tank.
I took this one step further and machined a new head for a 12v electric air pump for car tires. The new head was required so that the intake of the pump could be fitted with a hose nipple. This will serve as a vaccume line. From you bubbler install the line to the vaccume nipple of the pump. The outlet of the pump should go to a second bubbler. The second bubbler will act as a small resevor tank if you ever need to mash the gas. You'll need that extra volume or you'll start sucking water. The converted air pump acts as a vaccume pump to lower the pressure in the HHO cell. This goes without saying that the system must be air tight. When you lower the pressure you cause the molecules to separate at a faster rate then at sea level pressure. The pump also acts as the means to ensure you have enough volume on demand in the secondary bubbler. Go to the spaw department of home depot and get a pressure switch. This can be manually calibrated to turn the HHO cell and air pump on and off based on the pressure at the secondary bubbler.
Without the vaccume pump I've only been able to get 24psi before the chemical reaction stops. Once you release the pressure the chemical reaction will continue. Remember psi is only relevant to the volume of the tank. The higher the pressure the higher the volume and increased engine response. 1psi at 1ft ^3= 1cubic foot of HHO. 24psi at 1ft^3=24 cubic feet of HHO. Remember safety systems are required to prevent detenation. Hydrogen under such low pressures is not going to do much damage until we get into the 300psi range. At that point the HHO can combust due to pressure without an external ignition source. If you're running a turbo like in my case with my diesel truck; I'm injecting the HHO at the intake manifold for best throttle response and drivability. To do this you must increase the pressure in excess to that of the turbo boost. A little positive pressure even on non-turbo engines works much better because it's injected into the engine when you need it, and save the gas when you don't need it. The regulator and ball valve combined act like a carborator ensuring consistancy. Without the regulator your HHO system will not consistently produce HHO causing sirges to the engine causing internal fatigue to the crank, pistons and connecting rods. If you can accomplish enough volume (about 6-8L per minute), you should be able to run nearly 100% HHO. My 74 F-100 runs on propane and with the 396ci burns about 7MPG at 65MPH. That being a starting point, you need about 1-2 LPM at cruse. To excelerate you'll need about 8-10 LPM. Remember the volume of fuel you'll need will be 4 times if you double your speed due to friction and drag of the vehicle.
I hope this was helpful.
I there a way of changing the voltage so all plates can be active and still work efficient
Kevin Martin. from an engineering perspective voltage is dictated by the surface are of your plates and the concentration of your solution. neutral plates are required to absorb the voltage and put it to use in the catalyst process. otherwise if you only use two plates as a cathode and annode you only made a discount water heater with little gas production for the energy used. using different frequencies at 120 volts has given me a lot of gas but a lot of waisted heat ie electricity.
my last experiment using sulfuric acid as my electrolyte; with about 20 2 inch washers mounted to 1/2" pvc pipe (caped at one end) encased with 2 inch pvc pipe. anode was mounted to the center of the 1/2" pvc to a steel pipe as the water inlet. cathode was the steel outlet pipe. note you have to cross drill the 1/2"pvc pipe on the inside of the casing to allow water and current flow. I also drilled 4 1/4" holes in the washers acting as neutral and wrapping electrical tape around the washers to make a tight fit with the outside case. this forces current and water to flow threw the neutral washer system.
my power supply was good old 120 v/ac from the house. I used 4 heavy diode to build a rectifier converting my power to 120v DC. then I wired a dimmer switch and ac plug to the input side if the rectifier and two output leads to my hho cell and my vom.
this configuration gave me a little more than 2L a minute. but at about 80 to 90 volts the unit got hot and started to short identified by the internal combustion in the cell. at such small volume this is safe as pvc is rated at an constant 80 psi. I found that in my pressurised system I had to keep the pressure in the cell below 18 psi aso production would slow; and at 24psi stop completely until I bled off pressure opening the injection valve.
at this point I started applying vacuum to the cell as this would drop pressure and increase hho production rate. this is because water boils at room temperature at 28 to 32 thousand feet. sea level pressure is 14.7 psi. of atmosphere. 0 psi at 30kft, water will expand and boil. the more we can expand the spacing between the hydrogens and oxygen atoms the less current you will require to make the same volume of hho. less resistance less current demand.
if you have the tech input two frequencies(one for hydrogen one for oxygen). these frequencies will trap their respective atoms and when phased to travel in opposite directions it will tear the h20 water into hh+o stabilized by the electrolys current. this is a combination of my aviation background and the Hutchison effect.
ps ideal water solution temp is between 80 and 100f. this caused me to preheat my solution chamber with a 1200 watt 120v hot water heating element from HD.
MushMaster
Mushmaster - This guy sounded really pissed off that his HHO gen is only doing .5 ltr per minute. You've given a really detailed and helpful explanation and he hasnt even said thanks ?
Can you repeat. That again please i got lost in cutting the wires
With that many plates you will need aprox: 40 amps. Reduce the number of plates and don't run the HHO back through your electrolyte, Use your bubbler as a dryer. If you do this your LTM will come up. Your creating to much restriction considering you are relying on vacuum from the intake to pull the HHO to the motor.
try adding more electrolytes until you reach more amps. also check the voltage output of the wire terminal that the generator is connected. and if all that dont work try reducing the amount of neutral plates. it helped me.
Nice job on the drycell and hook up.
Between negative and positive place three neutral! and you'll have at least 2 liters per min. Trust me on this one !
Have you tried having your outlet from the dry cell go straight to the bubbler? There is no benefit it going back into the tank. There is a huge space at the top of your water/electrolyte mix that the gas needs to fill before it goes to the bubble. This may be showing the smaller output when it could actually be producing quite a bit. The other problem with there being so much HHO gas in that container is the fire risk. Going straight to the bubbler with a flash arrester in front and after the bubbler would minimize the risk especially since it inside the car.
Have you tried having the water feeding in at the bottom of the generator and exiting the top at the other side ?
This way the electrolyte will make contact (better electrolysis) with a larger plate area and the fluid / gas will naturally rise toward the outlet by gravity and thermo-syphoning ?
Sadly you'd need to strip the cell and rearrange the plates (lower hole) perhaps alternating.
I believe this is illustrated on" hho-connection" on utube.
Hope it improves for ya !!
Very good installation thanks for your blessing knowledge.and shering whith us god bless you and your family.
Also your distance from the cell to the motor could cause an issue remembering at some stage the HHO and oxygen will mix back together to create steam and then water again as it cools. Another thing I noticed was the mix coming out of the drycell had a lot of water mixed with it. It's like you have produced a type of water pump where the the gravity feed from the reservoir to the cell is pushing the lighter warm water and gas back up into the reservoir. The lower the tank the less effect gravity will have. If you could put the bubbler inside the reservoir with an outlet at the bottom to push the water back into the reservoir while pushing the gas up and out to your engine. The reason is as I said in my last comment the large space in the top of the reservoir. And of course a lot of water going out of the cell needs to go back through the tank or you will be filling it every hour and your bubbler will keep overflowing.
Try upping the potassium hydroxide (KOH) electrolyte strength !
Also increase the resevoir height ?
Finally, where are you measuring the voltage / amps from? There would be voltage drop and losses with such a long distance from the battery to the cell ! Thats why many buses and trucks run 24 volts.
Most folks have the system under the hood so the distances are all short .
Btw,
Any damage to the long gas tubing inside your car would go unnoticed (odorless) and could pose an explosion risk ... sorry to be a bore .
Hope it helps :-)
Si
Thanks for the input. I understand the catalyst idea and agree. But based off what you say, how would one go about only using the waste amps and no more...? Also I feel like something to adjust the fuel air mixture through the o2 sensor input is necessary. I could be wrong, but wouldn't the sensor detect the extra o2 from the HHO and make the fuel mixture richer therefore using more gas? Or is it not signifigant enough to make a difference. In the video I lost mpg while running the hho generator
also try considering the posts of mr. tan k. the lower amps on your genset and higher production the better according to some friends here. am also an enthusiast and as of now just using spiral for proof that it is really working.Keep up the good work and more power!
use 6 n plates, use a Apexi AFC to tune, use 1awg or 0.5awg wire as your main wire to the cell, use 2 more wet filter and 2 dry filter to completely get rid of any vapor coming out with your HHO, use hard hoses and containers so you can port to your vacuum. happy tuning
Thanks for sharing.
Nice setup. What is the design look like inside of each plate?
Yeah I haven't messed with this cell for a long time, this jeep is now lifted with 35" tires and a whole bunch of goodies that don't save gas lol. Looking back, I wanted to run larger gauge wiring to the back because I believe I had 12 gauge which may not have been allowing for the amps I needed. Also, the pwm hurt my production, by eliminating it from the circuit I gained like 75% production. (Piece of ****, are pwms a gimick?) And I would like to try 3-4 neutrals and see what happens.
I had recently built a larger plate generator. Mine is 10 inch plates spaced 1/16 inch o rings. I have only 12 plates but found that i needed less neutral plates to increase the output. I was getting 25 mpg on a 4 cyl hundai and now am getting 30 mpg at only 15 amps using 10 gauge wire. Also using water with some battery electrolyte. I am increasing to 24 plates and am expecting 40% increase in mileage. Let me know how it goes..
what is the spacing between you plates, and what is the plates config ?
Keep it up, if people listened to the Naysayers of the world we'd all still be roaming the land without the belief that going in a cave would keep us dry
Add more koh atleast 5 teaspoon of koh in a liter of water and increase your voltage also add a small water pump to keep feeding water every 10 minutes on the plates
what about the power and performance of the car? would you make another video showing this?
Exelente proyecto anti contaminante
I've noticed that your gaskets are very thin. Keep them that way, but add like 3 more on each side where plates are connected to the plastic case to allow better/quicker water and hho flow.
the best way you can get more millage is that you need to increase amp's ,by installing ac power inverter of a car it may cost you 300$ and make sure that your plates are place right and use koh as electrolite
Me again !!
I watched your vid twice and paused it a few times to look at those plates.
When you say 5 neutral plates are you referring to 5 neutrals between each pos and neg plate; making 6 spaces ?
(6X2volts =12 volts)
Then the others stacked in series the same way?
Some say to have negative plates outermost near the gas dispersal point and that (just like sacrificial annodes) there should be twice as many negative plates as positive plates.
If the plates aren't assembled in the most effective sequence then electrolysis and gas production will be affected !
Look again at voltage drop cos youer meter might be giving inaccurate readings .
Don't loose hope. Focus on controlling output. It takes a little less then 2v to make the electrolysis process happen. My first desktop unit ran on 4 aa batteries.
Awsome setup man, u could make a killing on amazon if u made a bunch of these.seems like u need a lil more electrolyte in ur water.im currently using drano crystals . Basically its just sodium hydroxide in crystal form.
you need a huge amt of hydro for a 5l engine. i think you should consider a higher amp on your alternator unit and consider also the neutral plates in between. there maybe really a conspiracy theory on that matter why they dont consider devloping the hho gen. you're really gifted. that hho is really a treasure but always practice safety. it must be. God bless.
Ciao Mark,
I've seen that you've put your pwm at max value. with mine (the same ogo 30 amp) I never get max production at the max pot's value..there is a point where it stop to increase adsorbed amp and goes down..maybe that was the problem :) or maybe the hz frequency is not good for your cell..I will try on mine with and without the pwm and then get u back,good work mate
Set the plus directly on to the generators output, if you have not done that.
Hi, I know how much thickness of the rope and insulation between the plates I want to work cell on 24 flutes
Use 1mm "(316L) stainless steel" plates with 0.06" or 1.5mm thick gaskets. Do not use rubber for gaskets, it makes uneven spacing between plates. Best material for gaskets is the same material that is use for making circuit boards, a fiberglass like plastic. Also check out 'hhoconnection' & 'advancedhydrogen' channel, they both have great info on building hydro-cells. Doing 4 neutral plates instead of 5. And if you can afford to, platinum plate your steel plates, makes them supper resistant to corrosion and a better conductor. But you MUST Use "316L stainless steel" otherwise you won't get 2 LPM.
4" 21 plate cell +NNNN-NNNN+NNNN-NNNN+ will produce 2 LPM, built the way I describe above. Good Luck Bro!!
You're reading water. Too few neutrals fir a car voltage,,, no??
You made a really nice generator, and it's a shame that it is producing only 1/2 Lpm.
The first time when I assembled my 7 plate generator with +NNNNN- it didn't produce any gas at all (1 tea spoon of baking soda was used). I was really disappointed, but then decided to change its configuration to -NN+NN- and now it is producing one liter in 1 minute and 30 seconds. Unfortunately it becomes very hot after one hour (PWM is needed).
what kind of gas mileage was you getting before and after installing this at this point
It could be that your browns gas Reservoir is too large above your water tank so it has to fill that whole area up and build pressure in order to feed to your motor?
hi i was thinking to build one can you help with any of your research papers and informations
Maybe try a 1000w inverter with pwm and bridge rectifier to your cell . Ac may be better for your build.
Yeah gaskets should be at least 3mm thick. otherwise the water will not circulate and the current will reduce. the red deposits due to certain impurities in the distilled water will also hinder free flow of water. I have experienced this problem. I have added a filter in between bubbler and water inlet for cell, so my problem is solved. I am using tap water in place of the so called distilled water.
Bring your amps up to 50 - 60, by using, white vinegar or lye in the water. Then you may need to add and extra alternator and battery to produce the extra amps.
Need to connect your positive to the alternator to get the most amperage you can because of the size of your plates
Have you not tired the various water additives.
Dave Van Meter
He needs to add potassium hydroxide as a catalyst to boost up the bubbling and needs to change the plate design, spacing and order
Is all the plates connected to an energy source????👀
with my little experience , I think that you have little separation between cells , 1.4 minimum separation
What type of insulating material between the panels?
this setup produced 23-30% gain, no bull. use max 20-30% of the "excess" amp your alt produces consistantly,but does not use, more consumes gas to produce. defeating the purpose. as long as i attempted to produce max hho it never saved me a cent, and ppl that saved this way confirmed, dont seem to exsist. although many claim it. as soon as i used it as a catalyst ONLY to be run off the waste amps of the battery, i had gains immidiatly
What I noticed quickly from your setup is. I think your HHO output connection in to the reservoir is wrong you need to enter HHO in to reservoir from the top 2nd use Sodium or potassium hydroxide to increase your output. It lasts longer and requires less maintenance. Increase the mixture amount if your system did not reach to desired level HHO production.
you need more battery ah and electricity regeneration (upgraded alternator) to produce/reproduce more amps. 40 amps should set right the idle.
you need 5.1 devided by 2 =2.55 l.p.m to gain 20 to 50% mpg. I suggest 3 things.
one ..... .0625 gaskets
two...... coat the edge of your holes with Weldon 16
three.... on my 06 jeep I can only pull 30 amps...32 at best. so maby add lye to destilled water until you notice that amps will not go any higher....then if you run engine around 2000 rpm you will notice it go a little higher but still not up to 30....if this happens you may need a high output alternator. ..P.S. it dose work!!
You can also add a small Amount of Aceton to your Bubbler.
if you add more holes to the plate in theory it should help, let me know if it improved
Please watch... Tips for building an efficient dry cell
1/2 L/min? how many L do you need to run exclusively on the dry cell?
about 6 - 10 supposedly depending on the size of your vehicle you'd need a substantial generator
Saludos, al parecer el problema que tienes es que la celda esta calculada para ser alimentada con 58 v.c.d, te recomendaría que buscases un amigo que sepa de electrónica para que te haga una fuente PWM que te de este voltaje,también te recomiendo un arresta llamas,por protección.
nisan altima how it is going ?
You need to separate your inlet and outlet tubes if you want better production
you must to do tree diferents cells and separate each positive and negative whith thiny plates or to do separates plates positive and negatives separated by acrilic and you gona get more hho you could see the ad with nice music
so any news about your project
Get big buck/boost converter and fuse. Hope for the best.
you might want to loop your system, ... take off that T .. if you angle your dry cell it will act like a pump and start to circulate the water.. the bubbles go up with the gas, and forces the water down the other end ...
Can anyone tell me how to get around the computer without having to buy that 70.00 part I think it was online
On each plate, you must have a 2.6 volt max
Plates placed too closely together, you divided your water flow so you've made it harder for it to move between your plates, have water enter at one end and have exiting holes for gas and water at the other end, your just recirculating bubles and water in your vortex you've made. Give space for water and bubble flow between plates. You shouldn't need more than 10 amps to do this
Great ! 100% correct, and right approach......i had same problem....could you plz specify the gasket space or space in between each plates..
USE A WATER PUMP (SMALL) TO PUMP THE WATER IN THE SHELL TO GET BETTER PRODUCTION........
I have my own experience with many HHO kits installations including Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ 3.1 TD 2001y and 2010y Grand Cherokee WK Mercedes 3.0 CDI engine, Rolls Royce 6.7L ... and best fuel consumption was between 10.5 and 12V or less for diesel cars. I have a full video test drive with 42% fuel consumption. If somebody need help ask me for link.
Plz the link
Link???
Link?
We need the correct way to install the hho system and the hydrogen generation. Can you help me please give me a link
Holes in plates too large and alternate the plates end to end, then put inlet into one bottom corner and outlet to opposit top corner. I have just a 9 plate running like that, and it is producing 5 to 8lts per minute.
I'm thinking that you might not have enough electrolyte in the mix. Also, you should be using potassium hydroxide, not baking soda. it will last longer and produce more HHO. You really should route the tube into a vacuum line because the air filter tube slot doesn't suck the gas in... trust me. Any vacuum line will, which will require emission rated hose or fuel line hose (black heavy duty shit at the auto parts store). I went through the brake booster line on my Titan and man, does it ever SUCK! lol. Literally. Use the heavy duty line because the vacuum will collapse that clear shit like a pancake!
He has the hose plugged into the right spot. The problem is, DRY CELLS SUCK! I made a sealed wet cell out of PVC that dominated any dry cell and it was only 7 plates total running about 17amps. I gained 6-7 mpg on my Vw Jetta. No joke.
the more electrolytes, the more amperage your solution will draw, remember it is a catalyst
i have tried exactly what your doing with a large cell and to many neutrals and not enough, i have tried every variation of
lots of hho and not enough, many neutrals and not enough, to many amps and not enough, pwm or none, and using baking soda-lye-koh and koh at different purities, and having a O2 chip or not.
hi kermit, with all the test that you made on HHO , what did you find best better hho generator, plate configuration??
Also, I feel like the amount of gas needed to make a measurable impact on a 5.2L v8 is substantial, and despite my best hopes, I have yet to personally see a working implementation of this technology into a vehicle that really saved gas. I know there are tons of people who claim it, but theres also tons who say it doesn't work, and when it comes down to it, why wouldn't automotive manufacturers make use of hho cells to save 5 mpg, all conspiracy aside? There has to be a reason...
Hi, you're still using HHO, it has worked for you over the years in the long run.
I think you need more volts. Hho you need at least 1.7 volts to a plate, 12 is not enough
31 plates? that is 30 cells right what voltage will be across those cells if you're jeep is a 12 volt system also might be foam inside the generator that you cannot see, here
+Brian Whelan what foam?
Use a higher voltage and drive more current
But, what if we think water as a battery? H2 and O2 are free gases but nature using only pressure and temperature transformed in a battery. May be...
What makes it a dry cell?
All the sudden everyone is calling a normal hho a dry cell hho
well cell are basically metal plates surrounded by water.
Dry cells are metal plates with water just in between them
So wet cells are those scam videos you always see on facebook that look all cool cause you see the bubbles...
dry cells like this are the legit ones that actually work, and cost $$$
Hi, you have to many Neutrals and the Gap Distance is to little for Cooling Purposes. I have a 5.0 V8 and I feed it with max 15 Amps to protect my diode on the Alternator. 350 to 500 ml is plenty to get a better burn process since Hydrogen is atomized in front of the the Airfilter. Be careful with to much Hydrogen it could cause Embrittlement on Carbon Steel and Plastic. My Mileage came from 13 to 14 miles per Gallon to 16 to 17 miles a Gallon. I get per Watt about 5 ml to 5.5 ml Gas, not more.
try 3 instead of 5 n plates
How to make it legal in California?
Welcome to the set to a diesel engine hho 2 liters of tsut
Here is a Solution to solve your Problem : Add a Voltage Converter to your System.
12v to 24v Converter 1200W. Add a Circulation Pump. Change the Electrolyte. Use a Mixture of Potash and Soda-Ash (Potassium Carbonate & Sodium Carbonate) About 4 Tee-Spoons of each per Gallon.
where can i order the dry cell at
build it !!! it's easy
I think your drowning the cell =1/2 the water level.
But water is not a battery! Plus it takes energy to separate the bonds between H2 and O2. Certainly more energy is required to separate H2 and O2 than can get back.
How do you stop a back flash?
+Ciber X Gaming The bubbler should stop any back flash from entering the cell.
Ciber X Gaming get a one way air valve . Or flash resistor.
i got about the same thing as you ... less N cell the gap for the gasket but 1/16 look A1 your cell plate got a decent hole in them for the wather to flow true easy ? ... My Cell i run on 12 V 30 amps on Baking soda :/ will try KOH pretty soon if i get the same result ... and also make sure your plate are cleen might have a cover on them that might stop the electrical flow that hapend to me once. check my vidz you might see i few things i miss
Is it govt approve or not
It's installed wrong..Poorly..U have to put the hose at the bottom...On the water canister...And the top spout supposed to push hho...i see how u have it...its hooked up wrong
Redesignyour generator to have 2 hot plates and 2 to 3 grounds
because, the loss of energy from the alternator's drag on the engine FAR outweighs the minuscule return from burning the browns gas generated. ANYONE that has shown successful results is only because they have managed to fool the vehicles ECM into running the engine lean.. you're gains will not nearly recoup the cost of rebuilding the engine from a melted piston.. have fun.
Current leakage is one problem. I use Weld-On 16 around the holes in my plates. Your water level in the cell my also be to high or low. One thing to think about also is how big your cell is as well. It's much easier to build a 13 plate unit to control the water level and or flow. With a 13 plate unit I am producing one liter per minute for every 12 amps or less and the reator stays cool also. Check out my videos when you get a chance. "D"
u missing baking some soda or salt on the water so it produces more hydrogen
do not put too much of the koh, it will cause the corrosion for your engine.
10% are very high and dangerous to your car already.
Your running a big cell with so little voltage a cell that big need 72 volt for a the 10 lpm that’s your issue trust I know this for sure but to run the engine with 10 liters of hho gas you need a map sensor enhancer I built electrical part for car ecu so I know what am talking about and the enhancer should connect to the yellow wire to the map sensor to adjust the incoming signal
Why do not dry cell sellers show and describe the real area on hho gas products? The reason is very simple because 30% of the plates inside are dry without gas production. HHO gas production per liter without video proof is always fake :-(
i can tell you forsure that (FOR MPG PURPOSES) 5-6 amps is the max. hho is a catalyst, NOT a feul !!
no chip, dont bother, best tried was the volo chip, 15% gain on its own, 8-12% more with cel
99% pure koh doesnt work, 60% duda deisel potash worked best
4-5 neutrals, more makes nothing, less makes foam and burnt plates, approx 1.5 lpm
clean with apple cider viniger only thing that worked
Hi. Your mistake was when you put the hose on the bottom of the bubbler . Because of the weight of the water in the bubbler is making much pressure in the tank water because is a close loop(much static pressure = low circulate water) , and slow the entire process
to many neutral plates. try with 4 neutrals not 5.
Why should I look at Stan Meyer car? Did he make a car that produced and ran HHO on it's own? Ans: Hell No!
looks like a pinched hose