If the HHO is fed into the intake BEFORE the airflow meter; the flow meter is metering out fuel for a gas mixture that already contains fuel (H2). Feed your HHO into the system AFTER the airflow meter just for a start. There are other changed engine parameters that need to be tuned for too.
The map and maf sensors have to stay in a proper parameter. Instead of going through different resistors to find that one for your car just put on a large resistor with a potentiometer on it and adjust the potentiometer until it works the parameters your need. That's the solution.
@@shaneoneill2254 The map and maf sensors have to stay in a proper parameter. Instead of going through different resistors to find that one for your car just put on a large resistor with a potentiometer on it and adjust the potentiometer until it works the parameters of your need. That's the solution.
What you should of done was construct electrical leads on each corner. That way you would reduced the electrical resistance of corrosion resistance metal plates. This would increase efficiency and reduce the heat in the HHO generator Sir. Hope you keep that in mind when you build another unit of want to upgrade what you made by modifying just a few plates. Also, you need to tweak the car system electronics to take advantage of the OxyHydrogen gas. JOB well done DIYer. v
Voltage should be around 1.7 VDC per cell, target amperage should be .25 amps per square inch per cell. Use cross hatch pattern. HHO implodes during ignition. Water fog injection is needed to emulate slower burning fuel such as gasoline.
Incorrect! The reason the graphite cell was shedding was because he used way to many volts with the Urea electrolyte. It only needs 0.3v per neuteral cell! He could have had 18 cells with only 5.5V.
flash positive charged water over a negatively charged aluminum wire. when they meet, they should create 100% hho with aluminium oxide as a byproduct, which can be heated back into aluminium.
I spent 3 years doing all kinds of experiments with hho, I even used Peltier tablets to cool the water, the Idea to know the consumption and use the scanner to know the injection time.
Had received a few suggestions. Hope it helps 1. Use a powerful flashback arrestors- preferably 2 one near the hho kit after the bubbler and 2nd near the air in-take. 2. HHO input after the MAF(Mass air flow) sensor and not before. p.s. these are just some suggestion that - do it on your own risk
Tests should be conducted on vehicles with 5th generation GNV systems. As they already have more advanced equipment that allows changes in the systems and can better accept HHO. As an admirer of the HHO system here in Brazil, I am interested in learning more about its applications and benefits.
put a positive wire onto a tap with water, so that when the water drops out it carries a positive charge. then put your negative terminal onto some aluminium wire (like used for welding) when the positive water meets the negative aluminium, they should flash into 100% HHO, the byproduct will be aluminium oxide, which you can reuse again by smelting it back into aluminium.
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Eu também tenho muito interesse nesse sistema, desejo troca de informações. I am also very interested in this system, I want to exchange information.
I liked your experiment. I am planning to build one for my bike {350 cc carburetor bike}. I understand that graphite has a smaller lifespan to SS304. So I made my plates with 316L which is more anti- corrosion. I was thinking in the same lines as not to overload the alternator and considering a separate power supply. I intend to publish the results on my channel when I get to where you are presently. I was also thinking to install a wind and solar generator to charge the additional battery on my bike. One factor which I would like to consider is de-carbonization of the engine(while using HHO) over a time period which may result in better efficiency. Instead of HHO. What performance one can get of ICE if it pure hydrogen? This is my unanswered question so far. All said and done I respect you for the time and energy to make the video and sharing. Thank you. Bless you
for max efficiency try to get the voltage per cell down a lot. for example experiment with H2SO4 (battery acid ... yes ...) with this, the cell voltage goes down to about 1.3V per cell. also use verry thin plates since a thicker plate heats up more due to electrical resistance. now you'd think battery acid is too dangerous right? well, so is KoH, its just on the other side of the PH neutral.... also, you only need verry little of it, basically you set the max amps with the amount of acid. you can obviously use extra acid, but than you have to set max amps with the controller. also, like @rexford9019 said, limit amps to 0.25A per sqr inch. means larger plates ;) --> better efficiency
-O SISTEMA de hidrogenio é muito bom em baixas rotações ,em alta não consegue manter o fluxo ,então se voce não tiver pressa vai ter uma boa economia. parabens obrigado pelo video !!!
If you look at the short term fuel trim through the OBD 2 you should see a drop as the ECU changes the injector pulse width, this way you can keep the ECU in the system and avoid a lean burn condition which is not good at high RPM. Also to mitigate intake explosion by fitting a flap valve after the Throttle body to release excess pressure from the intake plenum. I had Lexus LS400 V8 on LPG / Oxygas. Good effort.
Great, very informative experience except that oxy hydrogen (HHO) is dangerously explosive if the detonation is too strong!!! it is better to complete the assembly with a separation system to obtain the hydrogen AND the oxygen each on their own
@@CoincidenceTheorist Try to scare people!!! No, but am I dreaming or what? I'm just informing these people of a scientific truth that everyone should know It's YOU who SHOULD normally warn them and you don't do it, you mislead them!!! and it’s serious! Try doing this experiment on a small scale to convince them: Don't forget that I am here because I choose to be
If you want to separate hydrogen and oxygen you can do it with a powerful magnet or electromagnetic as they are opposite magnetic polarity... That's what I came to say but the health and safety guru distracted my attention 🤣🤣👍
Me gustaría ver este sistema en español tipo Argentino.y hacerlo más despacio para poder entenderlo bien. Porque ya tiene bastante electrónica de esa forma podemos sacar un modelo para aplicar a nuestro auto algo entendí hacerlo pasar.por los inyectores estaría muy bueno estaría más protegido de fugas y explosiones alguno de ustedes buscando y buscando lo va a Acer funcionar yo he hecho varios proyectos pero me falta capacidad de electrónica mostravsn una placa que iba a un potenciometro le daba más corriente o menos sigan buscando todos que lo tenemos que sacar felicidades para todos
Este video nos anima a seguir haciendo lo que la mayoria de las empresas se niegan a reconocer. Felicitaciones por el video, seguramente seguiras desarrollamdo este sistema, y estaria bueno injectarlo directamente. Habra que reprogramar la computadora y agregar un compresor a diafragma para que sea capaz de generar 3,5 bares. Asi se puede usar el injector del auto y evitar explosiones.
That entire system would melt inside of 10-15 minutes. That thing is going to get so hot that it will explode. Plus, even if it were designed well, it would still be a huge net energy loss in a car.
Did you add an efie, ? Otherwise the ecu detects more o2 and starts to compensate adding more fuel. I disconnected the fuel system and add a SU carby, the ecu only controls the spark and timing. I run a very lean fuel mix and add 180 watts of hho at 15 amps giving me 10 liter per 100 on a 3 liter pajero that used to do 15 liters per 100ks.
Great build video. I am working on something very similar. Is there anyway for you to estimate how much gasoline was needed to replace the charge on the battery?
i can't compute it when it comes from the engine.. i don't have intentions to charge it from the alternator, instead it is solar or grid. it makes it cheaper that way
Legit test.....good job!! You need to put an extension piece between your oxygen sensor and the pipe. That way the oxygen sensor won't tell the computer to make the fuel mixture more rich. Heat i@the challenge on these HHO generators. Maybe try less electrolight.
do you plan to carry out the experiment with HHO?? If you have the possibility I suggest you also test the separator system and share your thoughts with us Thank you so much
планируете ли вы провести эксперимент с HHO?? Если у вас есть возможность, я предлагаю вам также протестировать систему сепаратора и поделиться с нами своими мыслями. Большое спасибо (Я не знаю, возможен ли автоматический перевод!!!)
🤫 Perforated metal sheet has a larger surface area, also if your gas can't get away from anode/cathode fast enough you're generation efficiency goes down as you're using less or the available surface area. The water heats up because stainless steel is very resistive, platinum is the perfect material to use but it's too damn expensive. Low voltage, high amps is apparently the way to go or high voltage low amps pulsed at quite low frequency to keep temperatures down. I wonder how well 240v at 50hz rectified would perform? With graphite plates the problem is that it's very sacrificial, no good as you seen, not for anode anyhow. We need to use an anode that can't be used for electroplating yet is very conductive and does not erode or corrode. If you think of a cost effective material that fits requirements please let me know 😊👍
take a look at the amps, if You put an additional batteries for HHO this could give You something. But in general You will have a hybrid car, petrol-electrical.
Bro, nice build, awesome. Your car adjusts fuel and air to idle at as set number rpm. It was going up with hho but was then adjusting fuel to lower speed to hit target. Same when you removed hho and it went down then back up to target. Is that what you mean by 'automatically adjusts idle rmp depending on environment'?
After just a few minutes, such a cell boils and the insulation that needs to be used is PTFE. another disadvantage is that stainless steel plates corrode and the electrolyte turns into green soup. For many years I have had contact with devices from OWELD, which produces such devices intended as gas welding machines. a better solution for a car is an oxygen cylinder with a volume of 5 liters and a tube leading to the air intake. The engine has a great kick. You have to be careful not to overheat the pistons.
Yeah the graphite experiment is quite interesting, I wondered why they're not connected too in such a small build.... I actually used a neutral plate every 3 stainless plates in my builds.
for a correct calculation of consumption you must also enter the parameters for the electricity you use, I don't think you have an 800W alternator in your car so the energy stored in your battery at the end of the test will be less. After all, the gas mixture you add is one of the most powerful fuels, so at the end of the your test in one case you only use petrol in the other one petrol add the detonating mixture H plus O. Having said this, I do not exclude the possibility that the system could provide greater returns.
I am literally scared of HHO, but this is a good video. I mean, hydrogen is explosive enough with air, less than 30 percent of oxygen. Even if you do not mix it perfectly.
Uh? Just add more water? Unless it is chemically altered in the process it is catalytic. I cant see anything harmful coming out, but maybe not pour it into a watercourse
as you state the pressure gets too high over 850. Although you have the setup for better containment already. that case for one! you just need to get some metal containers of somekind for the other parts that hold the electrolite?
Possibly an EFFI filter to basically lie to the ecu about the air/fuel mix, and definitely PWM you will improve fuel efficiency with EFFI ice vid old bean
Well I'm just saying what I had to do for the transit, had to put an EFFI filter attached through back of the obd port, trouble was that before I put that on I thought I was getting better fuel consumption, in a way I was but at cost of more fuel input but that ceases when you add EFFI plus van is quieter faster on the uptake
So ad a separate alternator? Room to make the amps. Where does this equals on price to drive. And what will happen to the battery. Still efficient. I will still say yes
The physicist in me cannot agree that another alternator is the answer. Many sensible suggestions about fooling the oxygen sensors on modern vehicles As a chemist I don't understand why the urea or sugar has any effect (I would try washing up liquid to reduce bubble size and surface tension. I strongly advise more plates and lower voltage with higher amps to avoid waste heat But good effort on the road test - after all that will convince others to have a go
the big problem of that design is HEAT and low conversion of liquid into gas. i suggest that you study or find the right resonance frequency of water; ;if you found it you can now easily separate the hydrogen and oxygen very fast with 12volt and 3amp power supply only without additives'..and your reactor metal mush be like in a catalytic converter. hope this will help to your experiment
except the the energy expended on the electrolysis exceeds the energy that can be harnesses from the HHO. So would would be better off just putting the battery in the car & running an electric motor assist. Oh wait, somebody already did that...... 🙄
You need work the correct amount of water. When the acid level is at its peak. No more gas is made. Dont ask way. I dont know. You need keep a clean but very small amount of water running in the tank. Hope it helps mick Australia 🇦🇺
I Just though of something really interesting! What if you installed that potentiometer on the gas pedal somehow so that when you press it down the voltage will increase so you can possably get even better milge so the Oxyhydrogen is more abundant when accelorating? would be even better if there was some sort of storage tank and pressure gauge with some regulators etc. is this something that could make tis even better? or too much?
hydrogen production by increasing voltage (not preferred) but current is. the impact of increasing current takes a few seconds to produce more Hydrogen, may not align with throttle response, just thinking not done it yet to tell you for sue
the current is controlled by how much electrolyte you put into the mix, more electrolyte = more current. as the solution warms up it becomes more conductive and can run away on you. one way to help controlling heat is by useing six cells in series just like a car battery.
Jika 3 liter per menit dan pakai susunan plat paling efisien yaitu -nnnnn+nnnnn- di jarak antar play 0,5-0,8 milimeter itu pun perlu setidaknya 600 watt sebab di kondisi paling efisien pun cuma 0,1 liter per menit gas HHO tiap 20 watt. Jika 3 liter per menit accu dan alternator tidak akan cukup untuk memberi supply daya. Kalau andaikata kurang efisien perlu 850 watt maka hasil gas dengan susunan plat seperti di video mustahil 3 liter per menit, separuh sudah bagus sekali. Perlu accu yg di charge. Maka bukan mobil ternaga bensin saja tetapi, mobil tenaga bensin + accu. Pengujian jangka pendek bagus cuma apa menguntungkan jika dipakai jangka panjang?
@@albertnario4877thanks for your honesty! Since you are putting some additional load ( via the alternator) on your engine in order to produce the HHO on board, even neutral power or/and fuel economy “gain” means , that HHO is helping at least a little bit with improvement of combustion .
interesante demostración empírica, habrá una forma de aprovechar solo el hidrogeno? es decir tocar solo el gas que sale de los cátodos? Saludos desde Chile interesting empirical demonstration, will there be a way to use only hydrogen? That is, touch only the gas that comes out of the cathodes? Greetings from Chile
The battery for the HHO is separated from the engine.. it has its own energy provider.. it is cheaper to charge the battery than to use fuel.. sorry for the poor explanation on that.
Your plate sanding wasn't done right , that is done in a cross stich pattern by sanding diag top corner to bottom corner of the plate then do again corner top accross to bottom corner like an X pattern getting everything fully sanded both sides it makes a huge differance. Also port it in were the vacum on the brake master clinder connects faster delivery . Good Job well done
You are skilled man. 850W is too much for alternator, not just for the HHO generator. Try with much less watts, 50 to 300, just need a time to see is there some results (minimum 150km, up to 2000km).
All this is cool, but in real world terms: how much percent fuel ecomony gain can I expect? What are theveffects on Hp and torque and...ENGINE LIFE?And is there anyone making a really SAFE And Honestly EFFECTIVE HHO Generator Kit?
I wonder if your car computer was able to compensate for the leaner exhaust by increasing the fuel being injected. That may be why you didn't see much improvement using the lower hho flow rate. The higher flow rate may have been too much for the computer to compensate for. Fooling the O2 sensor may result in better economy with hho.
maybe it's better to use it on an older engine. on my first video about HHO, 1.2L/min oxyhydrogen can increase rpm by 200 in the carburetor type engine..
@@albertnario4877on the older carbureted engine most probably there is no idle RPM stabilisation/ regulation system that is why idle RPM increase .Since HHO must increase the rate of burning of the mixture, it’s equivalent ( as a result) of increasing the ignition timing advance angle ( the idle RPM are stabilised by varying the timing advance angle in most of the modern EFI engines ) . The fact that the idle RPM increases with 200RPM , means that HHO is doing something positive for the combustion process. The energy balance ( energy spent on its production / increasing energy efficiency production from the engine ) is another story .
Muy bien, pero te sale cobinado el Hidrogeno con el Oxigeno, con lo cual es altamente explosivo, y además no se puede utilizar para generar corriente devolver agua y un resto de Oxigeno lanzarlo a la atmosfera. Querido esto está mas que atrasado 100 años.
If the HHO is fed into the intake BEFORE the airflow meter; the flow meter is metering out fuel for a gas mixture that already contains fuel (H2).
Feed your HHO into the system AFTER the airflow meter just for a start. There are other changed engine parameters that need to be tuned for too.
Correct.....same with oxygen sensors. Put spacers/extension between exhaust pipe and ox sensor.
Why
What kind of spacers. For length
The map and maf sensors have to stay in a proper parameter. Instead of going through different resistors to find that one for your car just put on a large resistor with a potentiometer on it and adjust the potentiometer until it works the parameters your need. That's the solution.
@@shaneoneill2254
The map and maf sensors have to stay in a proper parameter. Instead of going through different resistors to find that one for your car just put on a large resistor with a potentiometer on it and adjust the potentiometer until it works the parameters of your need. That's the solution.
What you should of done was construct electrical leads on each corner. That way you would reduced the electrical resistance of corrosion resistance metal plates. This would increase efficiency and reduce the heat in the HHO generator Sir. Hope you keep that in mind when you build another unit of want to upgrade what you made by modifying just a few plates.
Also, you need to tweak the car system electronics to take advantage of the OxyHydrogen gas.
JOB well done DIYer. v
thanks, i do that..
@@albertnario4877 HOPE this helps you with your DIY experiment Sir. Peace and out v
Voltage should be around 1.7 VDC per cell, target amperage should be .25 amps per square inch per cell. Use cross hatch pattern. HHO implodes during ignition. Water fog injection is needed to emulate slower burning fuel such as gasoline.
2Н2О >>>2 Н2 +О2 !!!!!!! 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅ННО 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
2H2O =HHO + HHO
Incorrect! The reason the graphite cell was shedding was because he used way to many volts with the Urea electrolyte. It only needs 0.3v per neuteral cell! He could have had 18 cells with only 5.5V.
Agree 👍
A trick to slow the burn rate of HHO is by bubbling it through any hydrocarbon fuel, where it picks up a few atoms and slows down the burn!
flash positive charged water over a negatively charged aluminum wire. when they meet, they should create 100% hho with aluminium oxide as a byproduct, which can be heated back into aluminium.
I spent 3 years doing all kinds of experiments with hho, I even used Peltier tablets to cool the water, the Idea to know the consumption and use the scanner to know the injection time.
i think u should step down dc fuel pump and injector from 12v to 8-9v.
My opinion.give me your update..
Diesel is the solution. Gas engines are so badly designed. Older diesel, just pump it in the air intake.
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Had received a few suggestions. Hope it helps
1. Use a powerful flashback arrestors- preferably 2 one near the hho kit after the bubbler and 2nd near the air in-take.
2. HHO input after the MAF(Mass air flow) sensor and not before.
p.s. these are just some suggestion that - do it on your own risk
yes, thanks 👍
Tests should be conducted on vehicles with 5th generation GNV systems. As they already have more advanced equipment that allows changes in the systems and can better accept HHO. As an admirer of the HHO system here in Brazil, I am interested in learning more about its applications and benefits.
put a positive wire onto a tap with water, so that when the water drops out it carries a positive charge. then put your negative terminal onto some aluminium wire (like used for welding) when the positive water meets the negative aluminium, they should flash into 100% HHO, the byproduct will be aluminium oxide, which you can reuse again by smelting it back into aluminium.
Eu também tenho muito interesse nesse sistema, desejo troca de informações.
I am also very interested in this system, I want to exchange information.
amazing tips
I liked your experiment. I am planning to build one for my bike {350 cc carburetor bike}. I understand that graphite has a smaller lifespan to SS304. So I made my plates with 316L which is more anti- corrosion. I was thinking in the same lines as not to overload the alternator and considering a separate power supply. I intend to publish the results on my channel when I get to where you are presently. I was also thinking to install a wind and solar generator to charge the additional battery on my bike. One factor which I would like to consider is de-carbonization of the engine(while using HHO) over a time period which may result in better efficiency. Instead of HHO. What performance one can get of ICE if it pure hydrogen? This is my unanswered question so far. All said and done I respect you for the time and energy to make the video and sharing. Thank you. Bless you
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for max efficiency try to get the voltage per cell down a lot.
for example experiment with H2SO4 (battery acid ... yes ...)
with this, the cell voltage goes down to about 1.3V per cell.
also use verry thin plates since a thicker plate heats up more due to electrical resistance.
now you'd think battery acid is too dangerous right? well, so is KoH, its just on the other side of the PH neutral....
also, you only need verry little of it, basically you set the max amps with the amount of acid.
you can obviously use extra acid, but than you have to set max amps with the controller.
also, like @rexford9019 said, limit amps to 0.25A per sqr inch.
means larger plates ;) --> better efficiency
-O SISTEMA de hidrogenio é muito bom em baixas rotações ,em alta não consegue manter o fluxo ,então se voce não tiver pressa vai ter uma boa economia. parabens obrigado pelo video !!!
If you look at the short term fuel trim through the OBD 2 you should see a drop as the ECU changes the injector pulse width, this way you can keep the ECU in the system and avoid a lean burn condition which is not good at high RPM. Also to mitigate intake explosion by fitting a flap valve after the Throttle body to release excess pressure from the intake plenum. I had Lexus LS400 V8 on LPG / Oxygas. Good effort.
Can you tell me more about your lexus LP setup? I want to do the same to my vq25 engine.
Great, very informative experience except that oxy hydrogen (HHO) is dangerously explosive if the detonation is too strong!!!
it is better to complete the assembly with a separation system to obtain the hydrogen AND the oxygen each on their own
yes it's very explosive ,bubbler tank is very important.. oxyhydrogen is already good in the engine ..
Stop trying to scare people. Why are you here? Hmmm
@@CoincidenceTheorist Try to scare people!!! No, but am I dreaming or what? I'm just informing these people of a scientific truth that everyone should know
It's YOU who SHOULD normally warn them and you don't do it, you mislead them!!! and it’s serious!
Try doing this experiment on a small scale to convince them:
Don't forget that I am here because I choose to be
There's always one health and safety bot hiding, waiting for their opportunity to chat poo 🤣🤣
If you want to separate hydrogen and oxygen you can do it with a powerful magnet or electromagnetic as they are opposite magnetic polarity... That's what I came to say but the health and safety guru distracted my attention 🤣🤣👍
Very ingenious, your on your way to something positive.
Hello from Colorado. Excellent work!
thanks sir
Me gustaría ver este sistema en español tipo Argentino.y hacerlo más despacio para poder entenderlo bien. Porque ya tiene bastante electrónica de esa forma podemos sacar un modelo para aplicar a nuestro auto algo entendí hacerlo pasar.por los inyectores estaría muy bueno estaría más protegido de fugas y explosiones alguno de ustedes buscando y buscando lo va a Acer funcionar yo he hecho varios proyectos pero me falta capacidad de electrónica mostravsn una placa que iba a un potenciometro le daba más corriente o menos sigan buscando todos que lo tenemos que sacar felicidades para todos
Este video nos anima a seguir haciendo lo que la mayoria de las empresas se niegan a reconocer. Felicitaciones por el video, seguramente seguiras desarrollamdo este sistema, y estaria bueno injectarlo directamente. Habra que reprogramar la computadora y agregar un compresor a diafragma para que sea capaz de generar 3,5 bares. Asi se puede usar el injector del auto y evitar explosiones.
That entire system would melt inside of 10-15 minutes. That thing is going to get so hot that it will explode. Plus, even if it were designed well, it would still be a huge net energy loss in a car.
Put a big resistor With a potentiometer On it On your map and maf sensors and you'll get them in the proper parameters.
Did you add an efie, ? Otherwise the ecu detects more o2 and starts to compensate adding more fuel. I disconnected the fuel system and add a SU carby, the ecu only controls the spark and timing. I run a very lean fuel mix and add 180 watts of hho at 15 amps giving me 10 liter per 100 on a 3 liter pajero that used to do 15 liters per 100ks.
what is a SU carby?
This is all Swedish to me.
can u explain what you mean when you say u disconnected the fuel system and added a SU carby
Great build video. I am working on something very similar. Is there anyway for you to estimate how much gasoline was needed to replace the charge on the battery?
i can't compute it when it comes from the engine.. i don't have intentions to charge it from the alternator, instead it is solar or grid. it makes it cheaper that way
My gosh you are very clever. Thanks for the video.
Legit test.....good job!!
You need to put an extension piece between your oxygen sensor and the pipe. That way the oxygen sensor won't tell the computer to make the fuel mixture more rich.
Heat i@the challenge on these HHO generators. Maybe try less electrolight.
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do you plan to carry out the experiment with HHO??
If you have the possibility I suggest you also test the separator system and share your thoughts with us
Thank you so much
планируете ли вы провести эксперимент с HHO??
Если у вас есть возможность, я предлагаю вам также протестировать систему сепаратора и поделиться с нами своими мыслями.
Большое спасибо
(Я не знаю, возможен ли автоматический перевод!!!)
Я сейчас очень далеко от дома по работе, по приезду домой хочу поэксперементировать@@slimel-gharbi8170
🤫 Perforated metal sheet has a larger surface area, also if your gas can't get away from anode/cathode fast enough you're generation efficiency goes down as you're using less or the available surface area.
The water heats up because stainless steel is very resistive, platinum is the perfect material to use but it's too damn expensive.
Low voltage, high amps is apparently the way to go or high voltage low amps pulsed at quite low frequency to keep temperatures down. I wonder how well 240v at 50hz rectified would perform?
With graphite plates the problem is that it's very sacrificial, no good as you seen, not for anode anyhow. We need to use an anode that can't be used for electroplating yet is very conductive and does not erode or corrode. If you think of a cost effective material that fits requirements please let me know 😊👍
Looks wonderful - Canada
10% is good. Nice info on the W too. Heat is the issue. Maybe move plates apart a bit, or flow or cool water somehow?
2.6 volts is more efficient you need to add neutral plates to divide into cells to get to 2.6v from 12v.
Finely one really word test ride
Good work continue like that
take a look at the amps, if You put an additional batteries for HHO this could give You something. But in general You will have a hybrid car, petrol-electrical.
I worked with this a few years back but the nay-sayers got to me. Keep up the work. How is the fuel economy now?
Have you try using 4x LiFePo4 battery to replace accu in gasoline car. It saves fuel more than 10% and no maintenance needed.
Bro, nice build, awesome. Your car adjusts fuel and air to idle at as set number rpm. It was going up with hho but was then adjusting fuel to lower speed to hit target. Same when you removed hho and it went down then back up to target. Is that what you mean by 'automatically adjusts idle rmp depending on environment'?
Instead of running your hose to the airbox, hook it to a "T"on the vacuum line going to your brake booster.
Did you have any problems with your electrolysis cell getting hot? It appears to be a lot of current for the volume of the cell
it's getting hot without the PWM.
After just a few minutes, such a cell boils and the insulation that needs to be used is PTFE. another disadvantage is that stainless steel plates corrode and the electrolyte turns into green soup. For many years I have had contact with devices from OWELD, which produces such devices intended as gas welding machines. a better solution for a car is an oxygen cylinder with a volume of 5 liters and a tube leading to the air intake. The engine has a great kick. You have to be careful not to overheat the pistons.
Tal vez no era para más potencia pero si para más peso eso k le puse en un auto iría haciendo maravillas x la carretera
Nice job
what are the middle layers og graphite doing if there not connected?
Yeah the graphite experiment is quite interesting, I wondered why they're not connected too in such a small build.... I actually used a neutral plate every 3 stainless plates in my builds.
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for a correct calculation of consumption you must also enter the parameters for the electricity you use, I don't think you have an 800W alternator in your car so the energy stored in your battery at the end of the test will be less. After all, the gas mixture you add is one of the most powerful fuels, so at the end of the your test in one case you only use petrol in the other one petrol add the detonating mixture H plus O. Having said this, I do not exclude the possibility that the system could provide greater returns.
*_To make a real difference you need at least 200 to 300 amps! I do like your 4 plate BI-POLAR CELL However!!! That's smart!!!!!!!!!!!!_*
DOES sanding using an orbital pattern increase the surface area Sir ?? What about the sandpapers grit size ?? Thank you for your time. Peace v
200, 100 grit
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And good work keep it up.
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Try using calcium carbonate / tooth brushing powder . It doesnt corrode .
can you test it on diesel engine thanks nice content
I am literally scared of HHO, but this is a good video. I mean, hydrogen is explosive enough with air, less than 30 percent of oxygen. Even if you do not mix it perfectly.
Feeding it directly into an engine is not hazardous .
Urea and potassium hydroxide? So how do you dispose of the chemical mix that remains after electrolysis to exhaustion of the hydrogen?
Uh? Just add more water? Unless it is chemically altered in the process it is catalytic. I cant see anything harmful coming out, but maybe not pour it into a watercourse
What is the change in chemical out put from KOH to KOH with urea? Will we get anything different than just H2 O2?
Who was watching the angle grinder disc slowly get worn away?... 😂
I didn't understand. Does your car do 20.5 km/l without hho?
A lean diesel will work well .
You know there's a nasty chemical left over when the stainless breaks down what you using in the water
as you state the pressure gets too high over 850. Although you have the setup for better containment already. that case for one! you just need to get some metal containers of somekind for the other parts that hold the electrolite?
then youill t need to worry about going up in flames!
make a manifold to separate the H from the O - 2 separate tubes. Brown's gas is too explosive.
the 2 plates in the middle are not even touching anything. It doesn't work without those extra powder ingridients?
they call it neutral plates... it can make HHO generators more efficient.
adding Koh in water makes it more conductive.
Las dos placas de grafito del centro que función cumplen?las veo aisladas de las de los lados y sólo trabajan las de afuera.
es correcto. estan aisladas. funcionan como divisores de tension..
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Sir plate ka size or thickness please
Possibly an EFFI filter to basically lie to the ecu about the air/fuel mix, and definitely PWM you will improve fuel efficiency with EFFI ice vid old bean
How can the ecu detect thought o2 sensor the additional oxygen, when the reaction of hydrogen and oxygen form water?
Well I'm just saying what I had to do for the transit, had to put an EFFI filter attached through back of the obd port, trouble was that before I put that on I thought I was getting better fuel consumption, in a way I was but at cost of more fuel input but that ceases when you add EFFI plus van is quieter faster on the uptake
So ad a separate alternator? Room to make the amps.
Where does this equals on price to drive. And what will happen to the battery. Still efficient. I will still say yes
The physicist in me cannot agree that another alternator is the answer.
Many sensible suggestions about fooling the oxygen sensors on modern vehicles
As a chemist I don't understand why the urea or sugar has any effect (I would try washing up liquid to reduce bubble size and surface tension. I strongly advise more plates and lower voltage with higher amps to avoid waste heat
But good effort on the road test - after all that will convince others to have a go
the big problem of that design is HEAT and low conversion of liquid into gas.
i suggest that you study or find the right resonance frequency of water; ;if you found it
you can now easily separate the hydrogen and oxygen very fast with 12volt and 3amp power supply only without additives'..and your reactor metal mush be like in a catalytic converter. hope this will help to your experiment
except the the energy expended on the electrolysis exceeds the energy that can be harnesses from the HHO. So would would be better off just putting the battery in the car & running an electric motor assist. Oh wait, somebody already did that...... 🙄
Lol. This is just too funny.
You need work the correct amount of water.
When the acid level is at its peak. No more gas is made. Dont ask way. I dont know.
You need keep a clean but very small amount of water running in the tank. Hope it helps mick Australia 🇦🇺
I want one, let me know how much.
I Just though of something really interesting!
What if you installed that potentiometer on the gas pedal somehow so that when you press it down the voltage will increase so you can possably get even better milge so the Oxyhydrogen is more abundant when accelorating? would be even better if there was some sort of storage tank and pressure gauge with some regulators etc. is this something that could make tis even better? or too much?
hydrogen production by increasing voltage (not preferred) but current is. the impact of increasing current takes a few seconds to produce more Hydrogen, may not align with throttle response, just thinking not done it yet to tell you for sue
@@sridharboyana9250 sure, Sue here Kev won't go electric because of Lithium Battery fires but is happy to drive around with 100 litres of gasoline
Despite your efforts I doubt that your reduction in petrol consumption is greater than the cost of the energy input for the HHO
Before or after taxation? He has already suggested ways and means of producing the H2 that do not use the alternator...or was that a different video?
No only hydrogen generator, but oxygen too...
How do you control volts and Amps onto this HHO system??? 👍
the current is controlled by how much electrolyte you put into the mix, more electrolyte = more current.
as the solution warms up it becomes more conductive and can run away on you.
one way to help controlling heat is by useing six cells in series just like a car battery.
What is this material? And how can we use this hydrogen to start a motorcycle?
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@@SKAD_69 What??????
You can’t you would need another engine it can’t run on his car either he’s fooling people
Very dangerous .
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How much electricity is required from battery to generate hydrogen from this generator?
Your alternator will probably make more than enough to keep up.
Jika 3 liter per menit dan pakai susunan plat paling efisien yaitu -nnnnn+nnnnn- di jarak antar play 0,5-0,8 milimeter itu pun perlu setidaknya 600 watt sebab di kondisi paling efisien pun cuma 0,1 liter per menit gas HHO tiap 20 watt. Jika 3 liter per menit accu dan alternator tidak akan cukup untuk memberi supply daya. Kalau andaikata kurang efisien perlu 850 watt maka hasil gas dengan susunan plat seperti di video mustahil 3 liter per menit, separuh sudah bagus sekali. Perlu accu yg di charge. Maka bukan mobil ternaga bensin saja tetapi, mobil tenaga bensin + accu. Pengujian jangka pendek bagus cuma apa menguntungkan jika dipakai jangka panjang?
Do you use a different battery for this HHO ?
yes..
Did you notice any power gains from HHO?
i didn't notice any improvement on the engine power, maybe on carb type engine, you may notice the difference..
@@albertnario4877thanks for your honesty! Since you are putting some additional load ( via the alternator) on your engine in order to produce the HHO on board, even neutral power or/and fuel economy “gain” means , that HHO is helping at least a little bit with improvement of combustion .
@@flappingflight8537 no, I don't use alternator to provide power on HHO, I use different battery for it.
interesante demostración empírica, habrá una forma de aprovechar solo el hidrogeno? es decir tocar solo el gas que sale de los cátodos?
Saludos desde Chile
interesting empirical demonstration, will there be a way to use only hydrogen? That is, touch only the gas that comes out of the cathodes?
Greetings from Chile
The 304 stainless steel wil after a short stop to creator gas . The water turn in to red. Whe have stopp whit our projects in car
I´m from Brasil. Make a video with a diesel pickup.
I don't have a diesel car..
@@albertnario4877 would it be possible to use H2 +O2 , in diesel motors whithout causing overloads ?
they say it will work..
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Be very careful browns gas explodes easily. Do you have a flashback arrestor?
Realiza las pruebas en un lugar más silencioso, parece que tuvieses un aeropuerto al lado.
Deseo q nos traduzca este súper video
En dónde encontramos la tarjeta y resto de cosas??
So the energy to split water into HHO comes from the alternator which typically runs at
The battery for the HHO is separated from the engine.. it has its own energy provider.. it is cheaper to charge the battery than to use fuel.. sorry for the poor explanation on that.
It take electricity to make the hydrogen! And if you are burning in your car take 2 times much and 1/2 the power!
Hydrogen improve octane rating
Center plates are useless
you can call it neutral plates, it's important to have it to maximize HHO generator efficiency.
Yea bro wtf, everyone knows restriction = better performance? 🙄
That's not true at all.
Your plate sanding wasn't done right , that is done in a cross stich pattern by sanding diag top corner to bottom corner of the plate then do again corner top accross to bottom corner like an X pattern getting everything fully sanded both sides it makes a huge differance. Also port it in were the vacum on the brake master clinder connects faster delivery . Good Job well done
You need to retard the ignition timing, for the benefits of HHO to be properly realised.
Adding hydrogen is only going to improve fuel economy on an engine that badly mistuned.
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@@albertnario4877 ok thanks
You are skilled man. 850W is too much for alternator, not just for the HHO generator. Try with much less watts, 50 to 300, just need a time to see is there some results (minimum 150km, up to 2000km).
hho generator has its own battery, it doesn't take from the engine...
@@albertnario4877 ok
All this is cool, but in real world terms: how much percent fuel ecomony gain can I expect? What are theveffects on Hp and torque and...ENGINE LIFE?And is there anyone making a really SAFE And Honestly EFFECTIVE HHO Generator Kit?
the inbetween layer are useless because it don't have any connection 😂
I wonder if your car computer was able to compensate for the leaner exhaust by increasing the fuel being injected.
That may be why you didn't see much improvement using the lower hho flow rate.
The higher flow rate may have been too much for the computer to compensate for.
Fooling the O2 sensor may result in better economy with hho.
why would be mixture become lean? The additional oxygen from HHO form water when burned
maybe it's better to use it on an older engine.
on my first video about HHO, 1.2L/min oxyhydrogen can increase rpm by 200 in the carburetor type engine..
@@albertnario4877on the older carbureted engine most probably there is no idle RPM stabilisation/ regulation system that is why idle RPM increase .Since HHO must increase the rate of burning of the mixture, it’s equivalent ( as a result) of increasing the ignition timing advance angle ( the idle RPM are stabilised by varying the timing advance angle in most of the modern EFI engines ) . The fact that the idle RPM increases with 200RPM , means that HHO is doing something positive for the combustion process. The energy balance ( energy spent on its production / increasing energy efficiency production from the engine ) is another story .
Use it to make a steam engine you will get millions of views.
Nós deficientes precisamos explicações faladas e não só visuais gostaria que fosse explicado através de fala
Muy bien, pero te sale cobinado el Hidrogeno con el Oxigeno, con lo cual es altamente explosivo, y además no se puede utilizar para generar corriente devolver agua y un resto de Oxigeno lanzarlo a la atmosfera. Querido esto está mas que atrasado 100 años.
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Que es carbono hierro fundido
The problem is more Oxigen (from this cell) then oxigen sensor send more fuel. Please remove Oxigen from HHO. Make only a HH cell.
Doesn't the extra oxygen from HHO becomes water with hydrogen when burn inside the engine?
The extra oxygen enhances combustion……
More complete combustion does not put more oxygen into the exhaust emissions